Mark Chapman

100gSoma

I see Lennons killer is up for parole... yet again! zzz. I don't think he should ever get out. He is only 55, plus it's insulting and pain inducing to the living members of Lennons family if he is let walk now. Unacceptable. He will be in danger himself if he is released anyway. Pointless.

In his parole board hearing in 2004 he described his plans, if paroled, as follows: "I would immediately try to find a job, and I really want to go from place to place, at least in the state, church to church, and tell people what happened to me and point them the way to Christ."
Yep, sounds perfectly normal to me.. NOT. Obviously an idiot. what parole board wants to hear a convicted murderer say they plan to go from "place to place" upon release.

http://www.independent.ie/breaking-news/world-news/lennon-killer-still-a-threat-yoko-2286825.html

Ian Beale

Murderers here can get out in half that time, that's what's really pointless.

bonerm

Watch out Ringo!

biko

30 years is enough, now let him live a little.
If that will even be possible after so long in jail.

stovelid

He's done (more than) his time and if he is not assessed to be a danger, he should get parole.

I loved Lennon, but that said, you can't say that a celebrity life is better than a normal life, although I can see that a great artist being taken from the world is terrible.

Royal Seahawk

The Beatles are dying in the wrong order.

bonerm

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

The Beatles are dying in the wrong order.

Nope. Paul died first. Then John , the best-beatle George and finally lovable Richard Starkey (2012).

8mv

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

The Beatles are dying in the wrong order.

That's quite a nasty statement, Royal.

robinph

The only reason to keep him in is to prevent some other crazy from then going and killing him once he is out. If it's determined that he has done his time and is not a danger to anyone else then there isn't any reason to keep him locked up though, just they will have to spend even more on sorting him a new identity to protect the public from themselves.

WindSock

Royal Seahawk wrote: »

The Beatles are dying in the wrong order.

Indeed. He killed the wrong one.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4JPHNuAAZDE

Tony_Yeboah

I agree that his life would proably be in danger if he was released. Imagine (no pun intended) all the crazy Beatle fans looking for revenge!

20Cent

Must post him Jedwards new album.

General Zod

He did John Lennon PLC (a Yoko Ono subsidary) a favour by martyring him.

The guy has served his time, he should be let out. The only reason he has been kept in so long is because of who he shot, not what he did.

Robbo

I really want Ringo to be last man standing. I wish the Fat Controller would release Mark Chapman", chuffed Thomas to Edward.

100gSoma

so the consensus is let the guy out to live the remainder (maybe 20 or 25 years) of his life, he has done his time.
I would not be so liberal. He premeditated and murdered someone. I don't think he should be out just because he is no longer dangerous. I could murder someone today and in 2 years time be judged "not a danger to society". should I be out and about? If you take a life, you should pay the ultimate price. life in prison. you've taken someones life. Thats it. They are gone. whats that you say? mistake? reformed? ok so. off you go sir.

Kasabian

biko wrote: »

30 years is enough, now let him live a little.
If that will even be possible after so long in jail.

How can you say that when he has murdered someone . The least he can do is see out his days in prison.
John Lennon can't come back after 30 years.

Lemegeton

i think this needs a similar approach to the scum who killed james bolger. if he is released he will never be safe and would need a new identity.

natsuko

''when the world's overrun, by too many bands, who's it time for? Mark Chapman!''

General Zod

100gSoma wrote: »

so the consensus is let the guy out to live the remainder (maybe 20 or 25 years) of his life, he has done his time.
I would not be so liberal. He premeditated and murdered someone. I don't think he should be out just because he is no longer dangerous. I could murder someone today and in 2 years time be judged "not a danger to society". should I be out and about? If you take a life, you should pay the ultimate price. life in prison. you've taken someones life. Thats it. They are gone. whats that you say? mistake? reformed? ok so. off you go sir.

He wasn't sentenced to life without parole. He has served the minimum time specified by his sentence (20 years) and has been denied parole in 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008. He has been kept in purely because of the political heat they would recieve if he was to be released, and because of danger to him from Lennon fans. Neither of which are adequate reasons to keep a man who has served his time locked up.

robinph

100gSoma wrote: »

I could murder someone today and in 2 years time be judged "not a danger to society". should I be out and about?

But you wouldn't have served the penalty that the courts had imposed on you within those two year so if you are a threat to society or not would be irrelevant.

--Kaiser--

bonerm wrote: »

Nope. Paul died first.

Back to the Conspiracy Theory forum with your nonsense

Kasabian

natsuko wrote: »

''when the world's overrun, by too many bands, who's it time for? Mark Chapman!''

You Too :eek:

Kasabian

General Zod wrote: »

He wasn't sentenced to life without parole. He has served the minimum time specified by his sentence (20 years) and has been denied parole in 2000, 2002, 2004, 2006, 2008. He has been kept in purely because of the political heat they would recieve if he was to be released, and because of danger to him from Lennon fans. Neither of which are adequate reasons to keep a man who has served his time locked up.

Sorry if I am assuming incorrectly.
I think he means if you are convicted of murder you should have your life taken away by spending it in prison till you die. For all murders not a la carte justice determined by who you are and who you may have killed.

Murder = life in prison at a minimum

monkeypants

He should be let out, but on condition that he picks up where he left off.

General Zod

Kasabian wrote: »

Sorry if I am assuming incorrectly.
I think he means if you are convicted of murder you should have your life taken away by spending it in prison till you die. For all murders not a la carte justice determined by who you are and who you may have killed.

Murder = life in prison at a minimum

If he hadn't been John Lennon he shot he would have been released by now.

Lemegeton

General Zod wrote: »

If he hadn't been John Lennon he shot he would have been released by now.

fair point. the issue here is not what sentence a murderer should be given. personally i believe murderers should get the death penalty or life in prison.
but in this case he has served the sentence he was handed down by the courts so by law he should be released. people have served a lot less time for far more violent murders. chapman should receive the same treatment as every other convicted murderer and not be treated differently because he killed someone famous

Kasabian

General Zod wrote: »

If he hadn't been John Lennon he shot he would have been released by now.

Agreed but thats not what I am saying , I beleive murder should equal life in prison . No exceptions.

By law as it stands today he should be released.

100gSoma

General Zod wrote: »

If he hadn't been John Lennon he shot he would have been released by now.

I don't think it should make difference who he is. If it does, that too is a problem with the justice system, I agree. If you plan and execute someones murder I don't think you should be let back out. I'm talking about first degree murder here, not manslaughter or 2nd degree murder which might have mitigating circumstances. If your judged to be insane at the time of the murder, you should be kept in a secure hospital for life.

100gSoma

BTW, my feelings on this topic have spawned from the fact life is cheap these days. screwdrivers in the head type killings and death stabbings are very very common here and in the UK. I think the very liberal attitude in the UK/IRE/EU further cheapens life. Those boys who killed the poles for example, the one who viciously stabbed them in the brain with a screw driver tried to blame the all day drink and drugs binge etc. like that was some "get out of responsibility" card. He will be on the streets in less than 10 years. Thats almost a certainty! I think something is wrong with that. but, I digress...

Lemegeton

100gSoma wrote: »

BTW, my feelings on this topic have spawned from the fact life is cheap these days. screwdrivers in the head type killings and death stabbings are very very common here and in the UK. I think the very liberal attitude in the UK/IRE/EU further cheapens life. Those boys who killed the poles for example, the one who viciously stabbed them in the brain with a screw driver tried to blame the all day drink and drugs binge etc. like that was some "get out of responsibility" card. He will be on the streets in less than 10 years. Thats almost a certainty! I think something is wrong with that. but, I digress...

agreed. there is no such thing as justice in this country

Fizman

Kasabian wrote: »

Agreed but thats not what I am saying , I beleive murder should equal life in prison . No exceptions.

By law as it stands today he should be released.

I don't see the point in that to be honest. In theory you are saying that you want to take away the murderers life by imprisoning him for the remainder of his days. Why not just execute him altogether then, and save the state hundreds of thousands of euros?

djimi

From what I can gather the only reason he is still in prison is because Yoko Ono is basically insisting that he stays there and they seem to be listening to her. If he was anyone else then chances are, provided he is suitable for release of couse, he would be out by now.

That said, I think one of the last parole hearings he had he was denied on the basis that they couldnt guarantee his safety should he be released. Tbh theyre probably not wrong; I couldnt see the chap lasting a day when they let him out.

djimi

Kasabian wrote: »

Agreed but thats not what I am saying , I beleive murder should equal life in prison . No exceptions.

By law as it stands today he should be released.

If you murder = full life in prison then why not bring in the death penalty and just save the state the expense of keeping the person for decades in prison?

Do you not believe that people change and grow up? For example, if someone at 18 is involved in a gang and kills someone, do you not believe that 40 years later at 58 they might not be the same moron that was involved in the gang? Obviously there are people who will never change, but to suggest that noone does is a madness.

PeterIanStaker

If he gets out, can they point him in the direction of Yoko, the X Factor and Jedward. "look you crazy motherf**ker, they're all phonies!"

Kasabian

djimi wrote: »

If you murder = full life in prison then why not bring in the death penalty and just save the state the expense of keeping the person for decades in prison?

Do you not believe that people change and grow up? For example, if someone at 18 is involved in a gang and kills someone, do you not believe that 40 years later at 58 they might not be the same moron that was involved in the gang? Obviously there are people who will never change, but to suggest that noone does is a madness.

Because as history has shown mistakes are made , execution is terminal.

The person they have murdered has been denied the right to change why should the person that killed them be afforded that.

Kasabian

Fizman wrote: »

I don't see the point in that to be honest. In theory you are saying that you want to take away the murderers life by imprisoning him for the remainder of his days. Why not just execute him altogether then, and save the state hundreds of thousands of euros?

I think the punishment of prison is the greater , execution is the easy way out. Also I am a christian and I don't believe that we have the right to take a human life.

Hank_Jones

Quick, close this thread.

People are saying terrible things about the man.
He is bound to sue.

skelliser

I dont think he should be let out. He was and is mentally unstable.
A danger to society imo.

Im biased tho cause i love the beatles. The greatest band of all time.
Im not a Lennon fanboy btw, thought George was way cooler and a way better solo artist.

mysons

... Imagine..................................................................

SirLemonhead

Yeah, spend your entire life in prison if you kill one person. Sure, when you've done your first, you might as well keep going if the penalty will be the same :pac:

He should definitely get the same sentence as the likes of Peter Sutcliffe..