Big Jim Mansfield and the receiver

conno16

so it seems citywest is fooked
pity they didn't get the luas out there a few years earlier
pity the convention centre / haybarn didn't work out
pity his golf courses are over-priced and bland

the business model could never have worked
another big name course with the weeds breaking through

GorHugh

conno16 wrote: »

so it seems citywest is fooked
pity they didn't get the luas out there a few years earlier
pity the convention centre / haybarn didn't work out
pity his golf courses are over-priced and bland

the business model could never have worked
another big name course with the weeds breaking through

Serves the fooker right ... Thinks he's above the law (planning laws that is )...

Another case of these billy big balls developers that really have fook all once the banks stop lending to them ....

Wonder how long before Palmerstown house ( formerly pga national ) follows suit ??

Mister Sifter

Strange that people seem to take some kind of perverse pleasure out of such news. It's not Mansfield who's the loser here, it's everybody else.

conno16

the demise of big jim and his impending poverty will not have any knock on effect for me, as far as i can tell

The_Architect

Has Palmerstown not gone with it?

In my opinion, I've never seen another golf course mistreated in the way Citywest was. It was an average course to begin with but the renovations that took place to allow more and more building were quite blatantly afforded little thought or budget.

conno16

greed and dumbass planning..
zero sympathy for the bloke

GorHugh

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Strange that people seem to take some kind of perverse pleasure out of such news. It's not Mansfield who's the loser here, it's everybody else.

Look lad , while my taxes go to pay for the poxy loans given to these fookers i'll have a good laugh at there demise .....

Citywest golf courses gone to the dogs ...
Palmerstown well on the way to the dogs ....

aidannulty

it is madness he got planning for a 1700 bed hotel at citywest. How did he ever expect to even fill a quarter of them? Sad though for the people who may loose their jobs:-(

conno16

any chance of big jim squeezing himself back into the truck to clear a few loans?

GorHugh

conno16 wrote: »

any chance of big jim squeezing himself back into the truck to clear a few loans?

Now that i would like to see ....lol

danthefan

conno16 wrote: »

greed and dumbass planning..
zero sympathy for the bloke

What about all the employees, members, etc.

Mister Sifter

conno16 wrote: »

the demise of big jim and his impending poverty will not have any knock on effect for me, as far as i can tell

You're an irrelevance.

GorHugh wrote: »

Look lad , while my taxes go to pay for the poxy loans given to these fookers i'll have a good laugh at there demise

Yeh, hillarious for the hundreds of workers, members, unsecured creditors affected... you enjoy your chortle.

conno16

re the staff etc
this was inevitable anyways
if any of them are claiming to be "shocked" etc this evening well then i feel sorry for them on a number of different levels
dole queue beckons for most

f22

conno16 wrote: »

greed and dumbass planning..
zero sympathy for the bloke

Couldn't agree more!

GorHugh

Mister Sifter wrote: »

You're an irrelevance.



Yeh, hillarious for the hundreds of workers, members, unsecured creditors affected... you enjoy your chortle.

Don't forget us , because we'll be paying his loans back to Nama for the next 10 yrs ......


Of course i feel sorry for the employees ... But i really doubt Big Jim does ... His bad business plans with borrowed money has caused this .....

Mister Sifter

GorHugh wrote: »

Don't forget us , because we'll be paying his loans back to Nama for the next 10 yrs ......


Of course i feel sorry for the employees ... But i really doubt Big Jim does ... His bad business plans with borrowed money has caused this .....

Exactly... yet you believe 'Big Jim' to be the loser in all this? The joke is really on him isn't it...

f22

GorHugh wrote: »

Don't forget us , because we'll be paying his loans back to Nama for the next 10 yrs ......


Of course i feel sorry for the employees ... But i really doubt Big Jim does ... His bad business plans with borrowed money has caused this .....

He's also well known for treating his staff like ****!

GorHugh

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Exactly... yet you believe 'Big Jim' to be the loser in all this? The joke is really on him isn't it...

Hopefully lad , Hopefully ....

Sunnyisland

This wont effect jim mansfeild or his family well maybe his pride,

The workers and rest will be just droped in with the rest of us meanwhile nama will jump in and help jm pay back his loans. same o same o

pinkdoubleeagle

I know a few people who have worked there and some of the stories I have heard would amaze you. Three of them ended up taking Mansfield to court. My sympathies lie with the people who will lose their jobs but have none for Mansfield

blackwaterfish

ah balls! NO NO NO!!!!!

of all the affordable memberships out there there wasnt many that gave access to 2 pretty decent, if not totally spectacular tracks, for €1100.

both courses, like most in the affordable price bracket, have areas/issues that could be improved upon, but jaysus theyre far far from "gone to the dogs"... complete nonsense. utter bull.

oh christ, the search for something i can afford thats half decent has returned. oh lord what a 'mare. was very happy at citywest, and made some great mates there. And all the staff, to a man, were always very sound.

the lack empathy from some of the regulars on here for the members and the especially the staff is sickening.

f22

blackwaterfish wrote: »

the lack empathy from some of the regulars on here for the members and the especially the staff is sickening.

I don't think anyone with an ounce of decency doesn't feel for the staff that may lose their jobs, or anybody who may have shelled out for full membership over the years.

Any negativity seems to be focused on Mansfield himself, it's already been mentioned by a few people who have friends who have been treated badly in the past!

Curly7

i was a member there for 3 years until last year, €1600 for a par 65 and par 68 course is hugely expensive for 2 courses that you can get around on in under 3 hours. The place was run terribly, no comittee, no comps apart for the same old singles stableford on the par 65 course every week, no interaction between members. And the courses are gone to S***e in the last year.

Doesn't surprize me in the slightest that he's in trouble. I feel very sorry for the staff but the reason the golf is gone to fcuk is because of greed pure and simple. Cutting off part of the course to build another hotel shows he doesnt care about golf or members and is just after a quick buck

blackwaterfish wrote: »

ah balls! NO NO NO!!!!!

of all the affordable memberships out there there wasnt many that gave access to 2 pretty decent, if not totally spectacular tracks, for €1100.

both courses, like most in the affordable price bracket, have areas/issues that could be improved upon, but jaysus theyre far far from "gone to the dogs"... complete nonsense. utter bull.

oh christ, the search for something i can afford thats half decent has returned. oh lord what a 'mare. was very happy at citywest, and made some great mates there. And all the staff, to a man, were always very sound.

the lack empathy from some of the regulars on here for the members and the especially the staff is sickening.

minotour

The greed of a few individuals aside, its a shame, i like both courses, the lakes is handy for when you dont have alot of time and the champ is a grand four-ball with a decent clubhouse finish.

So who owns all those fabulous houses dotted around the lakes course, you know the ones with choppers in the back gardens and multiple balconies etc? Whats their role in all this?

brick tamland

Did the lakes no close down a while ago

Read on here there were turning the 2 courses into 1 "better" course, which was obviously boll0x

blackwaterfish

Curly7 wrote: »

i was a member there for 3 years until last year, €1600 for a par 65 and par 68 course is hugely expensive for 2 courses that you can get around on in under 3 hours. The place was run terribly, no comittee, no comps apart for the same old singles stableford on the par 65 course every week, no interaction between members. And the courses are gone to S***e in the last year.

Doesn't surprize me in the slightest that he's in trouble. I feel very sorry for the staff but the reason the golf is gone to fcuk is because of greed pure and simple. Cutting off part of the course to build another hotel shows he doesnt care about golf or members and is just after a quick buck

ive been a member of a commitee run golf course and i have to say the lack in any political scheming whatsoever at citywest was a breath of fresh air... just turn up and play... suited me down to the ground. and for 1100 i have been never refused access to the championship course. plus ive interacted with plenty but by the same token im not there to rub shoulders with all, i just want to drive in, grip it and rip it, have a cuppa and go home. thats not to say your wrong, but it suited me perfectly.

blackwaterfish

f22 wrote: »

I don't think anyone with an ounce of decency doesn't feel for the staff that may lose their jobs, or anybody who may have shelled out for full membership over the years.

Any negativity seems to be focused on Mansfield himself, it's already been mentioned by a few people who have friends who have been treated badly in the past!

point taken fella, maybe you should have qualified your previous "Couldnt agree more" statement with that.

f22

blackwaterfish wrote: »

point taken fella, maybe you should have qualified your previous "Couldnt agree more" statement with that.

Thought even the original post was clearly directed at Mansfield himself personally, but it's alot clearer where I stand on the subject now.

Russman

Yeah, its obviously a disaster for the staff, plus all the related businesses, suppliers etc etc who would have depended, to a greater or lesser extent, on the Citywest business. I think everyone will have sympathy for them alright. None for big Jim himself though !!

Jaysus when you stand back and take a look at the country you'd have to wonder what the f--k were they all thinking !!

The only slight upside for the members is that a number of clubs have now abolished joining fees altogether so it might be easy enough to join a new club........

conno16

big jim can caddy for me any day

Trampas

No reports of job losses yet.

is receivership the case were someone comes in to run the place?

Atlantic1

Trampas wrote: »

No reports of job losses yet.

is receivership the case were someone comes in to run the place?

Yes. It'll be run as a going concern. I think that The Heritage is in the same boat. What a pity!

doctorwu

Planning Permission? Discuss.;)

conno16

pour some concrete over the courses in citywest and you'd have a savage park and ride facility..
target it at people coming up to dublin for shopping, all-ireland finals etc
maybe 10 quid to park for the day, 15 for the wkend etc

Johnny_Fontane

GorHugh wrote: »

Palmerstown well on the way to the dogs ....

I played here recently and the course was in super condition (as it should be)....Greens were slick, the place was kept immaculate.

shawpower

aidannulty wrote: »

it is madness he got planning for a 1700 bed hotel at citywest. How did he ever expect to even fill a quarter of them? Sad though for the people who may loose their jobs:-(

I thought the whole point was that he didn't get planning permission, just built it without and then "sorted things out" afterwards...

the_one_&_only

Finnstown is in receivership now too :eek::eek::eek:

Johnnycoyle

Is there any danger of it closing down? Wouldnt have thought so. The hotel has 1200 plus bedrooms and is busy from what I hear and the Luas will be there shortly. New golf course is nearly finished and will always be busy. A buyer will be found for this by the receiver i.m.o. and jobs will survive in this case.

With regards to the man himself I couldnt agree more with the comments above. Cant say too much here but I reckon there is more to come from this story about the goings on in City West. Major dodgy.

The_Architect

Johnnycoyle wrote: »

New golf course is nearly finished and will always be busy. .

Tell me more about this... It's actually being built?... Who's doing it?...

Thanks

snowy666

My understanding from the guys in the Pro shop is that the design for the new layout has been ready for well over a year (in fact, they were a day away from starting work on it last year, but didn't start for some reason).

I was told that O'Connor ir responsible for all the changes - sure you know he designed the original - and they are happening quickly. Each time I play you can see the holes shaping up. I'm yet to see anything of the holes across the road on the old lakes course, but I'm happy to play there and enjoy it.

smurfey

GorHugh wrote: »

Don't forget us , because we'll be paying his loans back to Nama for the next 10 yrs ......


Of course i feel sorry for the employees ... But i really doubt Big Jim does ... His bad business plans with borrowed money has caused this .....

I hate reading quotes from uneducated idiots who don’t know what they’re talking about, Mansfields loans were from bosi which is an English bank and has nothing to do with Nama......yea poor fool :eek:

f22

smurfey wrote: »

I hate reading quotes from uneducated idiots who don’t know what they’re talking about, Mansfields loans were from bosi which is an English bank and has nothing to do with Nama......yea poor fool :eek:

Good man, that was well worth registering for wasn't it!

heavyballs

f22 wrote: »

Good man, that was well worth registering for wasn't it!

smurphy exits stage right,a rather short boards experience

Ash.J.Williams

f22 wrote: »

Good man, that was well worth registering for wasn't it!

I'm sure if i was reading incorrect information about people i know, I would flip the lid also. It's a normal reaction to interent lies, is it not?

heavyballs

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

I'm sure if i was reading incorrect information about people i know, I would flip the lid also. It's a normal reaction to interent lies, is it not?

i think you need to re-read the thread AJ

infamous

Mansfield business model just doesnt work, there is no room for a 1700 room hotel in Ireland, the luas will add a small benefit to the hotel but it will be still an hour minimum on the luas to the city centre I wouldn fancy that and would stay somewhere more conveniant. As for Mansfield I would have little sympathy for him total chancer, he took chances throughout his career convicted of vat fraud in the uk and broke planning regulations here. Drugs on his plane coming through westin didnt suprise anyone although it was never directly linked to him just his plane. Mansfield is a chancer that done well for himself he took his opportunitys regardless of rules and regulations he seems to have just kept taking as the banks gave and got in over his head, I have read a few articles and heard a few interviews he seems to have a limited grasp of the business world and that shows in his sprawling empire in the citywest with zero business model or strategy behind it.

blackwaterfish

snowy666 wrote: »

My understanding from the guys in the Pro shop is that the design for the new layout has been ready for well over a year (in fact, they were a day away from starting work on it last year, but didn't start for some reason).

I was told that O'Connor ir responsible for all the changes - sure you know he designed the original - and they are happening quickly. Each time I play you can see the holes shaping up. I'm yet to see anything of the holes across the road on the old lakes course, but I'm happy to play there and enjoy it.

was out there at the wknd, all work has ceased, with works to the lakes site not having commenced at all. Contractor ceased work on site very likely due to concerns over clients ability to make ongoing payments.

Fourcandle

I am looking to book a fourball for myself and some guys coming over from the UK and was thinking of Palmerstown House. Has anyone been there recently? Should I steer clear?

blackwaterfish

Update:
All works are going ahead. what previously was the lakes course will ( from circa 18th sept ) be 9 holes. the works on lengthening the current Championship course are again proceeding with tee boxes on specific "shorter" holes pulled back significantly.

citywest as a 27hole course will re-open on circa 18th sept.

conno16

any sign of big jim wandering around with a shovel?

1916

blackwaterfish wrote: »

Update:
All works are going ahead. what previously was the lakes course will ( from circa 18th sept ) be 9 holes. the works on lengthening the current Championship course are again proceeding with tee boxes on specific "shorter" holes pulled back significantly.

citywest as a 27hole course will re-open on circa 18th sept.

Never played it, will the new layouts be able to play like 3 9's?