US Kills 27, injures 270 in Iran

Brown Bomber

The CIA has today murderered 27 religious Iranians who were praying at a Mosque through their private terrorist group Jundullah.

Iran mosque 'suicide bombers' kill 27
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-10655900

US funds terror groups to sow chaos in Iran

Funding for their separatist causes comes directly from the CIA's classified budget but is now "no great secret", according to one former high-ranking CIA official in Washington who spoke anonymously to The Sunday Telegraph.
His claims were backed by Fred Burton, a former US state department counter-terrorism agent, who said: "The latest attacks inside Iran fall in line with US efforts to supply and train Iran's ethnic minorities to destabilise the Iranian regime."

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1543798/US-funds-terror-groups-to-sow-chaos-in-Iran.html

Obomber is a ****ing murderer. I hope nobody here will apologise for this state-sponsored massacre of civilians.

old_aussie

Of course Iran will want to blame anyone else except themselves for this.

Hope this is just the start of the CIA(no proof will be found) action in Iran.

Congrats to the CIA on a job well done.

Let Iranians now live in terror of their own countryman's actions.

Hope it escalates to a civil war in Iran and it goes to the last man standing.

Iran the home of terrorism, go you homeboys.

Keep up the good work CIA

old_aussie

"The [first] attacker, dressed in women's clothing, was trying to get in the mosque, but was prevented," local MP Hossein Ali Shahriari told Fars news agency.

LOL Ban the burka LOL

digme

old_aussie wrote: »

Of course Iran will want to blame anyone else except themselves for this.

Hope this is just the start of the CIA(no proof will be found) action in Iran.

Congrats to the CIA on a job well done.

Let Iranians now live in terror of their own countryman's actions.

Hope it escalates to a civil war in Iran and it goes to the last man standing.

Iran the home of terrorism, go you homeboys.

Keep up the good work CIA

nice to see your support murder

uprising2

old_aussie wrote: »

Iran the home of terrorism, go you homeboys.

What terrorism would that be?

CIA hero's?

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

The CIA has today murderered 27 religious Iranians who were praying at a Mosque through their private terrorist group Jundullah.
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CIA used JundAllah intelligence gathering in Iran but dropped them because they were too unreliable and un-controllable. Same as Pakistan used them for intelligence but recently have begun turning over JundAllah members to the Iranians.

What's the big conspiracy? Iran support Hezbollah. What's the difference between CIA giving JundAllah support and Iran supporting Hezbollah or Iran pledged $50million to Hamas.

Old news and soap boxing again...

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

CIA used JundAllah intelligence gathering

Blowing people up is the new the "intelligence gathering" ?

studiorat wrote: »

in Iran but dropped them because they were too unreliable and un-controllable.

And you can back this up I suppose?

studiorat wrote: »

Same as Pakistan used them for intelligence but recently have begun turning over JundAllah members to the Iranians.

What's the big conspiracy?

The "war on terror" USA directly sponsoring terrorists groups and attacks. Would've thought that was obvious?

studiorat wrote: »

Iran support Hezbollah.

Hardly surprising. The only Shia state sponsoring a democratically elected Shia political party.

studiorat wrote: »

What's the difference between CIA giving JundAllah support and Iran supporting Hezbollah or Iran pledged $50million to Hamas.

Are you familiar with the mechanisms of democracy?

Hezbollah are a political party, Hamas are the democratically elected leaders of the Gaza Strip. When was the last time either Hezbollah or Hamas carried out a terrorist attack on US soil?

Jundullah aren't even insurgents they are directly controlled by the CIA and they just killed a bunch of people. Doesn't that bother you?

studiorat wrote: »

Old news and soap boxing again...

Feel free to do your bitching in a new thread on Hamas/Hezbollah.

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

And you can back this up I suppose?

Of course I can. According to Robert Baer. This was the case.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Hezbollah are a political party, Hamas are the democratically elected leaders of the Gaza Strip. When was the last time either Hezbollah or Hamas carried out a terrorist attack on US soil?

Both are also paramilitary organizations, you choose to ignore this though. That's disinformation.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Jundullah aren't even insurgents they are directly controlled by the CIA and they just killed a bunch of people. Doesn't that bother you?

That's simply not true.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Feel free to do your bitching in a new thread on Hamas/Hezbollah.

No thanks, I'll stay here. This OP isn't even a shallow attempt at a conspiracy discussion, it's just soap-boxing for your pet cause for the week.

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

Of course I can. According to Robert Baer. This was the case.



Both are also paramilitary organizations, you choose to ignore this though. That's disinformation.



That's simply not true.



No thanks, I'll stay here. This OP isn't even a shallow attempt at a conspiracy discussion, it's just soap-boxing for your pet cause for the week.

You don't answer questions you don't back anything up, please keep your Hamas fetish out of this thread as well as your opinions on me- please try and stay on topic.

robtri

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Hezbollah are a political party, Hamas are the democratically elected leaders of the Gaza Strip. When was the last time either Hezbollah or Hamas carried out a terrorist attack on US soil?

So its ok to kill and murder if you are democratically elected...
nice to know you position on that...

steelcityblues

The braindead latte liberal types will still buy his nonsense in the run-up to the 2012 election - all too predictable and depressing by now!

studiorat

The connections with the CIA are based on an ABC news story from 2008. The story itself is based on wrong information given by the Iranian security services.

Brown Bomber wrote: »

Jundullah aren't even insurgents they are directly controlled by the CIA and they just killed a bunch of people. Doesn't that bother you?

People's Resistance Movement of Iran (former Jondollah of Iran ) is a defensive organization that has been formed to campaign for freedom and democracy in Iran and to protect the Baloch people and other religious and ethnic minoritiesیا.

We strive to force the Iranian regime to abandon its brutal policies against the Baloch people and other Iranian citizens.

The fact that the Iranian regime labels us as the agents of Taleban, Alqaedah, the United States of America and the United Kingdom clearly demonstrates that we cannot be part of Taleban and a friend of America at the same time.

http://jonbeshmardom.blogspot.com/2007/03/statement-of-peoples-resistance.html


Iranian investigators have not detected direction by either Pakistani or American agents. Moreover, it is believed that the group's more low-key attacks (in particular hit-and-run attacks across the border) are more a reaction to pressure applied by organized crime gangs than any other factor.

What you fail to see is that JundAllahs Baluch nationalism spans three countries; Iran, Pakistan and Afghaistan. Supporting a pan-Baluchistan movement would only worsen societal instability and national fragmentation in West Asia and South Asia not just Iran.

Brown Bomber

robtri wrote: »

So its ok to kill and murder if you are democratically elected...
nice to know you position on that...

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

The connections with the CIA are based on an ABC news story from 2008. The story itself is based on wrong information given by the Iranian security services.
http://jonbeshmardom.blogspot.com/2007/03/statement-of-peoples-resistance.html


Iranian investigators have not detected direction by either Pakistani or American agents. Moreover, it is believed that the group's more low-key attacks (in particular hit-and-run attacks across the border) are more a reaction to pressure applied by organized crime gangs than any other factor.

What you fail to see is that JundAllahs Baluch nationalism spans three countries; Iran, Pakistan and Afghaistan. Supporting a pan-Baluchistan movement would only worsen societal instability and national fragmentation in West Asia and South Asia not just Iran.

:pac::pac::pac:

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

The CIA has today murderered 27 religious Iranians who were praying at a Mosque through their private terrorist group Jundullah.
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Religious Iranians? The Revolutionary Guard? It was a Revolutionary Guard day, the attack was against them...

WakeUp

studiorat wrote: »

Religious Iranians? The Revolutionary Guard? It was a Revolutionary Guard day, the attack was against them...

Does this justify an attack in your eyes so? What is your point?

studiorat

WakeUp wrote: »

Does this justify an attack in your eyes so? What is your point?

Point is it was left out of the OP.

Are you seriously trying to make out that pointing out the omission in the OP is condoning the attacks?

WakeUp

studiorat wrote: »

Point is it was left out of the OP.

There was more than 20 people killed and over one hundred injured, the vast majority of them civillian's. In my opinion the OP description is fine. You would hardly call a gathering of people praying in a mosque non-religious now wouldn't you.

studiorat wrote: »

Are you seriously trying to make out that pointing out the omission in the OP is condoning the attacks?

Not at all , it's only you that believes there was an "omission" I would disagree, I was asking you a question hope that's alright with you. If you had of articulated yourself properly in the first place when making the original comment my question may not have been required, thanks for eventually getting back to me though.

studiorat

The OP re-iterates the Iranian Gov. story that the terrorists who committed the bombing have been supported by the CIA. When in actuality is that the CIA used Rigi's forces to track al Qaeda personnel, in this context I believe it's quite legit.

Jundullah is a purely militant outfit whose objective is to target Pakistan's pro-US rulers and US and British interests in the country. Members receive training in Afghanistan and South Waziristan, and it is now actively recruiting.

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/FG20Df05.html

This particular group co-operated with US interrogators in Warizastan and Guantenamo.

Also quite handy for Iran is the fact that there are at least 3 groups who refer to themselves or are referred to by others as Jundullah.

Inquiries with well-informed sources in the Islamic world show that Jundullah is not the name of any particular organisation. It is the name of a pan-Islamic and anti-US and anti-Israel suicide terrorism phenomenon which is creeping across the Islamic world and the Muslim Diaspora in Western countries. Everybody, who takes to suicide terrorism against the US or Israel -- whether individually or as a member of a jihadi organisation --looks upon himself or herself as a Jundullah -- a soldier of Allah. All pan-Islamic jihadi organisations -- whether Al Qaeda or any other organisation -- look upon themselves as Jundullah fighting to establish the sovereignty of Allah over the Islamic world and to 'liberate' areas which, according to them, historically belonged to the Ummah.

Here's the guys who received help from the CIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Mujahedin_of_Iran#A_.22bargaining_chip.22_between_Tehran_and_Washington.3F

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

Point is it was left out of the OP.

Are you seriously trying to make out that pointing out the omission in the OP is condoning the attacks?

Do you condone the attacks

Brown Bomber

studiorat wrote: »

The OP re-iterates the Iranian Gov. story that the terrorists who committed the bombing have been supported by the CIA. When in actuality is that the CIA used Rigi's forces to track al Qaeda personnel, in this context I believe it's quite legit.




http://www.atimes.com/atimes/South_Asia/FG20Df05.html

This particular group co-operated with US interrogators in Warizastan and Guantenamo.

Also quite handy for Iran is the fact that there are at least 3 groups who refer to themselves or are referred to by others as Jundullah.



Here's the guys who received help from the CIA http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/People%27s_Mujahedin_of_Iran#A_.22bargaining_chip.22_between_Tehran_and_Washington.3F

:pac::pac::pac:

Yeah; the CIA hires terrorists for surveilance
:pac::pac::pac:

studiorat

Brown Bomber wrote: »

:pac::pac::pac:

Yeah; the CIA hires terrorists for surveilance
:pac::pac::pac:

Not surveillance(there's another spelling mistake for you Wakey!) in the sense you seem to mean here; just information. I thought you at least would realise the CIA don't give a shi'te who their information comes from

I'm not saying CIA haven't cooperated with terrorist groups in the past but the notion of as you say the CIA created and directly control the P.I.R.M is just fantasy.

Iran have implicated Pakistan, the US, NATO, Saudi Arabia, Dubai, al Queda , pro Monarchist Iranians with PRIM. Iran is quite willing to implicate both it's political allies as well as adversaries in political theater and regional advantage.

mysterious

Studiorat : Serious question and no bull please.

Are you defending the CIA? (answer quick before I really think your onto something;) )

studiorat

Nope, I'm pointing out that the regime in Iran would rather create a threat from the outside than admit to an enemy within their own country.

At the simplest level, they would rather blame the CIA than admit they have counter revolutionaries in the country. Admitting the PIRM are acting by themselves points out their failings as a government, better to blame outside forces.

pablo_escobar

if CIA were funding a terrorist organization, the director of CIA would have admitted it on fox news already where it would receive most support.

CIA do not, nor ever have, supported terrorism.

Even if they did, it could be justified for the purpose of protecting freedom, democracy and prosperity which every US citizen enjoys.

okay, CIA supported Al Qaeda during the USSR invasion of Aghanistan... but this was to destroy the communist, socialist threat.

the west could not afford to allow a communist dictatorship influence the world with its tainted culture of selfishness and greed, its deceitful philosophies.

Truth, justice, and the american way of life prevailed triumphantly.

studiorat

troll...

pablo_escobar

maybe that just happens to be my opinion? i am allowed to have one, yes? "freedom of speech" -- clearly an american concept which i am proud of.

Yitzhak Rabin

pablo_escobar wrote: »

maybe that just happens to be my opinion? i am allowed to have one, yes? "freedom of speech" -- clearly an american concept which i am proud of.

Everyone has the right to an opinion. You don't have the right to be taken seriously though...

pablo_escobar

why not address the post, young yekahs? what is so outrageous?
my outlook is simple on this issue.

if some here like iran, why not go live there and see if you continue to like it?

you are only able to bave an opinion here because we have governments who value dissent and freedom to express opinion without fear of persecution by your government.

iran needs regime change before they start ww3

Yitzhak Rabin

pablo_escobar wrote: »

why not address the post, young yekahs? what is so outrageous?
my outlook is simple on this issue.

if some here like iran, why not go live there and see if you continue to like it?

you are only able to bave an opinion here because we have governments who value dissent and freedom to express opinion without fear of persecution by your government.

iran needs regime change before they start ww3

I'll not be addressing your post, as I've wasted enough time arguing with people of your mindset before...and I think your a troll.

But if you're interested in reading my views on Iran you can do so here

Take care old man escobar....

uprising2

pablo_escobar wrote: »

if CIA were funding a terrorist organization, the director of CIA would have admitted it on fox news already where it would receive most support.

CIA do not, nor ever have, supported terrorism.

Even if they did, it could be justified for the purpose of protecting freedom, democracy and prosperity which every US citizen enjoys.

okay, CIA supported Al Qaeda during the USSR invasion of Aghanistan... but this was to destroy the communist, socialist threat.

the west could not afford to allow a communist dictatorship influence the world with its tainted culture of selfishness and greed, its deceitful philosophies.

Truth, justice, and the american way of life prevailed triumphantly.

You owe me a laptop!, well not really, but reading your post and drinking tea don't mix.
I must point out it can also cause cunvulsions when tea is not involved, your post should have a warning attached.

mysterious

pablo_escobar wrote: »

if CIA were funding a terrorist organization, the director of CIA would have admitted it on fox news already where it would receive most support.

CIA do not, nor ever have, supported terrorism.

Even if they did, it could be justified for the purpose of protecting freedom, democracy and prosperity which every US citizen enjoys.

okay, CIA supported Al Qaeda during the USSR invasion of Aghanistan... but this was to destroy the communist, socialist threat.

the west could not afford to allow a communist dictatorship influence the world with its tainted culture of selfishness and greed, its deceitful philosophies.

Truth, justice, and the american way of life prevailed triumphantly.

mysterious

pablo_escobar wrote: »

why not address the post, young yekahs? what is so outrageous?
my outlook is simple on this issue.

if some here like iran, why not go live there and see if you continue to like it?

you are only able to bave an opinion here because we have governments who value dissent and freedom to express opinion without fear of persecution by your government.

iran needs regime change before they start ww3

Why would Iran start WW3, beside the complete nonsense you post, what would Iran gain in starting WW3. Let's just stand back for a moment at the real facts. The UK/USA/Israel alliance want to invade Iran and take control of it. Not the other way around.

I never understand why people just always asume a brown race country is evil.:rolleyes:

pablo_escobar

yekahs wrote:

I'll not be addressing your post, as I've wasted enough time arguing with people of your mindset before...and I think your a troll.

But if you're interested in reading my views on Iran you can do so here

Take care old man escobar....

I was not aware of your views on Iran up until now and am actually quite surprised by how similar my own views are.

What I don't understand is why you would call me a troll for expressing an opinion somewhat similar to your own, and which you say cannot be taken seriously.

Anyway, I want to see regime change in Iran because the current president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, is leading Iran down the path of confrontation with Israel and the US with its nuclear weapon ambitions.

The only defensive measure against such a rogue state such as Iran is a pre-emptive airstrike on its nuclear facilities.

If there are alternative ways for regime change such as supporting Jundallah Freedom Fighters to bomb the civilian population, then it is an option which cannot be taken off the table.

One cannot get emotional about civilian casualties in war because you have to look at the bigger picture here which is regime change in Iran and a safer middle east for everyone.

War is an ugly pre-requisite towards a lasting peace between different cultures.

As I said before, i'll say again.For those who feel it is unjust to attack Iran, remember the freedom you enjoy today is because of war.

Our grandparents battled the nazis in WW2 and now we must fight the arabs/muslims to preserve our own freedom, it is really that simple.

War has been a necessary evil for centuries.

pablo_escobar

mysterious wrote:

Why would Iran start WW3, beside the complete nonsense you post, what would Iran gain in starting WW3. Let's just stand back for a moment at the real facts. The UK/USA/Israel alliance want to invade Iran and take control of it. Not the other way around.

I never understand why people just always asume a brown race country is evil.

Iran has made no secret of its desire to wipe israel off the face of the planet and since they now have nuclear weapons, it is only a matter of time before they achieve this goal.

Israel have been terrorised by the palestinians for decades and Iran has overwhelmingly supported the efforts of Hamas to attack and kill innocent israeli civilians.

Why is it so far fetched to believe that nuclear materials could end up in the hands of Hamas who could have a suicide bomber attack tel aviv with a dirty bomb?

UK / USA don't want control of Iran, they never have done..this nonsense about getting cheap oil is just fantasy from left wingers on capitol hill.

Regime change is necessary to simply preserve freedom, democracy and prosperity in our own lands.

Yes, there will be civilian casualties, but that's war.

uprising2

pablo_escobar wrote: »

Iran has made no secret of its desire to wipe israel off the face of the planet and since they now have nuclear weapons, it is only a matter of time before they achieve this goal.

Israel have been terrorised by the palestinians for decades and Iran has overwhelmingly supported the efforts of Hamas to attack and kill innocent israeli civilians.

Why is it so far fetched to believe that nuclear materials could end up in the hands of Hamas who could have a suicide bomber attack tel aviv with a dirty bomb?

UK / USA don't want control of Iran, they never have done..this nonsense about getting cheap oil is just fantasy from left wingers on capitol hill.

Regime change is necessary to simply preserve freedom, democracy and prosperity in our own lands.

Yes, there will be civilian casualties, but that's war.

I could argue with you, but I won't, nothing I could say would change your view.
I'm shellshocked by your blinded view to be honest, I honestly hope you are the one in a million.
Are you American Pablo?

Oh and....
WHEN did Iran get nuclear weapons?

Yes, there will be civilian casualties, but that's war

Ohh...... so no big deal?, yeah "that's war!!!", just as long as it's not near Pablo's gaff, fukk the Iranian terrorist civilians and young terrorists, old terrorists, great grandmother terrorists, unborn terrorists, kill them all, because we need to "preserve freedom, democracy and prosperity in our own lands"

Thats far out, even for here.

Lab_Mouse

pablo_escobar wrote: »

Our grandparents battled the nazis in WW2

my grandparents fought the british actually.In a war of independance no less.

studiorat

pablo_escobar wrote: »

if CIA were funding a terrorist organization, the director of CIA would have admitted it on fox news already where it would receive most support.

Sounds uncannily like sarcasm to me. It's not? Apologies...
I'd imagine the Fox audience would be somewhat more isolationist though...

With all respect, from here you seem to be slipping and sliding in and out of common sense.

pablo_escobar wrote: »

CIA do not, nor ever have, supported terrorism.

Sarcasm detector off the scale again!!!

pablo_escobar wrote: »

Even if they did, it could be justified for the purpose of protecting freedom, democracy and prosperity which every US citizen enjoys.

From an US pov maybe it could be justified, but US involvement in other regimes, no matter how well intentioned, has practically always lead to a worsening of the situation. They helped do away with a perfectly good democracy in Iran in the first place at the behest of the British and created the situation whereby the Mullah's could come to power.

pablo_escobar wrote: »

okay, CIA supported Al Qaeda during the USSR invasion of Aghanistan... but this was to destroy the communist, socialist threat.

Not really. They supported the Afghan Mujahideen. The Mujahideen rebelled against the Democratic Republic of Afghanistan in the late '70's. The DRA requested the assistance of the Soviet Union. There never really was a "Communist/Socialist threat". I believe the US were involved purely to make thigs difficult for the Soviets.

The Mujahideen received aid from the US, Saudi, Pakistan, Iran and China among many others. Not just the CIA. AL Quaeda is a very different animal IMO.

pablo_escobar wrote: »

the west could not afford to allow a communist dictatorship influence the world with its tainted culture of selfishness and greed, its deceitful philosophies.

It's had more influence than you might imagine. China, Cuba, Cyprus all have communist governments, in fact Cyprus has a democratically elected communist government. And it has certainly left it's mark in Europe, nearly every country has an active socialist party within.

pablo_escobar wrote: »

Truth, justice, and the american way of life prevailed triumphantly.

Now, that certainly is sarcasm.

bonkey

yekahs wrote: »

Everyone has the right to an opinion. You don't have the right to be taken seriously though...

In this forum, however, the charter does give people the right to expect that others will treat their opinion with respect

studiorat

studiorat wrote: »

Iran have implicated Pakistan, the US, NATO, Saudi Arabia, Dubai, al Queda , pro Monarchist Iranians with PRIM. Iran is quite willing to implicate both it's political allies as well as adversaries in political theater and regional advantage.

This guy really has a persecution complex. Ahmadinejad says Russia part of anti-Iran campaign

Clawdeeus

uprising2 wrote: »

I could argue with you, but I won't, nothing I could say would change your view.
I'm shellshocked by your blinded view to be honest, I honestly hope you are the one in a million.
Are you American Pablo?

Oh and....
WHEN did Iran get nuclear weapons?



Ohh...... so no big deal?, yeah "that's war!!!", just as long as it's not near Pablo's gaff, fukk the Iranian terrorist civilians and young terrorists, old terrorists, great grandmother terrorists, unborn terrorists, kill them all, because we need to "preserve freedom, democracy and prosperity in our own lands"

Thats far out, even for here.

Dont even know why I am here, personally I am very skeptical regarding any conspiracy theory, and this is no exception, however...

War is never a good idea, but can be (in certain situations) the best (or the least bad). I can think of a few off the top of my head that would qualify as such, and Im sure you could to.

A little childish to ask if Pablo is American (within the context), as though his opinion can be disregarded/ called into question because of his nationality... Are you Persian?

@ the original poster.

This entire idea of every wrong doing in the muslim world having something to do with the US is strangely Amero-centric. As though these people have no other reason to act the way they do, or means to act as such, if it were not for American policy/ support.

Im gonna go ahead and guess your opinion on 9/11, the invasion of Iraq/Afghanistan, and American support for Israel, all on that original post. Im going to go ahead and assume you have a pre set paradigm that any event you will bend to fit into.

If Im wrong, I apologise, but I doubt it.

studiorat

Clawdeeus wrote: »

pre set paradigm

+1

I notice all the coverage of Rigi states the CIA promised them weapons. Does anyone say they actually gave them weapons?

Assuming that of course is Rigi and he's not speaking under duress.

Brown Bomber

pablo_escobar wrote: »

Iran has made no secret of its desire to wipe israel off the face of the planet

:pac:

pablo_escobar wrote: »

and since they now have nuclear
weapons

:pac::pac::pac:

pablo_escobar wrote: »

Israel have been terrorised by the palestinians for decades

:pac:

pablo_escobar wrote: »

Iran has overwhelmingly supported the efforts of Hamas to attack and kill innocent israeli civilians.

:pac:

pablo_escobar wrote: »

Why is it so far fetched to believe that nuclear materials could end up in the hands of Hamas who could have a suicide bomber attack tel aviv with a dirty bomb?

:pac::pac:

pablo_escobar wrote: »

UK / USA don't want control of Iran, they never have done..this nonsense about getting cheap oil is just fantasy from left wingers on capitol hill.

:pac::pac::pac:

pablo_escobar wrote: »

Regime change is necessary to simply preserve freedom, democracy and prosperity in our own lands.

:pac::pac:

pablo_escobar wrote: »

Yes, there will be civilian casualties, but that's war.

:mad:

Thanks for that...:)

Brown Bomber

pablo_escobar wrote: »

if CIA were funding a terrorist organization, the director of CIA would have admitted it on fox news already where it would receive most support.

CIA do not, nor ever have, supported terrorism.

Even if they did, it could be justified for the purpose of protecting freedom, democracy and prosperity which every US citizen enjoys.

okay, CIA supported Al Qaeda during the USSR invasion of Aghanistan... but this was to destroy the communist, socialist threat.

the west could not afford to allow a communist dictatorship influence the world with its tainted culture of selfishness and greed, its deceitful philosophies.

Truth, justice, and the american way of life prevailed triumphantly.

Did you work for the Ministry of Truth in 1984?

WakeUp

studiorat wrote: »

This guy really has a persecution complex. Ahmadinejad says Russia part of anti-Iran campaign

It is understandable, imo. His country is surrounded by what he would consider to be hostile forces. His country is constantly being threatened with war. His country is currently suffering at the hands of a fourth round of UN sanctions based on speculation. His country is suffering at the hands of unilateral US sanctions based on speculation. If I was him I would probably be feeling slightly persecuted alright.

PirateShampoo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

:pac:


:pac::pac::pac:

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:pac::pac:


:mad:

Thanks for that...:)

Well i learnt something new from your post. You cant post more than 15 face images.

studiorat

WakeUp wrote: »

His country is currently suffering at the hands of a fourth round of UN sanctions based on speculation. His country is suffering at the hands of unilateral US sanctions based on speculation. If I was him I would probably be feeling slightly persecuted alright.

Speculation? Even Russia have pulled the plug on him...
Why do you think they haven't complied with the disclosure requirements of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty that Iran signed?

Why is it the only country to be in noncompliance with its nuclear safeguards obligations?

Even his own Imam Ali Khamenei their supreme leader has told him not to "personalize" the nuclear issue. He's creating the situation himself, nut case that he is.

Brown Bomber

The only way Iran are creating the situation themselves is the same way North Korea and anyone else in "the axis of evil" are creating the situation themselves, not being subservient to the US and the international bankers behind them.

It is like saying a rape victim brought the situation on themselves by saying no when asked nicely.

PirateShampoo

Brown Bomber wrote: »

The only way Iran are creating the situation themselves is the same way North Korea and anyone else in "the axis of evil" are creating the situation themselves, not being subservient to the US and the international bankers behind them.

It is like saying a rape victim brought the situation on themselves by saying no when asked nicely.

Seriously? Are you really that naive?

North Korea threatens to nuke somebody different every week.

And your rape analogy is truly something special.

WakeUp

studiorat wrote: »

Speculation? Even Russia have pulled the plug on him...

That’s all well and good, still does not detract from the fact that at this moment in time their accusations are purely conjecture.

studiorat wrote: »

Why do you think they haven't complied with the disclosure requirements of the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty that Iran signed?

Could be for any number of reasons. Why hasn’t Israel, the Iranians chief tormentor signed up to the NPT?

studiorat wrote: »

Why is it the only country to be in noncompliance with its nuclear safeguards obligations?

That’s laughable actually. See my reply to your previous question please.

studiorat wrote: »

Even his own Imam Ali Khamenei their supreme leader has told him not to "personalize" the nuclear issue. He's creating the situation himself, nut case that he is.

And the point of that comment is what exactly?

Brown Bomber

PirateShampoo wrote: »

Seriously? Are you really that naive?

Naive? take your swine flu shot did you? :D;)

Naive is thinking North Korea sank the Cheonan. Bet you do, do you?

PirateShampoo wrote: »

North Korea threatens to nuke somebody different every week.

Yeah nucleared powered words.

PirateShampoo wrote: »

And your rape analogy is truly something special.

Doesn't have to be an analogy. The Americans are sick ****s. You are in favour of spreading this sick ****ing cancer of American colonialism all over the world because your media lies to you daily and you are unable to accept it.

Imagine this is your family...

Fakhriah was particularly worried about Abeer. Now 14, her fragile beauty was attracting a lot of unwanted attention...

Sneaking up on the house, the soldiers corralled the whole family into the bedroom. After they had recovered the family's AK-47 and Green had confirmed it was locked and loaded,


Barker and Cortez left, yanking Abeer behind them. Spielman set up guard in the doorway between the foyer and living room, while Cortez shoved Abeer into the living room, pushed her down, and Barker pinned her outstretched arms down with his knees.

In the bedroom, Green was losing control of his prisoners. The woman made a run for the door. Green shot her once in the back and she fell to the floor. The man became unhinged. Green turned his own AK on him and pulled the trigger. It jammed. Panicking, as the man advanced on him, Green switched to his shotgun. The first shot blasted the top of the man's head off. Then Green turned to the little girl, who was running for a corner. This time the AK worked. He raised the rifle and shot Hadeel in the back of the head. She fell to the ground.


Spielman came in, saw the carnage and was furious. Green explained the AK had jammed and Spielman began searching for shotgun casings.
As Green was executing the family, Cortez finished raping Abeer and switched positions with Barker. Green came out of the bedroom and announced to Barker and Cortez, "They're all dead. I killed them all." Cortez held Abeer down and Green raped her. Then Cortez pushed a pillow over her face, still pinning her arms with his knees. Green grabbed the AK, pointed the gun at the pillow, and fired one shot, killing Abeer.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/jul/24/war-crimes-us-soldiers-iraq

Imagine these are your children...

Dramatic increases in infant mortality, cancer and leukaemia in the Iraqi city of Fallujah, which was bombarded by US Marines in 2004, exceed those reported by survivors of the atomic bombs that were dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki in 1945, according to a new study.


Iraqi doctors in Fallujah have complained since 2005 of being overwhelmed by the number of babies with serious birth defects, ranging from a girl born with two heads to paralysis of the lower limbs. They said they were also seeing far more cancers than they did before the battle for Fallujah between US troops and insurgents.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/middle-east/toxic-legacy-of-us-assault-on-fallujah-worse-than-hiroshima-2034065.html

This is what you are in favour of.