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Big Jim Mansfield and the receiver

conno16

so it seems citywest is fooked
pity they didn't get the luas out there a few years earlier
pity the convention centre / haybarn didn't work out
pity his golf courses are over-priced and bland

the business model could never have worked
another big name course with the weeds breaking through

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GorHugh

conno16 wrote: »

so it seems citywest is fooked
pity they didn't get the luas out there a few years earlier
pity the convention centre / haybarn didn't work out
pity his golf courses are over-priced and bland

the business model could never have worked
another big name course with the weeds breaking through

Serves the fooker right ... Thinks he's above the law (planning laws that is )...

Another case of these billy big balls developers that really have fook all once the banks stop lending to them ....

Wonder how long before Palmerstown house ( formerly pga national ) follows suit ??

Mister Sifter

Strange that people seem to take some kind of perverse pleasure out of such news. It's not Mansfield who's the loser here, it's everybody else.

conno16

the demise of big jim and his impending poverty will not have any knock on effect for me, as far as i can tell

The_Architect

Has Palmerstown not gone with it?

In my opinion, I've never seen another golf course mistreated in the way Citywest was. It was an average course to begin with but the renovations that took place to allow more and more building were quite blatantly afforded little thought or budget.

conno16

greed and dumbass planning..
zero sympathy for the bloke

GorHugh

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Strange that people seem to take some kind of perverse pleasure out of such news. It's not Mansfield who's the loser here, it's everybody else.

Look lad , while my taxes go to pay for the poxy loans given to these fookers i'll have a good laugh at there demise .....

Citywest golf courses gone to the dogs ...
Palmerstown well on the way to the dogs ....

aidannulty

it is madness he got planning for a 1700 bed hotel at citywest. How did he ever expect to even fill a quarter of them? Sad though for the people who may loose their jobs:-(

conno16

any chance of big jim squeezing himself back into the truck to clear a few loans?

GorHugh

conno16 wrote: »

any chance of big jim squeezing himself back into the truck to clear a few loans?

Now that i would like to see ....lol

danthefan

conno16 wrote: »

greed and dumbass planning..
zero sympathy for the bloke

What about all the employees, members, etc.

Mister Sifter

conno16 wrote: »

the demise of big jim and his impending poverty will not have any knock on effect for me, as far as i can tell

You're an irrelevance.

GorHugh wrote: »

Look lad , while my taxes go to pay for the poxy loans given to these fookers i'll have a good laugh at there demise

Yeh, hillarious for the hundreds of workers, members, unsecured creditors affected... you enjoy your chortle.

conno16

re the staff etc
this was inevitable anyways
if any of them are claiming to be "shocked" etc this evening well then i feel sorry for them on a number of different levels
dole queue beckons for most

f22

conno16 wrote: »

greed and dumbass planning..
zero sympathy for the bloke

Couldn't agree more!

GorHugh

Mister Sifter wrote: »

You're an irrelevance.

Yeh, hillarious for the hundreds of workers, members, unsecured creditors affected... you enjoy your chortle.

Don't forget us , because we'll be paying his loans back to Nama for the next 10 yrs ......

Of course i feel sorry for the employees ... But i really doubt Big Jim does ... His bad business plans with borrowed money has caused this .....

Mister Sifter

GorHugh wrote: »

Don't forget us , because we'll be paying his loans back to Nama for the next 10 yrs ......

Of course i feel sorry for the employees ... But i really doubt Big Jim does ... His bad business plans with borrowed money has caused this .....

Exactly... yet you believe 'Big Jim' to be the loser in all this? The joke is really on him isn't it...

f22

GorHugh wrote: »

Don't forget us , because we'll be paying his loans back to Nama for the next 10 yrs ......

Of course i feel sorry for the employees ... But i really doubt Big Jim does ... His bad business plans with borrowed money has caused this .....

He's also well known for treating his staff like ****!

GorHugh

Mister Sifter wrote: »

Exactly... yet you believe 'Big Jim' to be the loser in all this? The joke is really on him isn't it...

Hopefully lad , Hopefully ....

Sunnyisland

This wont effect jim mansfeild or his family well maybe his pride,

The workers and rest will be just droped in with the rest of us meanwhile nama will jump in and help jm pay back his loans. same o same o

pinkdoubleeagle

I know a few people who have worked there and some of the stories I have heard would amaze you. Three of them ended up taking Mansfield to court. My sympathies lie with the people who will lose their jobs but have none for Mansfield

blackwaterfish

ah balls! NO NO NO!!!!!

of all the affordable memberships out there there wasnt many that gave access to 2 pretty decent, if not totally spectacular tracks, for €1100.

both courses, like most in the affordable price bracket, have areas/issues that could be improved upon, but jaysus theyre far far from "gone to the dogs"... complete nonsense. utter bull.

oh christ, the search for something i can afford thats half decent has returned. oh lord what a 'mare. was very happy at citywest, and made some great mates there. And all the staff, to a man, were always very sound.

the lack empathy from some of the regulars on here for the members and the especially the staff is sickening.

f22

blackwaterfish wrote: »

the lack empathy from some of the regulars on here for the members and the especially the staff is sickening.

I don't think anyone with an ounce of decency doesn't feel for the staff that may lose their jobs, or anybody who may have shelled out for full membership over the years.

Any negativity seems to be focused on Mansfield himself, it's already been mentioned by a few people who have friends who have been treated badly in the past!

Curly7

i was a member there for 3 years until last year, €1600 for a par 65 and par 68 course is hugely expensive for 2 courses that you can get around on in under 3 hours. The place was run terribly, no comittee, no comps apart for the same old singles stableford on the par 65 course every week, no interaction between members. And the courses are gone to S***e in the last year.

Doesn't surprize me in the slightest that he's in trouble. I feel very sorry for the staff but the reason the golf is gone to fcuk is because of greed pure and simple. Cutting off part of the course to build another hotel shows he doesnt care about golf or members and is just after a quick buck

blackwaterfish wrote: »

ah balls! NO NO NO!!!!!

of all the affordable memberships out there there wasnt many that gave access to 2 pretty decent, if not totally spectacular tracks, for €1100.

both courses, like most in the affordable price bracket, have areas/issues that could be improved upon, but jaysus theyre far far from "gone to the dogs"... complete nonsense. utter bull.

oh christ, the search for something i can afford thats half decent has returned. oh lord what a 'mare. was very happy at citywest, and made some great mates there. And all the staff, to a man, were always very sound.

the lack empathy from some of the regulars on here for the members and the especially the staff is sickening.

minotour

The greed of a few individuals aside, its a shame, i like both courses, the lakes is handy for when you dont have alot of time and the champ is a grand four-ball with a decent clubhouse finish.

So who owns all those fabulous houses dotted around the lakes course, you know the ones with choppers in the back gardens and multiple balconies etc? Whats their role in all this?

brick tamland

Did the lakes no close down a while ago

Read on here there were turning the 2 courses into 1 "better" course, which was obviously boll0x

blackwaterfish

Curly7 wrote: »

i was a member there for 3 years until last year, €1600 for a par 65 and par 68 course is hugely expensive for 2 courses that you can get around on in under 3 hours. The place was run terribly, no comittee, no comps apart for the same old singles stableford on the par 65 course every week, no interaction between members. And the courses are gone to S***e in the last year.

Doesn't surprize me in the slightest that he's in trouble. I feel very sorry for the staff but the reason the golf is gone to fcuk is because of greed pure and simple. Cutting off part of the course to build another hotel shows he doesnt care about golf or members and is just after a quick buck

ive been a member of a commitee run golf course and i have to say the lack in any political scheming whatsoever at citywest was a breath of fresh air... just turn up and play... suited me down to the ground. and for 1100 i have been never refused access to the championship course. plus ive interacted with plenty but by the same token im not there to rub shoulders with all, i just want to drive in, grip it and rip it, have a cuppa and go home. thats not to say your wrong, but it suited me perfectly.

blackwaterfish

f22 wrote: »

I don't think anyone with an ounce of decency doesn't feel for the staff that may lose their jobs, or anybody who may have shelled out for full membership over the years.

Any negativity seems to be focused on Mansfield himself, it's already been mentioned by a few people who have friends who have been treated badly in the past!

point taken fella, maybe you should have qualified your previous "Couldnt agree more" statement with that.

f22

blackwaterfish wrote: »

point taken fella, maybe you should have qualified your previous "Couldnt agree more" statement with that.

Thought even the original post was clearly directed at Mansfield himself personally, but it's alot clearer where I stand on the subject now.

Russman

Yeah, its obviously a disaster for the staff, plus all the related businesses, suppliers etc etc who would have depended, to a greater or lesser extent, on the Citywest business. I think everyone will have sympathy for them alright. None for big Jim himself though !!

Jaysus when you stand back and take a look at the country you'd have to wonder what the f--k were they all thinking !!

The only slight upside for the members is that a number of clubs have now abolished joining fees altogether so it might be easy enough to join a new club........

conno16

big jim can caddy for me any day

Trampas

No reports of job losses yet.

is receivership the case were someone comes in to run the place?