New speed trap M50 northbound

duff123

Has anyone noticed the new line markings that appeared overnightbefore Tallaght. Think there was one here before roadworks started, looks like its coming back!

Eric Cartman

duff123 wrote: »

Has anyone noticed the new line markings that appeared overnightbefore Tallaght. Think there was one here before roadworks started, looks like its coming back!

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cheers for that, i have to drive home from there in an hour, never would have noticed

aphex™

Saw one Northbound between Sandyford and Ballyboden. Markings done, camera live soon it seems.

duff123 wrote: »

Has anyone noticed the new line markings that appeared overnightbefore Tallaght. Think there was one here before roadworks started, looks like its coming back!

MagicMarker

God dammit.

duff123

Thats the one I knew I was somewhere before Tallaght, was not too sure where.

jock101

duff123 wrote: »

Has anyone noticed the new line markings that appeared overnightbefore Tallaght. Think there was one here before roadworks started, looks like its coming back!

Its about time, but they should be the AVG speed trap camera's place on the overhead gantree's like Up Ulster Way, and across the channel!:rolleyes:

Gatster

jock101 wrote: »

Its about time, but they should be the AVG speed trap camera's place on the overhead gantree's like Up Ulster Way, and across the channel!:rolleyes:

No there absolutely should not be.

Guy:Incognito

Anyone who comes to the speed camera threads askign why theres no cameras on dodgy country roads should drive by and watch behaviour of drivers at cameras on roads like the M50.

I was coming back from Dundrum today, I moved out to overtake a car doing about 60kmph to be met with a line of cars in the middle lane doing a steady 88 (digital speedo) . So on this road with a 100 limit what does the line of cars do upon seeing the line son the road? they brake :rolleyes:

In short, people are idiots.

jock101

Stekelly wrote: »

Anyone who comes to the speed camera threads askign why theres no cameras on dodgy country roads should drive by and watch behaviour of drivers at cameras on roads like the M50.

I was coming back from Dundrum today, I moved out to overtake a car doing about 60kmph to be met with a line of cars in the middle lane doing a steady 88 (digital speedo) . So on this road with a 100 limit what does the line of cars do upon seeing the line son the road? they brake :rolleyes:

In short, people are idiots.

Hence use the AVG speed camera system, and Zapp Gotcha. A Fine and two penalty points in the post!;)

bloke

jock101 wrote: »

Hence use the AVG speed camera system, and Zapp Gotcha. A Fine and two penalty points in the post!;)

Yes because drivers going around the M50 staring intently at their speedos while trying to do maths in their head is much safer :rolleyes:

jock101

bloke wrote: »

Yes because drivers going around the M50 staring intently at their speedos while trying to do maths in their head is much safer :rolleyes:

Drive at 97km/h or 117km/h at the certain areas on the M50 and you have nothing to worry about!:rolleyes:

CosmicJay

jock101 wrote: »

Drive at 97km/h or 117km/h at the certain areas on the M50 and you have nothing to worry about!:rolleyes:

I guess we all should be doing 30km/h in the city centre?

Or wait do you want cars banned.

jock101

CosmicJay wrote: »

I guess we all should be doing 30km/h in the city centre?

Or wait do you want cars banned.

Yes I do, and I want a massive clampdown on speeding and Ignorant dangerous driving! Massive fines are the way to go, especially thesedays!:D:D;)

bloke

jock101 wrote: »

Drive at 97km/h or 117km/h at the certain areas on the M50 and you have nothing to worry about!:rolleyes:

without cruise control, how often do you think you need to look at the speedo to maintain 3 km/h accuracy? Much too often, IMO. So you can either do 97 while staring at the speedo or 85/90 with less speedo checking. The over-caution exhibited by drivers in relation to speeding enforcement (ref: drivers braking needlessly from 80km/h above) means the majority will take the (much) slower option.

Then there will be some out to "beat the system" booting it for a while and slowing well below the limit later.

All in all I just think it would make things simultaneously slower and more dangerous. win / win? Actually, the more I think about it - it sounds right up the RSA's alley...

jock101

bloke wrote: »

without cruise control, how often do you think you need to look at the speedo to maintain 3 km/h accuracy? Much too often, IMO. So you can either do 97 while staring at the speedo or 85/90 with less speedo checking. The over-caution exhibited by drivers in relation to speeding enforcement (ref: drivers braking needlessly from 80km/h above) means the majority will take the (much) slower option.

Then there will be some out to "beat the system" booting it for a while and slowing well below the limit later.

All in all I just think it would make things simultaneously slower and more dangerous. win / win? Actually, the more I think about it - it sounds right up the RSA's alley...

Well I have no difficulty driving at or just below the speed limit! Well if you want to drive like a nutter for a few minutes and then drive as slow as a snell for another 10 minutes, good luck to you!:rolleyes:

Del2005

jock101 wrote: »

Hence use the AVG speed camera system, and Zapp Gotcha. A Fine and two penalty points in the post!;)

If you check the RSA website there have been 3 fatalities on the M50 in the last 3 years. With the amount of traffic that uses it everyday that makes it one of the safest roads in the country. How many speed cameras are there on the dangerous roads where people are actually being killed? The mountain roads beside the M50 are narrow and winding with 50km and 60km limits. These roads are much more dangerous and need speed enforcement, but there are no barrels full of fish there. Instead hit people on the best road in the county, thereby moving people who want to speed onto the dangerous mountain roads or else onto the alternative local roads with several schools where again there are on cameras

Absurdum

cameras on the safest road and jock still trolling, some things never change

jock101

Absurdum wrote: »

cameras on the safest road and jock still trolling, some things never change

Eh no, its my opinion and a public forum, deal with it!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

jock101

Del2005 wrote: »

If you check the RSA website there have been 3 fatalities on the M50 in the last 3 years. With the amount of traffic that uses it everyday that makes it one of the safest roads in the country. How many speed cameras are there on the dangerous roads where people are actually being killed? The mountain roads beside the M50 are narrow and winding with 50km and 60km limits. These roads are much more dangerous and need speed enforcement, but there are no barrels full of fish there. Instead hit people on the best road in the county, thereby moving people who want to speed onto the dangerous mountain roads or else onto the alternative local roads with several schools where again there are on cameras

So by that logic, When the death rate on the M50 gets high, what ever that number is, then Speed limit enforcement should be done!:rolleyes:

Absurdum

jock101 wrote: »

Eh no, its my opinion and a public forum, deal with it!:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

we deal with it by pointing out your irrational support for speedgreed cameras but you just don't want to see reason or logic

jock101

Absurdum wrote: »

we deal with it by pointing out your irrational support for speedgreed cameras but you just don't want to see reason or logic

What is irrational with wanting to stop Dangerous driving on public roads!
I guess from your responses you have little regard for the Traffic laws!:rolleyes:

SGKM

jock101 wrote: »

I want a massive clampdown on speeding

That is the attitude that has road deaths so high in this country, to hell with driver skill and education, road conditions and drink driving! Are you just here to wind people up??? I mean can you not see that the speed limits on country roads are far too high and dual carraigeways around Dublin are too low? Do you ever question speed limits or do you just take the limit prescribed by some half wit on the council as gospel?

Out of interest do you support the RSA "He drives she dies" ad?

jock101

Its amazing that pointing out how much people casually brake the Traffic laws in this country, endangering other people minding there own business driving correctly. Seems to get up peoples noses! Its not your safety Im worried about, its mine, my friends and family! I want proper traffic enforcement on our nations roads!

Saab Ed

jock101 wrote: »

Its about time, but they should be the AVG speed trap camera's place on the overhead gantree's like Up Ulster Way, and across the channel!:rolleyes:

I prefer actuall guards patroling the streets who might notice 8 people shoved into one car ...... instead of being , on average , 12 kmh over the limit on a motorway with a national route speed limit.

Not much point in sending someone a fine 2 weeks later to tell them that they were exceeding the limit when 2 minutes later they killed any number of people. Good driver education and good policing , none of which we have in Ireland when it comes to the roads at the moment , despite the improvements in statistics in the last few years ( which are all down to proper roads and nothing to do with speed cameras , road safety campaigns or Gay Byrne ) :mad:

SGKM

jock101 wrote: »

Its amazing that pointing out how much people casually brake the Traffic laws in this country, endangering other people minding there own business driving correctly. Seems to get up peoples noses! Its not your safety Im worried about, its mine, my friends and family! I want proper traffic enforcement on our nations roads!

You don't seem to comprehend the MASSIVE problems with these "traffic laws" you speak of... specifically an 80km/h limit on narrow country boreens with grass up the middle where you would not be able to get anywhere near 80km/h is as almost as ludicrous as 60km/h on dual carraigeways like the N11 and 30km/h in the city centre.

If your so obsessed with these limits... if a speed limit is correct for road conditions in the dry then surely someone shouldn't travel that fast in the wet? If a speed limit is correct for a 997 Turbo with ceramic brakes and brand new Conti Sport Contacts then surely it's wrong for a 40 tonne artic with barely legal tyres?

I'm of the opinion that the majority of drivers can make the correct judgment at what speed to travel in the appropriate road conditions, eg every driver in the country crawled along when the ice was down in New Years day - we didn't need speed limits or cameras for that. Granted you will still get morons driving at 120km/h through a town and all the speed limits and camera's in the world won't deter them - but garda presence (not speed checks) and driver education will.

jock101

SGKM wrote: »

You don't seem to comprehend the MASSIVE problems with these "traffic laws" you speak of... specifically an 80km/h limit on narrow country boreens with grass up the middle where you would not be able to get anywhere near 80km/h is as almost as ludicrous as 60km/h on dual carraigeways like the N11 and 30km/h in the city centre.

If your so obsessed with these limits... if a speed limit is correct for road conditions in the dry then surely someone shouldn't travel that fast in the wet? If a speed limit is correct for a 997 Turbo with ceramic brakes and brand new Conti Sport Contacts then surely it's wrong for a 40 tonne artic with barely legal tyres?

I'm of the opinion that the majority of drivers can make the correct judgment at what speed to travel in the appropriate road conditions, eg every driver in the country crawled along when the ice was down in New Years day - we didn't need speed limits or cameras for that. Granted you will still get morons driving at 120km/h through a town and all the speed limits and camera's in the world won't deter them - but garda presence (not speed checks) and driver education will.

Well its those morons and there are a lot of them driving at 120km'h and more, driving through towns etc.. are the problem!

Dartz

jock101 wrote: »

Yes I do, and I want a massive clampdown on speeding and Ignorant dangerous driving! Massive fines are the way to go, especially thesedays!:D:D;)

Just because a speed is under the speed limit, does not make it safe.
Just because a speed is over the speed limit, does not make it unsafe.

Speed camera's don't catch morons. They catch people driving fast.

SGKM

jock101 wrote: »

Well its those morons and there are a lot of them driving at 120km'h and more, driving through towns etc.. are the problem!

But you don't seem to grasp that the vast majority of drivers aren't morons like that and sticking up speed cameras to catch some ordinary bloke doing 10km/h over the limit on the M50 will do nothing for road safety, it'll just generate revenue for the government through speeding fines and increased insurance premiums (to more than likely be wasted in some disgracefully inefficient form or another, but that's another thread)

jock101

With Gaybo and the EU more ANPR or Gatso camera's are coming, like it or not. So the simple message is Buckle Up and Slow Down. Arrive Alive!:)

Supercell

**** off jock101, people like you don't save lives, they cost them.

Saab Ed

jock101 wrote: »

With Gaybo and the EU more ANPR or Gatso camera's are coming, like it or not. So the simple message is Buckle Up and Slow Down. Arrive Alive!:)

No they are not. Even if any of the phases of the RSAs plan with reagrd to speed cameras are put in place , we'll still be way off the pace compared to our EU neighbours with reagrds to these things. These plans are in the offing for decades. They dont have the money to put the half of it in place.

OP , you must be very young or blind deaf and dumb to have never heard these same plans being rolled out again and again and again. Speed cameras dont buy votes so expect to see no more thana token gesture of them showing up in the short to medium term.


And lets hope they find the money for real safety improvement i.e upgrading Newlands X so that people dont have to dodge their way across 6 lanes of traffic just to cross a national route connecting 2 major motorways. No one speeds here because they cant yet how many accidents have happened here over the years with people hurt or killed

Im off , Im not sticking around to argue stupid stuff like this, night folks:cool:

SGKM

jock101 wrote: »

With Gaybo and the EU more ANPR or Gatso camera's are coming, like it or not. So the simple message is Buckle Up and Slow Down. Arrive Alive!:)

You seem to believe whatever nonsensical tripe that Gay Byrne spouts out of him. Do you work for the RSA?

Like most Irish people I would consider myself too lazy to get out and protest against political decisions but if this country fails to learn from the UK's (openly admitted!!) mistakes and does become plagued with these revenue generators, I would give serious thought to getting up off my arse and attempting to do something about it.

Dartz

SGKM wrote: »

You seem to believe whatever nonsensical tripe that Gay Byrne spouts out of him. Do you work for the RSA?

Like most Irish people I would consider myself too lazy to get out and protest against political decisions but if this country fails to learn from the UK's (openly admitted!!) mistakes and does become plagued with these revenue generators, I would give serious thought to getting up off my arse and attempting to do something about it.

I think you missed the intent of my post, which was a picture of a fishing boat trolling....

Trust me, talking to this one.... it'll be like talking to a brick wall that's sneakily laughing at you for it. It's not worth the time.

jock101

Well I for one will be very happy when we have in this :rolleyes: State, A cruel Draconian approach to Speeders and other Road offenders:mad:. Massive fines and Ultra long driving bans, even prison sentences:D. Bring it on NOW! Im sick of reading about Donegal like incidents and I dont want to be involved in such a tradegy:(. Just look at what was left of the two cars, Chasis's.:eek:
On your heads be it! Speed and Ignorance KILLS.:rolleyes::eek::mad:

voxpop

Just saw these marking yesterday - on a down hill section too :rolleyes:

stevenmu

jock101 wrote: »

Im sick of reading about Donegal like incidents and I dont want to be involved in such a tradegy:(. Just look at what was left of the two cars, Chasis's.:eek:
On your heads be it! Speed and Ignorance KILLS.:rolleyes::eek::mad:

The point many on the thread are making, and that I would agree with, is that a speed camera on the m50 does very little to prevent incidents like the one in Donegal. Given that there is limited resources available, would it not be better to focus those resources on things which may make a significant difference?

Max Power1

stevenmu wrote: »

The point many on the thread are making, and that I would agree with, is that a speed camera on the m50 does very little to prevent incidents like the one in Donegal. Given that there is limited resources available, would it not be better to focus those resources on things which may make a significant difference?

+1

Speed cameras on motorways/dual carriageways = revenue generating
Speed cameras on twisty country roads = safety conscious, but generate less revenue.

seamus

Can anyone accurately point these out on a map?

Are they before the Knocklyon exit or the Tallaght exit? Or both? :eek:

voxpop

Before Firhouse exit on the downhill slightly twisty bit - youll know your about to reach it because you will see all the traffic ahead braking wildly

Max Power1

voxpop wrote: »

Before Firhouse exit on the downhill slightly twisty bit - youll know your about to reach it because you will see all the traffic ahead braking wildly

And thats another reason why I hate speed cameras on motorways. They promote the above action. If we all drove correctly there should be no need to brake at all on a motorway, just accelarate and decelerate when appropriate.

metzengerstein

duff123 wrote: »

Has anyone noticed the new line markings that appeared overnightbefore Tallaght. Think there was one here before roadworks started, looks like its coming back!

isnt tallaght southbound ,

there is one northbound however ,coming to the end of the m50 , but the camera isnt there as of yet

I.S.T.

jock101 wrote: »

Well I for one will be very happy when we have in this :rolleyes: State, A cruel Draconian approach to Speeders and other Road offenders:mad:. Massive fines and Ultra long driving bans, even prison sentences:D. Bring it on NOW! Im sick of reading about Donegal like incidents and I dont want to be involved in such a tradegy:(. Just look at what was left of the two cars, Chasis's.:eek:
On your heads be it! Speed and Ignorance KILLS.:rolleyes::eek::mad:

"Ignorance KILLS", very appropiate in this case

Matt Simis

So... can we just maybe ban that guy instead of replying, he is clearly just trolling in every single post? Prolly an Alt of someone already posting here, just taking the piss.

sdanseo

Meanwile in noel dempsey's office:

-Chris-

Supercell wrote: »

**** off jock101, people like you don't save lives, they cost them.

Please take a deep breath before posting again. Attack the post, not the poster.

seamus wrote: »

Can anyone accurately point these out on a map?

Are they before the Knocklyon exit or the Tallaght exit? Or both? :eek:

I'm pretty sure it's right here.

Matt Simis wrote: »

So... can we just maybe ban that guy instead of replying, he is clearly just trolling in every single post? Prolly an Alt of someone already posting here, just taking the piss.

Jock101 doesn't show up as a re-reg, and is acting within the Charter. If people believe he's a troll, the best thing they can do is to refrain from engaging with him.

bad2dabone

or you could change the J in Jock to a C for us....

neilthefunkeone

stevenmu wrote: »

The point many on the thread are making, and that I would agree with, is that a speed camera on the m50 does very little to prevent incidents like the one in Donegal. Given that there is limited resources available, would it not be better to focus those resources on things which may make a significant difference?

What resources can make a difference though.. Im stuck to think of a sure way to get through to people.. Bar having a garda car every km on every stretch of road in the country..

In donegal didnt they bring teens out to A&E rooms and show them crashed cars and videos of crash scenes.. didnt seem to make a difference to those few.

But yeah M50 camera is gonna be a pain.. im a fairly careful driver and keep to the limits but its the idiots that slam on the brakes as soon as they see the white markings...

antodeco

So is it now 3 speed cameras? One at the M1 interchange, one after the Firhouse exit and one between Sandyford and Ballyboden?

I.S.T.

neilthefunkeone wrote: »

What resources can make a difference though.. Im stuck to think of a sure way to get through to people.. Bar having a garda car every km on every stretch of road in the country..

In donegal didnt they bring teens out to A&E rooms and show them crashed cars and videos of crash scenes.. didnt seem to make a difference to those few.

It was making a difference until the crash at the weekend. One of the TV interviews with a local counciller said they had halfed the deat rate in the last couple of years.

neilthefunkeone wrote: »

But yeah M50 camera is gonna be a pain.. im a fairly careful driver and keep to the limits but its the idiots that slam on the brakes as soon as they see the white markings...

I wonder how many accidents are caused by this behaviour. The RSA should release accident stats at camera locations before and after installation of the camera.

Del2005

jock101 wrote: »

So by that logic, When the death rate on the M50 gets high, what ever that number is, then Speed limit enforcement should be done!:rolleyes:

Yes. There are several schools close to the M50 in suburban areas where DLRCC has wisely introduce 30km/h limits. I've driven around these numerous times at school closing time, and having driven in the US where they strictly enforce 20m/h school limits, have tried to drive at 30km/h. I've been tail gated by everyone and all the cars ahead of me disappear into the distance. I've never seen a speed trap here.

jock101 wrote: »

Its amazing that pointing out how much people casually brake the Traffic laws in this country, endangering other people minding there own business driving correctly. Seems to get up peoples noses! Its not your safety Im worried about, its mine, my friends and family! I want proper traffic enforcement on our nations roads!

The chances of you, your family and friends or me being injured by someone speeding on the M50 are slim now with the concrete central median. We are all still vulnerable to dangerous drivers, not speeders as you don't need to be going fast to be dangerous, on all the other roads around where this speed trap is located. Yet I rarely see any Gardaí on these roads.

I'd rather see speed cameras outside your children's/nieces/nephews school where they can potentially save many lives then on a 3 lane motorway. I want to see Gardaí patrolling rural roads to catch bad drivers and doing speeders.

All that this camera is going to do is move people from a modern safe 3 lane road, where they will get fined for exceeding a limit, onto suburban roads where they won't get fined for speeding.

What's the point in building safe roads if you discourage people from driving on them?

-Chris-

Let's all be honest here, these fixed cameras won't catch regular/habitual speeders, they'll just catch non-regular users of the M50.

Anyone who doesn't speed won't be affected. Anyone who uses the M50 regularly and feels it's fine to exceed the speed limit when driving on it will continue as they were before, merely scrubbing their speed as they pass the two fixed cameras.

Tourists or people who don't use the M50 regularly will be the biggest group affected by these cameras.

These cameras will not be effective in changing the accident/death rate on the M50 in any way.