2010/2011 Season Predictions

Peyton Manning

Last year's thread was great fun, and while there's still a bit to go, why not get this up and running. If anything major happens between now and the start of the regular season, you can always tweak your predictions! Here's my predictions:

AFC Champions: New York Jets
NFC Champions: Green Bay Packers
Superbowl Winner: New York Jets
"Surprise" Team: Oakland Raiders
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Team: New England Patriots

Off MVP: Aaron Rodgers
Def MVP: Darrelle Revis
Off Rookie MVP: Ryan Matthews/Ben Tate
Def Rookie MVP: Kyle Wilson/Gerald McCoy
"Surprise" Player: Jason Campbell
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Player: Jay Cutler (although his hype has gone downhill, so Chris Johnson is more suitable here)

Your Own Team
Regular season record: 10-6
Best rookie: Rob Gronkowski
Most looking forward to seeing: A healthy Wes Welker *fingers crossed*

deccy15

AFC champs: Baltimore Ravens
NFC champs: Dallas Cowboys
Superbowl champs: Dallas Cowboys
Surprise team: Detroit Lions
Overhyped team: New York Giants

Offensive MVP: Chris Johnson
Defensive MVP: Patrick Willis
Off Rookie: CJ Spiller
Def Rookie: Ndamakong Suh
''Surprise player'': Darren McFadden
Overhyped player: Jay Cutler

My Team:
Regular Season Record: 12-4
Best Rookie: Sean Lee
Most looking forward to see: Dez Bryant

Hazys

AFC Champions: Ravens (improved from last year and they were quiet good last year)
NFC Champions: Saints (Lost v few players in FA)
Superbowl Winner: Saints
"Surprise" Team: Texans (always the sexy pick here, but theyll make the playoffs this year)
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Team: Jets (Superbowl isnt won in the off season, a decent team last year, only slightly better this year, 9-7 record)

Off MVP: Peyton Manning (he'll have a decent season, but theyll give it to him anyway)
Def MVP: Darrelle Revis
Off Rookie MVP: Jahvid Best (Will get a lot of touches, if the Lions OL is decent this year he'll do well)
Def Rookie MVP: Rolando McClain (LBs always win)
"Surprise" Player: Derrick Burgess (wishful thinking from a Pats fan, he might not even make the roster!)
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Player: Jay Cutler (wont be much better than last season, despite all the "potential" he has)

Your Own Team - Pats
Regular season record: 11-5
Best rookie: Brandon Spikes
Most looking forward to seeing: A much improved defense, and hopefully some pass rushing

Benimar

AFC Champions: Colts (reigning division champs and as long as Manning is healthy I can't see them being knocked off their perch)
NFC Champions: Packers (Look to be coming together nicely)
Superbowl Winner: Colts
"Surprise" Team: Redskins
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Team: Jets (They were 9-7 last year and Sanchez could have the 2nd season drop-off)

Off MVP: Peyton Manning (If the Colts do well he will get it, although a less 'sexy' name will deserve it more)
Def MVP: Jared Allen
Off Rookie MVP: Dez Bryant (In a big market so will get a lot of publicity)
Def Rookie MVP: Ndamukong Suh
"Surprise" Player: Derek Anderson (I think he'll beat out Lienart and has great receivers)
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Player: Brett Favre (wont be anywhere near last years level but will be praised to the hilt)

Your Own Team - Dolphins
Regular season record: 10-6
Best rookie: A.J Edds
Most looking forward to seeing: Chad Henne making this his team.

mikemac

AFC Champions: Baltimore Ravens
NFC Champions: Green Bay Packers
Superbowl Winner: Green Bay Packers
"Surprise" Team: Detroit Lions
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Team: New York Jets, great on paper and sure they did well last year but they won't repeat it, not even close

Off MVP: Aaron Rodgers
Def MVP: Patrick Willis
Off Rookie MVP: Ryan Matthews
Def Rookie MVP: Ndamakong Suh
"Surprise" Player: Chad Henne, one year after being made starter will have a massive season.
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Player: Jay Cutler, predictable choice. Mike Martz brought in but it won't help here, not with the offensive line they have, Cutler will do badly, is over-hyped

Your Own Team Ravens
Regular season record: 11-5
Best rookie: Sergio Kindle, we don't have any one rookie becoming an instant starter, Kindle will do well in rotation,
Most looking forward to seeing: Ravens aren't known for explosive offense but Flacco can go for over 4,000 yards this year

Peyton Manning

Can't help but feel people are dismissing the Jets just for the sake of it. On offense they have Santonio Holmes coming in from week 5. Not only does this give Sanchez more options, but it will open up the running game too. Shonn Greene was excellent in the run in last year and will be one of the leading RBs in the league this time round. Faneca is the only absentee from the OL and they've addressed that in the draft. Edwards looked good when he came in last year, and if he works on his hands, himself, Holmes and Cotchery are a solid, solid receiving line. As for the defence, Revis is the best CB in the league bar none, and with Kyle Wilson (best CB in the draft) coming in, they should allow even fewer yards this time round, especially with Cromartie for depth. They have as many generous fixtures as they do tough ones. I also think they drafted brilliantly, the only issue being not taking an OLB despite Jason Taylor coming onboard. Would like to see another DE too. Actually no, I wouldn't. I hope they crash and burn, but I don't see it happening. As a Pats fan, I genuinely fear the Jets this season.

tallaghtoutlaws

Archimedes wrote: »

Can't help but feel people are dismissing the Jets just for the sake of it. On offense they have Santonio Holmes coming in from week 5. Not only does this give Sanchez more options, but it will open up the running game too. Shonn Greene was excellent in the run in last year and will be one of the leading RBs in the league this time round. Faneca is the only absentee from the OL and they've addressed that in the draft. Edwards looked good when he came in last year, and if he works on his hands, himself, Holmes and Cotchery are a solid, solid receiving line. As for the defence, Revis is the best CB in the league bar none, and with Kyle Wilson (best CB in the draft) coming in, they should allow even fewer yards this time round, especially with Cromartie for depth. They have as many generous fixtures as they do tough ones. I also think they drafted brilliantly, the only issue being not taking an OLB despite Jason Taylor coming onboard. Would like to see another DE too. Actually no, I wouldn't. I hope they crash and burn, but I don't see it happening.

Their Defense is solid but their Offense even with Holmes is average at best. Unproven RB in Greene and they offloaded Jones and Washington to replace them with LT and McKnight. One an injured crock and the other a rookie with a lot to prove. There is no doubt Greene has potential but keeping Washington would have given them 2 decent RBs.

The problem for the Jets as I said last year was not their WR corp or their O-line or their Running game but it was their passing game. In games where their run was shut down it forced Sanchez to throw more often and Sanchez just isn't a strong QB he sucked on many occasions last season even in the playoffs. He had 1 solid game in the playoffs and it was only because they took the pressure off him by throwing very little. He cannot handle pressure.

But even then their Offense is average at best and wont win them a bowl. If they get to the Superbowl it will be that defense and although as the saying goes Offense wins games Defenses win Championships this wont be the case for the Jets as their offense wont win enough games.

I have to agree with the others here when they say Jets are over hyped.

tallaghtoutlaws

AFC Champions: Ravens
NFC Champions: Vikings
Superbowl Winner: Vikings
"Surprise" Team: Oakland Raiders
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Team: Jets

Off MVP: Chris Johnson
Def MVP: Darrelle Revis
Off Rookie MVP: LeGarrett Blount
Def Rookie MVP: Suh
"Surprise" Player: Wes Welker for the sh1ts and giggles of it all
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Player: Mark Sanchez

Your Own Team
Regular season record: 11-5
Best rookie: Rob Gronkowski/Aaron Hernandez two best TE in the draft both excellent college players.
Most looking forward to seeing: Tom Brady to Wes Welker, Tom Brady to Torry Holt, Tom Brady to Randy Moss and some sort of running game again.

DonkeyPokerTour

I predict its too early to make predictions! Wait till the preseason games start and we know who made it through training camp and who lost 1/2 their starting o/d to injurys!

FlutterinBantam

DonkeyPokerTour wrote: »

I predict its too early to make predictions! Wait till the preseason games start and we know who made it through training camp and who lost 1/2 their starting o/d to injurys!

jaysus, don't base anything on pre-season.

except as you rightly point out injuries.

I expect the Packers to do very well, all the oldies signed up, some very good newcomers, experience of the past few seasons for the improvers.


geared up for at least the NFC championship game.

mikemac

Never to early to post up your predictions
Sure last year I predicted the Colts were my overhyped team :o:o

So FlutterinBantam & DonkeyPokerTour, post up your predictions
Takes two minutes and you can edit anytime until Week 1

DonkeyPokerTour

FlutterinBantam wrote: »

jaysus, don't base anything on pre-season.

except as you rightly point out injuries.

Injury's is what I ment, I know not to base anything on pre-season, sure before going 0-16 the Lions went 4-0 in preseason!!

FlutterinBantam

feelingstressed wrote: »

Never to early to post up your predictions
Sure last year I predicted the Colts were my overhyped team :o:o

So FlutterinBantam & DonkeyPokerTour, post up your predictions
Takes two minutes and you can edit anytime until Week 1

Right will do

f1dan

AFC Champions: Baltimore Ravens
NFC Champions: Dallas Cowboys
Superbowl Winner: Dallas Cowboys
"Surprise" Team: San Francisco 49ers
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Team: Chicago Bears

Off MVP: Adrian Peterson
Def MVP: Jared Allen
Off Rookie MVP: Dez Bryant
Def Rookie MVP: Rolando McClain
"Surprise" Player: Matt Moore
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Player: Jay Cutler

Your Own Team Patriots
Regular season record: 10-6
Best rookie: Aaron Hernandez
Most looking forward to seeing: How far Zoltan Mesko can punt the ball

Pherekydes

AFC Champions: New York Jets
NFC Champions: Green Bay Packers
Superbowl Winner: Green Bay Packers
"Surprise" Team: Cleveland Browns
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Team: Washington Redskins

Off MVP: Aaron Rodgers
Def MVP: Darrelle Revis
Off Rookie MVP: Ryan Matthews
Def Rookie MVP: Eric Berry
"Surprise" Player: James Jones
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Player: Donovan McNabb

Your Own Team: Packers
Regular season record: 16-0
Best rookie: Morgan Burnett
Most looking forward to seeing: Aaron Rodgers spraying the ball around, tearing up the record book.

Mr. Guappa

AFC Champions: Baltimore Ravens
NFC Champions: Green Bay Packers
Superbowl Winner: Green Bay Packers
"Surprise" Team: Kansas City Chiefs
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Team: New York Jets

Off MVP: Chris Johnson
Def MVP: Patrick Willis
Off Rookie MVP: Montario Hardesty
Def Rookie MVP: Eric Berry
"Surprise" Player: Alex Smith
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Player: Rashard Mendenhall

Your Own Team: New England Patriots
Regular season record: 12-4
Best rookie: Rob Gronkowski
Most looking forward to seeing: Tom Brady and the offence returning to 2007 form (and Laurence Maroney rushing for 1200+ yards )

Chucky the tree

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Their Defense is solid but their Offense even with Holmes is average at best. Unproven RB in Greene and they offloaded Washington to replce him with LT and McKnight. One an injured crock and the other a rookie with a lot to prove. There is no doubt Greene has potential but keeping Washington would have given them 2 decent RBs.

The problem for the Jets as I said last year was not their WR corp or their O-line or their Running game but it was their passing game. In games where their run was shut down it forced Sanchez to throw more often and Sanchez just isn't a strong QB he sucked on many occasions last season even in the playoffs. He had 1 solid game in the playoffs and it was only because they took the pressure off him by throwing very little. He cannot handle pressure.

But even then their Offense is average at best and wont win them a bowl. If they get to the Superbowl it will be that defense and although as the saying goes Offense wins games Defenses win Championships this wont be the case for the Jets as their offense wont win enough games.

I have to agree with the others here when they say Jets are over hyped.

lol what? He had two very good games in the play-offs. 257 yards and 2 TD's against the Colts in Indianapolis is hardly the stats of someone who can't handle pressure. Sanchez threw 15 of his 20 Ints last year he only 4 games, it's clear that he isn't horrible he just seems to make poor throws due to inexperience. I think he'll do very well next season, he's got all the tools to be one of the best QB in the league and handling pressure seems to be one of his best attributes.

tallaghtoutlaws

Chucky the tree wrote: »

lol what? He had two very good games in the play-offs. 257 yards and 2 TD's against the Colts in Indianapolis is hardly the stats of someone who can't handle pressure. Sanchez threw 15 of his 20 Ints last year he only 4 games, it's clear that he isn't horrible he just seems to make poor throws due to inexperience. I think he'll do very well next season, he's got all the tools to be one of the best QB in the league and handling pressure seems to be one of his best attributes.

Let me throw that LOL what back at you :rolleyes:

Take the 80 yard pass out he threw to Edwards which a blind monkey could have thrown Edwards was that open and you have 170 odd yards. Sanchez was 17 for 30 and the majority of those 17 Passes and when I say majority I mean roughly 15 or 16 of them were under 25 yards long. In fact even the pass to Edwards went 30 yards and Edwards did the rest. The maths don't lie. His average that night was 8.6 yards according to nfl.com. But taking that long pass out of there over 17 throws at 177 yards his avg was 11 yards give or take.

Now there could 1 of 2 reasons in my opinion why he threw so many short passes: 1. The gameplan was short passing to get around the Colts Pass rushing. get rid of the ball quick and let the WR do the rest. 2. Sanchez under pressure can't find the deep pass has to look short causing him to him to spend to much time with the ball forcing him to throw short.

Now Im going to give him credit and say it was the gameplan as the Colts Pass Defense was solid that night and the Jets once again played their strengths with Sanchez and used short yardage passing. He proved all season long when you ask him to find open receivers deep down field under pressure he struggles. Put it down to him being a rookie if you want. That is your opinion and this is mine.

Chucky the tree

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Let me throw that LOL what back at you :rolleyes:

Take the 80 yard pass out he threw to Edwards which a blind monkey could have thrown Edwards was that open and you have 170 odd yards. Sanchez was 17 for 30 and the majority of those 17 Passes and when I say majority I mean roughly 15 or 16 of them were under 25 yards long. In fact even the pass to Edwards went 30 yards and Edwards did the rest. The maths don't lie. His average that night was 8.6 yards according to nfl.com. But taking that long pass out of there over 17 throws at 177 yards his avg was 11 yards give or take.

Now there could 1 of 2 reasons in my opinion why he threw so many short passes: 1. The gameplan was short passing to get around the Colts Pass rushing. get rid of the ball quick and let the WR do the rest. 2. Sanchez under pressure can't find the deep pass has to look short causing him to him to spend to much time with the ball forcing him to throw short.

Now Im going to give him credit and say it was the gameplan as the Colts Pass Defense was solid that night and the Jets once again played their strengths with Sanchez and used short yardage passing. He proved all season long when you ask him to find open receivers deep down field under pressure he struggles. Put it down to him being a rookie if you want. That is your opinion and this is mine.

Why aren't you adding the 41 yard TD pass that a blind monkey could have caught against the Bengals but they unfortunately had Edawrds playing at WR instead?

Maybe the reason was that he doesn't have very good WR's who can get open easily against Colts secondary? If he can't handle the pressure then he'd struggle with short passes as well as long ones. I have no idea how you get the idea that because he struggled with deep balls immediatly means he's a player who can't handle pressure. Talk about 1+1= 5.

tallaghtoutlaws

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Why aren't you adding the 41 yard TD pass that a blind monkey could have caught against the Bengals but they unfortunately had Edawrds playing at WR instead?

You mentioned the Colts game so why would I add the TD against the Bengals? :rolleyes:

Edit: I re read this and I have no idea what you are getting at here. You never mentioned the Bengals game and the whole basis of your reply was the Colts game. As for Edwards I used him as an example as he was wide open and caught it. But its irrelevant who it was either way the WR was open he made it easy for Sanchez.

But if you want to talk about the 45 yard TD against the Bengals, Keller caught it and he was open and yes it was a nice pass but it wasn't deep. Thrown 30 yards to an open TE. And he had plenty of time to look down field hardly under pressure.

Im not exactly saying Sanchez is pure muck to be fair. I just dont think he is the Quality QB everyone is making him out to be. He is over hyped. And in my opinion he will always just be an average NFL QB at best.

Maybe the reason was that he doesn't have very good WR's who can get open easily against Colts secondary? If he can't handle the pressure then he'd struggle with short passes as well as long ones. I have no idea how you get the idea that because he struggled with deep balls immediatly means he's a player who can't handle pressure. Talk about 1+1= 5.

The Colts gave up an average of 255 yards per game in the air in the playoffs. 766 yards total. They were also the 14th best defense against the Pass in the regular season and 9th best in the playoffs. Their secondary wasn't the strongest all last year. As for short passes it is a lot easier to find within 20 yards when checking down than it is to find someone long. Pressure will always be a huge factor in the difference from finding open WR down field and the further they go the harder it gets. But hey Im putting 1+1 to get 5 right?

Chucky the tree

You brought up the play-offs, saying he only had 1 good game and sucked in the playoffs as well as throught the season, he had 1 poor game out of 3 in the playoffs, that's why I mentioned the play-offs. I also mentioned it because you said he can't handle pressure, two solid games out of 3 in the play-offs would suggest that is complete BS.

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

In games where their run was shut down it forced Sanchez to throw more often and Sanchez just isn't a strong QB he sucked on many occasions last season even in the playoffs. He had 1 solid game in the playoffs and it was only because they took the pressure off him by throwing very little. He cannot handle pressure.

Chucky the tree wrote: »

lol what? He had two very good games in the play-offs.

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

You mentioned the Colts game so why would I add the TD against the Bengals? :rolleyes:

Edit: I re read this and I have no idea what you are getting at here. You never mentioned the Bengals game and the whole basis of your reply was the Colts game. As for Edwards I used him as an example as he was wide open and caught it. But its irrelevant who it was either way the WR was open he made it easy for Sanchez.

But if you want to talk about the 45 yard TD against the Bengals, Keller caught it and he was open and yes it was a nice pass but it wasn't deep. Thrown 30 yards to an open TE. And he had plenty of time to look down field hardly under pressure.

Im not exactly saying Sanchez is pure muck to be fair. I just dont think he is the Quality QB everyone is making him out to be. He is over hyped. And in my opinion he will always just be an average NFL QB at best.



The Colts gave up an average of 255 yards per game in the air in the playoffs. 766 yards total. They were also the 14th best defense against the Pass in the regular season and 9th best in the playoffs. Their secondary wasn't the strongest all last year. As for short passes it is a lot easier to find within 20 yards when checking down than it is to find someone long. Pressure will always be a huge factor in the difference from finding open WR down field and the further they go the harder it gets. But hey Im putting 1+1 to get 5 right?

I mentioned he had two good games in the playoffs.

Chucky the tree wrote: »

lol what? He had two very good games in the play-offs.

So I was including the bengals game, if your going to come out with the riddiculous argument that because 1 of his passes was 8o yards and failry easy it shouldn't really count then I'm simply saying that this pass against the bengals should count. Btw this is the pass I am talking about.

Chucky the tree wrote: »

lol what? He had two very good games in the play-offs.

Very few people said he is "quality" but he had a solid rookie year and I still don't know why you think he can't handle the pressure, is it purely based on the fact he struggled with deep balls?

Colts had the 3rd best pass yards per attempt last year. Bengals had the 5th in regular season, both very good pass defences. If someone can't handle pressure they'll struggle to make any pass, whether it's short or long. Short passes can sometimes be harder to make as there is more defenders to beat and a much smaller window to fit the ball into. I've no problem with you thinking he'll only ever be average but I don't think it will be because he can't handle pressure.

tallaghtoutlaws

Chucky the tree wrote: »

You brought up the play-offs, saying he only had 1 good game and sucked in the playoffs as well as throught the season, he had 1 poor game out of 3 in the playoffs, that's why I mentioned the play-offs. I also mentioned it because you said he can't handle pressure, two solid games out of 3 in the play-offs would suggest that is complete BS.


Bengals had the 6th best pass defence in the regular season and 4th best in the play-offs. Play-off team stats are fairly pointless though. If someone can't handle pressure they'll struggle to make any pass, whether it's short or long. Short passes can sometimes be harder to make as there is more defenders to beat and a much smaller window to fit the ball into. I've no problem with you thinking he'll only ever be average but I don't think it will be because he can't handle pressure.

You specifically brought to my attention the Colts game hence why I responded about the Colts game.

But I can see this is going to go nowhere so we will agree to disagree.

eagle eye

Bit early for season predictions imo. Wait until Training Camp is nearly over and we will have an idea of how teams are shaping up at least.

On the Jets, Sanchez is a year older and I think he will improve. The Jets have the players to go all the way but there is one big problem and thats the locker room. They will be fine when everything is going well but if they lose two on the bounce the finger pointing will start and it won't be pretty. There are too many egos on that team.

They've taken a huge risk too, they will be back to square one next year regardless of what happens as they have loaded up on players who are due contract talks next year.

And right now as we speak their superstar corner Darelle Revis is not happy with the new contract he has been offered and its been rumoured for quite a while that he is prepared to sit out training camp if he doesn't get what he wants.

redeal

AFC Champions: Indianapolis Colts
NFC Champions: Atlanta Falcons
Superbowl Winner: Colts
"Surprise" Team: Atlanta Falcons
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Team: Chargers

BrenosBolts91

AFC Champions: San Diego Chargers
NFC Champions: Dallas Cowboys
Superbowl Winner: San Diego Chargers
"Surprise" Team: Detriot Lions
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Team: Baltimore Ravens

Off MVP: Peyton Manning
Def MVP: Jared Allen
Off Rookie MVP: Ryan Matthews
Def Rookie MVP: Rolando McClain
"Surprise" Player: Jerome Harrison
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Player: Tom Brady

Your Own Team: Chargers
Regular season record: 13-3
Best rookie: Ryan Mathews
Most looking forward to seeing: More fire and fight in the defense,led by an exciting crop of rookies in Donald Butler,Cam Thomas, and Darrell Stuckey

UALacrosse

Redskins going all the way with my man Donovan. Haha. One can hope right?

bobo the clown

AFC Champions: Colts
NFC Champions: Saints
Superbowl Winner: Colts
"Surprise" Team: Eagles
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Team: Dallas

Off MVP: Arron Rodgers
Def MVP: Darrelle Revis
Off Rookie MVP: Ryan Matthews
Def Rookie MVP: Sergion Kindle
"Surprise" Player: Ernie Sims
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Player: Donovan McNabb:D

Your Own Team - Eagles
Regular season record: 10-06
Best rookie: Nate Allen
Most looking forward to seeing: A much improved faster defense, and progression of rookies Graham,Allen and Te'o Nesheim

Hulk Hands

bobo the clown wrote: »

AFC Champions: Ravens (improved from last year and they were quiet good last year)
NFC Champions: Saints (Lost v few players in FA)
Superbowl Winner: Saints
"Surprise" Team: Eagles
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Team: Dallas

Is this not just a copy and paste of Hayzs post on page 1?

Hulk Hands

AFC Champions: San Diego Chargers
NFC Champions: Minnesota Vikings
Superbowl Winner: Minnesota Vikings
"Surprise" Team: Detroit Lions
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Team: Packers/Eagles

Off MVP: Philip Rivers
Def MVP: Jared Allen
Off Rookie MVP: Ryan Matthews
Def Rookie MVP: Ndamakong Suh
"Surprise" Player: Jason Campbell
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Player: Jay Cutler

Your Own Team
Vikings
Regular season record: 13-3
Best rookie: Chris Cook
Most looking forward to seeing: Percy Harvin and Peterson back in 08 form

DDC1990

AFC Champions: NY Jets
NFC Champions: NO Saints
Superbowl Winner: Jets
"Surprise" Team: Bucs (hopefully)/Raiders
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Team: Chargers

Off MVP: Drew Brees
Def MVP: Darelle Revis
Off Rookie MVP: Ryan Matthews
Def Rookie MVP: Gerald McCoy
"Surprise" Player: Tim Tebow (for the craic)
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Player: Adrian Peterson

Your Own Team: Bucs
Regular season record: 7-9
Best rookie: Gerald McCoy
Most looking forward to seeing: The mixture of youth and experience this year with the Bucs. Maybe spring a few surprises. I think with the defence looking more solid, a few wins might be on the cards. Plus looking at the stats for the division, the bottom team has topped the Division the next year on a number of occasions. Why not this year? :P

bobo the clown

Hulk Hands wrote: »

Is this not just a copy and paste of Hayzs post on page 1?

you seem to be following me around. Its sorted now though.... btw. Vikings have no chance scan... and i thought you were a shmart f**ker

The Munky

I love these posts...

Tallaght Outlaws - I usually agree with a lot of your posts on here but I have to say that you should give, your division rivals, the NYJ a little more credit. QB had a decent rookie year, the WO's this year are a little more explosive than last year, they now have a veteran RB in who will help their rookie RB's. They have one of the best O Lines in the AFC and probably will have the best defence stat wise over the next 3-5 years if they keep them together.

AFC Champions: Texans
NFC Champions: Cowboys
Superbowl Winner: Cowboys
"Surprise" Team: Texans
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Team: Chicago- Martz will help but they have a poor receiving corps and a poor O Line

Off MVP: Aaron Rodgers
Def MVP: Darelle Revis
Off Rookie MVP: Ryan Matthews
Def Rookie MVP: Eric Berry
"Surprise" Player: Michael Crabtree
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Player:Jay Cutlerl

Your Own Team: Pittsburgh Steelers
Regular season record: 10-6
Best rookie: Steelers tend to ease their rookies in but Pouncey is a beast.
Most looking forward to seeing: Troy Polamalu - The guy is just simply the best safety in the league... Run stopping - Picks - Tackling - Coolest hair.

tallaghtoutlaws

The Munky wrote: »

I love these posts...

Tallaght Outlaws - I usually agree with a lot of your posts on here but I have to say that you should give, your division rivals, the NYJ a little more credit. QB had a decent rookie year, the WO's this year are a little more explosive than last year, they now have a veteran RB in who will help their rookie RB's. They have one of the best O Lines in the AFC and probably will have the best defence stat wise over the next 3-5 years if they keep them together.

Wait are you asking me to give the Jets credit or Sanchez? As I have said many times Their defense is solid and was fantastic last season. But I do think they struggled on Offense. I also have said their running game was solid at times.

Now if you are arguing I am not giving the Jets as a team enough credit I have to disagree. I have many times. And lets not forget my argument with Chucky was about Sanchez and not the Jets and i am not the only one who said the Jets were overhyped now am I?

So if this is about Sanchez that is my opinion even if I am not giving him enough credit.

The Munky

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

So if this is about Sanchez that is my opinion even if I am not giving him enough credit.

No, true you arent the only one who says the Jets are overhyped but I do feel that Sanchez is a good (maybe not great) QB in the making and if anyone can develop him it'll be Rex Ryan.

So dont be so sensitive

I bet the Jets finish a head of the Pats though.....

Hammar

AFC Champions Ravens
NFC Champions Cowboys

Superbowl winners-Ravens

Awesome D led by Ray Lewis and now with Joe Flacco having some weapons at WR,i think Baltimore will be hard stopped.
Dallas Cowboys are just so talented all over the roster,i think they will go deeper in the playoffs than they have since Aikman/Smith/Irvin and co.

"Surprise" Team: Chicago Bears(Jay Cutler will be better this year)
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Team: New York Jets

Off MVP: Joe Flacco
Def MVP: Demarcus Ware
Off Rookie MVP: Ryan Matthews
Def Rookie MVP: Ndumah Suh(spelling???)
"Surprise" Player: Jay Cutler(hes going to have a great year)
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Player: Mark Sanchez

Your Own Team :Indianapolis Colts
Regular season record: 12-4
Best rookie:
Most looking forward to seeing: What Peyton can do with Collie,Gonzalez,Garcon,Wayne,Clark all fit.

heyjude

AFC Champions: Indianapolis Colts
NFC Champions: Green Bay Packers
Superbowl Winner: Green Bay
"Surprise" Team: Oakland Raiders
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Team: Baltimore Ravens

Off MVP: Peyton Manning
Def MVP: DaMarcus Ware
Off Rookie MVP: Ryan Matthews
Def Rookie MVP: Rolando McClain
"Surprise" Player: Jason Campbell
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Player: Tom Brady

Your Own Team: Raiders
Regular season record: 10-6
Best rookie: Rolando McClain
Most looking forward to seeing: A big improvement in team defence especially against the run and an offence capable of consistently moving the ball, putting points of the board and especially, taking advantage of any opportunities that present themselves.

I'm a bit surprised that so many people think Suh or McCoy will finish as defensive rookie of the year, I know that they were widely regarded as being among the top 4 players in the draft, but the last defensive tackle to win rookie of the year was Tim Bowens of the Miami Dolphins way back in 1994, while a linebacker has won the award in 9 of the past ten years(with Julius Peppers being the exception during that period).

I just think that it takes a year or two for linemen to acclimatise to the greater guile, schemes, speed and strength of the NFL trenches, while linebackers may have a greater opportunity to play in space and use their athleticism from the beginning.

tallaghtoutlaws

heyjude wrote: »

I just think that it takes a year or two for linemen to acclimatise to the greater guile, schemes, speed and strength of the NFL trenches, while linebackers may have a greater opportunity to play in space and use their athleticism from the beginning.

Guys like Suh are a whole new breed of Defensive tackles. These are guys who are over 6'4 and weight 300+ pounds and are insane athletes for their size. They run 40 times of under 5 seconds flat. They truly have put DT on the map this year. And if they have solid seasons and live up to expectation there is no reason why they can't break the current trend and get the award.

Just look at guys like Suh compared to other NFL DT. The modern DT are getting more athletic than the ones of old and some of them are just as athletic as linebackers. Its an ever changing game.

keithc83

AFC Champions: San Diego Chargers
NFC Champions: New Orleans Saints
Superbowl Winner: San Diego Chargers
"Surprise" Team: San Francisco 49ers
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Team: Dallas Cowboys

Off MVP: Drew Brees
Def MVP: Patrick Willis
Off Rookie MVP: Ryan Matthews
Def Rookie MVP: Earl Thomas
"Surprise" Player: Alex Smith
Underachieving/Over-Hyped Player: Jay Cutler

My Team: Oakland Raiders
Regular season record: 7-9 (unfortunately!)
Best rookie: Rolando McClain
Most looking forward to seeing: Michael Bush

raven136

for all the people saying the Jets will be the underachieving team this season.Why?
Sanchez is a year older,they had a fantastic defense and got two more corners.Who wants to throw to the Jets.
All this talk of a poor locker room forgets surely the leaders already there and players like LT and Jason Taylor will add epxerience and leadership.
Not being the main guy i think will suit LT and im with Shawn Merriman and Peter King in thinking that behind our line he will run for 1000 yards and could be a great signing.
No jet fan is saying we will win the supernbowl but we must be doing something right if everyone is hating us:D

BrenosBolts91

I'm sorry but the Raiders will not break .500 this year.But I will say this,they are heading in the right direction.

heyjude

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Guys like Suh are a whole new breed of Defensive tackles. These are guys who are over 6'4 and weight 300+ pounds and are insane athletes for their size. They run 40 times of under 5 seconds flat. They truly have put DT on the map this year. And if they have solid seasons and live up to expectation there is no reason why they can't break the current trend and get the award.

Just look at guys like Suh compared to other NFL DT. The modern DT are getting more athletic than the ones of old and some of them are just as athletic as linebackers. Its an ever changing game.

Anyone remember Glenn Dorsey ? AS I recall when he was drafted in the 2008 draft he was the consensus top defensive player in the draft, could collapse the pocket, sack the quarterback and play the run - the complete defensive tackle - how many pro bowls ? None, how many sacks ? just 2 despite starting 31 games. Possibly Suh and McCoy are both better, but Dorsey was seen as a pretty sure thing and so far, he's been underwhelming. I think Dorsey would be a modern DT too..

BrenosBolts91 wrote: »

I'm sorry but the Raiders will not break .500 this year.But I will say this,they are heading in the right direction.

The AFC West isn't the toughest division and the Raiders face the Chiefs and Broncos twice, while they nearly beat the Chargers in Oakland last season, they also face the Rams, Seahawks and Jaguars, while they have home games against the Dolphins and Texans and face the Cardinals, which if Leinert doesn't work out, could be winnable. So if they sweep the Broncos and Chiefs and snatch one win over SD, plus wins over the Rams, Seahawks and Jags, thats .500 and who knows how they'll fare against Arizona,Miami and Houston.

tallaghtoutlaws

heyjude wrote: »

Anyone remember Glenn Dorsey ? AS I recall when he was drafted in the 2008 draft he was the consensus top defensive player in the draft, could collapse the pocket, sack the quarterback and play the run - the complete defensive tackle - how many pro bowls ? None, how many sacks ? just 2 despite starting 31 games. Possibly Suh and McCoy are both better, but Dorsey was seen as a pretty sure thing and so far, he's been underwhelming. I think Dorsey would be a modern DT too..

I wouldn't consider Dorsey the same as Suh or McCoy. Dorsey is heavier and slower and and not anywhere near the athlete the other 2 are especially Suh. Dorsey used pure strength in college Suh and McCoy used strength and speed. Never liked Dorsey myself felt he was over rated. As well as that Dorsey was riddled with Injuries in his final year at LSU and for me didn't help him.

Sure Suh and McCoy could fail but as the years go on the the leaner faster big DT are showing that the attitudes of DT are changing. As the years go on they are becoming more and more of athletes.

BrenosBolts91

The AFC West isn't the toughest division and the Raiders face the Chiefs and Broncos twice, while they nearly beat the Chargers in Oakland last season, they also face the Rams, Seahawks and Jaguars, while they have home games against the Dolphins and Texans and face the Cardinals, which if Leinert doesn't work out, could be winnable. So if they sweep the Broncos and Chiefs and snatch one win over SD, plus wins over the Rams, Seahawks and Jags, thats .500 and who knows how they'll fare against Arizona,Miami and Houston.[/QUOTE]
That is true it is not the toughest division.The Raiders were a jackel and hyde team last year;could beat the Steelers,run the Chargers close,but crash against less fancied teams such as the Browns.
Also they lost against the Chiefs last year,and the Chiefs are making strides,so to predict they should sweep the Chiefs would be an error.

The Raiders could surprise...COULD.However,the Raiders being the Raiders,anything could happen.I think it'll take more than just a new QB,who btw,isn't all that great himself,and a solid yet UNPROVEN rookie class,to take them over the hump.Give them a year or two.

Chucky the tree

heyjude wrote: »

Anyone remember Glenn Dorsey ? AS I recall when he was drafted in the 2008 draft he was the consensus top defensive player in the draft, could collapse the pocket, sack the quarterback and play the run - the complete defensive tackle - how many pro bowls ? None, how many sacks ? just 2 despite starting 31 games. Possibly Suh and McCoy are both better, but Dorsey was seen as a pretty sure thing and so far, he's been underwhelming. I think Dorsey would be a modern DT too.

Hasn't he been playing DE for the last 2 years?

tallaghtoutlaws

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Hasn't he been playing DE for the last 2 years?

Yup and the worst place they could put him. He hasn't the agility or speed to take on solid pro tackles.

heyjude

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

I wouldn't consider Dorsey the same as Suh or McCoy. Dorsey is heavier and slower and and not anywhere near the athlete the other 2 are especially Suh. Dorsey used pure strength in college Suh and McCoy used strength and speed. Never liked Dorsey myself felt he was over rated. As well as that Dorsey was riddled with Injuries in his final year at LSU and for me didn't help him.

Sure Suh and McCoy could fail but as the years go on the the leaner faster big DT are showing that the attitudes of DT are changing. As the years go on they are becoming more and more of athletes.

I think you need to remind yourself what they were saying about Dorsey in 2008 before he was drafted ( http://www.mymockdraft.com/1343/PlayerDetail.aspx ) His weight then was lighter than Suh is now and his 40 time was faster than Suh did at this year's combine. I accept that he had injuries in his final year in college but if I said, as this preview of Dorsey said "For a guy his size, ---- is extremely explosive, and gets off the line as quickly as any defensive tackle in the country. He's a disruptive force in the middle, who consistently collapses the pocket. He has the speed to shoot the gaps, and the strength to fight through double teams, and would be effective in either a one or two-gap system.

---- is freakishly athletic for a 300-pound man, and should be one of, if not the top selection in the .... NFL Draft." You might assume I was talking about Suh. Just saying that the superlatives about Suh aren't necessarily unique and I'm surprised he's seen as such a sure thing.

As for Dorsey being heavier, he's now listed at 297lbs compared to 307lbs for Suh

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Hasn't he been playing DE for the last 2 years?

Well he is listed as one now, but that makes his stats even worse. 2 sacks in 2 seasons by a DT ain't great, 2 sacks by a Defensive End, even one playing in a 3-4 is poor.

tallaghtoutlaws

heyjude wrote: »

I think you need to remind yourself what they were saying about Dorsey in 2008 before he was drafted ( http://www.mymockdraft.com/1343/PlayerDetail.aspx ) His weight then was lighter than Suh is now and his 40 time was faster than Suh did at this year's combine. I accept that he had injuries in his final year in college but if I said, as this preview of Dorsey said "For a guy his size, ---- is extremely explosive, and gets off the line as quickly as any defensive tackle in the country. He's a disruptive force in the middle, who consistently collapses the pocket. He has the speed to shoot the gaps, and the strength to fight through double teams, and would be effective in either a one or two-gap system.

---- is freakishly athletic for a 300-pound man, and should be one of, if not the top selection in the .... NFL Draft." You might assume I was talking about Suh. Just saying that the superlatives about Suh aren't necessarily unique and I'm surprised he's seen as such a sure thing.

As for Dorsey being heavier, he's now listed at 297lbs compared to 307lbs for Suh



Well he is listed as one now, but that makes his stats even worse. 2 sacks in 2 seasons by a DT ain't great, 2 sacks by a Defensive End, even one playing in a 3-4 is poor.

You completely missed my point. Dorsey is and always has been on the fat end of being a DT. Just look at his pictures he always had that huge fat nose tackle frame. Now look at Suh for example the man is a wall compared to Dorsey. Suh is an athlete

Suh:



Dorsey




There is no doubt Dorsey is explosive for his frame. But he doesnt even compare to other Pro tackles. Take Vince Wilfork, Kris Jenkins and other Nose tackles in the league these guys are big 300 pounders and are the best in the business due to their explosive strength.

Dorsey was hyped up so much he failed to live up to expectation and the same could happen to Suh there is no doubt about it but when you look at the type of Defensive linemen they are I would expect Suh to do a lot better after he goes through NFL workouts.

Oh and to add the Chiefs moving Dorsey to DE was a huge mistake. Dorsey hasn't got the right kind ability to be an end.

Oh and I forgot McCoy



The pictures show what I am talking about when I say new breed. Look at the difference in build for guys who weigh in and around the same.

tallaghtoutlaws

heyjude wrote: »

I think you need to remind yourself what they were saying about Dorsey in 2008 before he was drafted

Oh and to be honest with you I formed my opinion on Dorsey on what I have seen of him. A lot of whats been said about all of these guys is intentional hype really. I watch a lot of LSU games and have seen him with the chiefs and I just dont he is or was what they hyped him about. Now granted Suh or McCoy haven't played in the NFL yet but from what I have watched comparing them to Dorsey in college I would prefer either of them and hope they will live up to their ability in the Pros and I truly think they will.

Chucky the tree

heyjude wrote: »

Well he is listed as one now, but that makes his stats even worse. 2 sacks in 2 seasons by a DT ain't great, 2 sacks by a Defensive End, even one playing in a 3-4 is poor.

How does it make them worse? He played one season at DT, then was moved to DE. He's 6'1 and 297lbs. Here's a list of very good 3-4 DE

Richard Seymour - 6'6 310 avg's 4.3 sacks per year with the Pats.
Aaron Smith - 6-5 298lbs. avg 4.6 sacks py( didn't the two year where he played just 5 and 6 games)
Ty Warren - 6'5 300lbs 3.2 sacks py.
Igor Olshansky - 6'6 315lbs 2 sacks py.
Marcus Spears 6'4 309lbs 1.6 sacks py

All have at least a couple of inches and most are bigger or the same size. The top DE's who play on top teams do well with sacks the rest hit about 2 a year. Dorsey finished joint 3rd for tackles last season, finished 7th for defensive stops out of 39 players. He's done well as a DE considering I doubt he ever played much in college and when he isn't even built for the position.

kev_s88

AFC champs: New York Jets
NFC champs: Dallas Cowboys
Superbowl champs: New York Jets
Surprise team: Jacksonville Jaguars
Overhyped team: New England Patriots

Offensive MVP: Maurice Jones-Drew
Defensive MVP: DeMarcus Ware
Off Rookie: Dez Bryant
Def Rookie: Tyson Alualu
''Surprise player'': Antonio Cromartie
Overhyped player: Tom Brady!!!

My Team: Jaguars
Regular Season Record: 10-6
Best Rookie: Tyson Alualu
Most looking forward to see: How Dave Garrard's passing has improved and if he'll be given more time to look around playing behind Eugene Monroe and Eben Britton!

ReacherCreature

kev_s88 wrote: »

AFC champs: New York Jets
NFC champs: Dallas Cowboys
Superbowl champs: New York Jets
Surprise team: Jacksonville Jaguars
Overhyped team: New England Patriots

Offensive MVP: Maurice Jones-Drew
Defensive MVP: DeMarcus Ware
Off Rookie: Dez Bryant
Def Rookie: Tyson Alualu
''Surprise player'': Antonio Cromartie
Overhyped player: Tom Brady!!!

My Team: Jaguars
Regular Season Record: 10-6
Best Rookie: Tyson Alualu
Most looking forward to see: How Dave Garrard's passing has improved and if he'll be given more time to look around playing behind Eugene Monroe and Eben Britton!

Where's the love for the Pats?