Loading bays dun laoghaire rathdown CC

sophie1234

I got a ticket for parking in a loading bay for over 30mins in a good vehicle now by my understanding i could stay parked in a loading bay for up to two hours i was still loading when the ticket was given. im wondering if any one has any information on this and who i would ring to despute paying this im pretty annoyed at the fact i got this and do not want to pay 40euro.:mad::mad:

Thanks

kildare.17hmr

id check the sign first off as some of them do say "max stay 30 mins". If your good then a quick call or letter into the issuing office should sort ya out if ya can prove u were delivering ie. have a copy of your delivery docket or that

freighter

When you say you parked your good vehicle is that a little mercedes or beemer car.

kildare.17hmr

bijapos

sophie1234 wrote: »

I got a ticket for parking in a loading bay for over 30mins in a good vehicle now by my understanding i could stay parked in a loading bay for up to two hours

AFAIK it depends on the County Council as to how long you can stay in the loading bay so it differs from council to council, there is no fixed rule. I'm not sure if they are supposed to write this on the loading bay signs.

Surprised you got it while still unloading, still can't beat one of the lads at work who was sitting in the back of the van when it was clamped! happened 3 years ago, still gets a slagging off it.

sophie1234

freighter wrote: »

When you say you parked your good vehicle is that a little mercedes or beemer car.

well thats not funny.............
well i was unloading things bought in musgraves for a restruant it was outside the restruant and the name of the restruant is on the jeep.........im just annoyed as the loading bay has no limited times just that its between 8am to 7pm..

kildare.17hmr

ah it was a bit funny in fairness:D

If there are no specified time restrictions just fight it, if its exactly as you say it is then you should be ok! the people in the council offices are usually ok to deal with in my area

corktina

aha a jeep...what tax would you have on that? If its taxed as a commercial its a different matter to if its taxed private.

kildare.17hmr

you mean is it a commercial or passanger jeep? if its taxed commercial it a commercial if its taxed privatly its a jeep and not a goods vehicle, like was said by th op- also she would have been fined for parking in a loading bay, not for parking there too long

freighter

sophie1234 wrote: »

well thats not funny.............
well i was unloading things bought in musgraves for a restruant it was outside the restruant and the name of the restruant is on the jeep.........im just annoyed as the loading bay has no limited times just that its between 8am to 7pm..

It wasnt meant to be funny. As i thought another yuppie in a suv thinking they can park anywhere.:rolleyes:

kildare.17hmr

someone have somethin against people who drive jeeps?????:D

corktina

nothing at all.Just interested to know if it is taxed commercially. Lots of wardens have a blind spot on this and think anything bigger than a car can be ignored when in reality anything other than a commercially taxed vehicle LOADING OR UNLOADING should be booked (including eircom and ESB vans)

sophie1234

its tax as commerical and is a commerical jeep only has two seats. the ticket states that it is a commerical jeep but has parked for over 30minutes.....im just not sure who to ring on the matter.... now that i no i shud try fight it!

Well its not actually my jeep the person who had it asked me to post on here for him but that doesnt really matter..

corktina

sophie1234 wrote: »

its tax as commerical and is a commerical jeep only has two seats. the ticket states that it is a commerical jeep but has parked for over 30minutes.....im just not sure who to ring on the matter.... now that i no i shud try fight it!

Well its not actually my jeep the person who had it asked me to post on here for him but that doesnt really matter..

well its def a commercial and if it doesnt have a time limit on the bay and you were still loading then you have a good case to get this revoked.

Big Nasty

sophie1234 wrote: »

its tax as commerical and is a commerical jeep only has two seats. the ticket states that it is a commerical jeep but has parked for over 30minutes.....im just not sure who to ring on the matter.... now that i no i shud try fight it!

Well its not actually my jeep the person who had it asked me to post on here for him but that doesnt really matter..

Well if that's the case obviously the time limit is 30 mins - otherwise you should'nt have received a ticket.

kildare.17hmr

corktina wrote: »

well its def a commercial and if it doesnt have a time limit on the bay and you were still loading then you have a good case to get this revoked.

defo, the people in the offices are usually alot easier to deal with than the parking inspectors on the street!

MCMLXXV wrote: »

Well if that's the case obviously the time limit is 30 mins - otherwise you should'nt have received a ticket.

yeah but she doesnt think it says a time limit on the sign.

thats the first thing for your mate to do, just check the sign on the loading bay to make sure it doesnt say 30 mins max!! good luck wit it an let us know how ya's get on

corktina

but was 30 minutes DISPLAYED?

kildare.17hmr

Thats wot she needs to find out first

sophie1234

i will check tomoro and take a picture of where the ticket was given and report back

Dools2007

OP, Serious question and I hope you don't think I'm being smart here but how does it take two hours to unload a jeep which is parked directly in front of the premises being delivered to?

corktina

a fair question I guess....

sophie1234

i never said it was being unloaded for 2 hours just over half an hour... i just thought that if u were a commercial car/jeep you could stay for up to two hours was only there for about 40/50 mins as he had to load some returns after unloading the jeep and had to sort out a few things..

Dools2007

sophie1234 wrote: »

i never said it was being unloaded for 2 hours just over half an hour... i just thought that if u were a commercial car/jeep you could stay for up to two hours was only there for about 40/50 mins as he had to load some returns after unloading the jeep and had to sort out a few things..

Sorry, wasn't trying to be smart, just wondering what the law is regarding if a commercial vehicle is parked but not being loaded / unloaded.

If any commercial could park there, then surely this would lead to issues where people with commercial vehicles could just use these as a handy parking spot while they go about other business.

-Corkie-

Dools2007 wrote: »

Sorry, wasn't trying to be smart, just wondering what the law is regarding if a commercial vehicle is parked but not being loaded / unloaded.

If any commercial could park there, then surely this would lead to issues where people with commercial vehicles could just use these as a handy parking spot while they go about other business.

Exactly. Loading bays are specifically for hgv and other trucks to use as they need room for tail lifts etc. I think jeep drivers should park elsewhere.

corktina

Dools2007 wrote: »

Sorry, wasn't trying to be smart, just wondering what the law is regarding if a commercial vehicle is parked but not being loaded / unloaded.

If any commercial could park there, then surely this would lead to issues where people with commercial vehicles could just use these as a handy parking spot while they go about other business.

they DO exactly that anyway.... check out Patrick St Cork, the most abused and under-regulated set of loading bays I know of.... ESB/ eircom and other services vans everywhere who arent loading/unloading, just parked and the very worst offenders (sorry OP) 4WDs, many of whom are farmers and the like taking advantage and gone shopping.. These bays should be closley monitored to ensure that vehicles are only there for the duration of a load/unload and delivery into (or out of) the premises.

djimi

sophie1234 wrote: »

i never said it was being unloaded for 2 hours just over half an hour... i just thought that if u were a commercial car/jeep you could stay for up to two hours was only there for about 40/50 mins as he had to load some returns after unloading the jeep and had to sort out a few things..

I would imagine that the warden saw you parked there for longer than 30 mintues, so no activity, and assumed you had just parked there and left the jeep. As has been said contact the council and explain yourself.

Eric Cartman

Dools2007 wrote: »

OP, Serious question and I hope you don't think I'm being smart here but how does it take two hours to unload a jeep which is parked directly in front of the premises being delivered to?

if there was a stairs and a trolley involved it could easily take that

dr.fuzzenstein

Happened to me in Ennis, said max stay 30 mins on sign but was in and out of a nearby building, got held up, stayed longer and was ticketed.
Did argue my case but absolutely no joy out of it, just paid it in the end since taking it further would have been too much hassle and potentially more costly in the end.
To be fair, loading bays are for someone to pull up, take stuff out, deliver it and drive off, it doesn't always work that way in a perfect world of course and most traffic wardens (in Ennis at least) take that into consideration.
Unfortunately if one of them wants to apply the rules as written down without consideration, there's little that can be done, you're over 30 mins, you're pretty much boned there.

sophie1234

Dools2007 wrote: »

Sorry, wasn't trying to be smart, just wondering what the law is regarding if a commercial vehicle is parked but not being loaded / unloaded.

If any commercial could park there, then surely this would lead to issues where people with commercial vehicles could just use these as a handy parking spot while they go about other business.

i no ur wernt being smart :-) didnt think ya were the persons just really annoyed as he owns the restraunt and its never happened before and on the jeep its says the name of the restraunt and he was in the loading bay designated to there! we think it was some1 new once i have a minute in work im goin to make my way up to the loading bay and take a pic or get him to!

and cars/vans over 3 tonnes are not allowed park in loading bays the designated for commerical car/jeeps and vans not trucks!

djimi

sophie1234 wrote: »

i no ur wernt being smart :-) didnt think ya were the persons just really annoyed as he owns the restraunt and its never happened before and on the jeep its says the name of the restraunt and he was in the loading bay designated to there! we think it was some1 new once i have a minute in work im goin to make my way up to the loading bay and take a pic or get him to!

and cars/vans over 3 tonnes are not allowed park in loading bays the designated for commerical car/jeeps and vans not trucks!

As you say it might be a new warden who saw the jeep parked there too long, and seeing the name on the jeep might have assumed that the owner of the restaurant might use the loading bay as his own personal parking space.

Of course, Im just guessing Youll know more when you talk to the council.

sophie1234

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Happened to me in Ennis, said max stay 30 mins on sign but was in and out of a nearby building, got held up, stayed longer and was ticketed.
Did argue my case but absolutely no joy out of it, just paid it in the end since taking it further would have been too much hassle and potentially more costly in the end.
To be fair, loading bays are for someone to pull up, take stuff out, deliver it and drive off, it doesn't always work that way in a perfect world of course and most traffic wardens (in Ennis at least) take that into consideration.
Unfortunately if one of them wants to apply the rules as written down without consideration, there's little that can be done, you're over 30 mins, you're pretty much boned there.

i was once in court for a parking ticket and a man before me was arguing that he was parked in a loading bay out side his wine shop the ticket man said he was there from 1130 till 330 untill they then decieded to give them the ticket the guy stated that he was in and out on deliverys all day the ticket man said with a tape he mesured the distance from the air gauge to the ground and it hadnt changed! the judge laughed at the ticket man for being so particular and said that he could of parked in the same position more then once the ticket man said it was unlikely a one in a million chance u wud get to the exact same postion to the cm more then once. long story short the judge trew it out of court and he got away scot free. and thats why i think we shudnt of been given a ticket!

cabrwab

I was clamped in a loading bay i was there for 50 mins unloading a van at the time, id to take something out go up 2 flights of stairs and it was a full van.

But i have heard all loading bays are 30mins regardless of signs or not that was from a member an garda.

Sorry to hear it OP, but the guys in Dun laoghaire are bad with the ol tickets very little room for error

sophie1234

djimi wrote: »

As you say it might be a new warden who saw the jeep parked there too long, and seeing the name on the jeep might have assumed that the owner of the restaurant might use the loading bay as his own personal parking space.

Of course, Im just guessing Youll know more when you talk to the council.

main probelm is the council just dont feel like answering there phone and when i finally got throught the lady said wrong department and then i ask to be given a number to the correct department and she hung up!!!!!!! Rude! i think im going to tell him to wait for the court date!

Dools2007

sophie1234 wrote: »

i no ur wernt being smart :-) didnt think ya were the persons just really annoyed as he owns the restraunt and its never happened before and on the jeep its says the name of the restraunt and he was in the loading bay designated to there! we think it was some1 new once i have a minute in work im goin to make my way up to the loading bay and take a pic or get him to!

and cars/vans over 3 tonnes are not allowed park in loading bays the designated for commerical car/jeeps and vans not trucks!

No, that's fair enough. I can see where your friend is coming from also as he could argue that he was using it for loading / unloading but imo once he was finished loading, his jeep should have been moved to another normal parking spot.

-Corkie-

sophie1234 wrote: »

i was once in court for a parking ticket and a man before me was arguing that he was parked in a loading bay out side his wine shop the ticket man said he was there from 1130 till 330 untill they then decieded to give them the ticket the guy stated that he was in and out on deliverys all day the ticket man said with a tape he mesured the distance from the air gauge to the ground and it hadnt changed! the judge laughed at the ticket man for being so particular and said that he could of parked in the same position more then once the ticket man said it was unlikely a one in a million chance u wud get to the exact same postion to the cm more then once. long story short the judge trew it out of court and he got away scot free. and thats why i think we shudnt of been given a ticket!

So you were in court before for a parking offence..... Would ye not have learned from your previous mistakes and got on with it.:rolleyes:

kildare.17hmr

SARASON wrote: »

Exactly. Loading bays are specifically for hgv and other trucks to use as they need room for tail lifts etc. I think jeep drivers should park elsewhere.

eh ehere did you hear this then??? completly wrong, loading bays are for commercial vehicles, vans, car vans, jeeps ect not trucks!! did you just make that up:D

cabrwab wrote: »

But i have heard all loading bays are 30mins regardless of signs or not that was from a member an garda.

I have learned not to pay too much attention to a garda about some things, this being 1, if a sign put up by the council says you can park for 1 hr or 2 hrs thats what the time is, no matter what the garda might have to say about it!

kildare.17hmr

SARASON wrote: »

So you were in court before for a parking offence..... Would ye not have learned from your previous mistakes and got on with it.:rolleyes:

man ur not reading the previous posts, its her mate!:D

-Corkie-

kildare.17hmr wrote: »

man ur not reading the previous posts, its her mate!:D

She said we. We will go to court. I know the law inside out. I cannot give legal advice here though.

sophie1234

yes all parking bays are given a different time frame most just parking for car ones are three hours then car must be removed for at least one hour before returning to the same street! its all a bit silly imo

sophie1234

SARASON wrote: »

She said we. We will go to court. I know the law inside out. I cannot give legal advice here though.

well i kinda ment him...he wanted to just pay the 60euro but i think its silly to just pay without even looking into it and if it turns out hes in the wrong then he can go ahead and pay!

kildare.17hmr

SARASON wrote: »

She said we. We will go to court. I know the law inside out. I cannot give legal advice here though.

post no 13 from page 1, below;)

sophie1234 wrote: »

Well its not actually my jeep the person who had it asked me to post on here for him but that doesnt really matter..

-Corkie-

sophie1234 wrote: »

i was once in court for a parking ticket and a man before me was arguing that he was parked in a loading bay out side his wine shop the ticket man said he was there from 1130 till 330 untill they then decieded to give them the ticket the guy stated that he was in and out on deliverys all day the ticket man said with a tape he mesured the distance from the air gauge to the ground and it hadnt changed! the judge laughed at the ticket man for being so particular and said that he could of parked in the same position more then once the ticket man said it was unlikely a one in a million chance u wud get to the exact same postion to the cm more then once. long story short the judge trew it out of court and he got away scot free. and thats why i think we shudnt of been given a ticket!

sophie1234

SARASON wrote: »

well i ment he shud go to court apologies!

corktina

stirctly speaking its the driver who gets the ticket....if I was the owner, I wouldnt pay anyway...

sophie1234

corktina wrote: »

stirctly speaking its the driver who gets the ticket....if I was the owner, I wouldnt pay anyway...

i dont get u the driver is the owner?

cormie

As far as I know, it's 30 minutes unless stated otherwise.

Also, I remember reading somewhere that time is also allowed for sorting paperwork (so not actively loading).

corktina

sophie1234 wrote: »

i dont get u the driver is the owner?

you said YOU got a ticket in the OP and "Well its not actually my jeep the person who had it asked me to post on here for him but that doesnt really " later.....

Im confused now

sophie1234

corktina wrote: »

you said YOU got a ticket in the OP and "Well its not actually my jeep the person who had it asked me to post on here for him but that doesnt really " later.....

Im confused now

ups musta said that by mistake my bad :rolleyes::o:rolleyes: