Interesting torrent I found

themrhubarbs

Firstly.

This torrent is about, in part, project MKULTRA, a CIA project.

It then has such videos as how the American government is trying to destroy America.

That's a lie. The American government would never want to destroy their own country, they do that to their enemies. Especially consider George Bush Sr. was a CIA man and therefore, the CIA can get their guys in as President, so it makes absolutely no sense for them to want to destroy their own country.

Also take in to account that MKULTRA was developed with psychiatrists.

Now take in to account that there is a torrent on there that is anti-scientology (scientology has nothing to do with MKULTRA, but is anti psychiatry, which helped set up MKULTRA).

Now take in to account the deep links between Communism and Freemasonry.

Now take in to account both are highly anti-American (in secret, not in public).

Now take in to account the website I am about to link you to has been praised in the mainstream media, of which major media moguls are often disclosed high level freemasons.

Now take in to account the website's name. A lodge is the name of a Masonic temple.

Now take in to account the image on the front page of the website. It appears to be inside a building that has black and white tiles on the ground. Exactly the same as the inside of a Masonic lodge.

Conclusion: This website, and torrent, is Masonic/Communist, and is trying to make it look like America would want to destroy America, which is a lie.

It is the communists and freemasons (and the psychiatrists) who want global mind control. Note that MKULTRA is only done to a very select few who become agents, it is not done to the whole country. The Americans are supporters of freedom, which is the polar opposite to what freemasonry and communism (and psychiatry) are about.

The link to the torrent:
http://www.greylodge.org/gpc/?p=1413

The link the the front page:
http://greylodge.org/gpc/

themrhubarbs

Ok and in regards to my username, it was the word verification thing, it has no meaning to me beyond that.

Penn

Jimmy carter was a peanut farmer. Therefore, all peanut farmers can be President.

Now take into account that a peanut can get lodged in your throat. A lodge is the name of a Masonic temple.

Now take into account that peanuts are 30% fat. America has a large population of overweight people.

In conclusion, Americans are peanuts.


In all seriousness though, black and White squares in that pattern are not exclusive to masons. The word lodge is not exclusive to masons. The rest is based on very very loose connections which could be used to tie almost anything to Freemasons etc.

How is psychiatry against freedom exactly?

themrhubarbs

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Jimmy carter was a peanut farmer. Therefore, all peanut farmers can be President.

Now take into account that a peanut can get lodged in your throat. A lodge is the name of a Masonic temple.

Now take into account that peanuts are 30% fat. America has a large population of overweight people.

In conclusion, Americans are peanuts.


In all seriousness though, black and White squares in that pattern are not exclusive to masons. The word lodge is not exclusive to masons. The rest is based on very very loose connections which could be used to tie almost anything to Freemasons etc.

My post made sense. Your post was trying to poke fun at my post by using a similar structure to what I used, that is logical leaps and conclusions, when in fact your post was stupid.

It's Masonic.

Much like the Orange Order. The Orange Order is masonic.

How do I know?

Because it has a Royal Arch degree, which is a York Rite degree, which is Masonic.

robtri

King Mob wrote: »

How is psychiatry against freedom exactly?

you see it worked

Yitzhak Rabin

themrhubarbs wrote: »

It's Masonic.

My bathroom is black and white tiles. Does that mean I'm a Mason?

themrhubarbs

King Mob wrote: »

How is psychiatry against freedom exactly?

Well they were instrumental in developing MKULTRA.

They also have no science behind their work.

They can hold people against their will. That is kind of anti freedom right there.

Penn

themrhubarbs wrote: »

My post made sense. Your post was trying to poke fun at my post by using a similar structure to what I used, that is logical leaps and conclusions, when in fact your post was stupid.

It's Masonic.

Much like the Orange Order. The Orange Order is masonic.

How do I know?

Because it has a Royal Arch degree, which is a York Rite degree, which is Masonic.

I'm not saying your post didn't make sense, I'm saying that by using the method you used, you can link almost anything together. I showed that Americans are peanuts and one of the former presidents used to be a peanut farmer, a guy who oversees the peanuts, like a president.

Your idea or belief isn't flawed per se, but the links by which you have chained this theory together just aren't strong enough. You haven't shown strong enough links to actually tie all these things together, because the method you used can be used to prove anything

themrhubarbs

themrhubarbs wrote: »

Well they were instrumental in developing MKULTRA.

And physicists where involved in developing the atomic bomb, therefore all physics is concerned with blowing up the world right?

themrhubarbs wrote: »

They also have no science behind their work.

Well that's entirely untrue.

But assuming it was, then how can they have been involved in developing MKULTRA?
Developing means using science...

themrhubarbs wrote: »

They can hold people against their will. That is kind of anti freedom right there.

No they can't.

themrhubarbs

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

I'm not saying your post didn't make sense, I'm saying that by using the method you used, you can link almost anything together. I showed that Americans are peanuts and one of the former presidents used to be a peanut farmer, a guy who oversees the peanuts, like a president.

Your idea or belief isn't flawed per se, but the links by which you have chained this theory together just aren't strong enough. You haven't shown strong enough links to actually tie all these things together, because the method you used can be used to prove anything

The way you went about it is stupid.

You referenced peanut eating.

I referenced the CIA, Freemasons, Communists, Main Stream Media and Psychiatrists, all who are actually involved in such things as power and control and influence.

Unlike people who eat peanuts or farm peanuts.

themrhubarbs

King Mob wrote: »

And physicists where involved in developing the atomic bomb, therefore all physics is concerned with blowing up the world right?


Well that's entirely untrue.

But assuming it was, then how can they have been involved in developing MKULTRA?
Developing means using science...


No they can't.

The physics argument is a false dichotomy.

There is no science behind psychiatry. It is unscientific. They are no blood tests or brain scans for mental illness. But the medications are neurotoxic.

Psychiatrists can hold people against their will with a involuntary hold.

Penn

Again, I only used that as an example to show the flaws in your method. How you can link anything to anything with such loose connections. It has nothing to do with actual peanuts.

themrhubarbs

themrhubarbs wrote: »

The physics argument is a false dichotomy.

I don't think you know what that means.
A false dichotomy is when your opponent presents only two possiblities when more can exist.

My example is no different that your claim.
Please explain why you think otherwise.

themrhubarbs wrote: »

There is no science behind psychiatry. It is unscientific. They are no blood tests or brain scans for mental illness. But the medications are neurotoxic.

So there's no science but somehow they develop medications?

And some mental illnesses can be detected by brain scans but they are not the primary way of detection.
Blood tests and brain scans aren't a requirement to be a science.

themrhubarbs wrote: »

Psychiatrists can hold people against their will with a involuntary hold.

No they can't.

themrhubarbs

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

Again, I only used that as an example to show the flaws in your method. How you can link anything to anything with such loose connections. It has nothing to do with actual peanuts.

There are no loose connections between psychiatry and MKULTRA.

It is documented in declassified reports.

themrhubarbs

King Mob wrote: »

I don't think you know what that means.
A false dichotomy is when your opponent presents only two possiblities when more can exist.

That's not how it was explained to me.

My example is no different that your claim.
Please explain why you think otherwise.

Because physics is concerned with a lot more than making bombs. Psychiatry is only concerned with manipulating human minds. If that doesn't make sense to you I'm afraid not much will.

So there's no science but somehow they develop medications?

Doctors used to prescribe smoking for asthma. Would you like a prescription of alcohol for insomnia? It will make you sleep.

Psychiatric medications are literally neurotoxic.

And some mental illnesses can be detected by brain scans but they are not the primary way of detection.
Blood tests and brain scans aren't a requirement to be a science.

No mental illness can be detected by a brain scan or blood test. The way of detection is through reported feelings, implying everyone is the same, meaning psychiatry is autistic (according to psychiatric definitions of autism).

No they can't.

Yes they can.

themrhubarbs

themrhubarbs wrote: »

That's not how it was explained to me.

Then it was explained to you wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

themrhubarbs wrote: »

Because physics is concerned with a lot more than making bombs. Psychiatry is only concerned with manipulating human minds. If that doesn't make sense to you I'm afraid not much will.

Could you please give me a few examples of areas of physics that cannot eventually lead to bigger and better bombs?
Cause I can't think of one.

See it's easy to make something sound evil if you generalise and misrepresent.

themrhubarbs wrote: »

Doctors used to prescribe smoking for asthma. Would you like a prescription of alcohol for insomnia? It will make you sleep.

I'd prefer if you made sense.

If psychriactry doesn't have any science like you claim, how can it possibly develop new evil medicines and mind control experiments?

themrhubarbs wrote: »

Psychiatric medications are literally neurotoxic.

Another vast generalisation?

themrhubarbs wrote: »

No mental illness can be detected by a brain scan or blood test. The way of detection is through reported feelings, implying everyone is the same,

And another?
Wow you seem to have a well balanced and researched opinion here alright.

themrhubarbs wrote: »

meaning psychiatry is autistic (according to psychiatric definitions of autism).

Psychiatry exhibited difficulty connecting emotionally to classmates when it was growing up?

themrhubarbs wrote: »

Yes they can.

No they can't.
See unlike you I don't just swallow everything I'm told.
Can you provide any evidence that they can do this?

Penn

themrhubarbs wrote: »

There are no loose connections between psychiatry and MKULTRA.

It is documented in declassified reports.

But its not jut that. You tried to link in how the website has the word Lodge in it. How a picture of black an white tiles means it is Mason. Then Scientology, communism, the media, George Bush

I'm saying that the connections between ALL of these things isn't strong enough.

themrhubarbs

King Mob wrote: »

Then it was explained to you wrong.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma

Good source, the old Wikipedia.

Could you please give me a few examples of areas of physics that cannot eventually lead to bigger and better bombs?
Cause I can't think of one.

The are plenty of aspects of physics that are not centred around explosives or bombs. You ****ing idiot.

See it's easy to make something sound evil if you generalise and misrepresent.

You're an idiot.

I'd prefer if you made sense.

I would prefer if you weren't an idiot and had reading and comprehension skills.

If psychriactry doesn't have any science like you claim, how can it possibly develop new evil medicines and mind control experiments?

There is no science in trimming the hedge. That does not mean scientific processes do not take place. Do you understand yet?

Another vast generalisation?

No. Psychiatric medications are neurotoxic. They will cause brain damage.

And another?
Wow you seem to have a well balanced and researched opinion here alright.

Just because you write something does not make it true. It is factual, that there are no brain scans for mental illness. It is all reported symptoms. There are no scientific tests at all. If you go to your doctor and complain of chest pain, they can perform tests to find out what you have. If you have mental health issues, they can't, which is why diagnosis' change frequently.

Psychiatry exhibited difficulty connecting emotionally to classmates when it was growing up?

Do you know what personification is, moron?

No they can't.
See unlike you I don't just swallow everything I'm told.
Can you provide any evidence that they can do this?

Yes they can. Psychiatrists can hold you against your will if they deem you to be unsafe to yourself or the community. Then they can change their diagnosis 10 times in 5 years, because they got it wrong the first time.

Get a clue.

themrhubarbs

paddyirishman85 wrote: »

But its not jut that. You tried to link in how the website has the word Lodge in it. How a picture of black an white tiles means it is Mason. Then Scientology, communism, the media, George Bush

I'm saying that the connections between ALL of these things isn't strong enough.

If you were to talk to me about, say, your family, and how x leads to y leads to z, I might not be able to follow you because I don't personally know your family.

Penn

And yet you couldn't follow my example of peanuts?

themrhubarbs

themrhubarbs wrote: »

Good source, the old Wikipedia.

So then are you saying that the definiton there isn't accurate?
Care to provide any source at all for any of the nonsense you are claiming?

themrhubarbs wrote: »

The are plenty of aspects of physics that are not centred around explosives or bombs.

Like?

How about if I claim there are plenty of aspects of psychiatry that don't centre around mind control?
Somehow I doubt you'd just accept that claim...

themrhubarbs wrote: »

You ****ing idiot.

You're an idiot.

I would prefer if you weren't an idiot and had reading and comprehension skills.

So rather than defend your claims you're going to go with petty insults?
Oh well, suppose that's what happens when someone dares to question you.

themrhubarbs wrote: »

There is no science in trimming the hedge. That does not mean scientific processes do not take place. Do you understand yet?

No, because development requires scientific research to be done.
How can psychiatry have no science at all, yet still be used to develop evil mind control stuff like you claim?

And any chance you could back up your insistence here?
Opinion doesn't really equal fact.

themrhubarbs wrote: »

No. Psychiatric medications are neurotoxic. They will cause brain damage.

Ok, how do you know this?

themrhubarbs wrote: »

Just because you write something does not make it true. It is factual, that there are no brain scans for mental illness. It is all reported symptoms. There are no scientific tests at all. If you go to your doctor and complain of chest pain, they can perform tests to find out what you have. If you have mental health issues, they can't, which is why diagnosis' change frequently.

Lol, Irony.
if it's factual, back it up.

themrhubarbs wrote: »

Do you know what personification is, moron?

Yup, don't see how a scientific practice can display symptoms of a development disorder though.

themrhubarbs wrote: »

Yes they can. Psychiatrists can hold you against your will if they deem you to be unsafe to yourself or the community. Then they can change their diagnosis 10 times in 5 years, because they got it wrong the first time.

Get a clue.

I would like to. Could you please provide some kind of evidence to back up your claim?
Or should we just all believe you without question?

WakeUp

themrhubarbs wrote: »

Firstly.

This torrent is about, in part, project MKULTRA, a CIA project.

It then has such videos as how the American government is trying to destroy America.

That's a lie. The American government would never want to destroy their own country, they do that to their enemies. Especially consider George Bush Sr. was a CIA man and therefore, the CIA can get their guys in as President, so it makes absolutely no sense for them to want to destroy their own country.

Also take in to account that MKULTRA was developed with psychiatrists.

Now take in to account that there is a torrent on there that is anti-scientology (scientology has nothing to do with MKULTRA, but is anti psychiatry, which helped set up MKULTRA).

Now take in to account the deep links between Communism and Freemasonry.

Now take in to account both are highly anti-American (in secret, not in public).

Now take in to account the website I am about to link you to has been praised in the mainstream media, of which major media moguls are often disclosed high level freemasons.

Now take in to account the website's name. A lodge is the name of a Masonic temple.

Now take in to account the image on the front page of the website. It appears to be inside a building that has black and white tiles on the ground. Exactly the same as the inside of a Masonic lodge.

Conclusion: This website, and torrent, is Masonic/Communist, and is trying to make it look like America would want to destroy America, which is a lie.

It is the communists and freemasons (and the psychiatrists) who want global mind control. Note that MKULTRA is only done to a very select few who become agents, it is not done to the whole country. The Americans are supporters of freedom, which is the polar opposite to what freemasonry and communism (and psychiatry) are about.

The link to the torrent:
http://www.greylodge.org/gpc/?p=1413

The link the the front page:
http://greylodge.org/gpc/

Interesting. Welcome to the forum themrhubarbs, be prepared for anything you post here to be taken apart by the usual suspects. Don't take it personal just keep posting and try have your facts strait and verifiable if at all possible:)

sbsquarepants

Here's the problem i have with all these type of masonic CT's.
I'm the evil head of a secret organisation, intent on world domination, CT geeks keep catching me out by spotting the hidden symbols I've for some reason placed everywhere and anywhere, from my top secret headquarters to my mass mind control music videos and everything in between.
Being an evil genius I come up with a cunning ploy, next time we won't put the f'ucking symbols anywhere, not one symbol, not one word, not one s'hitty tile pattern. I send this simple memo and the world is mine.
DEAR MINNIONS. FROM THIS DAY FORTH WE SHALL ALL BE MORE SECRETIVE, WE ARE AFTER ALL A SECRET SOCIETY. REGARDS. EVIL OVERLORD.
If i can see this, why can't the illuminati/freemasons/lizards etc?

WakeUp

sbsquarepants wrote: »

Here's the problem i have with all these type of masonic CT's.
I'm the evil head of a secret organisation, intent on world domination, CT geeks keep catching me out by spotting the hidden symbols I've for some reason placed everywhere and anywhere, from my top secret headquarters to my mass mind control music videos and everything in between.
Being an evil genius I come up with a cunning ploy, next time we won't put the f'ucking symbols anywhere, not one symbol, not one word, not one s'hitty tile pattern. I send this simple memo and the world is mine.
DEAR MINNIONS. FROM THIS DAY FORTH WE SHALL ALL BE MORE SECRETIVE, WE ARE AFTER ALL A SECRET SOCIETY. REGARDS. EVIL OVERLORD.
If i can see this, why can't the illuminati/freemasons/lizards etc?

Leaving Lizards out of it from reading up on the subject this is what I make of it.

The signs or symbols are not meant to be completely hidden from view actually on the contrary, they are supposed to be easy to spot to the trained eye and illuminated among us. The reason for this is to serve as a reminder to them that no matter where they are or what they are doing the brotherhood is watching them and they should remember that. This is the meaning behind the all seeing “eye” prevalent in illuminati symbolism.

joebucks

themrhubarbs wrote: »

If the symbols were not everywhere then the programming would not work so effectively. They are post-hypnotic triggers etc.

I have a blog now.

Please tell your friends.

http://maundysblog.blogspot.com/

There is no advertising on my blog.

Howya man. The material you are posting is very interesting and I will certainly investigate it more. Fair play on creating your own blog, however only problem I have is with the colors on the page..it is quite difficult to read feels a bit too MK Ultra to me!

demonspawn

Now take into account that you used that phrase one too many times and I just stopped reading your post halfway through.

Can anyone give me an abridged version of the point trying to be made?

Oh, and as far as the Freemasons being anti-American (in private)...you've never seen the street plan for Washington D.C., have you?

http://www.altarum.org/files/imce/maps/dc_office_map.jpg

Let me know when you've spotted it.

nullzero

yekahs wrote: »

My bathroom is black and white tiles. Does that mean I'm a Mason?

I thought you were one... http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67745008&postcount=156

demonspawn

yekahs wrote: »

I've decided to join the freemasons. Mainly from being on here, and wanting to find out what the truth is myself. Also couldn't hurt to know a few people as I am probably going to setup a small firm on top of my current job.

Ive met the local lodge secretary and the provincial secretary, and now I just need to apply and see if they let me in.

Ill post here of what my experience of the group is. So far the two men I have met are gents. Also I was surprised to discover that a lot of my neighbours have been masons for years and I had no clue.

Like summerskin asked. Is there any good reason (facts based) of why not to join?

Anyone who thinks they will find out anything just by joining the masons is fooling themselves. Stay there for about 50 years and then let us know what you think. Otherwise, you're just another foot soldier who will not be told a single thing other than the absolute basics.

Yitzhak Rabin

nullzero wrote: »

I thought you were one... http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showpost.php?p=67745008&postcount=156

Not yet, and hadn't even considered it when I made that post.

Yitzhak Rabin

demonspawn wrote: »

How is it a fail? I wasn't a mason when I made that post. I'm still not a mason, I've just applied to join.

Anyone who thinks they will find out anything just by joining the masons is fooling themselves. Stay there for about 50 years and then let us know what you think. Otherwise, you're just another foot soldier who will not be told a single thing other than the absolute basics.

Yet, you know what its all about, before even joining?

nullzero

yekahs wrote: »

Yet, you know what its all about, before even joining?

It's not exactly the best kept secret in the world now is it?

Yitzhak Rabin

nullzero wrote: »

It's not exactly the best kept secret in the world now is it?

Ok, so let me get this straight. When you join, you are a pawn and you will never find out secrets for 50 years(I'm not convinced there is any, BTW). But a young poster on boards, knows all the secrets already somehow?

nullzero

yekahs wrote: »

Ok, so let me get this straight. When you join, you are a pawn and you will never find out secrets for 50 years(I'm not convinced there is any, BTW). But a young poster on boards, knows all the secrets already somehow?

There's no mystery to what goes on in freemasonry especially at the first three levels that most never rise above, so yeah the dogs on the street know.

Yitzhak Rabin

nullzero wrote: »

There's no mystery to what goes on in freemasonry especially at the first three levels that most never rise above, so yeah the dogs on the street know.

Why do you think there is higher degrees than Master Mason?

demonspawn

What the Freemasons believe is no great secret. What the people at top of the ladder do is a secret.

Freemasons know that Jesus is in fact Lucifer and that Christianity is simply the worship of Lucifer. He is one in the same. Christians have been tricked onto believing they worship the son of God. Freemasons know the real truth. This guy just let the cat out of the bag.

nullzero

yekahs wrote: »

Why do you think there is higher degrees than Master Mason?

There are, I'm sure you'd be aware of this.

Torakx

Cause Alistair Crowley says so

demonspawn

Torakx wrote: »

Cause Alistair Crowley says so

In fairness, if anyone were to know the real secrets behind Freemasonry it'd be Crowley. As far as I know, he's the only non-Freemason that was allowed to observe secret Masonic rituals. Were you trying to make this point or just being facetious?

Duiske

demonspawn wrote: »

This guy just let the cat out of the bag.

Seemed to me that guy was just ripping the p**s out of the gullible fool with the camera.

demonspawn

Duiske wrote: »

Seemed to me that guy was just ripping the p**s out of the gullible fool with the camera.

Maybe, maybe not. Didn't seem to me he was joking, he even angrily corrected the cameraman with his quote, "I'm pure and virtuous and wholesome and innocent." He looked pretty damn serious to me.

Oh, and the Jack and Jill foundation strives to prolong the suffering of mortally ill children and dump the cost of "care" (torture) onto the State. Very nice to have in your signature then come here to defend the Freemasons.
Baphomet is calling, better go see what he wants.

themrhubarbs

joebucks wrote: »

Howya man. The material you are posting is very interesting and I will certainly investigate it more. Fair play on creating your own blog, however only problem I have is with the colors on the page..it is quite difficult to read feels a bit too MK Ultra to me!

It's not programming. Everything I have written is in clear and concise English. The colours are clearly not programming colours, I have tried to recreate the Irish flag with those colours.

There are no images apart from one of the tricolour so it clearly is not a programming blog.

That and the fact it tries to give you the facts and analysis, makes it obvious it is not a programming blog.

themrhubarbs

The Orange Order does Masonic rites.

The Freemasons are anti-Ireland.

demonspawn

themrhubarbs wrote: »

It's not programming. Everything I have written is in clear and concise English. The colours are clearly not programming colours, I have tried to recreate the Irish flag with those colours.

There are no images apart from one of the tricolour so it clearly is not a programming blog.

That and the fact it tries to give you the facts and analysis, makes it obvious it is not a programming blog.

Wow, you mention programming 4 times in that post and you know what programming colors are.


*psst* I think we're being programmed.

<.<
>.>

Edit: Ahaha!! On closer inspection of the website (I didn't look at it in the first place), it's a Freemason's site! It's got the "G" and everything. Damn, you guys should really try a bit harder. "G" pod :rolleyes:
If you introduce this rubbish to people here, they may begin to read it and believe the lies there. Is that the plan?

demonspawn

themrhubarbs wrote: »

Ok and in regards to my username, it was the word verification thing, it has no meaning to me beyond that.

I hope they're not paying you for this. If so they should demand their money back.




FREEMASONS HAVE INFILTRATED THE PREMISES.

EVERYONE TO YOUR BATTLE STATIONS!!

demonspawn

yekahs wrote: »

Ok, so let me get this straight. When you join, you are a pawn and you will never find out secrets for 50 years(I'm not convinced there is any, BTW). But a young poster on boards, knows all the secrets already somehow?

Oh, you're too kind. I'm actually 30 and have been researching Freemasons and the Occult since I was a teenager. I know they secretly worship Lucifer, as he is the bringer of secret knowledge. I know they practice ritual magic and hold magic numbers in high regard, which is why they are everywhere. Even the "G" is a magic number in disguise. It is the third letter in the ancient languages and the seventh in English. 3 and 7 are magical numbers. Freemasonry is all about deception and concealment.

Duiske

demonspawn wrote: »

Oh, and the Jack and Jill foundation strives to prolong the suffering of mortally ill children and dump the cost of "care" (torture) onto the State.

I was not defending freemasons as a group. I was giving my take on the video you posted.

I care not what you think of that particular charity, or any other for that matter. It has absolutely nothing to do with this thread.

gizmo

demonspawn wrote: »

Oh, and the Jack and Jill foundation strives to prolong the suffering of mortally ill children and dump the cost of "care" (torture) onto the State. Very nice to have in your signature then come here to defend the Freemasons.
Baphomet is calling, better go see what he wants.

Charming thing to say about a charity, you don't happen to have a source for that outrageous comment do you?

demonspawn

On 29 February 1996 Jack Irwin was born – a bonny bouncy baby. Two days later he suffered some invasive trauma in the hospital’s nursery.
While history does not reveal the immediate aftermath of this drama, it is probable that he died and was resuscitated. Certainly from that moment on, Jack could not swallow and was probably blind and deaf. His parent’s dreams were shattered and the heartbreaking task of keeping Jack alive began.

Asked for a route map of care for Jack once he left their intensive care unit, it was made clear that there were simply no services in Ireland available to a baby like Jack. He cautioned that Jack’s needs would threaten the marriage and certainly damage the childhood of his healthy brothers and sister. To escape this trap, he advised the only way out was to get him admitted to one of the children’s hospitals. Then and only then would the State have to take responsibility for him.

Jack lived for 22 months – a desperate and painful life. A mix of drugs, physio, postural drainage, seizures, reflux operations, gastrostomy and suctioning. The only saving grace was that he was cosy and warm and nursed around the clock by a dedicated band of five housewives from the neighbourhood.

https://www.jackandjill.ie/who-we-are/

They torture babies, or encourage parents to torture their babies and have the state pay for it. Happy now?

Duiske

demonspawn wrote: »

They torture babies, or encourage parents to torture their babies and have the state pay for it. Happy now?

I really should have sympathy for you, but....

demonspawn

Duiske wrote: »

I really should have sympathy for you, but....

Save your sympathy for the babies forced to suffer untold agony by your wonderful "charity". I don't need or want it.