cz452 lux free floating

bazza888

I have a cz452 lux,i was just checking to see if barrel is free floating so i slid a piece of paper between the stock and barrel and it got jammed about an inch past the front sling swivel is this normal?how far back should it be floated?

Tackleberrywho

bazza888 wrote: »

I have a cz452 lux,i was just checking to see if barrel is free floating so i slid a piece of paper between the stock and barrel and it got jammed about an inch past the front sling swivel is this normal?how far back should it be floated?

As far as the action. Or almost as far as it.

bazza888

so mines way off then,was thinking about sanding it a bit and sealing it back up with varnish after,is it a hard job take the stock off?looks like just 3screws.i could try adjust the trigger a bit the also.

Feidhlim Dignan

theres a screw under the rear sight so it wouldnt float pass there

Tackleberrywho

Feidhlim Dignan wrote: »

theres a screw under the rear sight so it wouldnt float pass there

Take off the rear sight if you have a scope then so OP, might solve your problem.

Feidhlim Dignan

have a look at one tack might be a job for a pro

Tackleberrywho

Feidhlim Dignan wrote: »

have a look at one tack might be a job for a pro

Well there are pro's in country to do said acts.

I don't own (or want to own) a CZ so I can't look at one.
I don't like them anyway.:D

However Clive did a really good job on a CZ recently, he might be able to give more advice.

4gun

I had one a couple of years ago and the scerw from the front swivel went through the fore grip and was making contact with the barrel ... just loosened it up slightly and was able to perform paper trick..;)

bazza888

the rear sight is attached to barrel not to the stock as far as i can see a pin holds it in to slot in barrel

bazza888

The paper gos an inch past the sling swivel so its not that,I was wondering if stock is touching barrel would it be worth sanding it orwould it be a lot of effort with not much improvement in accuracy

Tackleberrywho

bazza888 wrote: »

the rear sight is attached to barrel not to the stock as far as i can see a pin holds it in to slot in barrel

If it is only a .22lr I would not bother doing anything to it.

If you want a more accurate .22lr hunting rifle look for a 1710
Or a sako finfire

Cass

I don't care if its a pellet gun, air rifle, .22lr, .223, .308. If its a rifle and you use and enjoy using it then a free floating barrel is a must. Anything that makes contact with the barrel and effects harmonics should (where possible) be reduced or eliminated. Accuracy will improve.

No need for a rifle change unless you have the cash and fancy a change.

bazza888

well im learning more everytime i shoot but last day i shot id get very small 3 shot groups then if itried five shot the 5th would be aflyer it may have been me but have heard people saying stock touching barrel can cause this!tack you could buy much better rifle for more money if you wanted instead of pimping them but i cant at the moment unfortunately,have make the best of what i have.

Tackleberrywho

bazza888 wrote: »

well im learning more everytime i shoot but last day i shot id get very small 3 shot groups then if itried five shot the 5th would be aflyer it may have been me but have heard people saying stock touching barrel can cause this!tack you could buy much better rifle for more money if you wanted instead of pimping them but i cant at the moment unfortunately,have make the best of what i have.

Then my boy, You need to go PIMPING

I remove stock, affix pillars and get her glass bedded. DIY, plenty of vids on you tube

I like to Pimp, Engineering is my passion, anybody can buy an expensive rifle, i get more satisfaction getting sub 1/4" groups out of my Remmy's

It's like racing a Ferarri with a Fiat punto and winning

bazza888

thats what i mean tack,id just like tinker with it make the best of what i have maybe lighten the trigger a bit see how much better it can be,i would love a sako or anschutz saw some lovely ones made my jaw drop but too expensive at the moment im afraid!

Tackleberrywho

bazza888 wrote: »

thats what i mean tack,id just like tinker with it make the best of what i have maybe lighten the trigger a bit see how much better it can be,i would love a sako or anschutz saw some lovely ones made my jaw drop but too expensive at the moment im afraid!

The trigger you want to threat with respect, could you afford an aftermarket jobbie? I love my Timney, perfect for hunting, and has tightened my groups a sliver

€120 ~

bazza888

I was looking at ones on rimfire magic its a kit with different springs to adjust weight of trigger pull, ive being reading on other forums its very good just not to lighten it to much as it can be dangerous
http://www.rimfiremagic.co.uk/trigger_kits.html

Tackleberrywho

bazza888 wrote: »

I was looking at ones on rimfire magic its a kit with different springs to adjust weight of trigger pull, ive being reading on other forums its very good just not to lighten it to much as it can be dangerous
http://www.rimfiremagic.co.uk/trigger_kits.html

Don't play with a trigger, leave it to the experts.
A lighter trigger IMHO tightens groups, and a recrown deffo tightens groups

Both under €200 combined

bazza888

you think it would be unsafe to use the kit?

Tackleberrywho

bazza888 wrote: »

you think it would be unsafe to use the kit?

No, but adjusting a trigger is not a thing to be messed with.
A ND is a NO NO in any mans language.

The Timney/Jewell are fool proof

bazza888

ok i had a look at the timney it changes the whole trigger instead of just the spring

4gun

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

If it is only a .22lr I would not bother doing anything to it.

If you want a more accurate .22lr hunting rifle look for a 1710
Or a sako finfire

I've seen these guns doing 1/2" group at 100 yds shooting off the bonnet of a car.... another chap told me that he blew away all other makes in a compitition with one several years ago
they are one of the best starter guns your ever going to get and have got more people into shooting that any other

bazza888

I agree if i do my part right at 50yards i can cover a 3shot group with a 1cent coin when i shoot perfect,its the 5th shot if i try 5shot group thats the problem seems to fly an inch away,like i said it could be me,iwas just wondering could barrel in contact with stock do this.I think for the money i paid for it its great rifle.

clivej

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Well there are pro's in country to do said acts.

I don't own (or want to own) a CZ so I can't look at one.
I don't like them anyway.:D

However Clive did a really good job on a CZ recently, he might be able to give more advice.

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

If it is only a .22lr I would not bother doing anything to it.

If you want a more accurate .22lr hunting rifle look for a 1710
Or a sako finfire

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Then my boy, You need to go PIMPING

I remove stock, affix pillars and get her glass bedded. DIY, plenty of vids on you tube

I like to Pimp, Engineering is my passion, anybody can buy an expensive rifle, i get more satisfaction getting sub 1/4" groups out of my Remmy's

It's like racing a Ferarri with a Fiat punto and winning

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

The trigger you want to threat with respect, could you afford an aftermarket jobbie? I love my Timney, perfect for hunting, and has tightened my groups a sliver

€120 ~

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Don't play with a trigger, leave it to the experts.
A lighter trigger IMHO tightens groups, and a recrown deffo tightens groups

Both under €200 combined

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

No, but adjusting a trigger is not a thing to be messed with.
A ND is a NO NO in any mans language.

The Timney/Jewell are fool proof

Bazza888 there is hope.

Well i see tac is talking thru his arse again.
So far he has recommended spending a small fortune on changes to a gun, by his own admission he knows very little if anything about.
Tac "Little says More" best to talk about what you know about rather than just add comments to a thread.

I'm out at the mo but when I get home I'll tell you how to get your CZ 22lr lux shooting 1/2" 5/10 shot groups @50y for under €25 with a small bit of effort and using only hand tools that you should have at home. If you don't get those small groups I'll give you back the €25.

Just one word to help me. Does your 22lr lux have the front action bolt that connects to the under side of the barrel in front of the action with a piece of metal that sits on the barrel with a dovetail. I'll put photo's up later.

cliveJ

clivej

Bazza888
just to add there are 4 CZ's in the family - 2 x 22lr and 2 x 223 all shoot the best when we do our bit.

Tackleberrywho

clivej wrote: »

Bazza888 there is hope.

Well i see tac is talking thru his arse again.
So far he has recommended spending a small fortune on changes to a gun, by his own admission he knows very little if anything about.
Tac "Little says More" best to talk about what you know about rather than just add comments to a thread.

I'm out at the mo but when I get home I'll tell you how to get your CZ 22lr lux shooting 1/2" 5/10 shot groups @50y for under €25 with a small bit of effort and using only hand tools that you should have at home. If you don't get those small groups I'll give you back the €25.

Just one word to help me. Does your 22lr lux have the front action bolt that connects to the under side of the barrel in front of the action with a piece of metal that sits on the barrel with a dovetail. I'll put photo's up later.

cliveJ

Arse no, Beer yes
I had a few bevies last night in celebration of good fortune.

I did tell the OP that you had done a good job and contact you!!!

You were not online at the time to help OP.

You love the CZ Clive and many others do.
I have licenced one, well more a 1950's target BRNO not a CZ, but that is a long story

I know CZ's are accurate, one of my good mates had a very accurate one for years.
He won several comps with it.

Excuse me for being a snob and not buying Czech stuff, well maybe some of there beer is ok

You also have to acknowledge Clive that you have a great training behind you.
Not all posters could do as good a job as you did on your CZ.

I would not consider €100~ on dickieing up a rifle a big deal, but i do forget there are many out there on the rock & roll and to them €100 could be the weeks food.

Getting back to the OP.
I am wondering if the barrel is at fault, or is it the ammo. he states he was getting tight groups and then a flyer

Generally if there is a problem it is consistent if it is a mechanical fault

Tackleberrywho

4gun wrote: »

I've seen these guns doing 1/2" group at 100 yds shooting off the bonnet of a car.... another chap told me that he blew away all other makes in a compitition with one several years ago
they are one of the best starter guns your ever going to get and have got more people into shooting that any other

Ok boys they are accurate;I never said they were not, I'd still prefer an Anschútz as I think they are better made.

But this is only my opinion

Tackleberrywho

clivej wrote: »

Bazza888
just to add there are 4 CZ's in the family - 2 x 22lr and 2 x 223 all shoot the best when we do our bit.

Is a fella not allowed to have an opinion on Rifles? You are a CZ man, i'm a remington man

Both are good rifles!

clivej

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

Is a fella not allowed to have an opinion on Rifles? You are a CZ man, i'm a remington man
Both are good rifles!

Why buy a Renington and then pimp it up to shoot as well as the CZ's do OOTB is beyond me. :rolleyes:

clivej

Bazza888 have a look at these. The trigger kit will reduce your groups in 10 minutes.

YoDave trigger kit for CZ 22lr.
$15
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/CZ-452-455-and-BRNO-No-2-4-and-5-trigger-kit-/160452856255?cmd=ViewItem&pt=LH_DefaultDomain_2&hash=item255bbc49bf

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HxV1pGVs9-c

Tackleberrywho

clivej wrote: »

Why buy a Renington and then pimp it up to shoot as well as the CZ's do OOTB is beyond me. :rolleyes:

My Remington's are were very accurate out of the box Clive
The VSSF was very well behaved before I started pimping

I just want to make her better;)

The VTR 20" barrel .308 is very accurate (with a €90 recrown), still was a cheap rifle and has a FACTORY stock action and trigger at the Moment, going to get a new trigger today just coz I can

The VTR is almost the cheapest rifle on the market in it's class!
Shoots as good as a SAKO now, if not better

bazza888

clive do you mean the screw under the rear sights?theres a screw thereand more through the trigger guard

nail

Here's a job I did on my CZ452, worthwhile modification to carry out when you have the right gear and the time.
1. Free Float the barrel back to the action with sand/glass paper (coarse to fine grade) and barrel sized dowel to maintain clean straight lines and an even finish. Complete the job by oiling or sealing the exposed raw timber.
2. Bed the action into the stock to achieve a nice snug fit, using Devcon titanium, pvc tape to cover the edges of stock and other areas. Also a liberal application of vaseline on all metal parts of action which will come into contact with the Devcon. Upon curing disassemble and tidy up the edges of the Devcon and remove all vaseline from your action.
See pic's attached of free float work under barrel and the Devcon filling the voids to give better support to the action.

bazza888

thats a nice looking job you did!do put the barrel into stock with the devcon wet until it gos hard?

Tackleberrywho

bazza888 wrote: »

thats a nice looking job you did!do put the barrel into stock with the devcon wet until it gos hard?

Semi hard to take the shape AFAIK
I was watching a lad do it recently and that is my memory of it.

The material on the barrel is to stop the action sticking to the devcon.
he used a different material than vaseline though(the guy that bedded my rifle)

bazza888

cool would accuracy noticably improve by bedding it like that?

Tackleberrywho

bazza888 wrote: »

cool would accuracy noticably improve by bedding it like that?

Depends, on mine it already had pillars, if you can move the stock fore end then it should improve with bedding.

Your stock is wood yes?

The wooden jobs seem to be easiest as the material mates well with timber.
A recrown did the best increase to my accuracy on both rifles.

Every factory barrel can be a few thou of a mill out.
I do laugh as my neighbour used to put the crown of his barrel into a hole in the floor on his jeep and rest it against the gear stick.

Farmers Eh

IMhumbleO if stock is mated to action; barrel is free floating, crown is good and bipod is rigid then its up to the user.

not forgetting good ammo.
Changing brands can half groups by times!

nail

Using the Devcon, you have a good 15 minutes to work with the material, yes you can leave it a while before placing the action into the stock, but not too long, I would not recommend leaving until it starts to turn.

If you are doing it:
1.Do all your prep work first and grease the action, tape all necessary bits etc.
2.Do a few trial runs dry, to make sure you are prepared and dont forget anything.
3. Mix more than enough Devcon or whatever you are using to the job in one application.
4. When enough has been applied and you are happy to place the action, do so. There is no going back now, so torque the action retaining screws to the required torque in order to have the Devcon cure with the correct action to stock pressure.
5. Leave for 24 hours before removing. Do not use the barrel or any other prying tools to lever/remove the action from the Devcon/stock, it will be tight thats normal.
6. When you have removed the action tidy up any excess Devcon using fine files all around the edges.
7. Reassemble, go to the range and check the result.

bazza888

ordered a yodave trigger kit today so will see how it worksout whenever its delivered

clivej

Bazza888 here's wot I did to my CZ 22lr style.
Best forum on the CZ rimfire rifle is here
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=18

You ordered the trigger kit and that will be the best $15 you will ever spend on your gun. Follow the youtube link above plus read below.

Free stuff.
1- Float the barrel by sanding out the barrel channel. Use rought sandpaper and get it nearly there then use the fine stuff. Keep at it until you can slide a business card between the stock and barrel, 2 cards thickness even better. Varnish the stock inside afterwards.

2- The barrel is held in place by the front action screw that fixes to the barrel using an Escutcheon piece of metal. This is held to the barrel by a dovetail arrangement but is free to move side to side. It is recomented that this Escutcheon, part 48, is fixed to the barrel. Use a 6mm grub screw 6mm long to hold it to the barrell. Make sure the grub screw is not so long that the front action screw hits it, the grub screw, when tightening it up.
Put the grub screw in place in the Encutcheon but don't tighten it up. Reassemble the action and then screw the grub screw in, that way it will be central.

Main view


Escutcheon and 6mm x 6mm grub screw


I drilled off the top off this pin to make pushing it out a little better. Only bearly take the top off the pin. Used epoxey to keep in place after fitting the YoDave parts.

Deise Musashi

Have ordered the kit from formeryodave on the Bay of Evil, in fairness the trigger isn't totally crap as is.

I do like less creep before the break though.

I must get a torque driver for taking off and replacing the stock though.

I've seen lads get all kinds of weird groups after removing stocks for cleaning/drying and then putting them on with a big old screwdriver as tight as they can get the screws!

bazza888

got the yo dave trigger kit yesterday have to try install it soon!was at range today had some improvement at 50yard benchrestso things are going good!