US Kills 27, injures 270 in Iran

Brown Bomber

The CIA has today murderered 27 religious Iranians who were praying at a Mosque through their private terrorist group Jundullah.

Iran mosque 'suicide bombers' kill 27
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-10655900

US funds terror groups to sow chaos in Iran

Funding for their separatist causes comes directly from the CIA's classified budget but is now "no great secret", according to one former high-ranking CIA official in Washington who spoke anonymously to The Sunday Telegraph.
His claims were backed by Fred Burton, a former US state department counter-terrorism agent, who said: "The latest attacks inside Iran fall in line with US efforts to supply and train Iran's ethnic minorities to destabilise the Iranian regime."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1543798/US-funds-terror-groups-to-sow-chaos-in-Iran.html

Obomber is a ****ing murderer. I hope nobody here will apologise for this state-sponsored massacre of civilians.

old_aussie

Of course Iran will want to blame anyone else except themselves for this.

Hope this is just the start of the CIA(no proof will be found) action in Iran.

Congrats to the CIA on a job well done.

Let Iranians now live in terror of their own countryman's actions.

Hope it escalates to a civil war in Iran and it goes to the last man standing.

Iran the home of terrorism, go you homeboys.

Keep up the good work CIA

old_aussie

"The [first] attacker, dressed in women's clothing, was trying to get in the mosque, but was prevented," local MP Hossein Ali Shahriari told Fars news agency.

LOL Ban the burka LOL

digme

old_aussie wrote: »

Of course Iran will want to blame anyone else except themselves for this.

Hope this is just the start of the CIA(no proof will be found) action in Iran.

Congrats to the CIA on a job well done.

Let Iranians now live in terror of their own countryman's actions.

Hope it escalates to a civil war in Iran and it goes to the last man standing.

Iran the home of terrorism, go you homeboys.

Keep up the good work CIA

nice to see your support murder

uprising2

old_aussie wrote: »

Iran the home of terrorism, go you homeboys.

What terrorism would that be?

CIA hero's?

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

The CIA has today murderered 27 religious Iranians who were praying at a Mosque through their private terrorist group Jundullah.
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CIA used JundAllah intelligence gathering in Iran but dropped them because they were too unreliable and un-controllable. Same as Pakistan used them for intelligence but recently have begun turning over JundAllah members to the Iranians.

What's the big conspiracy? Iran support Hezbollah. What's the difference between CIA giving JundAllah support and Iran supporting Hezbollah or Iran pledged $50million to Hamas.

Old news and soap boxing again...

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

CIA used JundAllah intelligence gathering

Blowing people up is the new the "intelligence gathering" ?

studiorat wrote: »

in Iran but dropped them because they were too unreliable and un-controllable.

And you can back this up I suppose?

studiorat wrote: »

Same as Pakistan used them for intelligence but recently have begun turning over JundAllah members to the Iranians.

What's the big conspiracy?

The "war on terror" USA directly sponsoring terrorists groups and attacks. Would've thought that was obvious?

studiorat wrote: »

Iran support Hezbollah.

Hardly surprising. The only Shia state sponsoring a democratically elected Shia political party.

studiorat wrote: »

What's the difference between CIA giving JundAllah support and Iran supporting Hezbollah or Iran pledged $50million to Hamas.

Are you familiar with the mechanisms of democracy?

Hezbollah are a political party, Hamas are the democratically elected leaders of the Gaza Strip. When was the last time either Hezbollah or Hamas carried out a terrorist attack on US soil?

Jundullah aren't even insurgents they are directly controlled by the CIA and they just killed a bunch of people. Doesn't that bother you?

studiorat wrote: »

Old news and soap boxing again...

Feel free to do your bitching in a new thread on Hamas/Hezbollah.

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

And you can back this up I suppose?

Of course I can. According to Robert Baer. This was the case.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Hezbollah are a political party, Hamas are the democratically elected leaders of the Gaza Strip. When was the last time either Hezbollah or Hamas carried out a terrorist attack on US soil?

Both are also paramilitary organizations, you choose to ignore this though. That's disinformation.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Jundullah aren't even insurgents they are directly controlled by the CIA and they just killed a bunch of people. Doesn't that bother you?

That's simply not true.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Feel free to do your bitching in a new thread on Hamas/Hezbollah.

No thanks, I'll stay here. This OP isn't even a shallow attempt at a conspiracy discussion, it's just soap-boxing for your pet cause for the week.

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

Of course I can. According to Robert Baer. This was the case.



Both are also paramilitary organizations, you choose to ignore this though. That's disinformation.



That's simply not true.



No thanks, I'll stay here. This OP isn't even a shallow attempt at a conspiracy discussion, it's just soap-boxing for your pet cause for the week.

You don't answer questions you don't back anything up, please keep your Hamas fetish out of this thread as well as your opinions on me- please try and stay on topic.

robtri

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Hezbollah are a political party, Hamas are the democratically elected leaders of the Gaza Strip. When was the last time either Hezbollah or Hamas carried out a terrorist attack on US soil?

So its ok to kill and murder if you are democratically elected...
nice to know you position on that...

steelcityblues

The braindead latte liberal types will still buy his nonsense in the run-up to the 2012 election - all too predictable and depressing by now!

studiorat

The connections with the CIA are based on an ABC news story from 2008. The story itself is based on wrong information given by the Iranian security services.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Jundullah aren't even insurgents they are directly controlled by the CIA and they just killed a bunch of people. Doesn't that bother you?

People's Resistance Movement of Iran (former Jondollah of Iran ) is a defensive organization that has been formed to campaign for freedom and democracy in Iran and to protect the Baloch people and other religious and ethnic minoritiesیا.

We strive to force the Iranian regime to abandon its brutal policies against the Baloch people and other Iranian citizens.

The fact that the Iranian regime labels us as the agents of Taleban, Alqaedah, the United States of America and the United Kingdom clearly demonstrates that we cannot be part of Taleban and a friend of America at the same time.

http://jonbeshmardom.blogspot.com/2007/03/statement-of-peoples-resistance.html


Iranian investigators have not detected direction by either Pakistani or American agents. Moreover, it is believed that the group's more low-key attacks (in particular hit-and-run attacks across the border) are more a reaction to pressure applied by organized crime gangs than any other factor.

What you fail to see is that JundAllahs Baluch nationalism spans three countries; Iran, Pakistan and Afghaistan. Supporting a pan-Baluchistan movement would only worsen societal instability and national fragmentation in West Asia and South Asia not just Iran.

Brown Bomber

robtri wrote: »

So its ok to kill and murder if you are democratically elected...
nice to know you position on that...

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

The connections with the CIA are based on an ABC news story from 2008. The story itself is based on wrong information given by the Iranian security services.
http://jonbeshmardom.blogspot.com/2007/03/statement-of-peoples-resistance.html


Iranian investigators have not detected direction by either Pakistani or American agents. Moreover, it is believed that the group's more low-key attacks (in particular hit-and-run attacks across the border) are more a reaction to pressure applied by organized crime gangs than any other factor.

What you fail to see is that JundAllahs Baluch nationalism spans three countries; Iran, Pakistan and Afghaistan. Supporting a pan-Baluchistan movement would only worsen societal instability and national fragmentation in West Asia and South Asia not just Iran.

:pac::pac::pac:

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

The CIA has today murderered 27 religious Iranians who were praying at a Mosque through their private terrorist group Jundullah.
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Religious Iranians? The Revolutionary Guard? It was a Revolutionary Guard day, the attack was against them...

WakeUp

studiorat wrote: »

Religious Iranians? The Revolutionary Guard? It was a Revolutionary Guard day, the attack was against them...

Does this justify an attack in your eyes so? What is your point?

studiorat

WakeUp wrote: »

Does this justify an attack in your eyes so? What is your point?

Point is it was left out of the OP.

Are you seriously trying to make out that pointing out the omission in the OP is condoning the attacks?

WakeUp

studiorat wrote: »

Point is it was left out of the OP.

There was more than 20 people killed and over one hundred injured, the vast majority of them civillian's. In my opinion the OP description is fine. You would hardly call a gathering of people praying in a mosque non-religious now wouldn't you.

studiorat wrote: »

Are you seriously trying to make out that pointing out the omission in the OP is condoning the attacks?

Not at all , it's only you that believes there was an "omission" I would disagree, I was asking you a question hope that's alright with you. If you had of articulated yourself properly in the first place when making the original comment my question may not have been required, thanks for eventually getting back to me though.

studiorat

The OP re-iterates the Iranian Gov. story that the terrorists who committed the bombing have been supported by the CIA. When in actuality is that the CIA used Rigi's forces to track al Qaeda personnel, in this context I believe it's quite legit.

Jundullah is a purely militant outfit whose objective is to target Pakistan's pro-US rulers and US and British interests in the country. Members receive training in Afghanistan and South Waziristan, and it is now actively recruiting.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/FG20Df05.html

This particular group co-operated with US interrogators in Warizastan and Guantenamo.

Also quite handy for Iran is the fact that there are at least 3 groups who refer to themselves or are referred to by others as Jundullah.

Inquiries with well-informed sources in the Islamic world show that Jundullah is not the name of any particular organisation. It is the name of a pan-Islamic and anti-US and anti-Israel suicide terrorism phenomenon which is creeping across the Islamic world and the Muslim Diaspora in Western countries. Everybody, who takes to suicide terrorism against the US or Israel -- whether individually or as a member of a jihadi organisation --looks upon himself or herself as a Jundullah -- a soldier of Allah. All pan-Islamic jihadi organisations -- whether Al Qaeda or any other organisation -- look upon themselves as Jundullah fighting to establish the sovereignty of Allah over the Islamic world and to 'liberate' areas which, according to them, historically belonged to the Ummah.

Here's the guys who received help from the CIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Mujahedin_of_Iran#A_.22bargaining_chip.22_between_Tehran_and_Washington.3F

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

Point is it was left out of the OP.

Are you seriously trying to make out that pointing out the omission in the OP is condoning the attacks?

Do you condone the attacks

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

The OP re-iterates the Iranian Gov. story that the terrorists who committed the bombing have been supported by the CIA. When in actuality is that the CIA used Rigi's forces to track al Qaeda personnel, in this context I believe it's quite legit.




http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/FG20Df05.html

This particular group co-operated with US interrogators in Warizastan and Guantenamo.

Also quite handy for Iran is the fact that there are at least 3 groups who refer to themselves or are referred to by others as Jundullah.



Here's the guys who received help from the CIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Mujahedin_of_Iran#A_.22bargaining_chip.22_between_Tehran_and_Washington.3F

:pac::pac::pac:

Yeah; the CIA hires terrorists for surveilance
:pac::pac::pac:

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:

Yeah; the CIA hires terrorists for surveilance
:pac::pac::pac:

Not surveillance(there's another spelling mistake for you Wakey!) in the sense you seem to mean here; just information. I thought you at least would realise the CIA don't give a shi'te who their information comes from

I'm not saying CIA haven't cooperated with terrorist groups in the past but the notion of as you say the CIA created and directly control the P.I.R.M is just fantasy.

Iran have implicated Pakistan, the US, NATO, Saudi Arabia, Dubai, al Queda , pro Monarchist Iranians with PRIM. Iran is quite willing to implicate both it's political allies as well as adversaries in political theater and regional advantage.

mysterious

Studiorat : Serious question and no bull please.

Are you defending the CIA? (answer quick before I really think your onto something;) )

studiorat

Nope, I'm pointing out that the regime in Iran would rather create a threat from the outside than admit to an enemy within their own country.

At the simplest level, they would rather blame the CIA than admit they have counter revolutionaries in the country. Admitting the PIRM are acting by themselves points out their failings as a government, better to blame outside forces.

pablo_escobar

if CIA were funding a terrorist organization, the director of CIA would have admitted it on fox news already where it would receive most support.

CIA do not, nor ever have, supported terrorism.

Even if they did, it could be justified for the purpose of protecting freedom, democracy and prosperity which every US citizen enjoys.

okay, CIA supported Al Qaeda during the USSR invasion of Aghanistan... but this was to destroy the communist, socialist threat.

the west could not afford to allow a communist dictatorship influence the world with its tainted culture of selfishness and greed, its deceitful philosophies.

Truth, justice, and the american way of life prevailed triumphantly.

studiorat

troll...

pablo_escobar

maybe that just happens to be my opinion? i am allowed to have one, yes? "freedom of speech" -- clearly an american concept which i am proud of.

Yitzhak Rabin

pablo_escobar wrote: »

maybe that just happens to be my opinion? i am allowed to have one, yes? "freedom of speech" -- clearly an american concept which i am proud of.

Everyone has the right to an opinion. You don't have the right to be taken seriously though...

pablo_escobar

why not address the post, young yekahs? what is so outrageous?
my outlook is simple on this issue.

if some here like iran, why not go live there and see if you continue to like it?

you are only able to bave an opinion here because we have governments who value dissent and freedom to express opinion without fear of persecution by your government.

iran needs regime change before they start ww3

Yitzhak Rabin

pablo_escobar wrote: »

why not address the post, young yekahs? what is so outrageous?
my outlook is simple on this issue.

if some here like iran, why not go live there and see if you continue to like it?

you are only able to bave an opinion here because we have governments who value dissent and freedom to express opinion without fear of persecution by your government.

iran needs regime change before they start ww3

I'll not be addressing your post, as I've wasted enough time arguing with people of your mindset before...and I think your a troll.

But if you're interested in reading my views on Iran you can do so here

Take care old man escobar....

uprising2

pablo_escobar wrote: »

if CIA were funding a terrorist organization, the director of CIA would have admitted it on fox news already where it would receive most support.

CIA do not, nor ever have, supported terrorism.

Even if they did, it could be justified for the purpose of protecting freedom, democracy and prosperity which every US citizen enjoys.

okay, CIA supported Al Qaeda during the USSR invasion of Aghanistan... but this was to destroy the communist, socialist threat.

the west could not afford to allow a communist dictatorship influence the world with its tainted culture of selfishness and greed, its deceitful philosophies.

Truth, justice, and the american way of life prevailed triumphantly.

You owe me a laptop!, well not really, but reading your post and drinking tea don't mix.
I must point out it can also cause cunvulsions when tea is not involved, your post should have a warning attached.