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Miss Universe Ireland 2010 Rozanna Purcell

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,649 ✭✭✭Catari Jaguar


    Whatever fulfills you.. She's hotter than Rosanna Davison, but then again the girl spells her name with a Z. :D

    Bret Michaels, sleaze bag to end all sleaze bags is a judge. LOL!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,691 ✭✭✭Lia_lia


    I can't see what she really looks like because of the airbrushing..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,274 ✭✭✭Orlee


    Lia_lia wrote: »
    I can't see what she really looks like because of the airbrushing..

    Agreed ... the photo in the first link it a little OTT with the airbrushing

    In the bikini one she just looks a little scary! (number 67 I think ...)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Eve_Dublin


    I presume the target market for this show is anyone who fancies women to get their rocks off to. The Irish contender is gorgeous but honestly, who gives a flying feck if she wins? It's hardly any kind of achievement for herself or for her country. If I watched it, what would I be supporting exactly? Wow I hope her face doesn't fall off and slide down the side of the stage and she gains 6 pounds in 10 seconds. She has to stand there and look sexy and beautiful. Whatever floats your boat but I'd find it difficult to "cheer on" beauty.

    I have to disagree with you though Casey Ann, if this women don't have good bodies or faces, then there's no hope for any of us...I must be some hideous sewer monkey from hell if that's what passes for ugly these days.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,512 ✭✭✭baby and crumble


    I'm always torn on these things, because deep down i know they're a bit icky and sexist but... the girls are rather easy on the eye... DILEMMA! ;)

    The photos are fierce airbrushed though, in the first pic she barely looks human! Still looks better than me though! :cool:


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Lia_lia wrote: »
    I can't see what she really looks like because of the airbrushing..


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Eve_Dublin


    caseyann wrote: »
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    I think minus the make up she'd still be beautiful actually. Still, big deal. Does she deserve to win a contest because of it?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Eve_Dublin wrote: »
    I presume the target market for this show is anyone who fancies women to get their rocks off to. The Irish contender is gorgeous but honestly, who gives a flying feck if she wins? It's hardly any kind of achievement for herself or for her country. If I watched it, what would I be supporting exactly? Wow I hope her face doesn't fall off and slide down the side of the stage and she gains 6 pounds in 10 seconds. She has to stand there and look sexy and beautiful. Whatever floats your boat but I'd find it difficult to "cheer on" beauty.

    I have to disagree with you though Casey Ann, if this women don't have good bodies or faces, then there's no hope for any of us...I must be some hideous sewer monkey from hell if that's what passes for ugly these days.

    They portray themselves as the apparently most beautiful women in world,i will criticize them,and i seen better looking and nicer figures on street.
    And i again ask what is the winner merited on?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Eve_Dublin


    caseyann wrote: »
    They portray themselves as the apparently most beautiful women in world,i will criticize them,and i seen better looking and nicer figures on street.
    And i again ask what is the winner merited on?

    I suppose a certain kind of woman would enter a contest like this. To put it bluntly, you'd need to be fairly up your own backside to believe you're the most beautiful woman in the world, no? I'm probably just bitter though as is it any different to entering into a writing contest? Obviously one involves talent and one doesn't but it's essentially the same idea, I guess.

    It's not as if they roam up and down the land of every country to find the most stunning woman to enter. Would you enter if someone asked you, Casey Ann? These women usually enter off their own bat. I'd be interested to know what would possess them to do this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 244 ✭✭RachPie


    She's actually really beautiful, and if she's got a personality to match her looks then she deserves to win!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Eve_Dublin wrote: »
    I suppose a certain kind of woman would enter a contest like this. To put it bluntly, you'd need to be fairly up your own backside to believe you're the most beautiful woman in the world, no? I'm probably just bitter though as is it any different to entering into a writing contest? Obviously one involves talent and one doesn't but it's essentially the same idea, I guess.

    It's not as if they roam up and down the land of every country to find the most stunning woman to enter. Would you enter if someone asked you, Casey Ann? These women usually enter off their own bat. I'd be interested to know what would possess them to do this.

    I wouldnt no.I was asked to do something in modeling and singing aswell.I told them no thanks and pointed them to people who would like to do that kind of stuff.

    They have to be attention seekers.

    I guess because they dont mind been judged on and very confident.They get their face in every tv station and modeling jobs and money.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭Truley


    Beauty Pagents aren't my cup of tea but I respect women's rights to take part in them. Each to their own.


  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Kinley Obnoxious Oats


    She looks very pretty indeed, some of the bikini models are stunning.
    If that's what they want to do, good luck to them! :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    She looks much better unphotshopped.

    It's kinda like an award for having two good looking parents who successfully mated...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    WindSock wrote: »
    She looks much better unphotshopped.

    It's kinda like an award for having two good looking parents who successfully mated...

    I agree with first part,she really does,less is more.

    Second part i dont agree with.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Truley wrote: »
    Beauty Pagents aren't my cup of tea but I respect women's rights to take part in them. Each to their own.

    This is what i am trying to figure out is it a beauty pagent only? I mean literally to say who is best looking out of them?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    I love the jealousy in this thread.

    Looking that good takes time, effort and exercise.


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,698 Mod ✭✭✭✭Silverfish


    I love the jealousy in this thread.

    Looking that good takes time, effort and exercise.

    I don't know, I know a few girls who fall out of bed looking like these girls. No time, no effort, some people just have good genes :)

    For example, she has beautifully shaped eyes, and lips. There's not much you can do to physically change the shape of those naturally.

    I do think the competition is a bit of a silly shallow thing, but that's because it's just not my 'thing'. It's obviously something these girls want to do and nobody's forcing them into it with a cattle prod, so that's their choice, and yes, I hope she wins. She's lovely.

    Was this competition Miss World before, or is this a new thing?


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 30,661 Mod ✭✭✭✭Faith


    Miss Spain is unbelievable :eek:. Instant girl crush!


  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Kinley Obnoxious Oats


    I love the jealousy in this thread.
    Ah don't go down this road again


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    I love the jealousy in this thread.

    Looking that good takes time, effort and exercise.


    ...and good breeding.

    As Silverfish already said, no amount of excercise, time and effort can give you a good bone structure and attractive features. It can certainly be enhanced through hard work, but you have to have something to work with to begin with. That is why I don't really understand these competitions. I am not against them, I just don't consider them something great to aspire to, or a real achievement. Then again, perhaps I am just a jealous old sow and should go with the flow before I am found out.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 272 ✭✭angelxx


    I hope she wins, She is one of the better looking girls in the competition
    Yes it's all about looks but should land the winner a lucrative modelling
    contract and excellent publicity.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    Faith wrote: »
    Miss Spain is unbelievable :eek:. Instant girl crush!

    She is along with Ukraine
    angelxx wrote: »
    I hope she wins, She is one of the better looking girls in the competition
    Yes it's all about looks but should land the winner a lucrative modelling
    contract and excellent publicity.

    I agree,she is very pretty,would like to see how she comes across as a person.

    Her glam shot?Beautiful.
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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    WindSock wrote: »
    ...and good breeding.

    As Silverfish already said, no amount of excercise, time and effort can give you a good bone structure and attractive features. It can certainly be enhanced through hard work, but you have to have something to work with to begin with. That is why I don't really understand these competitions. I am not against them, I just don't consider them something great to aspire to, or a real achievement. Then again, perhaps I am just a jealous old sow and should go with the flow before I am found out.

    I dont agree with you there. I have seen famous people on street and they look wow frighteningly normal and would not look twice at them. Make up works wonders and if you have determination,body wise everyone can have that to die for body. Also most have work done.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,975 ✭✭✭nkay1985


    Bret Michaels, sleaze bag to end all sleaze bags is a judge. LOL!

    He's a sleazy bastard but was very likeable on Celebrity Apprentice. Nice job to land in fairness!
    Faith wrote: »
    Miss Spain is unbelievable :eek:. Instant girl crush!

    What number is she now?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    nkay1985 wrote: »

    What number is she now?


    This is her.

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,628 ✭✭✭SheRa


    She's a very good looking girl. I found her "celtic outfit" to be hilarious. http://www.herald.ie/entertainment/around-town/celtic-warrior-rozanna-wows-contest-judges-2301600.html I love the herald for "celeb" stories:D.

    Btw +1 for Miss Spain. What a gorgeous girl.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,941 ✭✭✭caseyann


    I like her celtic outfit,they could have took a better pic of it :mad:

    Miss Australia another pretty one her outfit is lovely :)

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,540 ✭✭✭Giselle


    I love the jealousy in this thread.

    Looking that good takes time, effort and exercise.


    I'm not a fan of beauty pageants as I don't think anyone should be judged only on their looks, but I admire girls who are confident enough to enter them.

    They obviously have a good self and body-image, know how to make the best of themselves, and aren't prevented by the kind of self criticism that most girls give themselves, from doing what they enjoy.

    Its great that they know how beautiful they are, and even better that they aren't ashamed of knowing it.

    Its just a shame that people assume they're conceited because of it.


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  • Posts: 0 Ezra Stocky Fig


    Eve_Dublin wrote: »
    I suppose a certain kind of woman would enter a contest like this. To put it bluntly, you'd need to be fairly up your own backside to believe you're the most beautiful woman in the world, no? I'm probably just bitter though as is it any different to entering into a writing contest? Obviously one involves talent and one doesn't but it's essentially the same idea, I guess.

    It's not as if they roam up and down the land of every country to find the most stunning woman to enter. Would you enter if someone asked you, Casey Ann? These women usually enter off their own bat. I'd be interested to know what would possess them to do this.

    I agree. I know a girl who was Miss Ireland a few years ago and she kept saying in interviews that she didn't consider herself good looking and that it was just a lucky break........as if, like! You have to enter yourself and I don't know many people who would have the nerve to do it, beautiful or not.

    Beauty pageants don't really bother me but I just find it a bit sad to be judged for only your looks. Like other people have said, it just means you got lucky with your genes, it's hardly an achievement. I don't really understand why anyone would feel the need to be crowned Miss Universe or whatever. But each to their own.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,150 ✭✭✭LivingDeadGirl


    I think Miss Poland is gorgeous!! :eek: Miss Ireland looks too pouty or something.


  • Posts: 0 Ezra Stocky Fig


    She is very pouty. I wonder if those are her natural lips? She looks like Angelina Jolie before she got all weird looking.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 462 ✭✭El_Drago


    I think Miss Poland is gorgeous!! :eek: Miss Ireland looks too pouty or something.
    She is very pouty. I wonder if those are her natural lips? She looks like Angelina Jolie before she got all weird looking.

    After all the opinions about her so-called beauty so far,I was starting to think I was on my own there. She looks fairly average to me.Miss Spain is where it's at!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,512 ✭✭✭baby and crumble


    To be fair, is it any different to a person who is naturally intelligent and academic going up against 40 other people for a PhD scholarship programme? They will have had a combination of natural academic intelligence, and hard work for year honing their particular skills. No different from a naturally beautiful woman entering one of these contests and working hard on her appearance coming up to it. The end result is broadly speaking the same, a chance to fulfill their potential and get a job out of it at the end.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 462 ✭✭El_Drago


    zoegh wrote: »
    To be fair, is it any different to a person who is naturally intelligent and academic going up against 40 other people for a PhD scholarship programme? They will have had a combination of natural academic intelligence, and hard work for year honing their particular skills. No different from a naturally beautiful woman entering one of these contests and working hard on her appearance coming up to it. The end result is broadly speaking the same, a chance to fulfill their potential and get a job out of it at the end.

    Well,most PhD scholarships don't have stripping down to swimwear as a prerequisite for being selected.These ladies are primarily selected on the basis of looks,you can't refute that. Essentially what this contest suggests is that the better a woman looks in a dress and swimwear, the more suitable she is for humanitarian work. More often than not,the "heart-felt", ghost-written speeches are the same as Barack Obama winning the Nobel Prize for peace-all talk!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,512 ✭✭✭baby and crumble


    El_Drago wrote:
    Well,most PhD scholarships don't have stripping down to swimwear as a prerequisite for being selected.These ladies are primarily selected on the basis of looks,you can't refute that. Essentially what this contest suggests is that the better a woman looks in a dress and swimwear, the more suitable she is for humanitarian work. More often than not,the "heart-felt" speeches are the same as Barack Obama winning the Nobel Prize for peace-all talk!

    True, but if the women put themselves up for it, and they are at the pinnacle of their looks, I don't see how it's 'worse' or the women are not as worthy of respect... I'm a PhD student, and while I didn't have to strip down to my undercrackers (thank god!) I do have to open myself up to critique of the way I think all the time, as soon as I open my mouth or my head onto the page... But I chose that. Nobody plucked these women from their sitting rooms and told them to enter. They did that themselves, and I think they're actually pretty smart for using their looks... Most people assume things about good looking people in general- might as well get some money and a chance to travel out of peoples assumptions.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Eve_Dublin


    El_Drago wrote: »
    Essentially what this contest suggests is that the better a woman looks in a dress and swimwear, the more suitable she is for humanitarian work. More often than not,the "heart-felt", ghost-written speeches are the same as Barack Obama winning the Nobel Prize for peace-all talk!

    See this is a good point. If these women want to enter this contest because they think they're gorgeous enough to win it, then go for it. I certainly couldn't do it because I'm not as beautiful as they are.
    Just don't dress it up as something it's not. Don't ask them questions that judge them on their intelligence...this is a beauty contest and nothing more. I'm not saying they're not intelligent but it's not a prerequisite for the contest. They have to be extremely gorgeous and sexy and that's it.

    To be honest, I find the demeaning part comes into play when they ask them what they'd like to change in the world (or however the question is phrased). What kind of stupid question is that anyway to ask someone wearing a bikini in front of millions? Why in God's name are these girls expected to have a genuine answer to that? It's a beauty contest. You see clips over the years of stupid answer ("Feed the starving babies in Africa" and "World Peace" etc.) and they're played and pulled apart by the media so everyone can have a good laugh...once again people don't want to see these girls having it all. Brains and beauty? It doesn't exist so lets ask them a question, expect a stupid answer and think, "Awwww she hasn't a clue (metaphorical pat on the head)....now go get your knockers out, love!". The Irish contestant is 19 years old. She's very young although she might look older. More than likely she's not going to have some intellectual response to the question that will blow everyone away but she IS very good looking...that's where her skills/talents/good genes lie.

    Pretending it's something more than a beauty contest at the expense of the dignity of these women is the part I hate.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,061 ✭✭✭✭Terry


    WindSock wrote: »
    She looks much better unphotshopped.

    It's kinda like an award for having two good looking parents who successfully mated...
    I disagree.
    My parents were ugly as sin, but I'm a handsome bastard.

    Silverfish wrote: »
    I don't know, I know a few girls who fall out of bed looking like these girls. No time, no effort, some people just have good genes :)

    I demand proof in the form of pictures.
    Thank you.

    I had a look through the bikini pics and the airbrushing made half of them look like emaciated women with men's heads.
    They're all a bit too skinny for my taste.


  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Kinley Obnoxious Oats


    She is very pouty. I wonder if those are her natural lips? She looks like Angelina Jolie before she got all weird looking.

    I thought she looked like AJ too - but I don't think it's a bad thing


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 60,217 Mod ✭✭✭✭Wibbs


    Eve_Dublin wrote: »
    Pretending it's something more than a beauty contest at the expense of the dignity of these women is the part I hate.
    This bit I agree with alright. I remember watching a fitness contest for women(I think that was its description anyway, wasnt bodybuilding anyway) and it was all about the body honed over many sweaty hours in the gym. The interview consisted of questions on training methods, with the odd nod to what they did for a living. It was more honest in that sense, even though they looked like slightly larger, much more defined versions of the beauty pageant women. They weren't as pretty in the face, but again that didnt matter as the woman who won was pretty plain compared to some of the others.

    There would be a lot of work involved even with the beauty types. The dieting, the gym time etc to get down to that level of bodyfat for a start. And even the "curvy" ones have low bodyfat. Having been up close to a few at a regional spanish pageant a few years back they are a bit of a different species :D Then you have the plucking and prodding and according to a programme I watched on Columbian contestants a fair bit of cosmetic "adjustment". Plus they can do really well financially out of it and kick start modeling careers. So while it does little for me as its all very vapid, they have the choice if they want to pursue it.

    Rejoice in the awareness of feeling stupid, for that’s how you end up learning new things. If you’re not aware you’re stupid, you probably are.



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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 18,239 ✭✭✭✭WindSock


    El_Drago wrote: »
    After all the opinions about her so-called beauty so far,I was starting to think I was on my own there. She looks fairly average to me.Miss Spain is where it's at!

    Therein lies the problem. How do you judge a person for their beauty, it is totally subjective.


  • Posts: 0 Ezra Stocky Fig


    El_Drago wrote: »
    After all the opinions about her so-called beauty so far,I was starting to think I was on my own there. She looks fairly average to me.Miss Spain is where it's at!

    I didn't mean I thought she looked bad, it was meant to be a compliment. I think AJ was stunning when she was younger. I actually think Miss Ireland is one of the best looking contestants this year, she's really quite striking whereas some of the other girls are just pretty.
    To be fair, is it any different to a person who is naturally intelligent and academic going up against 40 other people for a PhD scholarship programme? They will have had a combination of natural academic intelligence, and hard work for year honing their particular skills. No different from a naturally beautiful woman entering one of these contests and working hard on her appearance coming up to it. The end result is broadly speaking the same, a chance to fulfill their potential and get a job out of it at the end.

    No, I don't think you can compare the two at all. In the PhD interview, you're talking about all the academic work you've done, the Masters/undergrad thesis you've done, you're grilled about academic theories, the content of your future PhD. Lots and lots of hard work and preparation. In a beauty pageant, you're judged on your looks alone and preparation involves getting a tan, getting your nails done and keeping fit by going to the gym or whatever. It would be a nice ego boost to win but I wouldn't see it as a personal achievement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭jasonb


    Interesting to see that all of the Swimsuit Pictures have 'Retouched' at the end of the descriptions.

    While it's good to see them admitting that the photos aren't real, it also makes them seem even more pointless! It's like saying 'This is a photo of the contestant*'


























    *Not a real photo


    J.


  • Posts: 0 CMod ✭✭✭✭ Kinley Obnoxious Oats


    jasonb:
    reminds me most of ads for mascara.
    "volumise your lashes and look like this!!"*


    *lash inserts used. Lashes touched up after shooting ad.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,341 ✭✭✭jasonb


    Exactly! I know it's getting off topic, but if they're selling something, and then admit that it's not actually what they're selling, then isn't the ad pointless?

    And the answer is no, it's not, as people will still believe and want it anyhow...

    J.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,512 ✭✭✭baby and crumble


    I suppose yeah, the hypocrisy of it is a bit much, plus it's a pity that there are so many women who will see this as the only worthy way of being attractive to someone, when most people I know find intelligence a lot sexier than skinny chicks who look like they need a daycent sandwich and a bag of tayto before they faint. (honestly, what is with the airbrushing out of NORMAL bodyfat in those pictures?)

    I still say so long as they've entered themselves, I don't see what the big deal is. I also dont see a problem with being confident in your looks and using your best assets to get a job/ career. We all do it, whether that's modeling or writing novels or painting pictures.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,884 ✭✭✭Eve_Dublin


    By the way, I think Miss Ghana and Miss Ukraine are the most beautiful and I'd say they look gorgeous when you take away all the photoshopping and make up as well.


  • Posts: 0 Ezra Stocky Fig


    zoegh wrote: »

    I still say so long as they've entered themselves, I don't see what the big deal is. I also dont see a problem with being confident in your looks and using your best assets to get a job/ career. We all do it, whether that's modeling or writing novels or painting pictures.

    I suppose it's that winning a crown for looking pretty isn't really an achievement. You look pretty, you have good genes, great. I don't think keeping in shape and looking good counts as hard work or talent. I get what you're saying, that some people are born amazing artists or writers, but it's still a talent, something can can do. Standing there looking pretty in a swimsuit isn't really comparable. It's sort of like going to a museum and complimenting a painting directly (as opposed to the artist). The painting has done nothing but let itself be painted and now looks pretty. To me, beauty queens are very similar (even in that they're 'painted' by make-up artists to look as glamorous as they do) in that they are totally objectified, judged only on outward appearance as opposed to anything they've actually done. Bad comparison I know but it's the best I can do on 3 hours sleep. :o


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,150 ✭✭✭✭Malari


    If you put her name into a Google Images search you get some varied pictures of her! Some she looks great, 13-esque (from House), some are like that picture of you on a night out in a club when you looked "hot" at the start and when the photo was taken you just look "hot and bothered" :D

    One thing's for sure, she looks better than Rosanna Davidson.

    Their bodies in the swimsuit pics all look very similar. Great, but don't know how you would judge them :confused: Some girls faces are just...odd looking. Some are nothing special. I think the Irish girl is an unusual beauty.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,551 ✭✭✭panda100


    zoegh wrote: »
    True, but if the women put themselves up for it, and they are at the pinnacle of their looks, I don't see how it's 'worse' or the women are not as worthy of respect... I'm a PhD student, and while I didn't have to strip down to my undercrackers (thank god!) I do have to open myself up to critique of the way I think all the time, as soon as I open my mouth or my head onto the page... But I chose that. Nobody plucked these women from their sitting rooms and told them to enter. They did that themselves, and I think they're actually pretty smart for using their looks... Most people assume things about good looking people in general- might as well get some money and a chance to travel out of peoples assumptions.

    But won't your PhD actually add something good to the world?

    What does this contest, that doesn't allow mothers, married women,those under 27, who in the end are judged on their ability to give Donald Trump an erection when wearing their bikini's, add to the world in a really positive sense?

    Beauty contests in themselves are not wrong in principle, If they are defined as events that apppreciate beauty,in its widest sense, of the human body. The human body,both male and female is equisite and should be appreciated for its diversity and variety.

    All the women in Miss Universe look the same,it has turned something as individualistic as beauty into a cattle mart of hair extensions and bleached teeth. Its such a narrow defintion of what being beautiful is, and these contests are giving such huge media attention, that it is damaging to how women percieve themselves. I had dinner with my 35 year old sister yesterday who was almost in tears due to the lines she's finding under her eyes , and the link to the bikini round just reminded me of how many women admitted on the LL that they are ashamed and afraid to do something as simple as swimming of fear of how they will look in their swimming costume.

    Whats depressing about is If she does win we won't hear the end of it for years,like Rossanna Davidson all over again. It would just be nice for a young women to be exultated in the Irish media on something other than her looks for once. Our culture is saturated enough with message that being pretty is still at the top of the list when it come to important attributes in women.


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