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    #32
    ltdslipdiff
    Registered Users Posts: 759 ✭✭✭ltdslipdiff


    Saab Ed wrote: »
    Hey , numpty is my word ;):D


    .... but you're dead right , that L Series was a strong aul unit. Even Honda used it ..... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rover_L-Series_engine

    I think that people are being unfair with some of the comments about certain vehicles and all models getting tarred with the same brush because a certain model was bad but had a the same diesel engine fitted to it as another car.


    I.E Renault F9Q 1.9 diesel is a great engine but a MKII Laguna was a ball of sh!te . Doesnt matter that the same engine was used by Nissan , Opel , Suzuki , Volvo aswell as in plenty of other Renault models. The same with the PSA / Ford 1.6 diesel. Early 307s were very poor quality but a Focus is bomb proof , same engine though.

    Just for the record , any Isuzu 3.0 litre diesel is the worst diesel engine ever by far. They'd blow up faster than a baloon :)

    Now there's a man that knows his Renaults ! Isn't it fun telling the Qashqai owners who makes their dCi engine?


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    #33
    Barr
    Registered Users Posts: 7,000 ✭✭✭Barr


    Mazda 6 diesel - big problems , the petrol seem bullet proof tho.


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    #34
    JHMEG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    Saab Ed wrote: »
    .... but you're dead right , that L Series was a strong aul unit. Even Honda used it .....
    That was a comparatively troublesome engine for Honda, and as a result they only built about 400 cars using it.

    As a result it's extremely rare and in all my time in NI and the UK I've only ever seen one Honda car with this engine.


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    #35
    JHMEG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    Barr wrote: »
    Mazda 6 diesel - big problems
    That seems to be an absolute disaster alright, even from what people on boards have said.

    Also http://www.honestjohn.co.uk/forum/post/index.htm?t=57098


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    #36
    richardsheil
    Registered Users Posts: 691 ✭✭✭richardsheil


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    165,000 , really ? my one must have had a bad life so, it honestly sounds like its going to die when you start it in the morning, I serviced it there recently and I think im the only person whos ever changed the oil or oil filter on it

    So the engine is crap because because it is french not because it was never serviced. Seriously- that is some logic.


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    #37
    dmrules
    Registered Users Posts: 150 ✭✭dmrules


    freighter wrote: »
    Mazda 6 diesel engine is brutal bad.

    I've Mazda 6 TD 2004 and had no problems what so ever...great engine...110k without changing timing belt( i know, should have done it at 70k but no time and no money...) so not too bad... me think


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    #38
    Mycroft H
    Registered Users Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    Max Power1 wrote: »
    most french diesels are awful imo.


    Love the sweeping generalization here. Please give some examples.

    PSA HDI series are decent engines, in particular the 2.0hdi. Once there serviced and looked after they will go for miles. The newish 1.6hdi is also a fine engine, with a decent power output for its size. Very economical too, capable of over 65mpg on the motorway.

    and who forgets the XUD diesels??? They were superbly reliable engine, used in many different cars and still used in the marine industry. A simple engine, with many on the go today (plus they could run on pure veg oil)


    The renault F9Q diesel is also decent engine too, used in many nissan and volvos as well as in there own cars.


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    #39
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    JHMEG wrote: »
    That was a comparatively troublesome engine for Honda, and as a result they only built about 400 cars using it.

    As a result it's extremely rare and in all my time in NI and the UK I've only ever seen one Honda car with this engine.

    Honda were only interested in the mainland European markets (rhd) with diesels at the time. Could you provide any detail to back up the troublesome engine claim ? I would be most interested in learning more about that. :)


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    #40
    Eric Cartman
    Registered Users Posts: 26,282 ✭✭✭✭Eric Cartman


    richardsheil wrote: »
    So the engine is crap because because it is french not because it was never serviced. Seriously- that is some logic.

    i never said about it being french , where have i mentioned that. the engine is crap because of the terrible noises it makes and the fact that it pisses oil from every gasket imaginable, the noises seem to vary but 2 partner vans owned by a company i do some work for also have experienced the noises to some degree and the oil leaking, apparantly quite a good engine for abusing according to previous posts but they still need a fair bit more care than some jap diesels to keep oil in them


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    #41
    kingbrumak
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭kingbrumak


    I hate to deviate from topic a bit but what's your views on the different Bora 1.9 diesel engines? I'll be in the market for a change soon and was considering the Bora diesel.

    Just interested to see what the general consensus is?


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    #42
    Mycroft H
    Registered Users Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    kingbrumak wrote: »
    I hate to deviate from topic a bit but what's your views on the different Bora 1.9 diesel engines? I'll be in the market for a change soon and was considering the Bora diesel.

    Just interested to see what the general consensus is?

    its the standard pd vw diesel. comes in many different power levels from 90-150bhp. i've had experience with the 110bhp unit, which is a decent economical engine. in two years it never went wrong. its now has been replaced with the 2 litre common rail unit


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    #43
    kingbrumak
    Closed Accounts Posts: 134 ✭✭kingbrumak


    landyman wrote: »
    its the standard pd vw diesel. comes in many different power levels from 90-150bhp. i've had experience with the 110bhp unit, which is a decent economical engine. in two years it never went wrong. its now has been replaced with the 2 litre common rail unit

    I like the sound of the TD(red)i. Any experience of them?


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    #44
    Tea 1000
    Registered Users Posts: 4,520 ✭✭✭Tea 1000


    What year? Engines changed in 2002, so it depends on which year you're looking at. I also thought the 150 was only available in the Golf Anniversary?
    Bora's are fairly crap looking, the engines are reliable, but peaky in their power output and noisey.


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    #45
    Mycroft H
    Registered Users Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    kingbrumak wrote: »
    I like the sound of the TD(red)i. Any experience of them?


    That could either be the 130bhp PD or an older 110bhp unit depending on the year. Im open to correction on that.

    VAG like confusing people with red d and red i


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    #46
    groupb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 542 ✭✭✭groupb


    Max Power1 wrote: »
    most french diesels are awful imo.

    Surprised at the VAG nomination, the 1.9TDI Vag unit is always highly reccomended for its bulletproof reliability[/QU

    How are most French diesels awful? Any chance of expanding on that statement?


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    #47
    smokingman
    Registered Users Posts: 3,747 ✭✭✭smokingman


    No idea what you're on about regarding the 2.2 Accord diesel...have a '05 one and never had a bit of trouble. Mind you, I take care of it and as with all diesel engines, if you do that, you'll be grand.

    It's only people that don't bother checking their oil every once in a while that give out about their blown engines.


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    #48
    JHMEG
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,686 ✭✭✭JHMEG


    RoverJames wrote: »
    Honda were only interested in the mainland European markets (rhd) with diesels at the time. Could you provide any detail to back up the troublesome engine claim ? I would be most interested in learning more about that. :)
    I can't, as it was a Honda employee in Swindon that told me it.


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    #49
    Gael23
    Registered Users Posts: 12,095 ✭✭✭✭Gael23


    The VAG 1.9 TDI is almost indestructable but the 2.otdi is not that good AFAIK. The french dci is used by nissan and is quite popular in the Note and Quasqai. Would never even think about a french car though


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    #50
    David09
    Registered Users Posts: 541 ✭✭✭David09


    As already mentioned, the isuzu trooper 3.0. Also the renault laguna 2 with 1.9dci. They're well known for blowing turbos and wrecking the engine in the process.

    As for good diesels, does anyone ever remember the old escort/orion 1.6 diesel? Slow, underpowered and sometimes difficult to start but almost 70mpg and the willingness to carry on to over 300,000 miles, albeit long after the car bodies have expired!!


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    #51
    cadaliac
    Registered Users Posts: 2,903 ✭✭✭cadaliac


    2.0 Hdi 406 was the best car I have ever owned.
    1.9 TDI Passat sport was the worst car I have ever owned.

    As for the PD TDI engine, I could not fault it. 50+ mpg and pokey. That's it though. The rest of the car is nightmare material. (including 6-speed box)
    As for the new 2.0 TDI's - I wouldn't P1ss on one if it were on fire. I have really had my fill of poor quality from VW.

    The Hdi was (and still is) an uber reliable engine. Mine had 135k on the clock when I sold it and never a bother.
    The guy i sold it to had to replace the clutch @ 150k - (should only have replaced the master clynder).
    Car still around my local town.

    Before those two cars I had a Peugeot 405 GRD Turbo. I gave that to a fella with 182k on the clock. Only problem I ever had with that one was a water hose burst after being idle for a week. Great car ! 'nuff said about Frech Diesels in my book.
    Its not only reciently that the French have made great diesels.


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    #52
    Seamu$
    Registered Users Posts: 606 ✭✭✭Seamu$


    kincaid wrote: »
    one of the worse at the moment is the 2005 on passat/audi 2.0l tdi, loads of trouble with balancer shaft, oil pump chain, so in general very poor engine and very expensive to fix.

    Is this a well reported issue or well know fact? I was in the market for an A6 recently & was advised by 1 guy to stay away from the 05 2.0l tdi engine as it was troublesome. It was the first time I had heard it mentioned and hadn't heard it from anyone else until reading the above. Managed to get an 06 for within the budget thankfully. Did they get it sorted by the time 2006 rolled around?!


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