Love/Hate [** Spoilers **]

mitosis

mitosis wrote: »

First time viewer here. Watched it because apparently I must. Gratuitous violence, rubbish continuity and ham acting. Are standards driven so low now that this is regarded as really, really good?

The only, and I mean only, good thing about the show is it is an Irish production set in Dublin.

It bears a striking resemblance in story and theme to Romanzo Criminale. A little too striking, perhaps.

To a certain degree its real life though. It portrays a real volatile dog-eat-dog world. We hear stories often on the news, 'Man gunned down in pub' etc; and we make judgements without perhaps having little knowledge on the matter. I think that is why is strikes a chord with so many people because it portrays an underworld in Ireland that we are all blissfully unaware of the full extent. It takes us out of our comfort zone a bit and actually makes us take stock of whats important. Well for me it does anyway.

I dont believe it glamorises gangs. If anything, its a real awakening for all the wannabe gangsters in Ireland. if it keeps one young lad from joining a gang or maybe even shows another that there is a better life and causes them to walk away from a gang then it'll have been a success

JonathanAnon

JonathanAnon wrote: »

I'm still finding it hard to forget the Chill ad he was in though.. (because of his very distinct voice)

When Nidge rang him tonight, I was half expecting him to say "It's okay Nidge, I'll take it from here"..

Perhaps Chill should rename to 'Coola-Boola' insurance

Ash.J.Williams

Major nod to the movie "irreversible" last night

newballsplease

delw wrote: »

Jasus the acting is still as bad as ever (better than Fair City all the same) but the story line keeps you coming back for more,it's like car crash tv

Get the **** out !

It aint that bad. Class show

mitosis

listermint wrote: »

Meh to pretty much everything you've typed.


a big MEH

There it is!

Have standards fallen so far this passes as debate? :P

ThisRegard

el diablo wrote: »

When Fran came to help he was driving a left hand drive car. The next scene it was right hand drive. Or maybe I'm seeing things.

He was driving a van, and was definitely a right hand drive when se stopped on the way when the gardai drove past him.

Many people on this thread just try to find holes etc because it's an Irish made show and on RTE. If it was a BBC or a US network production we'd have "Why didn't RTE make this show, a shure didn't they turn down Father Ted".

Lapin wrote: »

Anyway, like I said, if people can't handle seeing prostitution and violence portrayed in a drama, then they shouldn't watch it anymore.

No need for RTÉ to give out helpline numbers after a show like this.

It's not for people who are affected by what they see on the show, it's for people who have been directly affected by the subject matter. For example some women may have been raped by people they know etc, have sat on it and seeing a show like this may bring it all back and they're provided with a helpline to deal with what happened to them.

Happyman42

ThisRegard wrote: »

He was driving a van, and was definitely a right hand drive when se stopped on the way when the gardai drove past him.

Many people on this thread just try to find holes etc because it's an Irish made show and on RTE. If it was a BBC or a US network production we'd have "Why didn't RTE make this show, a shure didn't they turn down Father Ted".

Oh please, spare us the craw thumping.Generally a BBC or US production will employ competent and relevantly qualified people to spot the 'holes'. The pretty boy should have been written out long ago if the writing was at the heart of this series. It isn't, it all looks slick and competent but like so many under funded and under resourced things, it is flawed. Unneccessarily so imo.

JessePinkman

Nidge is an excellent charachter,Comic but with a mean streak...Darren is so poorly cast....Love Fran the man !!! Coolaboola !!!!

ThisRegard

Happyman42 wrote: »

Oh please, spare us the craw thumping.

Not sure you're even using that phrase in the context you think you are, as A. There's no religous zealotry coming from me, and B, if you're using it with reference to just giving out, you're laughable considering what's come before my post.

Happyman42

ThisRegard wrote: »

Not sure you're even using that phrase in the context you think you are, as A. There's no religous zealotry coming from me, and B, if you're using it with reference to just giving out, you're laughable considering what's come before my post.

It was used in reference to your, 'leave it alone coz it's Irish' defensive breast beating and it's similarity to breast beating in defence of the 'Irish' RC church. Deal with the issues raised. Issues that some of us (more concerned with quality than jingoistic head in the sand excuse making) have. eg. Image over content, production values, writing and characterisation. It's country of origin doesn't excuse those flaws.

meriwether

Happyman42 wrote: »

It was used in reference to your, 'leave it alone coz it's Irish' defensive breast beating and it's similarity to breast beating in defence of the 'Irish' RC church. Deal with the issues raised. Issues that some of us (more concerned with quality than jingoistic head in the sand excuse making) have. eg. Image over content, production values, writing and characterisation. It's country of origin doesn't excuse those flaws.

That analogy is quite a stretch.

Happyman42

meriwether wrote: »

That analogy is quite a stretch.

Same 'head in the sand' mentality imo. Why can't we be critical of an Irish production without the BS accusations?

meriwether

Happyman42 wrote: »

Same 'head in the sand' mentality imo. Why can't we be critical of an Irish production without the BS accusations?

What if your criticism is BS?

Happyman42

meriwether wrote: »

What if your criticism is BS?

Counter it then. Let the cast shoot the messengers.:rolleyes:

Hidalgo

ThisRegard wrote: »

He was driving a van, and was definitely a right hand drive when se stopped on the way when the gardai drove past him.

Thought Fran was originally driving a left hand drive myself when it first showed him and then it was a RHD.

Still Fran is the man

ThisRegard

Happyman42 wrote: »

It was used in reference to your, 'leave it alone coz it's Irish' defensive breast beating and it's similarity to breast beating in defence of the 'Irish' RC church. Deal with the issues raised.

You seem focused on something that's not there. I never said leave it alone because it's Irish, read my post again, it's plainly obvious. I said some people post disparaging comments because it is an Irish production on RTE.

The distinction may be a little too subtle for someone who brings up the church in a debate about a tv show in which gangsters are the subject.

meriwether

Happyman42 wrote: »

Counter it then. Let the cast shoot the messengers.:rolleyes:

In relation to your criticism of a minor continuity error, my counter would be: I'm not really bothered by this continuity error. I'll somehow manage to get over it.

Unless of course I'm mistaken in relation to its gravity, and should consider it analgous with the cover up of paedophilia by the Catholic Church.

I hope you don't feel like you've been 'shot' after all this.

Shell30

In fairness I think RTE have done a good job on portraying the life of gangland criminals. Even Hollywood blockbusters have continuity errors so I think its slightly pedantic picking holes there.

I agree I think Tom Vaughan lawlor does an amazing job at playing nidge, his accent is very good and I think he is one of the most believable characters in the show.

I do wonder though why they don’t just actually cast someone with a working class accent?? Surely there has to be some Dubliners out there who can act. I think there would be plenty of young fellas out there willing to be extras or even help to give direction on what’s believable and what’s not. The clothes for example, I think they get it totally wrong with Robert Sheehan.

Also nidges girlfriends accent is woeful, if she was from the country she could have just kept her normal accent. People from Dublin don’t have to marry other people from Dublin!!

Ash.J.Williams

Great show last night.

Happyman42

ThisRegard wrote: »

You seem focused on something that's not there. I never said leave it alone because it's Irish, read my post again, it's plainly obvious. I said some people post disparaging comments because it is an Irish production on RTE.

The distinction may be a little too subtle for someone who brings up the church in a debate about a tv show in which gangsters are the subject.

I'll ignore the pedantry employed to avoid the issues with this production.

One of the leads has a patent inability to act and is only there to give the production a slick gloss, which seems to be the primary production value. The writers have an ( now 3 series) inability to create consistent characthers and therefore the credibility and honesty of the series is flawed and compromised. (I did give it the benefit of the doubt for quite some time) Consistency and veracity has been sarcrificed for slickness and sexiness.
You are the expert in 'subtly', discuss please?

ThisRegard

Happyman42 wrote: »

discuss please?

Nope. It's lunch time.

MidlandsM

so, what we got last night was scene's of drug abuse, drug dealing, drink and drug driving, kneecapping, after hours drinking, sex, rape, murder .... have I missed anything?

goulders

meriwether wrote: »

In relation to your criticism of a minor continuity error, my counter would be: I'm not really bothered by this continuity error. I'll somehow manage to get over it.

Unless of course I'm mistaken in relation to its gravity, and should consider it analgous with the cover up of paedophilia by the Catholic Church.

I hope you don't feel like you've been 'shot' after all this.

ooooooooooooooooh ! it was only a tv program, sounds like a trinity debate going on here,
PS as for continuity of characters git would still be in the program if he hadn't let the drink go to his head

Shell30

goulders wrote: »

ooooooooooooooooh ! it was only a tv program, sounds like a trinity debate going on here,
PS as for continuity of characters git would still be in the program if he hadn't let the drink go to his head

ha- yeah literally..

Happyman42

goulders wrote: »

ooooooooooooooooh ! it was only a tv program, sounds like a trinity debate going on here,
PS as for continuity of characters git would still be in the program if he hadn't let the drink go to his head

You can cure brewers droop with copious more amounts of alcohol and coke. New one on me!

TheBlock

Happyman42 wrote: »

You can cure brewers droop with copious more amounts of alcohol and coke. New one on me!

Didn't he take a Viagra off Nidge when he was in the brazzers?

scopper

The acting is, perhaps, somewhat so-so at points. They are pushing up against a constant dilemma of Ireland which is that, because we are so used to watching foreign TV, we grate at seeing our own accents 'live.' And, more to the point, our actors are not often asked to play these accents.

Nidge clearly got the nod because alongside his accent his acting chops seem to cut it. Darren is a blatent meddling miscast...almost certainly brought in for name recognition and likely because he is easy on the eyes (men will often overlook bad acting in a women because she is eye candy, but if there is a man cast in this role for women...heaven's forbid).

We can see the writers displacing Darren anyway in favour of Nidge and Darren could work best if he only has a few lines and is mostly limited to action...better even if he never explains them. Tommy is perhaps overlooked here. He also comes across as the kind of lad who might very well end up in this world and has to watch his every step.

TheBlock

scopper wrote: »

Tommy is perhaps overlooked here. He also comes across as the kind of lad who might very well end up in this world and has to watch his every step.

Tommy (very well played) to me looks like he's only there as he's Darrens friend. Looks like he'd rather be anywhere else most of the time and would love to get out. Unfortunatley there's only one way out when you play with Pyschos.

Ash.J.Williams

I've met many people like Darren therefore I conclude he's doing a good job. As for continuity....so what, It's fun looking out for them.

ProudDUB

el diablo wrote: »

Here's an interview from last series with the guy who plays Nidge.
http://www.rte.ie/ten/2011/1127/lovehate_tomwaughanlawlor.html

When I click on that link, an RTE Player window opens open with another link to the TVL interview. Nothing happens when I click on that link. There is just a big black box where the content would normally play. I waited for ages for it to load and start playing, but no joy. Is it available anywhere else? I'd really love to see it. Ta.