FAS Site Jobs??

KERSPLAT!

Can someone explain what WPP1 and WPP2 mean, also JLC/REA rates and CE Rates mean and what are these rates? They dont give any indication on wage/salery

Cheers Ian :pac:

jockey#1

WPP means work place programme - Two types I think one for graduates the other is general work exp.

JLC rates have something to do with specified rates of pay for certain jobs, chefs, trades people etc.

Finally CE Scheme mean Community employment scheme where you work for 19.5 hours per week.

KERSPLAT!

So I take it WPP is unpaid?

retenzo12

afaik your entitled to your jobseekers benefit / allowance. . .your gain is experience and the possibility of being kept on after nine months

gihj

retenzo12 wrote: »

afaik your entitled to your jobseekers benefit / allowance. . .your gain is experience and the possibility of being kept on after nine months

Yeah, basically you're working for free.
The benefit is that you don't appear on the live register.
Check out the companies advertising,all profitable growing entities allowed to take vital staff on for free.
A particular example would be the much heralded Zimmer orthopedics in Shannon.This is a company that FF were all over when they announced the setting up of the plant in 2008.
Since then they have shunned the best of educated people in this hard hit region in favour of this scheme.
I wouldn't work for or give companies involved in this scheme my business personally.
They and the rest of the knowledge economy should be boycotted in favour of companies paying a wage.

Slave labour.

gollem_1975

gihj wrote: »

The benefit is that you don't appear on the live register.

don't think thats true.. i'm on one myself and DSFA who look after "the live register" don't really have that much visibility with whats going on with the WPP.
you are still claiming the same benefit as you would be if you weren't on the WPP.

You can leave the job whenever you want ( still sound like Slave labour to you ? )

You get to keep your job seekers benefit and you get work experience ( which employers value ) Vs alternative of sitting at home doing whatever is you want to do ... the choice is yours.

gihj

gollem_1975 wrote: »

don't think thats true.. i'm on one myself and DSFA who look after "the live register" don't really have that much visibility with whats going on with the WPP.
you are still claiming the same benefit as you would be if you weren't on the WPP.

You can leave the job whenever you want ( still sound like Slave labour to you ? )

You get to keep your job seekers benefit and you get work experience ( which employers value ) Vs alternative of sitting at home doing whatever is you want to do ... the choice is yours.

Tell the welfare that you left come means test time and see how far it gets you.
Fact is companies are getting people to work for free and calling it work experience.
Slave labour.

gollem_1975

gihj wrote: »

Tell the welfare that you left come means test time and see how far it gets you.
Fact is companies are getting people to work for free and calling it work experience.
Slave labour.

my experience of WPP is that it is a work experience program. I am getting work experience which in my opinion is a good thing ( though proof of the pudding will be if it helps me to getting an actual job that pays )

have you personal experience of having your means test affected by leaving a WPP role ?
have you personal experience of actually being on the WPP ?

gihj

Go have a look at the companies advertising jobs on the website.
You clearly see the need to praise this scam for whatever reason i don't know (maybe to justify it to yourself).
I call it for what it's worth and that is a scam (despite your naivity).
If you want to make someone rich by working for them for free then go ahead.
I have a little more self respect however.

gollem_1975

gihj wrote: »

Go have a look at the companies advertising jobs on the website.
You clearly see the need to praise this scam for whatever reason i don't know (maybe to justify it to yourself).
I call it for what it's worth and that is a scam (despite your naivity).
If you want to make someone rich by working for them for free then go ahead.
I have a little more self respect however.

I wish to tackle the negative attitude towards the WPP that seems to be held by many posters on this board.
I may be wasting my time but i am trying to help others to be positive, albeit in a very small way.
the more of my fellow countrymen that have a positive attitude the better is for me and everyone else.

no employer is going to be getting rich off a person on the WPP.

some employers may be able to stay in the game by taking on a WPP to work in an area that they don't have skills in ( see also the webactivate scheme )

But If the person was business critical they would be getting paid as the company could not afford to take the risk of losing this employee.

28064212

gihj wrote: »

Tell the welfare that you left come means test time and see how far it gets you.
Fact is companies are getting people to work for free and calling it work experience.
Slave labour.

Eh... yeah, that's what work experience is. Working where you're being paid in experience, rather than money. And yes, you can leave it at any time, and you cannot be penalised by welfare

Ace2007

gihj wrote: »

Go have a look at the companies advertising jobs on the website.
You clearly see the need to praise this scam for whatever reason i don't know (maybe to justify it to yourself).
I call it for what it's worth and that is a scam (despite your naivity).
If you want to make someone rich by working for them for free then go ahead.
I have a little more self respect however.

Go for a job interview and they ask, "what have you been doing for the last year" and you say "looking for work couldn't really find anything".

Another person says, "i'm currently on an unpaid internship and have been for the last few months"

I wonder who has the better chance of getting the job, the one with the can do attitude or the one who sits at home just looking for the job instead of gaining experience with a leading company.

ahal

Fair play to the poster who's a participant in the WPP scheme, but I see the alternate arguement about 'slave labour' as well. I'm never 100% comfortable with the notion of someone's labour being worth nothing. I just see it a bad principle.

Now in terms of SME's / 'Start ups' I can (just about) see where it's all coming from. However why companies like HP, with a profit ahead of target at 2.2 billion USD are using FAS for free workers is just crazy.

I say fair play to the poster on WPP, but shame on FAS and the likes of HP for using it wrongly. It should never be an 'alternative' to those who could - if they wanted to - pay a wage.

snorlax

9-months does seem to be a long enough time to go without a wage, I mean how are you supposed to get a morgage and what about people who already have lots of experience?. Maybe it would be more effective if it was shorter.

I think if it was like 3 or 4 days a week and you then had time to look for paid employment it would be better and if they're we're set learning objectives rather then just working for nine months. e.g.1 month in payroll/ 1 month in somewhere different..and then in 3months the option of rotating into a different company/ leaving with a reference? I mean it would be ideal if you were straight out of college and had no work experience and it was just a commitment of 3months with set objectives.

pog it

If they allowed people to do a work placement and work a second job while still keeping the dole allowance for the work placement, that would be a better incentive.

Say for example, a graduate goes into a WPP, gets their dole money, and works 10 hours a week in a bar, etc. they then at least have 300 a week to live on which is more reasonable than just the dole for 40 hours of work a week.

gollem_1975

snorlax wrote: »

9-months does seem to be a long enough time to go without a wage, I mean how are you supposed to get a morgage and what about people who already have lots of experience?. Maybe it would be more effective if it was shorter.

I think if it was like 3 or 4 days a week and you then had time to look for paid employment it would be better and if they're we're set learning objectives rather then just working for nine months. e.g.1 month in payroll/ 1 month in somewhere different..and then in 3months the option of rotating into a different company/ leaving with a reference? I mean it would be ideal if you were straight out of college and had no work experience and it was just a commitment of 3months with set objectives.

WPP doesn't seem to be a highly formalised scheme.

when I was looking initially on the Fas site there were 6 month WPP roles.

I'm almost certain that a requirement for participating companies is that they have not laid anyone off in recent period.

Startups - many people working for startups probably aren't getting paid either regardless of the WPP scheme, they get paid when the compnay makes money - equity share etc..
I don't think startups would be ideal for WPP. startups have a high rate of failure anyway without having to look after relatively inexperienced interns.

learning objectives - nice in theory but who is realistically going to come up with any formal learning objectives above and beyond what is in the job spec on the website.
Fas don't have the staff to be analysing each of these roles and coming up with objectives.

ultimately its down to the employer and the candidate to work these objectives out between themselves as responsible adults at the interview stage and later on the job.

ahal

pog it wrote: »

If they allowed people to do a work placement and work a second job while still keeping the dole allowance for the work placement, that would be a better incentive.

Say for example, a graduate goes into a WPP, gets their dole money, and works 10 hours a week in a bar, etc. they then at least have 300 a week to live on which is more reasonable than just the dole for 40 hours of work a week.

A friend of mine started a part time job in Dunnes back in 1992, whilst on a FAS course. Back then if memory serves the dole was about 50 quid a week (real money, not yoyo) and FAS was 80 or 90. He was able to do his FAS course AND work ... he used the money to make his way through college.

With all the money being thrown at Banks with a side - murmur about 'job creation' they killed the most effective way of getting people back to work: incentive. Now FAS is the same as the dole, except you lose money (oh yeah, they give €20 extra or something for doing a course etc.)

What I fear with these WPP things most is that companies will use them on a serial basis. I wonder if there's a preventative measure to stop them taking on another WPP person straight after one finishes? Apparently a company can populate it's staff with 10% WPP employees.

gollem_1975

ahal wrote: »

With all the money being thrown at Banks with a side - murmur about 'job creation' they killed the most effective way of getting people back to work: incentive. Now FAS is the same as the dole, except you lose money (oh yeah, they give €20 extra or something for doing a course etc.)

What I fear with these WPP things most is that companies will use them on a serial basis. I wonder if there's a preventative measure to stop them taking on another WPP person straight after one finishes? Apparently a company can populate it's staff with 10% WPP employees.

well I'd wager that there is an incentive coming in the budget.

the government have agreed not to touch the public sector wages so I can guess some of the cuts are going to be made to JSB , JSA etc.

don't think there are any preventative measures to stop a company taking on another WPP and I don't foresee any in the pipeline (unless Prime time do an expose on companies abusing the system )
the government have more to be doing than making it MORE difficult for a company to take someone on in the current climate. The gov needs to be helping these employers to create jobs and increase tax revenue (while giving people the opportunity to work *) not put more red tape in their way.

* - I was out of work for an extended period and to tell the truth i am in much better form now that I am back in the workplace (even if I shouldn't be posting on boards :-) )

gihj

Ah yes a scheme for learning new skills.

https://jobbank.fas.ie/servlet/Watis?SESS=7121_14&SERVICE=CRITERIUMBROWSE&TEMPLATE=WWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_BROWSE.HTM&ROW=3&BACK=TEMPLATE%3DWWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_OVERVIEW.HTM

https://jobbank.fas.ie/servlet/Watis?SESS=7121_42&SERVICE=CRITERIUMBROWSE&TEMPLATE=WWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_BROWSE.HTM&ROW=21&BACK=TEMPLATE%3DWWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_OVERVIEW.HTM

I looked but can't find the position being advertised by a certain political party.
Must have filled it.
Successful scheme/scam.

gollem_1975

gihj wrote: »

Ah yes a scheme for learning new skills.

https://jobbank.fas.ie/servlet/Watis?SESS=7121_14&SERVICE=CRITERIUMBROWSE&TEMPLATE=WWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_BROWSE.HTM&ROW=3&BACK=TEMPLATE%3DWWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_OVERVIEW.HTM

https://jobbank.fas.ie/servlet/Watis?SESS=7121_42&SERVICE=CRITERIUMBROWSE&TEMPLATE=WWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_BROWSE.HTM&ROW=21&BACK=TEMPLATE%3DWWW_JS_VAC_CRITERIUM_OVERVIEW.HTM

I looked but can't find the position being advertised by a certain political party.
Must have filled it.
Successful scheme/scam.

why the reluctance to mention the party ? ( it was Labour btw )

WPP is not an extension of your Fas or 3rd level course ( FYI WPP2 jobs are specifically non-graduate positions - the WPP1's are grad positions )
you don't get free tuition from an employer for 9 months with a cert at the end - its a job.

I don't think either positions are necessarily displacing a full time equivalent ( this is another complaint leveled at the WPP)

They are not looking for someone with experience ( though even for WPP positions some experience will put a candidate ahead of someone who doesn't )

at the end of the day the attractiveness of position is in the eye of the applicant.

Ace2007

Some of the jobs on the IBEC gradlink programme are advertised as paid, obv not sure about the details, and there are 6+ month long so if you look hard enough you will find paid internships.

markfdrums

Some of the wpp / intern jobs on fas at the moment are a disgrace. Theres a catering MANAGER intern job up there today.. i'm all for people going out and getting experience, but FFS management jobs? companies taking the p!ss there i think.

markfdrums

examples of p!ss taking today:

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DKnhPaqIDpjertgz+Ckc+MwX6qymZONnyjA6OmGJpxw0y9rY2Xpl5EwifdK2qHP3ZiRkTPzsySxz9tdfWx8ks1R6wwAihiAra79yKjMlJa00iejBbrlBhMweCnI5ktOlchDnXcDdc3Sqj6rKRz35MgvaAu2YrEV7hg9EOh7BdY/IynDL9WJS9zC2JWqp55x1VJ2OEiHzdNSDB/oiJQSeqojbsmiJArclc+GrBRddYI2YUJnHuz4vxmoxxhi0+8Z9KNiOOII1ayzK5/7L9nf9VMXifiv/FiO9QRxPQcKcBqRjcX7e9T86zJW3eT4qEaHm8q/UIUdWQR6A+hxBTnV5fbygtNikX2ZJLy0SiLQbEw2/9h8rO28yN5JuiUTF9yX5KHQ8QWaFA3G+gQ2wRAjIvLukD4uKG1Jjzo0sXfkujYNe

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DJ8caLzmBDL34KVAWgfdKPdVkELbZ3kF5DYYRIOi7r5XwF9k8HqM46OM7tYQltHjqKB/tNQJFYNdLydPw5k8qnl0nUm2Y7scp/u6+GC5JTOBNgagtFRBksb/LoERz3YB4h/ic8Gv5Uw9oofbbehD05dJHYDa0QQNSHV5yFqXtvne9EqacygAy3YShgQCJES8/zFUWs/nBKU2Wfwr0uQzejYDa2LmB2urcVJjUVyX9A0Hlcv5xW3r44bESySHwSbTTeoaj9aaK2ReOs9hxU0UUVYY4zb6Qg5NdYoNph4HFaeXaOcviYlF7dAto45EFNhrQ6ZoP4DSdpz9KEmxtF7WvI32DvsnLcHMjDYqv0AEkS5CVWx5rO8UIEm++CPmuEtNf6trg30xzkcJA/QVd/8MobnM1t/DgQG7LTkNKVEQ4w+T

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DK6HRg55VQN7QtFID2QNeisliMnwGTCdqQQ22ekpCyJGQkAs2kMvjkxmMM6QnHuAnw+dmQoRUu+WdU8e/50aTNHU9Ihaa1gtQuCZxXQWgfqFRvp+vLZ0hGGjqchxPSw6lZcWKJFPGE3e9symhC8ri2bw5yK3ETUGs35FkslVwHlVtYRRrie2CAJb8M/Jr4bfpvuT/euPznc4jtulAt+B1wzxcvts/Q9kZk3ZAH9peXTEuNrFlH6lz94iEx//4cq3ORob4nuatOAFpHpD8jsLlxuklxO9Bqi8NIY7fYf9jWDEfU93lK1iC+gVY5pRTDnEP9m1wKFSN1FtiJpSxSI2/7ANV8rG3OUmgmJedj3hwjw8pnyB2Ei32GHPjyTXy2kuzqAAdK2moqicwLGabNQGZ8K1o8QQdYOM/6qgwSmWMd05

Lux23

I saw a Health and Safety Officer Role and a Sales and Marketing Manager one.

28064212

markfdrums wrote: »

examples of p!ss taking today:

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DKnhPaqIDpjertgz+Ckc+MwX6qymZONnyjA6OmGJpxw0y9rY2Xpl5EwifdK2qHP3ZiRkTPzsySxz9tdfWx8ks1R6wwAihiAra79yKjMlJa00iejBbrlBhMweCnI5ktOlchDnXcDdc3Sqj6rKRz35MgvaAu2YrEV7hg9EOh7BdY/IynDL9WJS9zC2JWqp55x1VJ2OEiHzdNSDB/oiJQSeqojbsmiJArclc+GrBRddYI2YUJnHuz4vxmoxxhi0+8Z9KNiOOII1ayzK5/7L9nf9VMXifiv/FiO9QRxPQcKcBqRjcX7e9T86zJW3eT4qEaHm8q/UIUdWQR6A+hxBTnV5fbygtNikX2ZJLy0SiLQbEw2/9h8rO28yN5JuiUTF9yX5KHQ8QWaFA3G+gQ2wRAjIvLukD4uKG1Jjzo0sXfkujYNe

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DJ8caLzmBDL34KVAWgfdKPdVkELbZ3kF5DYYRIOi7r5XwF9k8HqM46OM7tYQltHjqKB/tNQJFYNdLydPw5k8qnl0nUm2Y7scp/u6+GC5JTOBNgagtFRBksb/LoERz3YB4h/ic8Gv5Uw9oofbbehD05dJHYDa0QQNSHV5yFqXtvne9EqacygAy3YShgQCJES8/zFUWs/nBKU2Wfwr0uQzejYDa2LmB2urcVJjUVyX9A0Hlcv5xW3r44bESySHwSbTTeoaj9aaK2ReOs9hxU0UUVYY4zb6Qg5NdYoNph4HFaeXaOcviYlF7dAto45EFNhrQ6ZoP4DSdpz9KEmxtF7WvI32DvsnLcHMjDYqv0AEkS5CVWx5rO8UIEm++CPmuEtNf6trg30xzkcJA/QVd/8MobnM1t/DgQG7LTkNKVEQ4w+T

http://jobseeker.fas.ie/Default.aspx?q=B+fomdowzS8kaDnSlUDk1zaMUPiFEeNrNWjviinu490thmC2C0u+DK6HRg55VQN7QtFID2QNeisliMnwGTCdqQQ22ekpCyJGQkAs2kMvjkxmMM6QnHuAnw+dmQoRUu+WdU8e/50aTNHU9Ihaa1gtQuCZxXQWgfqFRvp+vLZ0hGGjqchxPSw6lZcWKJFPGE3e9symhC8ri2bw5yK3ETUGs35FkslVwHlVtYRRrie2CAJb8M/Jr4bfpvuT/euPznc4jtulAt+B1wzxcvts/Q9kZk3ZAH9peXTEuNrFlH6lz94iEx//4cq3ORob4nuatOAFpHpD8jsLlxuklxO9Bqi8NIY7fYf9jWDEfU93lK1iC+gVY5pRTDnEP9m1wKFSN1FtiJpSxSI2/7ANV8rG3OUmgmJedj3hwjw8pnyB2Ei32GHPjyTXy2kuzqAAdK2moqicwLGabNQGZ8K1o8QQdYOM/6qgwSmWMd05

What the hell? They all look like fantastic internships for someone straight out of college that they would have absolutely no chance of getting if it wasn't in the this programme

markfdrums

the fund administrator role makes me angry. that will be someone in front of a spreadsheet all day crunching numbers. No learning at all.. some of these jobs were paid two weeks ago, no doubt about it.

Im pretty angry at the sheer rip-off nature of this scheme.

markfdrums

28064212 wrote: »

What the hell? They all look like fantastic internships for someone straight out of college that they would have absolutely no chance of getting if it wasn't in the this programme

you serious?? have you read some of the "qualifications needed" they want a QUALIFIED person to do the role whilst dressing it up as "training"...

Its awful and as for that extra 50 quid a week? great 5er a day for lunch and 5er a day for transport, cheers

28064212

markfdrums wrote: »

you serious?? have you read some of the "qualifications needed" they want a QUALIFIED person to do the role whilst dressing it up as "training"...

Qualified? Yes. Experienced? No. A degree on it's own is virtually useless in many areas of the employment market at the moment when there are dozens of equally qualified and much more experienced people all applying for the same position. Do you understand what an internship is?

markfdrums

"Applicants should have excellent administration skills and the ability to work on their own initiative on a pro-active basis. He/She will have excellent interpersonal and organisational skills and discretion in dealing with matters of a confidential nature. Also required is the ability to work with a high degree of accuracy within tight deadlines, strong PC skills (e.g. Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Access) and the ability to communicate and relate well to internal and external clients at all level"

taken from an intern job....

28064212

markfdrums wrote: »

"Applicants should have excellent administration skills and the ability to work on their own initiative on a pro-active basis. He/She will have excellent interpersonal and organisational skills and discretion in dealing with matters of a confidential nature. Also required is the ability to work with a high degree of accuracy within tight deadlines, strong PC skills (e.g. Word, Excel, PowerPoint, Access) and the ability to communicate and relate well to internal and external clients at all level"

taken from an intern job....

....and? I had all those coming out of college (or at least the ability to claim that my college projects gave me those attributes). Haven't you ever seen a job spec before?

markfdrums

where does it say willing to learn???

Sweatynutsack

Surely the fact that you may be offered a position in 9 months time and offered a half decent wage with it means more to someone rather than sitting at home doing sweet Fa. Its typical attitude, we had it so good for so long that nobody recongnises the fact that the government is trying to help (however small it is) !! What other options are their ??

markfdrums

London is 40 minutes away. Anyone with some of the skills required in these job "specs" would be foolish to waste their time out in Ballymount or whatever. Just hop on a plane and start earning cash. This country is on its way to being deep in the toilet and FAS (with their amazing track record) are making sure its fast-tracked by facilitating this rip-off scam

markfdrums

catering manager job. intern? seriously people stop being so naive to think a company is doing an unemployed person a favour by offering them an intern job in this. its a paid job end of story.

28064212

markfdrums wrote: »

catering manager job. intern? seriously people stop being so naive to think a company is doing an unemployed person a favour by offering them an intern job in this. its a paid job end of story.

If it's supposed to be a paid job then no-one will take the internship. Problem solved

PCPhoto

markfdrums wrote: »

London is 40 minutes away. Anyone with some of the skills required in these job "specs" would be foolish to waste their time out in Ballymount or whatever. Just hop on a plane and start earning cash. This country is on its way to being deep in the toilet and FAS (with their amazing track record) are making sure its fast-tracked by facilitating this rip-off scam

by all means - practice what you preach.

for many people the concept of working (even if they only receive "dole money") is better than sitting on their ar$e.

Some people do want to be lazy and some people expect that the government and tax payer should pay for their lifestyles - others do want to actually do something with their lives and have careers, everyone knows that experience is worth a lot more than a qualification.... too many "dole spongers" too comfortable in their lives to want to get off their ar$es and work (unless they are getting a lot more money)

Yes - it is a disgrace that companies who post millions/billions of annual profit are allowed to hire "free labour" - but have a look at ANY internship, college graduates trip over each other applying for paid/unpaid internships because the experience is invaluable.

Knowledge is the key to success - people will hardly gain experience from the comfort of your couch.... people need to get out there and learn new trades, learn new processes and learn new techniques.

Lux23

Sweatynutsack wrote: »

Surely the fact that you may be offered a position in 9 months time and offered a half decent wage with it means more to someone rather than sitting at home doing sweet Fa. Its typical attitude, we had it so good for so long that nobody recongnises the fact that the government is trying to help (however small it is) !! What other options are their ??

But there is nothing to encourage employers to take people on after their nine months are up, its a good scheme for graduates who have little or no work experience and thats who it should be aimed at. It should not be used so hardware stores can get free manual labour.

Also I am assuming you are employed? Schemes like this undermine your position and salary scale, if your employer can get someone in to do your job he may well do it. This is happening right now in Ireland and people just don't see how dangerous it all is.

Lux23

PCPhoto wrote: »

by all means - practice what you preach.

Knowledge is the key to success - people will hardly gain experience from the comfort of your couch.... people need to get out there and learn new trades, learn new processes and learn new techniques.

I agree but why shouldn't they receive a decent wage from the employer while learning these new skills, why should taxpayers foot the bill?

markfdrums

my idea of an intership for a qualified graduate is a job in a lab thats difficult to get into or a job in the media etc..

some of these jobs are clerical / admin jobs that companies are using to gain free labour as they know the desperation people are feeling. they are preying on peoples desperation.

in terms of "sitting on their @rse", people should forgo career progression and get a cleaning job to at least do a job where they are getting paid.

i've been looking on fas for a month, and i'm telling you now - some of these "now called intern jobs" were paid jobs a month ago.

its bandwagon stuff where some hr guy is getting praised by management for getting some free labour.

disgrace

markfdrums

my dad used to always say "an honest days pay for an honest days work"

and he's been working in Ireland through the 60's/70's/80's bad times.

its murky waters we're in now with this rubbish

markfdrums

Im seriously angry, think a call to Joe is in order!!

for instance, if some of these admin / clerical "intern" jobs had on their spec:

Must be willing to learn how to use excel / powerpoint etc.. must be able to take direction..etc..

then i'd say fine. someone who worked in a factory or whatever is getting free excel training that would stay with them for life, fair enough.. but the companies arent..

they're looking for fully trained people to come in and hit the ground running... i'd say they are brought in and landed at a desk and told get working..

aaarrgghh

Jarren

Ms Burton said companies would be vetted and interns would not be exploited. The scheme administrator will have the right to review cases in the event of reports that existing employees are being displaced by interns. JobBridge will be administered by the employment services division of Fás, which is in the process of being transferred to the Department of Social Protection.

http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/ireland/2011/0630/1224299793112.html


This statement is just so,so wrong

sendit

On a unrelated matter with the FAS jobs site. Has anyone noticed how little information thre is about jobs on it? Some more or less have none at all

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My thoughts on the internships seem to be a bit different to others here. I would have thought that the internships advertised for graduates etc would be exactly what they should be used for.

Qualified person has no chance of getting job in their field, but the internship offers experience. All good?

It's this type of one that gets to me. An internship as a Kitchen Porter? "The successful candidate will gain experience as a kitchen porter in busy kitchen environment". Kitchen porter is basically washing up and doing all the background work. Is that really opening up a big opportunity for the person? Or giving the hotel some free labour?

Wading through page after page of similar. I have a job, but can imagine how damn frustrating it must be for someone who is stuck for work.

Lux23

markfdrums wrote: »

in terms of "sitting on their @rse", people should forgo career progression and get a cleaning job to at least do a job where they are getting paid.

Except there are now cleaning internships!!

sendit

elviscostello wrote: »

My thoughts on the internships seem to be a bit different to others here. I would have thought that the internships advertised for graduates etc would be exactly what they should be used for.

Qualified person has no chance of getting job in their field, but the internship offers experience. All good?

It's this type of one that gets to me. An internship as a Kitchen Porter? "The successful candidate will gain experience as a kitchen porter in busy kitchen environment". Kitchen porter is basically washing up and doing all the background work. Is that really opening up a big opportunity for the person? Or giving the hotel some free labour?

Wading through page after page of similar. I have a job, but can imagine how damn frustrating it must be for someone who is stuck for work.

That is a bit of a joke in all fairness

markfdrums

It would be great if someone could now explain what the difference between the WPP and the Internship is??

ahal

sendit wrote: »

On a unrelated matter with the FAS jobs site. Has anyone noticed how little information thre is about jobs on it? Some more or less have none at all

There is no quality control with FAS jobs, so this is unsurprising really. Anyone with a mobile phone or a website can advertise on FAS it seems.

sendit

ahal wrote: »

There is no quality control with FAS jobs, so this is unsurprising really. Anyone with a mobile phone or a website can advertise on FAS it seems.

That pretty much seems to be it alright.

markfdrums

to be honest you could say the same about 90% of all the other sites too.

Fas used to be a place that at least had real employers and very few agents..

now its just a place where real employers go to get free workers.

sendit

markfdrums wrote: »

to be honest you could say the same about 90% of all the other sites too.

Fas used to be a place that at least had real employers and very few agents..

now its just a place where real employers go to get free workers.

At least the other sites give you information on the job. Iv seen jobs on the FAS site that might just say ''Sales Rep required in Kerry'' and thats it not another thing