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"Whatever, she's deadly looking - you're just jealous"
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01-07-2010 10:24pm#1
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Hmmmm...ahem
I hope I won't be too slated for what I am about to say, but I am preparing myself in any case
It is an individual matter, taken on a case by case basis (as people's tastes do differ, etc.), however I think that there IS something to the theory of "you're just jealous because she's hot".
I have noticed that a lot of women (in real life and on the internet comment pages etc.) do tend to hold a soft spot for a plainer woman, rather than, say, a good-looking one, and especially rather than a stunning-looking one. I have noticed this from the teenage years onward (I think the very first time was while watching "Beverly Hills, 90210", the first incarnation, with some girls - god, I'm old:().
Have a look at the most classic example of them all, in recent years: Aniston and Jolie. Remember all the media hoolabaloo about them and Brad Pitt, and TEAM ANISTON and TEAM JOLIE T-shirts malarkey going on?
I remember talking with a friend about them. It was mostly about: "Gah, Aniston is much more suited to Brad, Angelina is an airhead, really she is NOT as pretty as Jennifer, wah wah wah...". And this really is the attitude that I have encountered many, many times over that trio (Yeah, I know:o too much time spent on celeb-gossipy pages than is good for me).
Now, my opinion is that this particular friend of mine, who I know very well BTW, is kind of prone to delusion - masking her own insecurities with being judgmental about anything and everything, but mostly about things that she is insecure about (as such, of course, she ended up as a born-again Christian :rolleyes:- a particularly interesting story in itself...), so a woman like that will feel drawn to "side" with a plain Jane who has (allegedly) been wronged, and see her as prettier, more intelligent and in any case more worthy of success, happiness etc, etc. than the blatantly gorgeous woman. This is a case of transference - she indentified with Aniston and therefore Aniston can do no wrong and never did anything wrong when it comes to her marriage, and she is "way more beautiful" than that bitch who stole her husband (translation: the stunning woman who arouses insecurities and is perceived as sexually competitive/threatening).
Meanwhile, back on planet Earth, let us asses the situation for real:
Jolie - very beautiful, big eyes, sensuous lips, cheekbones heaven, daring and often very physical in her roles
Aniston - pretty, nice blue eyes, nice blonde highlights, ok smile, ok comedic timing..., ???? ...
Jolie - pushes herself in most of her roles, either physically (Tomb Raider) or emotionally (most recent roles), (BTW, despite her Oscar and an Oscar nom, I still don't rate her as a first class actress - but she does have a fair whack at it)
Aniston - safe, as "Average girl" central as her looks are when it comes to role choices, mainly rom-coms, nothing out of the most ordinary Hollywood business-as-usual
Jolie - Ambassador for UNICEF, goes around the world bringing media attention to ****ty, unlivable places full of war orphans and misery, liaises to help alleviate poverty, is a speaker at Davos; has adopted three Third World children
Aniston - participates in telethons for world disasters; has two dogs
Yes, clearly... Aniston is where it's at
I did not want to get into discussing the Brad triangle here, although, of course, it could have quite a bit to do with the obviously skewed perceptions of these two women. However, we don't really know how and when all that business went down (at least I don't)... if someone else wants to discuss that on here, you are welcome to!
There are prejudices out there, perpetuated by both men and women alike (men objectify and resent, and women are jealous and spiteful), such as:
Sexy women are stupid,
daring women are slutty,
confident women are bitches.
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I can't stand Angelina (I know I don't know her but her public persona is nails on a blackboard to me) - I think she's dull as dishwater, seems kind of an ice queen and plain just gives me the shivers when I see her! I don't think she's "blatantly gorgeous" even if I did it wouldn't stop be from being irritated by her.
I would 100% disagree with you Truley, she's not reserved in the media (never was - remember the blood vials/ kissing her brother on stage?) and I think she does a lot of her "humanitarian work" for her own image. You can't whinge on about poverty on one day and go buy personal islands the next. It's sick. I can see a ton of reasons as to why Angelina is disliked, but the main one would probably be because she's seen as a supposed homewrecker. (I feel so gossipy - hahah)
I honestly think Jennifer Aniston, at her peak in Friends, is much more gorgeous & curvy than Jolie, but I think she's liked because she comes across as fun, vivacious, natural and laid back. Women always loved her - hence the "Rachel" hair cut obsession. I don't think it's suddenly "Let's side with her because she's not as pretty"
If it was a case of hating pretty celebs then women wouldn't be fans of anyone! I don't know any girl that has an issue with Scar-Jo and she's a stunner. She just seems totally cool, does her charity work but keeps herself to herself.
Another hit with women's magazines is Cameron Diaz - they are obsessed with her ass in bikini pictures. She went out with Justin Timberlake at the height of his fame and no one bitched about it because she's cool, funny, and doesn't take herself seriously. Ex model or not, she is clearly loved by women that identify with her and would want her as a friend.
There are a ton of reasons for liking/ disliking (superficially perhaps) other than looks.0 -
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cherub rock wrote: »I can't stand Angelina (I know I don't know her but her public persona is nails on a blackboard to me) - I think she's dull as dishwater, seems kind of an ice queen and plain just gives me the shivers when I see her! I don't think she's "blatantly gorgeous" even if I did it wouldn't stop be from being irritated by her.
I would 100% disagree with you Truley, she's not reserved in the media (never was - remember the blood vials/ kissing her brother on stage?) and I think she does a lot of her "humanitarian work" for her own image. You can't whinge on about poverty on one day and go buy personal islands the next. It's sick. I can see a ton of reasons as to why Angelina is disliked, but the main one would probably be because she's seen as a supposed homewrecker. (I feel so gossipy - hahah)
I honestly think Jennifer Aniston, at her peak in Friends, is much more gorgeous & curvy than Jolie, but I think she's liked because shecomesacross as fun, vivacious, natural and laid back. Women always loved her - hence the "Rachel" hair cut obsession. I don't think it's suddenly "Let's side with her because she's not as pretty"
If it was a case of hating pretty celebs then women wouldn't be fans of anyone! I don't know any girl that has an issue with Scar-Jo and she's a stunner. She just seems totally cool, does her charity work but keeps herself to herself.
Another hit with women's magazines is Cameron Diaz - they are obsessed with her ass in bikini pictures. She went out with Justin Timberlake at the height of his fame and no one bitched about it because she's cool, funny, and doesn't take herself seriously. Ex model or not, she is clearly loved by women that identify with her and would want her as a friend.
There are a ton of reasons for liking/ disliking (superficially perhaps) other than looks.
See, I just don't get how anyone with two functioning eyes in their head, and who has grown up with the conditioning of general human standards of female beauty, can seriously claim that Aniston is more gorgeous than Jolie (let alone much more gorgeous!) - I am as distrustful of that as I would be if someone claimed Colin Farrell isn't a patch on Daithi O Se (even when Daithi was younger, fitter, whatever). Sorry I don't mean for this to sound personal, that is just my opinion.
"Women always loved her" - yes, because she is perceived as girlie, non-threatening, bland girl-next-door, women identify with that big-time, that image soothes their insecurities and makes them feel good about themselves.
"I think she does a lot of her "humanitarian work" for her own image. You can't whinge on about poverty on one day and go buy personal islands the next. It's sick." - Whoa! Sick. That's pretty powerful alright. :rolleyes: What exactly is "sick" about Jolie's humanitarian efforts?
The fact that she has a lot of money, and uses it (as well as her putting in her time, and effort) for helping good causes around the world, as well as for her personal comfort and benefit? (AFAIK, there are no "personal islands", you may be confusing her with Johnny Depp.)
Or is the fact that if she only cared about her image, she would surely find a less tiring and less expensive way to enhance it throughout all the years than globetrotting in other people's interests and adopting orphaned children?
Or could it be that the sum total of our favourite "Friend"'s contribution to the world's poor boils down to participating in Hurricane Katrina telethon and trotting out a lovely frock on a benefit night red carpet - but at least she is being "fun, vivacious,natural and laid-back," eh? Fair play...:rolleyes:
Your post is the exact reason why this case is so interesting to me. I find it so clear-cut that it is almost ridiculous; Jolie is more beautiful, more intelligent, more courageous and MUCH more giving - there is no contest here. People who believe that there even could be one, are a complete and constant source of amazement to me.
I've no doubt that millions of women agree with you that AJ is "plain". I just think it's pretty laughable and says more about them than anything else.0 -
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See, I just don't get how anyone with two functioning eyes in their head, and who has grown up with the conditioning of general human standards of female beauty, can seriously claim that Aniston is more gorgeous than Jolie (let alone much more gorgeous!) - I am as distrustful of that as I would be if someone claimed Colin Farrell isn't a patch on Daithi O Se (even when Daithi was younger, fitter, whatever). Sorry I don't mean for this to sound personal, that is just my opinion.
"Women always loved her" - yes, because she is perceived as girlie, non-threatening, bland girl-next-door, women identify with that big-time, that image soothes their insecurities and makes them feel good about themselves.
"I think she does a lot of her "humanitarian work" for her own image. You can't whinge on about poverty on one day and go buy personal islands the next. It's sick." - Whoa! Sick. That's pretty powerful alright. :rolleyes: What exactly is "sick" about Jolie's humanitarian efforts?
The fact that she has a lot of money, and uses it (as well as her putting in her time, and effort) for helping good causes around the world, as well as for her personal comfort and benefit? (AFAIK, there are no "personal islands", you may be confusing her with Johnny Depp.)
Or is the fact that if she only cared about her image, she would surely find a less tiring and less expensive way to enhance it throughout all the years than globetrotting in other people's interests and adopting orphaned children?
Or could it be that the sum total of our favourite "Friend"'s contribution to the world's poor boils down to participating in Hurricane Katrina telethon and trotting out a lovely frock on a benefit night red carpet - but at least she is being "fun, vivacious,natural and laid-back," eh? Fair play...:rolleyes:
Your post is the exact reason why this case is so interesting to me. I find it so clear-cut that it is almost ridiculous; Jolie is more beautiful, more intelligent, more courageous and MUCH more giving - there is no contest here. People who believe that there even could be one, are a complete and constant source of amazement to me.
I've no doubt that millions of women agree with you that AJ is "plain". I just think it's pretty laughable and says more about them than anything else.
Why because we all think the same people are good looking?0 -
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No, not necessarily, of course.
However, certain standards are universal. Ample rack, full lips, big eyes, long luscious hair - all these denote youthfulness. Youthfulness means good (perceived) reproductive powers. Good reproductive powers translate to attractiveness. Human brains are hard-wired in this way. Therefore, a comparison based on these features will speak for itself.
I think that she styles herself about 10 years older than she is... She looks wizened, skinny, unhealthy looking and veiny. She looks like the Crypt keeper and scares me a little.
Anyways she's had a nose job, bottom lip reduced, top one made fuller and I think cheek implants. So fake and not the best without make up.
I know I am being very petty about this but your posts are pig headed. This thread is supposed to be about reasons APART from looks. I don't want "you're just jealous" thrown back in my face, I would not wish to look like Angie. Millions might, not me.
And yes, her and Brad bought the "Ethiopia" island in Dubai. She drags her poor kids around the world, they've never been settled in school. She said in an interview that they wake them up in the middle of the night for flights and pretend that packing is a game. She parades them around for the paps and has said "I think I feel so much more for Madd and Zee because they're survivors." That makes me sad.0 -
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cherub rock wrote: »I think that she styles herself about 10 years older than she is... She looks wizened, skinny, unhealthy looking and veiny. She looks like the Crypt keeper and scares me a little.
Anyways she's had a nose job, bottom lip reduced, top one made fuller and I think cheek implants. So fake and not the best without make up.
I know I am being very petty about this but your posts are pig headed. This thread is supposed to be about reasons APART from looks. I don't want "you're just jealous" thrown back in my face, I would not wish to look like Angie. Millions might, not me.
And yes, her and Brad bought the "Ethiopia" island in Dubai. She drags her poor kids around the world, they've never been settled in school. She said in an interview that they wake them up in the middle of the night for flights and pretend that packing is a game. That makes me sad.
"your posts are pig headed." - Why? Because I disagree with you and have presented a few arguments for my opinions?
"This thread is supposed to be about reasons APART from looks." - The title of this thread is "Whatever, she's deadly looking - you're just jealous" which is turning to be VERY relevant to the point that I am making.
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"your posts are pig headed." - Why? Because I disagree with you and have presented a few arguments for my opinions?
"This thread is supposed to be about reasons APART from looks." - The title of this thread is "Whatever, she's deadly looking - you're just jealous" which is turning to be VERY relevant to the point that I am making.
No, because you are so clearly saying that we are blind to think that Aniston is more attractive than Jolie. You can list your reasons to why she's so hot, I can list my reasons as to why I do not agree.
I had given a huge list of my personal dislike of Jolie w/o bringing looks into it but that was shot down. So I guess I better stoop.
It's about disagreement and general pissed off ness of the looks argument being brought in when it is an irrelvant factor in several cases.
But yea, moving on from Anistonjolie gate! 0 -
cherub rock wrote: »No, because you are so clearly saying that we are blind to think that Aniston is more attractive than Jolie. You can list your reasons to why she's so hot, I can list my reasons as to why I do not agree.
I had given a huge list of my personal dislike of Jolie w/o bringing looks into it but that was shot down. So I guess I better stoop.
It's about disagreement and general pissed off ness of the looks argument being brought in when it is an irrelvant factor in several cases.
But yea, moving on from Anistonjolie gate!
Excuse me, but I hope that you are not saying that all I did was talk solely about any person's looks on here, because it is quite the contrary, as my posts will evidence.
I think this is a terrific thread, thank you for starting it. I am happy to agree to disagree.
My point was that, in your case and a lot of other cases, I would definitely agree with the guy who told you "Whatever, she's deadly looking - you're just jealous"
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Agreed on ScarJo; from what can be gauged from interviews and similar, that is the impression I am getting too.
Saying that, I´d be the first to say I would love to look like her. I am jealous of her physical appearance, no doubt about it (with my personality and her looks, jaysus, what a combo!
) and it´d drive me mental when my ex used to comment on her..."Can´t you see how boring and contrived she is????", I´d argue, usually aftera few beers. I looked like a complete loon but he fell for the whole contrived edginess hook, line and sinker. Doubt he would if she wasn´t so pretty. 0 -
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Haha I see what you're saying, she is very pretty and I loooove those full lips, I have to admit, whether it's AJ or ScarJo... ok seenitall, compose yourself. :cool:
The thing is, I can be jealous of people with the best of them, but I can't summon even an ounce of jealousy over a celeb, as I don't identify with them to the point that a lot of people seem to. I think men are generally more level-headed when it comes to this than women; none of my exes ever cared a jot about me fiercely fancying Clive Owen (swoon), it has always been a complete non-issue, nothing to argue over, even in jest. They just don't seem to be interested (on the whole) (and, again, just my experience)0 -
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women with a .7 hip waist ratio have higher levels of female hormones and are more fertile than women who dont. The venus de milo, neolithic representations and kate moss are all different sizes, but the ratio remains constant.
Interesting, I just looked this up and calculated my ratio. I'm a .7 so from here on out I'll know that if anyone criticises me on boards it is in fact because they are jealous of my supreme gorgeousness. 0 -
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