We Might NEVER Know If Heaven Exists...

Adequate

Do you know what the sad realisation is? The fact that there is a very real chance that we will NEVER know whether heaven exists or not. There are millions upon millions of people who are clinging onto the hope of an afterlife once we pass away. Also, we would just like to know one way or another whether heaven exists.

However, there is a very real chance that we will simply never know. Of course if heaven exists, one would hope that we would be aware, and I'm sure that it would be an incredible experience. HOWEVER, if heaven doesn't exist, and once our heart stops beating and we inhale our last breath, then we just go blank...we will never know! When you close your eyes for the last time, all consciousness will be lost and we will never know about it.

Of course, I have no idea and hope that we will know if heaven exists or not, but there is a real chance that we will simply never know.

starbelgrade

Heaven is a place on earth.

Belinda Carlisle said it, so it must be true.

storm2811

Have you just set out to make depressing threads tonight OP?
Have a drink and cheer up.;)

Agent Smith

starbelgrade wrote: »

Heaven is a place on earth.

Belinda Carlisle said it, so it must be true.

Do you know what thats worth?

robbie_998

wanna prove it ?

Mark200

Yeah we'll never know if flying unicorns exist either

Redlion

Not knowing is what keeps life interesting, in my honest opinion. If i knew that heaven was waiting for me, life would seem meaningless.

icywind1980

I personally don't care if there is or isn't. It just doesn't play that much of a role on my life.

Also, might want to discuss this topic here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=526

alwaysadub

How will i ever sleep tonight now after reading that. :rolleyes:

Jeboa Safari

I think its best not knowing

rossie1977

Adequate wrote: »

There are millions upon millions of people who are clinging onto the hope of an afterlife once we pass away.

really?? why??

starbelgrade

Agent Smith wrote: »

Do you know what thats worth?

Yes. 47p.

GLaDOS

There's no reason for me to think heaven does exist, so I assume it doesn't anyway.

xflyer

I believe when you die, it's over. Blank. Realised that when I was put under general anaesthetic. One second, awake, the next awake hours later in pain. Death to me is the same without the wakeup. Thus no heaven no hell, no nothing.

Recently I spoke to an actor who tried to kill himself. His family saved him. His now realisation is that suicide victims actually believe they will be around to see the results of their actions. In fact they are snuffed out. There is no heaven, no hell. I wish it were otherwise.

Enjoy your life, you only get one chance at it.

scudzilla

Fcuk me, there's posters on here with over 5,000 posts who have never started a thread this deep, you've done it after 12 posts, can't wait to see the next thread ya start

friendface

You are certainly in a philosophical mood tonight OP, thinking about our place in the universe and heaven etc. It's strange because I just had a long similar discussion with a housemate lastnight. I remember a few years ago when I was starting college I started to think about this sort of stuff, religion, the universe and the meaning of everything - my personal period of enlightenment

Yeah, I just came to the conclusion that we will probably never have answers to many of these questions no matter how long we pursue the solutions and how far we advance scientifically. I suppose it's one of lifes mysteries that makes everything more interesting.

Superbus

Sure if there is then wonderful, if there isn't then it hardly matters, you're gone anyway, without any regrets.

FearDark

When we die we go into a hole in the ground and get eaten my a million maggots. If you believe there is a heaven and indeed a hell you need your brain checked.

starbelgrade

The belief that there is an afterlife - that when human bodies die, that our souls are transported to some mystical place, where they live for eternity - is one of the vainest, narcassistic inventions we have ever come up with.

starbelgrade

scudzilla wrote: »

Fcuk me, there's posters on here with over 5,000 posts who have never started a thread this deep, you've done it after 12 posts, can't wait to see the next thread ya start

Next thread title; "Do farts smell bad in the afterlife?"

Redlion

FearDark wrote: »

When we die we go into a hole in the ground and get eaten my a million maggots. If you believe there is a heaven and indeed a hell you need your brain checked.

What a stupid thing to say, there's nothing wrong with someone who believes in the Christian faith. Show some respect for those that do.

Tar.Aldarion

heaven lol

MultiUmm

scudzilla wrote: »

Fcuk me, there's posters on here with over 5,000 posts who have never started a thread this deep, you've done it after 12 posts, can't wait to see the next thread ya start

Deep? The OP is starting to sound like boards.ie's very own Richard Dawkins.

(it's not really a great thing... )

starbelgrade

Redlion wrote: »

What a stupid thing to say, there's nothing wrong with someone who believes in the Christian faith. Show some respect for those that do.

That's debatable.

MultiUmm

FearDark wrote: »

When we die we go into a hole in the ground and get eaten my a million maggots. If you believe there is a heaven and indeed a hell you need your brain checked.

Thank god fúck for cremation.

rossie1977

Redlion wrote: »

What a stupid thing to say, there's nothing wrong with someone who believes in the Christian faith. Show some respect for those that do.

tell us, what is your view of heaven then

is it the classic greek influenced clouds/gates etc or something different

Dave!

You going through an existential crisis at the moment OP?

I'll save you the trouble of thinking about it over the next few months: there's no afterlife or god, religion is all man-made stories, and this is the only life you'll ever have.

Start enjoying it!

F1ngers

icywind1980 wrote: »

I personally don't care if there is or isn't. It just doesn't play that much of a role on my life.

Also, might want to discuss this topic here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=526

Personally, I was thinking here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

Jeboa Safari

starbelgrade wrote: »

That's debatable.

So long as people aren't trying to force their religious beliefs on other people, then whats the problem?

Superbus

It may well be a narcissistic relic from an outdated Christian mindset, but the idea of heaven is so comforting after a bereavement, at least in my experiences. The thought that they're just gone, as if they'd never been around, is a deeply depressing one, in my opinion.

Redlion

rossie1977 wrote: »

tell us, what is your view of heaven then

is it the classic greek influenced clouds/gates etc or something different

It doesn't matter what my view of heaven is, as it's besides the point i'm making. I don't believe that someone should be able to show disrespect to another person's religion in the way FearDark has. I'm not Islamic or Buddhist etc.. but i'd never insult what they believe their afterlife to be like.

icywind1980

F1ngers wrote: »

Personally, I was thinking here: http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

I concur :cool:

scientific1982

Eternity worshipping some tyrannical space god. Sounds like hell to me.

take everything

Adequate wrote: »

Do you know what the sad realisation is? The fact that there is a very real chance that we will NEVER know whether heaven exists or not. There are millions upon millions of people who are clinging onto the hope of an afterlife once we pass away. Also, we would just like to know one way or another whether heaven exists.

However, there is a very real chance that we will simply never know. Of course if heaven exists, one would hope that we would be aware, and I'm sure that it would be an incredible experience. HOWEVER, if heaven doesn't exist, and once our heart stops beating and we inhale our last breath, then we just go blank...we will never know! When you close your eyes for the last time, all consciousness will be lost and we will never know about it.

Of course, I have no idea and hope that we will know if heaven exists or not, but there is a real chance that we will simply never know.

God only knows tbh.

Jesus Wept

scudzilla wrote: »

Fcuk me, there's posters on here with over 5,000 posts who have never started a thread this deep, you've done it after 12 posts, can't wait to see the next thread ya start

I hope you are taking the piss.

Adequate

The-Rigger wrote: »

I hope you are taking the piss.

Dude can I ask you why? Do you find my posts boring or do you just refuse to contemplate complex subjects?

storm2811

Adequate wrote: »

Dude can I ask you why? Do you find my posts boring or do you just refuse to contemplate complex subjects?

Mod:Sunshine,Lollypops and Rainbows.
He has no time for subjects like this.:pac:

the_syco

When you die, one of three things will happen:

You'll die, and nothing happens afterwards.

You'll reincarnate as an animal.

You'll be either the person in heaven weaving the sword, or the person in hell dying by the sword. It shall be one place, but how eternity allows you to live will depend how much honour you died with, and if you'll the hunted, or the hunter... :pac:

fonecrusher1

I wish i could believe in the whole idea of drifting off to heaven when we die but i just can't. Its for want of a better word....silly.

Im very much a logically minded sort of person who would say thank science instead of thank god. ie; i would occasionally have a very bad asthma attack which happens very quickly.
Luckly i have an inhaler to prevent me from basically choking to death. Thank god? Nah, thank science.

Jesus Wept

Adequate wrote: »

Dude can I ask you why? Do you find my posts boring or do you just refuse to contemplate complex subjects?

I haven't made any comment on your posts.

Adequate wrote: »

or do you just refuse to contemplate complex subjects?

I don't consider it a complex subject.
It is the type of thought I would expect from a child.

Plebs

You have to repent to get into heaven.

Final impenitence is a one-way ticket to eternal inferno.

A good percentage of us will be spending a very long time in purgatory to atone for our decadent lifestyles.

icywind1980

Plebs wrote: »

You have to repent to get into heaven.

Final impenitence is a one-way ticket to eternal inferno.

A good percentage of us will be spending a very long time in purgatory to atone for our decadent lifestyles.

Is there ice cream in purgatory?

KevinVonSpiel

I'm not even sure I'm going to die... I might just be surrounded by really weak people who flag way too easily.

FearDark

Redlion wrote: »

What a stupid thing to say, there's nothing wrong with someone who believes in the Christian faith. Show some respect for those that do.

Well you have something wrong with your brain so.

KevinVonSpiel

icywind1980 wrote: »

Is there ice cream in purgatory?

I was told that there's butter in Limbo.

Plebs

KevinVonSpiel wrote: »

I was told that there's butter in Limbo.

Bread, butter and water in-between 4 hour shifts of stone-breaking. 6 hours sleep. No holidays. No days off. ~1,000 years, depending on how naughty you've been.

icywind1980

KevinVonSpiel wrote: »

I was told that there's butter in Limbo.

Homer: Mmmmm butter..

johnn

Did none of ya's see the Lost finale or wha?

NoHornJan

Heaven, Nirvana, No more tomorrow, 69 Virgins, Less of today, Hell, Purgatory, Reincarnation, Who's right and who thinks they're wright?

KyussBishop

We'll find out when we die (or not, but then it won't matter anyway), and in the time between now and then it's more important to be proccupied with your current life, instead of worrying about a place that might not even exist.

Sticky_Fingers

Superbus wrote: »

It may well be a narcissistic relic from an outdated Christian mindset, but the idea of heaven is so comforting after a bereavement, at least in my experiences. The thought that they're just gone, as if they'd never been around, is a deeply depressing one, in my opinion.

Personally I can't think of anything more hellish than eternal life after death, it will get boring very quickly. Sure it might be nice to see friends and family for a short while but after a few centuries you will be sick of the sight of them.

Lets say for arguments sake that the population of heaven is 100 billion.
Now lets say that you can spend as much time with anyone as you like, and it averages out to be 10 years of constant companionship with each and every one of those people before you get restless with them. Thats 1 Trillion years of time gone, not bad going until you consider that this is but a tiny fraction of the life span of the universe (by current cosmological models).

Over time the heavens will dim as stars reach the end of their lives and are not replaced. After about 100 TRILLION years the last star will have winked out and there is no more light or heat. That however it only a tiny fraction of the life span of the universe where it enters the degenerate era and things get a little dull,all thats left are white dwarfs, black holes, 100 billion bored souls and God. Thanks but no thanks, I'll take oblivion over that any day.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q5_zKpKLe8I