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Enda Kenny on Saturday Night With Miriam

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    #62
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Wide Road wrote: »
    God bless us if you are now comparing Enda to "Some of the best politicians in History". A couple of weeks ago poor Enda was under severe pressure from his own comrades with some disregarding their party oath in order to get rid of him. Get a grip.

    I have to say that I find it strange that you automatically assume that this reflects Enda Kenny's position, with no deference towards the possibility that some of them might have been doing it in order to further their own aspirations.

    I also have to add 2 things:

    1) I'm delighted that the "party oath" doesn't preclude FG members from voting confidence in a leader that they might not think is up to the task; compare and contrast with FF voting confidence in someone who was singled out as being severely at fault for the recession

    2) Kenny proved himself to be a leader by meeting the challenge head-on

    Am I convinced Kenny is good enough to lead us out of this mess ? No.

    But I'd have a lot more faith and trust in him than Cowen (which is still not saying an awful lot, because even 10% faith would be a lot more than 0% ).


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    #63
    Wide Road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    Liam, during the FG leadership battle. Richard said he wouldn't serve under Enda if he lost. That's when he went against the "party oath". I know you don't believe Enda can or would lead us out of the recession.


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    #64
    Wide Road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    I also forgot to mention your remarks on "power". John showed his appetite for power when he joined with DL. I wonder as Im sure you do too if a chat between the 2 Brutons had an influence in Richards timing for power. It would be some story alright 2 brothers one Taoiseach and the other as President. Na, they wouldn't speak about it cos they're the wrong party to think such things as power etc. How could one reach such a conclusion?


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    #65
    The_Minister
    Registered Users Posts: 10,255 ✭✭✭✭The_Minister


    Wide Road wrote: »
    Oscar, judging by your post I would wonder who had a few pints in them?

    Sorry, but on a personal level, Enda is fantastic.

    When giving speeches, not so much, but on the one-to-one he is undeniably impressive.


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    #66
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Wide Road wrote: »
    Liam, during the FG leadership battle. Richard said he wouldn't serve under Enda if he lost. That's when he went against the "party oath".

    My point was that Kenny said to his party to quit the bitching and vote on it. Democratically. Which contrasts with FF's unanimous vote of confidence in Cowen. The "party oath" (never knew one existed, tbh) and "party whip" concept is despicable to me, as you well know. People should vote with their conscience, making small, non-ethics-related concessions where appropriate.
    Wide Road wrote: »
    I know you don't believe Enda can or would lead us out of the recession.

    How do you know this ? I'm not even sure.

    I've said it before, I think the only politician who might actually have the leadership required to lead us out of the recession in a fair manner would be Shane Ross.

    But given a choice between Cowen and Kenny, it's a no-brainer. Cowen fuelled the fire and added significantly to our woes.

    Do we need better than Kenny ? Yes.

    Is it available ? No.


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    #67
    Wide Road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    Liam, you have a selective brain.


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    #68
    CerebralCortex
    Registered Users Posts: 3,809 ✭✭✭CerebralCortex


    Liam Byrne wrote: »
    But given a choice between Cowen and Kenny, it's a no-brainer. Cowen fuelled the fire and added significantly to our woes.

    Do we need better than Kenny ? Yes.

    Is it available ? ....

    ...maybe. How does Gilmore shape up?

    I agree on the choice between Cowen and Kenny, Kenny wins hands down!


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    #69
    Liam Byrne
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,163 ✭✭✭✭Liam Byrne


    Wide Road wrote: »
    Liam, you have a selective brain.

    Care to explain ?
    CerebralCortex wrote: »
    ...maybe. How does Gilmore shape up?

    I agree on the choice between Cowen and Kenny, Kenny wins hands down!

    This jury's out, tbh. I was well impressed that he took the initiative against the Bull(****ter), and he certainly highlights the problems caused by FF without invoking the type of pointless schoolboy-level FF v FG animosity that passes for "debate" between those two parties.....although O'Donoghue's cringeworthy village-idiot style cow-and-fly rant the other day was almost enough to make me cry, that my taxes are being used to pay for a platform for such childish rubbish; hardly Gilmore's fault, though.

    I believe that given the blatant failure of unrestrained capitalism and the resultant socialising of the losses, a normal-person, worker- and consumer- related focus would be a massive improvement, but I'm not completely convinced that Labour or Gilmore would tackle the public service issues in the right manner; loads of people in the PS do damn fine jobs and shouldn't be the victims of the FF-inspired "us vs them" campaign, but productivity and wages do need to be looked at, as do the self-interested overpaid sods at the top level of the unions.

    If I could be convinced that Labour would solve those issues correctly and fairly, maybe by simply doing a new "benchmarking" scheme where pay rates, staffing levels and productivity were reviewed realistically, then yes, I'd put Gilmore ahead of Kenny.


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    #70
    maynooth_rules
    Registered Users Posts: 1,502 ✭✭✭maynooth_rules


    Wide Road wrote: »
    God bless us if you are now comparing Enda to "Some of the best politicians in History". A couple of weeks ago poor Enda was under severe pressure from his own comrades with some disregarding their party oath in order to get rid of him. Get a grip.

    Because I said some of the best politicians in History had zero charisma does not mean in any way that I am claiming he is one of the best politicians in History. FFS, you are putting 2 and 2 together from what I said and getting 114. Perhaps you should get a grip :P


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    #71
    Wide Road
    Closed Accounts Posts: 412 ✭✭Wide Road


    Liam, my reason for saying you have a selective brain is due to your choice of posts that you reply to. You pick and choose your replies, fair enough, disect them and ignore other postings, some that are maybe more relevant to the thread that people are posting on. It seems fine at first but after a while one realises why you have no party to interact with. You Liam don't seem to have a political outlet aside from this website mainly due to your non political stance. Fair enough but I suggest your use your talents before they are lost forever. It's your choice, your shout but don't let the chance slip you by. You deserve better.


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    #72
    vampire of kilmainham
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,048 ✭✭✭vampire of kilmainham


    Can stand Enda Kenny he's just wants power like the rest of em bring on the trumpets bring on the trumpets bring on the trumpets:D:D:D


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