Could females have more raw brainpower than males on average? Mod warn #34

SuperInfinity

Note: This does NOT mean that females are usually "right" in an argument or that females choose the smartest options in life etc., any more than it means a person who happened to get a high IQ would. There are many fundamentalist religious zealots out there or savants with a lot of raw brainpower who clearly aren't very rational or smart in their outlooks on life, and it would just be a marginal difference anyway.

I'm not claiming that females DO have more raw brainpower, I'm saying they could have.

Evidence for:

1) Females do better at nearly everything in the leaving cert. A lot of it could be due to males not caring, however even when you consider who got A1s in each subject females come out on top. I was shocked to see yesterday that a higher percentage of females got A1 and a much higher percentage got A2 in Physics. http://www.examinations.ie/statistics/statistics_2009/leaving_certificate_higher_level_gender_statistics_2009.pdf Now you might say "a lot more males took it, it was only the best females at physics that took it so their percentage is higher". However with biology it's the exact opposite. "but biology is a memory subject"..... eh... the excuses begin to pile up don't they? I don't like to say this as a male, but for me this is good evidence that girls have more raw brainpower.

2. I think a lot of boys hate the fact that girls are better than them, so they do a lot of work in math and physics. A lot of girls probably "allow" males to have their math and physics as well. No, not a big conscious effort to do it, I mean subconscious connections over it. Once again, I KNOW that females study a lot more overall, HOWEVER that doesn't account for them outperforming boys almost everywhere.

3. Girls are known to be better at reading than males, at every level, not just boys who hate reading.

Evidence against:

1. Males outperform females at higher levels of scientific/mathematical accomplishment. - True, however a lot of the time these things rely on going down certain "corridors" in life that females aren't willing to go down. Males can certainly get more "hardcore" about subjects than females. However I do not like arguments saying that "girls are not allowed in the all-boys club" as I think that's unfair to males and even if there's a grain of truth to it, it definitely does not account for all of it. If women were really as good in this way then you'd have some of them breaking through even in the worst times of repression, perhaps pretending they were men initially or something like that.

2. Males form the elite levels of things like chess, mathematics competitions, quiz competitions, IQ tests etc. - Yes, but it could be about going down "corridors" in life, with extra testosterone to back them up. We can say males don't bother with the leaving cert, well maybe in this instance females don't bother as much as some males do?

Cookie_Monster

no, don't be silly. Men are clearly better

Sykk

Yes based on leaving cert 2009 means the average of every human being in the Country.

Also, you say "Evidence", then provide no evidence but your own opinion.. What is this I don't even

Mr. Presentable

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Evidence for:

1) Females do better at nearly everything in the leaving cert.

Could it be down to the fact that girls do four hours study for every hour boys do?

Banned Account

tl;dr - so yes, probably.

What was the question?

Nah, forget it.

*faps*

Celly Smunt

women are educated idiots,when presented with an actual real life problem they panic

User banned for this post, biko

listermint

I just doubt it..



, but maybe :eek::eek::eek:

orourkeda

Are they more intelligent or better studiers

Brendog

I believe this like preists believe The Theory of Evolution...



"Its probaby true, but I'm not going to admit it"

Black Swan

Wise females rule! They know the quickest way to a man's heart is found immediately above or below his belt.

Celly Smunt

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Wise females rule! They know the quickest way to a man's heart is found immediately above or below his belt.

however,who is the real winner in this situation?

starbelgrade

Blue_Lagoon wrote: »

Wise females rule! They know the quickest way to a man's heart is found immediately above or below his belt.

I keep mine in my sock.

monkeypants

I have no doubt that women could have more raw brainpower, as you put it. But then they clog their pretty little heads up with gossip, America's/Britain's/Australia's Next Top Model and Heat magazine.

Hazys

SuperInfinity wrote: »

2. I think a lot of boys hate the fact that girls are better than them, so they do a lot of work in math and physics. A lot of girls probably "allow" males to have their math and physics as well. No, not a big conscious effort to do it, I mean subconscious connections over it. Once again, I KNOW that females study a lot more overall, HOWEVER that doesn't account for them outperforming boys almost everywhere.

lol boys just hate the fact that the girls are better than them so they only work hard in maths and physics, to stop them?!??! And the girls allow them to do well just in those two to give them something...wow

Any facts to back that statement up?



Anyway, girls have cootties...so there.

Cuddlesworth

But women don't take risks. Not to the extent of men. And if you want to properly succeed a leap of faith is required. Its the reason men still dominate in every industry.

That and maternity leave/quitting to look after the children.

clived2

women are just trying hard now because they know they will be housewives
for the rest of their lives

Us men got to do this thinking work, for the rest of our lives


















lol only joking, the look on your face though was priceless

strokemyclover

Tee hee hee! OP said females aren't willing to go down

*Plays with ball of wool*

Kinky Slinky

Define

raw brainpower

I think a lot of boys hate the fact that girls are better than them, so they do a lot of work in math and physics

Personal opinion , no scientific evidence to back it up

A lot of girls probably "allow" males to have their math and physics as well. No, not a big conscious effort to do it, I mean subconscious connections over it

Why would their subconscious allow them to out preform males in every other subject but mathematics. I need to see a scientific link to believe this.

Your argument is full of opinion with no scientific basis

scientific1982

Male brains have an advantage over female brains when it comes to math and physics, spatial awareness and all that. Women are way better at languages and have a superior memory on average.

starlit

Yes its possible, we probably can pack a lot more into our brains than the average male who dismisses information in general!

Celly Smunt

snuggles285 wrote: »

Yes its possible, we probably can pack a lot more into our brains than the average male who dismisses information in general!

same with mouths

SuperInfinity

Hazys wrote: »

lol boys just hate the fact that the girls are better than them so they only work hard in maths and physics, to stop them?!??! And the girls allow them to do well just in those two to give them something...wow

Any facts to back that statement up?



Anyway, girls have cootties...so there.

ermm.... I could probably have put that better, what I meant was "boys must find it annoying that girls do better in the leaving cert, so they are probably more motivated to beat them on math, physics and chemistry".

Yeah, I stand by that point, I know it pushed me a little more towards studying Physics and Math a little harder than I might have. Of course it's just speculation but I think it could have an effect.

CreepingDeath

snuggles285 wrote: »

Yes its possible, we probably can pack a lot more into our brains

Well there was a lot more empty space there to start with.

Cullen82

Who cares, Boys just wanna have fun.




And girls dont cry:p

laugh

Considering that a lot of them don't seem to be able to tell guys where their own g-spot is I doubt it.

Herbal Deity

What the hell is "raw brainpower"?

Scuid Mhór

Cookie_Monster wrote: »

no, don't be silly. Men are clearly better

case closed gentlemen. good debate but i think you'll find we edged out in the end.

sink

I think it comes down to women being better generalists and males being better specialists. Women I find tend to have a better balance of interests, focusing not on one particular area but becoming adept in many. Men on the other hand tend to become obsessed with their chosen field and focus entirely on it and little on everything else. You rarely find women spending all day in a shed tinkering with their favourite hobby, there's too many other things that need doing. A man is quiet happy to forget about everything else and focus on his one obsession.

biko

pmcmahon wrote: »

women are educated idiots,when presented with an actual real life problem they panic

pmcmahon wrote: »

however,who is the real winner in this situation?

pmcmahon wrote: »

same with mouths

Your misogyny tires me.
Take some time off.

CreepingDeath

Herbal Deity wrote: »

What the hell is "raw brainpower"?

It's for non-cooking related tasks.

Mrmoe

If you are talking about intelligence then you can not simply focus on one particular area of intelligence. It is not just about academic ability or social ability, it is the combination of the entire spectrum of brain power. A person could understand a subject area better than anyone else but if they can not communicate or explain that knowledge would they be classed as intelligent? Women definitely outperform men on certain areas of brain power but you can not just take one area and say they are smarter or more intelligent.

flashforward

In the past 2years Ive been in a car with 3 separate women who had trouble reversing, as in they didn't know whether to turn the wheel right or left when reversing into a spot.

Talking to others about this it seems to be a common problem with females :eek:.

The above is only one reason why I believe women do not have 'more raw brainpower' than men.

Pherekydes

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Evidence for:

1) Females do better at nearly everything in the leaving cert. A lot of it could be due to males not caring, however even when you consider who got A1s in each subject females come out on top. I was shocked to see yesterday that a higher percentage of females got A1 and a much higher percentage got A2 in Physics.

Why would you bias your opinion by using Physics as an example? Why not bias it (the other direction) by using A1s and A2s in Mathematics?

Evidence against:

1. Males outperform females at higher levels of scientific/mathematical accomplishment.

Does the term 'child rearing' ring any bells at this point?

2. Males form the elite levels of things like chess...

Far more boys play chess competitively than girls. Statistically, they are far more likely to form the elite. Study. In Germany, male chess players outnumber female players by 16:1.

In short, opportunity makes a huge difference.

A very crucial point from that study is this:

Nevertheless, about 96% of the actual difference between genders could be explained by the statistical fact that the extreme values from a large sample are likely to be larger than those from a small one.

biko

OK, henceforth please try to discuss the topic at hand without trying to discredit any gender or "women can't park lolz"/"kitchen" comments.
I'll probably ban you if you do.

The topic is: are women more intelligent than men?

Kimono-Girl

Pherekydes wrote: »

Far more boys play chess competitively than girls. Statistically, they are far more likely to form the elite. Study. In Germany, male chess players outnumber female players by 16:1.

In short, opportunity makes a huge difference.

:

My OH (male) played chess competitively in secondary (all boys) he used win lots too, we never had the opportunity to play in ours (mixed sex secondary) however i played (and won) frequently at home.

i have yet to beat my OH.

although he was tested intellectually and he was in the top 4 in Ireland!

however he would consider me to be on a par intellectually and educationally he underperformed as much as i did in the LC...In fact i did a better leaving cert.

both of us are rubbish at languages both of us excel within mathematics/Science/computers...etc

in non-educational environments e.g caring for our child he is as skilled if not more than me at Tasks considered 'Female' dominant where i would be as skilled as him in 'male' dominated tasks...

in my opinion men and women are 50-50 brain power wise with both sexes being matched at the higher and lower intelligence scale!

Poor Uncle Tom

candlelover wrote: »

....he was tested intellectually and he was in the top 4 in Ireland!

That's one powerful candle....:p

Banned Account

candlelover wrote: »

although he was tested intellectually and he was in the top 4 in Ireland!

Anyone who say this as fact is definately not in the top of the country.:rolleyes:

The top four of whom? Other people tested - what if the other three were pieces of fruit or small rodents???

Kimono-Girl

Poor Uncle Tom wrote: »

That's one powerful candle....

Burns at both ends

Fitzcaraldo wrote: »

Anyone who say this as fact is definately not in the top of the country.:rolleyes:

he didn't tell me, his mother did, and i didn't believe her either but sure enough he is...:(

The top four of whom? Other people tested - what if the other three were pieces of fruit or small rodents???

Tee hee i said that too

its some stupid intelligence test they do that i mysteriously haven't heard of....although i vaguely remember being set one of those aptitude tests in 2nd year.

but it doesn't make a difference to me i still beat him at scrabble!

Nolanger

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Males form the elite levels of things like chess, mathematics competitions, quiz competitions, IQ tests etc.

Don't forget cookery and fashion design too.

starlit

Not every woman wants to be a housewife ya know like! Some do of course would like to be one, or that other women are more career minded.

Owwmykneecap

There's more male geniuses but there also more male (almost) retards.

Swings and roundabouts, the only question which matters anyway, is not about your sex as a whole, but are you personally a dumb **** or not.

Mr Benevolent

My girlfriend is adamant that if all world leaders were women we would've had nuclear war by now.

Killer Pigeon

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Note: This does NOT mean that females are usually "right" in an argument or that females choose the smartest options in life etc., any more than it means a person who happened to get a high IQ would. There are many fundamentalist religious zealots out there or savants with a lot of raw brainpower who clearly aren't very rational or smart in their outlooks on life, and it would just be a marginal difference anyway.

I'm not claiming that females DO have more raw brainpower, I'm saying they could have.

Evidence for:

1) Females do better at nearly everything in the leaving cert. A lot of it could be due to males not caring, however even when you consider who got A1s in each subject females come out on top. I was shocked to see yesterday that a higher percentage of females got A1 and a much higher percentage got A2 in Physics. http://www.examinations.ie/statistics/statistics_2009/leaving_certificate_higher_level_gender_statistics_2009.pdf Now you might say "a lot more males took it, it was only the best females at physics that took it so their percentage is higher". However with biology it's the exact opposite. "but biology is a memory subject"..... eh... the excuses begin to pile up don't they? I don't like to say this as a male, but for me this is good evidence that girls have more raw brainpower.

2. I think a lot of boys hate the fact that girls are better than them, so they do a lot of work in math and physics. A lot of girls probably "allow" males to have their math and physics as well. No, not a big conscious effort to do it, I mean subconscious connections over it. Once again, I KNOW that females study a lot more overall, HOWEVER that doesn't account for them outperforming boys almost everywhere.

3. Girls are known to be better at reading than males, at every level, not just boys who hate reading.

Evidence against:

1. Males outperform females at higher levels of scientific/mathematical accomplishment. - True, however a lot of the time these things rely on going down certain "corridors" in life that females aren't willing to go down. Males can certainly get more "hardcore" about subjects than females. However I do not like arguments saying that "girls are not allowed in the all-boys club" as I think that's unfair to males and even if there's a grain of truth to it, it definitely does not account for all of it. If women were really as good in this way then you'd have some of them breaking through even in the worst times of repression, perhaps pretending they were men initially or something like that.

2. Males form the elite levels of things like chess, mathematics competitions, quiz competitions, IQ tests etc. - Yes, but it could be about going down "corridors" in life, with extra testosterone to back them up. We can say males don't bother with the leaving cert, well maybe in this instance females don't bother as much as some males do?

I'm doing a degree now where there's quite a lot of maths and physics. Most of the people on the course are male. When I was in school, most of the people in the higher math and higher physics were male and I can distinctly remember that the people with the highest marks in the class were male in both subject.

Killer Pigeon

Owwmykneecap wrote: »

There's more male geniuses but there also more male (almost) retards.

Swings and roundabouts, the only question which matters anyway, is not about your sex as a whole, but are you personally a dumb **** or not.

Very true, there only one famous female scientist that I've heard of (apart from Marie Curie), her name is Lisa Randall and she's a theoretical physicist.

clived2

biko wrote: »

OK, henceforth please try to discuss the topic at hand without trying to discredit any gender or "women can't park lolz"/"kitchen" comments.
I'll probably ban you if you do.

The topic is: are women more intelligent than men?

How you possibly discuss"are women more intelligent than men" without discrediting any gender

Even to suggest one is more intelligent than the other is discrediting.

Oh and go ahead and ban me for discrediting your opinion,

Communist Russia had more free speech







To save us both some time

Your Reply

I stated no more of the typical kitchen/ parking steroypes which are

unfair on women.A civil discussion where valid reasoned points are made, is what is required
(In my retraction I point out this is After Hours)

This isnt a free speech forum, we have rules and a charter,

Your banned

changes

At the very very top of the leaving cert scale where you have students getting 8 or 9 A!'s. Normally there is only one or 2 each year.

Which gender gets this the most??

I don't actually know but it would be a good yardstick because only those that are applying themselves 100% will achieve this.... therefore the old excuse that boys study less etc shouldn't matter.

sponsoredwalk

I hope this result contributes to ending the horrible social perceptions about
women that society seems to be full of but OP I don't think you arguing
women have more of this magic raw brainpower is a good example of this raw
brainpower in action

Carlos_Ray

SuperInfinity wrote: »

Note: This does NOT mean that females are usually "right" in an argument or that females choose the smartest options in life etc., any more than it means a person who happened to get a high IQ would. There are many fundamentalist religious zealots out there or savants with a lot of raw brainpower who clearly aren't very rational or smart in their outlooks on life, and it would just be a marginal difference anyway.

I'm not claiming that females DO have more raw brainpower, I'm saying they could have.

Evidence for:

1) Females do better at nearly everything in the leaving cert. A lot of it could be due to males not caring, however even when you consider who got A1s in each subject females come out on top. I was shocked to see yesterday that a higher percentage of females got A1 and a much higher percentage got A2 in Physics. http://www.examinations.ie/statistics/statistics_2009/leaving_certificate_higher_level_gender_statistics_2009.pdf Now you might say "a lot more males took it, it was only the best females at physics that took it so their percentage is higher". However with biology it's the exact opposite. "but biology is a memory subject"..... eh... the excuses begin to pile up don't they? I don't like to say this as a male, but for me this is good evidence that girls have more raw brainpower.

2. I think a lot of boys hate the fact that girls are better than them, so they do a lot of work in math and physics. A lot of girls probably "allow" males to have their math and physics as well. No, not a big conscious effort to do it, I mean subconscious connections over it. Once again, I KNOW that females study a lot more overall, HOWEVER that doesn't account for them outperforming boys almost everywhere.

3. Girls are known to be better at reading than males, at every level, not just boys who hate reading.

Evidence against:

1. Males outperform females at higher levels of scientific/mathematical accomplishment. - True, however a lot of the time these things rely on going down certain "corridors" in life that females aren't willing to go down. Males can certainly get more "hardcore" about subjects than females. However I do not like arguments saying that "girls are not allowed in the all-boys club" as I think that's unfair to males and even if there's a grain of truth to it, it definitely does not account for all of it. If women were really as good in this way then you'd have some of them breaking through even in the worst times of repression, perhaps pretending they were men initially or something like that.

2. Males form the elite levels of things like chess, mathematics competitions, quiz competitions, IQ tests etc. - Yes, but it could be about going down "corridors" in life, with extra testosterone to back them up. We can say males don't bother with the leaving cert, well maybe in this instance females don't bother as much as some males do?

Evidence against: A girl posted the above.

biko

Ok here's my view: men aren't generally more intelligent than women but the type of intelligence they have that are generally better than women (spatial/mathematical) is better valued in the current world view.

Good small read here for you on spatial awareness.

SuperInfinity

Carlos_Ray wrote: »

Evidence against: A girl posted the above.

Evidence for: My post is what was above the above.

dilallio

Mark Gungor summarises the difference between mens' & womens' brains very well in his funny routine 'A Tale of Two Brains'

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxtUH_bHBxs