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Could females have more raw brainpower than males on average? Mod warn #34

  • 17-08-2010 1:12pm
    #1
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭SuperInfinity


    Note: This does NOT mean that females are usually "right" in an argument or that females choose the smartest options in life etc., any more than it means a person who happened to get a high IQ would. There are many fundamentalist religious zealots out there or savants with a lot of raw brainpower who clearly aren't very rational or smart in their outlooks on life, and it would just be a marginal difference anyway.

    I'm not claiming that females DO have more raw brainpower, I'm saying they could have.

    Evidence for:

    1) Females do better at nearly everything in the leaving cert. A lot of it could be due to males not caring, however even when you consider who got A1s in each subject females come out on top. I was shocked to see yesterday that a higher percentage of females got A1 and a much higher percentage got A2 in Physics. http://www.examinations.ie/statistics/statistics_2009/leaving_certificate_higher_level_gender_statistics_2009.pdf Now you might say "a lot more males took it, it was only the best females at physics that took it so their percentage is higher". However with biology it's the exact opposite. "but biology is a memory subject"..... eh... the excuses begin to pile up don't they? I don't like to say this as a male, but for me this is good evidence that girls have more raw brainpower.

    2. I think a lot of boys hate the fact that girls are better than them, so they do a lot of work in math and physics. A lot of girls probably "allow" males to have their math and physics as well. No, not a big conscious effort to do it, I mean subconscious connections over it. Once again, I KNOW that females study a lot more overall, HOWEVER that doesn't account for them outperforming boys almost everywhere.

    3. Girls are known to be better at reading than males, at every level, not just boys who hate reading.

    Evidence against:

    1. Males outperform females at higher levels of scientific/mathematical accomplishment. - True, however a lot of the time these things rely on going down certain "corridors" in life that females aren't willing to go down. Males can certainly get more "hardcore" about subjects than females. However I do not like arguments saying that "girls are not allowed in the all-boys club" as I think that's unfair to males and even if there's a grain of truth to it, it definitely does not account for all of it. If women were really as good in this way then you'd have some of them breaking through even in the worst times of repression, perhaps pretending they were men initially or something like that.

    2. Males form the elite levels of things like chess, mathematics competitions, quiz competitions, IQ tests etc. - Yes, but it could be about going down "corridors" in life, with extra testosterone to back them up. We can say males don't bother with the leaving cert, well maybe in this instance females don't bother as much as some males do?


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,562 ✭✭✭✭Cookie_Monster


    no, don't be silly. Men are clearly better ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,327 ✭✭✭Sykk


    Yes based on leaving cert 2009 means the average of every human being in the Country.

    Also, you say "Evidence", then provide no evidence but your own opinion.. What is this I don't even


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,495 ✭✭✭Mr. Presentable


    Evidence for:

    1) Females do better at nearly everything in the leaving cert.

    Could it be down to the fact that girls do four hours study for every hour boys do?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Banned Account


    tl;dr - so yes, probably.

    What was the question?

    Nah, forget it.

    *faps*


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    women are educated idiots,when presented with an actual real life problem they panic

    User banned for this post, biko


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 34,182 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    I just doubt it..



    , but maybe :eek::eek::eek:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,918 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    Are they more intelligent or better studiers


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,976 ✭✭✭Brendog


    I believe this like preists believe The Theory of Evolution...



    "Its probaby true, but I'm not going to admit it"


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,812 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    Wise females rule! They know the quickest way to a man's heart is found immediately above or below his belt. ;)


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Wise females rule! They know the quickest way to a man's heart is found immediately above or below his belt. ;)

    however,who is the real winner in this situation?


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,739 ✭✭✭✭starbelgrade


    Wise females rule! They know the quickest way to a man's heart is found immediately above or below his belt. ;)

    I keep mine in my sock. :D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,386 ✭✭✭monkeypants


    I have no doubt that women could have more raw brainpower, as you put it. But then they clog their pretty little heads up with gossip, America's/Britain's/Australia's Next Top Model and Heat magazine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7,510 ✭✭✭Hazys



    2. I think a lot of boys hate the fact that girls are better than them, so they do a lot of work in math and physics. A lot of girls probably "allow" males to have their math and physics as well. No, not a big conscious effort to do it, I mean subconscious connections over it. Once again, I KNOW that females study a lot more overall, HOWEVER that doesn't account for them outperforming boys almost everywhere.

    lol boys just hate the fact that the girls are better than them so they only work hard in maths and physics, to stop them?!??! And the girls allow them to do well just in those two to give them something...wow

    Any facts to back that statement up?



    Anyway, girls have cootties...so there.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,010 ✭✭✭✭Cuddlesworth


    But women don't take risks. Not to the extent of men. And if you want to properly succeed a leap of faith is required. Its the reason men still dominate in every industry.

    That and maternity leave/quitting to look after the children.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭clived2


    women are just trying hard now because they know they will be housewives
    for the rest of their lives

    Us men got to do this thinking work, for the rest of our lives


















    lol only joking, the look on your face though was priceless


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,198 ✭✭✭strokemyclover


    Tee hee hee! OP said females aren't willing to go down

    *Plays with ball of wool*


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 432 ✭✭Kinky Slinky


    Define
    raw brainpower
    I think a lot of boys hate the fact that girls are better than them, so they do a lot of work in math and physics
    Personal opinion , no scientific evidence to back it up
    A lot of girls probably "allow" males to have their math and physics as well. No, not a big conscious effort to do it, I mean subconscious connections over it
    Why would their subconscious allow them to out preform males in every other subject but mathematics. I need to see a scientific link to believe this.

    Your argument is full of opinion with no scientific basis


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭scientific1982


    Male brains have an advantage over female brains when it comes to math and physics, spatial awareness and all that. Women are way better at languages and have a superior memory on average.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,351 ✭✭✭✭starlit


    Yes its possible, we probably can pack a lot more into our brains than the average male who dismisses information in general!


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,464 ✭✭✭Celly Smunt


    Yes its possible, we probably can pack a lot more into our brains than the average male who dismisses information in general!

    same with mouths


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭SuperInfinity


    Hazys wrote: »
    lol boys just hate the fact that the girls are better than them so they only work hard in maths and physics, to stop them?!??! And the girls allow them to do well just in those two to give them something...wow

    Any facts to back that statement up?



    Anyway, girls have cootties...so there.

    ermm.... I could probably have put that better, what I meant was "boys must find it annoying that girls do better in the leaving cert, so they are probably more motivated to beat them on math, physics and chemistry".

    Yeah, I stand by that point, I know it pushed me a little more towards studying Physics and Math a little harder than I might have. Of course it's just speculation but I think it could have an effect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    Yes its possible, we probably can pack a lot more into our brains

    Well there was a lot more empty space there to start with.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 438 ✭✭Cullen82


    Who cares, Boys just wanna have fun.




    And girls dont cry:p


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭laugh


    Considering that a lot of them don't seem to be able to tell guys where their own g-spot is I doubt it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,397 ✭✭✭Herbal Deity


    What the hell is "raw brainpower"?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,326 ✭✭✭Scuid Mhór


    no, don't be silly. Men are clearly better ;)

    case closed gentlemen. good debate but i think you'll find we edged out in the end.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,314 ✭✭✭sink


    I think it comes down to women being better generalists and males being better specialists. Women I find tend to have a better balance of interests, focusing not on one particular area but becoming adept in many. Men on the other hand tend to become obsessed with their chosen field and focus entirely on it and little on everything else. You rarely find women spending all day in a shed tinkering with their favourite hobby, there's too many other things that need doing. A man is quiet happy to forget about everything else and focus on his one obsession.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    pmcmahon wrote: »
    women are educated idiots,when presented with an actual real life problem they panic
    pmcmahon wrote: »
    however,who is the real winner in this situation?
    pmcmahon wrote: »
    same with mouths

    Your misogyny tires me.
    Take some time off.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,015 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    What the hell is "raw brainpower"?

    It's for non-cooking related tasks.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,215 ✭✭✭Mrmoe


    If you are talking about intelligence then you can not simply focus on one particular area of intelligence. It is not just about academic ability or social ability, it is the combination of the entire spectrum of brain power. A person could understand a subject area better than anyone else but if they can not communicate or explain that knowledge would they be classed as intelligent? Women definitely outperform men on certain areas of brain power but you can not just take one area and say they are smarter or more intelligent.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 325 ✭✭flashforward


    In the past 2years Ive been in a car with 3 separate women who had trouble reversing, as in they didn't know whether to turn the wheel right or left when reversing into a spot.

    Talking to others about this it seems to be a common problem with females :eek:.

    The above is only one reason why I believe women do not have 'more raw brainpower' than men.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,226 ✭✭✭✭Pherekydes


    Evidence for:

    1) Females do better at nearly everything in the leaving cert. A lot of it could be due to males not caring, however even when you consider who got A1s in each subject females come out on top. I was shocked to see yesterday that a higher percentage of females got A1 and a much higher percentage got A2 in Physics.

    Why would you bias your opinion by using Physics as an example? Why not bias it (the other direction) by using A1s and A2s in Mathematics?
    Evidence against:

    1. Males outperform females at higher levels of scientific/mathematical accomplishment.

    Does the term 'child rearing' ring any bells at this point?
    2. Males form the elite levels of things like chess...

    Far more boys play chess competitively than girls. Statistically, they are far more likely to form the elite. Study. In Germany, male chess players outnumber female players by 16:1.

    In short, opportunity makes a huge difference.

    A very crucial point from that study is this:
    Nevertheless, about 96% of the actual difference between genders could be explained by the statistical fact that the extreme values from a large sample are likely to be larger than those from a small one.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    OK, henceforth please try to discuss the topic at hand without trying to discredit any gender or "women can't park lolz"/"kitchen" comments.
    I'll probably ban you if you do.

    The topic is: are women more intelligent than men?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,160 ✭✭✭Kimono-Girl


    Pherekydes wrote: »

    Far more boys play chess competitively than girls. Statistically, they are far more likely to form the elite. Study. In Germany, male chess players outnumber female players by 16:1.

    In short, opportunity makes a huge difference.

    :

    My OH (male) played chess competitively in secondary (all boys) he used win lots too, we never had the opportunity to play in ours (mixed sex secondary) however i played (and won) frequently at home.

    i have yet to beat my OH.

    although he was tested intellectually and he was in the top 4 in Ireland!

    however he would consider me to be on a par intellectually and educationally he underperformed as much as i did in the LC...In fact i did a better leaving cert.

    both of us are rubbish at languages both of us excel within mathematics/Science/computers...etc

    in non-educational environments e.g caring for our child he is as skilled if not more than me at Tasks considered 'Female' dominant where i would be as skilled as him in 'male' dominated tasks...

    in my opinion men and women are 50-50 brain power wise with both sexes being matched at the higher and lower intelligence scale!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 14,547 ✭✭✭✭Poor Uncle Tom


    ....he was tested intellectually and he was in the top 4 in Ireland!

    That's one powerful candle....:p


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,553 ✭✭✭Banned Account


    although he was tested intellectually and he was in the top 4 in Ireland!

    Anyone who say this as fact is definately not in the top of the country.:rolleyes:

    The top four of whom? Other people tested - what if the other three were pieces of fruit or small rodents???


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,160 ✭✭✭Kimono-Girl


    That's one powerful candle....

    Burns at both ends ;)
    Anyone who say this as fact is definately not in the top of the country.:rolleyes:

    he didn't tell me, his mother did, and i didn't believe her either but sure enough he is...:(

    The top four of whom? Other people tested - what if the other three were pieces of fruit or small rodents???

    Tee hee i said that too :D

    its some stupid intelligence test they do that i mysteriously haven't heard of....although i vaguely remember being set one of those aptitude tests in 2nd year.

    but it doesn't make a difference to me i still beat him at scrabble!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,556 ✭✭✭Nolanger


    Males form the elite levels of things like chess, mathematics competitions, quiz competitions, IQ tests etc.
    Don't forget cookery and fashion design too. :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 12,351 ✭✭✭✭starlit


    Not every woman wants to be a housewife ya know like! Some do of course would like to be one, or that other women are more career minded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,237 ✭✭✭Owwmykneecap


    There's more male geniuses but there also more male (almost) retards.

    Swings and roundabouts, the only question which matters anyway, is not about your sex as a whole, but are you personally a dumb **** or not.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    My girlfriend is adamant that if all world leaders were women we would've had nuclear war by now.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    Note: This does NOT mean that females are usually "right" in an argument or that females choose the smartest options in life etc., any more than it means a person who happened to get a high IQ would. There are many fundamentalist religious zealots out there or savants with a lot of raw brainpower who clearly aren't very rational or smart in their outlooks on life, and it would just be a marginal difference anyway.

    I'm not claiming that females DO have more raw brainpower, I'm saying they could have.

    Evidence for:

    1) Females do better at nearly everything in the leaving cert. A lot of it could be due to males not caring, however even when you consider who got A1s in each subject females come out on top. I was shocked to see yesterday that a higher percentage of females got A1 and a much higher percentage got A2 in Physics. http://www.examinations.ie/statistics/statistics_2009/leaving_certificate_higher_level_gender_statistics_2009.pdf Now you might say "a lot more males took it, it was only the best females at physics that took it so their percentage is higher". However with biology it's the exact opposite. "but biology is a memory subject"..... eh... the excuses begin to pile up don't they? I don't like to say this as a male, but for me this is good evidence that girls have more raw brainpower.

    2. I think a lot of boys hate the fact that girls are better than them, so they do a lot of work in math and physics. A lot of girls probably "allow" males to have their math and physics as well. No, not a big conscious effort to do it, I mean subconscious connections over it. Once again, I KNOW that females study a lot more overall, HOWEVER that doesn't account for them outperforming boys almost everywhere.

    3. Girls are known to be better at reading than males, at every level, not just boys who hate reading.

    Evidence against:

    1. Males outperform females at higher levels of scientific/mathematical accomplishment. - True, however a lot of the time these things rely on going down certain "corridors" in life that females aren't willing to go down. Males can certainly get more "hardcore" about subjects than females. However I do not like arguments saying that "girls are not allowed in the all-boys club" as I think that's unfair to males and even if there's a grain of truth to it, it definitely does not account for all of it. If women were really as good in this way then you'd have some of them breaking through even in the worst times of repression, perhaps pretending they were men initially or something like that.

    2. Males form the elite levels of things like chess, mathematics competitions, quiz competitions, IQ tests etc. - Yes, but it could be about going down "corridors" in life, with extra testosterone to back them up. We can say males don't bother with the leaving cert, well maybe in this instance females don't bother as much as some males do?

    I'm doing a degree now where there's quite a lot of maths and physics. Most of the people on the course are male. When I was in school, most of the people in the higher math and higher physics were male and I can distinctly remember that the people with the highest marks in the class were male in both subject.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,132 ✭✭✭Killer Pigeon


    There's more male geniuses but there also more male (almost) retards.

    Swings and roundabouts, the only question which matters anyway, is not about your sex as a whole, but are you personally a dumb **** or not.

    Very true, there only one famous female scientist that I've heard of (apart from Marie Curie), her name is Lisa Randall and she's a theoretical physicist.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 546 ✭✭✭clived2


    biko wrote: »
    OK, henceforth please try to discuss the topic at hand without trying to discredit any gender or "women can't park lolz"/"kitchen" comments.
    I'll probably ban you if you do.

    The topic is: are women more intelligent than men?


    How you possibly discuss"are women more intelligent than men" without discrediting any gender

    Even to suggest one is more intelligent than the other is discrediting.

    Oh and go ahead and ban me for discrediting your opinion,

    Communist Russia had more free speech







    To save us both some time

    Your Reply

    I stated no more of the typical kitchen/ parking steroypes which are

    unfair on women.A civil discussion where valid reasoned points are made, is what is required
    (In my retraction I point out this is After Hours)

    This isnt a free speech forum, we have rules and a charter,

    Your banned


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 959 ✭✭✭changes


    At the very very top of the leaving cert scale where you have students getting 8 or 9 A!'s. Normally there is only one or 2 each year.

    Which gender gets this the most??

    I don't actually know but it would be a good yardstick because only those that are applying themselves 100% will achieve this.... therefore the old excuse that boys study less etc shouldn't matter.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,038 ✭✭✭sponsoredwalk


    I hope this result contributes to ending the horrible social perceptions about
    women that society seems to be full of but OP I don't think you arguing
    women have more of this magic raw brainpower is a good example of this raw
    brainpower in action ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 685 ✭✭✭Carlos_Ray


    Note: This does NOT mean that females are usually "right" in an argument or that females choose the smartest options in life etc., any more than it means a person who happened to get a high IQ would. There are many fundamentalist religious zealots out there or savants with a lot of raw brainpower who clearly aren't very rational or smart in their outlooks on life, and it would just be a marginal difference anyway.

    I'm not claiming that females DO have more raw brainpower, I'm saying they could have.

    Evidence for:

    1) Females do better at nearly everything in the leaving cert. A lot of it could be due to males not caring, however even when you consider who got A1s in each subject females come out on top. I was shocked to see yesterday that a higher percentage of females got A1 and a much higher percentage got A2 in Physics. http://www.examinations.ie/statistics/statistics_2009/leaving_certificate_higher_level_gender_statistics_2009.pdf Now you might say "a lot more males took it, it was only the best females at physics that took it so their percentage is higher". However with biology it's the exact opposite. "but biology is a memory subject"..... eh... the excuses begin to pile up don't they? I don't like to say this as a male, but for me this is good evidence that girls have more raw brainpower.

    2. I think a lot of boys hate the fact that girls are better than them, so they do a lot of work in math and physics. A lot of girls probably "allow" males to have their math and physics as well. No, not a big conscious effort to do it, I mean subconscious connections over it. Once again, I KNOW that females study a lot more overall, HOWEVER that doesn't account for them outperforming boys almost everywhere.

    3. Girls are known to be better at reading than males, at every level, not just boys who hate reading.

    Evidence against:

    1. Males outperform females at higher levels of scientific/mathematical accomplishment. - True, however a lot of the time these things rely on going down certain "corridors" in life that females aren't willing to go down. Males can certainly get more "hardcore" about subjects than females. However I do not like arguments saying that "girls are not allowed in the all-boys club" as I think that's unfair to males and even if there's a grain of truth to it, it definitely does not account for all of it. If women were really as good in this way then you'd have some of them breaking through even in the worst times of repression, perhaps pretending they were men initially or something like that.

    2. Males form the elite levels of things like chess, mathematics competitions, quiz competitions, IQ tests etc. - Yes, but it could be about going down "corridors" in life, with extra testosterone to back them up. We can say males don't bother with the leaving cert, well maybe in this instance females don't bother as much as some males do?


    Evidence against: A girl posted the above.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 81,219 ✭✭✭✭biko


    Ok here's my view: men aren't generally more intelligent than women but the type of intelligence they have that are generally better than women (spatial/mathematical) is better valued in the current world view.

    Good small read here for you on spatial awareness.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,449 ✭✭✭SuperInfinity


    Carlos_Ray wrote: »
    Evidence against: A girl posted the above.

    Evidence for: My post is what was above the above.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,728 ✭✭✭dilallio


    Mark Gungor summarises the difference between mens' & womens' brains very well in his funny routine 'A Tale of Two Brains'



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