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IRISH COWBOYS & SOLDIERS

  • 20-06-2010 11:34pm
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    Very few people know that Fossets Circus has a connection with Buffalo Bills (William Codys) Wild West Show that toured Europe in the Mid 1880s.

    But many Cowboys were Irish and in between gold rushes and railroad building they were soldiers.

    The most infamous are the St Patricios who fought for Mexico and their story is here as well as a list of the Irish Killed at Little Big Horn
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    TRAGIC STORY OF THE SAN PATRICIO BATTALION

    Ne’er-do-wells and deserters, these soldiers lived hard, fought hard— and died when they saw a flag go up
    By FAIRFAX DOWNEY


    In the 5th U.S. Infantry, stationed with General Zachary Taylor’s army on the Mexican border in 1846, Sergeant John Riley was rated a good soldier. Before his present duty he had served as a drillmaster for the Corps of Cadets at West Point which demanded high competence. Such was Riley’s ability that he was in line for a lieutenant’s commission, and rising from the ranks was rare at that period. He hail only one apparent fault, a grave one. He could enforce discipline but found it hard to take.
    Soon after a reprimand from his captain for disobedience of orders, the smoldering Riley asked for a pass to attend Mass. He never reported back. The American Army had lost an able infantry sergeant. Mexico and General Santa Anna would gain a top artillery commander.
    Riley joined the stream of deserters crossing over to the Mexicans, defections causing Zach Taylor considerable concern. They included others of the numerous foreign-born, many of them recent immigrants, who wore the blue—Irish, German, English, French, Polish. The Mexican Government had assiduously been urging all of doubtful loyalty or otherwise disaffected “to abandon their unholy cause and become peaceful Mexican citizens.” Bounties and land grants of 320 acres, rising with the deserter’s rank, were promised rewards. Impetus was added by harsh discipline in units of the U.S. Army where flogging was legal. Riley, like many other Irishmen, may well have been irked by the strong anti-Irish sentiment then prevalent in the United States.
    But he and others who deserted before and alter the commencement of hostilities also met with contemptuous treatment in Mexico at first. This was wartime, and “peaceful Mexican citizens” were not desired. It was when the former sergeant organized his fellow turncoats into the San Patricio Battalion, ready to fight for their adopted country, that they began to win respect.
    The San Patricios also were called the Colorados or “Red Company” because many of them were redheaded. Though they carried a banner blazoned on one side with a figure of St. Patrick and on the other with a harp and the arms of Mexico, only a proportion was Irish or Roman Catholic. They were composed of half a do/en nationalities, besides native Americans, and came from every branch of the service: infantry, cavalry, and artillery.
    The last was Riley’s choice for the San Patricios. Equipped by Santa Anna’s order with heavy fieldpieces, he and the veteran artillerymen among the deserters trained the rest into crack gun crews.
    The San Patricios manned Mexican guns in the stubborn defense of Monterrey whose storming cost the Americans heavy casualties. When the city yielded after a three-day battle, and the garrison marched out under the terms of capitulation, the deserters were recognized by former comrades and jeered and hissed. Silent and sullen, Riley and his men glared back. They would soon find an opportunity to take revenge for the scorn heaped upon them.
    At Buena Vista on February 23, 1847, the San Patricios again stood prepared for action. Their 18and 24-pounders, emplaced to rake the plateau, formed part of General Santa Anna’s imposing array: other ready batteries, deep columns of infantry, long ranks of splendid lancers. General Taylor in nondescript civilian clothes lounged in the saddle of Old Whitey and watched out the spectacle before he gave the order to attack.
    From the high ground the guns of the San Patricios opened, and battle flamed across the plateau. Lieutenant John Paul Jones O’Brien of Captain John M. Washington’s light battery—“D,” 4th Artillery—kept his “Bulldogs,” as he called his guns, barking. They hurled roundshot, then shifted to grape and canister to blast back charges by the Mexican lancers. Riley’s expert gunners retaliated by cutting up a squadron of the First Dragoons. The advantage of position and weight of metal lay with the Mexican guns, and the San Patricios, inflicting bloody losses on their former comrades, beat back the blue waves and concentrated on O’Brien. Most of his crews down around the smoking pieces, his horses killed, he stood and fought it out unsupported. His “Bulldogs” hung on until advancing enemy drove back survivors of the battery and captured its two guns not disabled.
    Braxton Bragg’s flying battery, whirling up into action at a headlong gallop, began the turning of the tide. Obeying Zach Taylor’s command, “Double-shot your guns and give ‘em hell!” (let the shade of Old Rough and Ready stand absolved of the traditional, mild “A little more grape, Captain Bragg"), the artilleryman directed a hot and rapid fire that routed the Mexicans. Victory swept across the field. In Santa Anna’s retreat, the San Patricio Battalion carried off O’Brien’s two bronze 6-pounders.
    After General Winfield Scott bombarded Vera Cruz into surrender and pushed on into the interior, Colonel Ethan Alien Hitchcock recruited a counterforce to the San Patricios. At Puebla he found a weaver named Manuel Dominguez who, robbed by a Mexican officer, had left his trade to become a bandit chief. Hitchcock organized Dominguez and his band as the Spy Company, officered by Americans. Raffishly uniformed in green cavalry jackets and pantaloons, trimmed with red, and straw sombreros with red streamers, they proved extremely useful as scouts and in carrying messages through the lines and were often assigned to secret missions out of uniform. Paid $25 a month and furnished arms, rations, and clothing, they were guaranteed safe passage with their families to the United States or a neutral country after the war. As Scott’s army fought its way toward the capital, the Spy Company rode with it.
    It was on the second day of the Battle of Padierna or Contreras, August 20, 1847, that the Americans again met O’Brien’s “Bulldogs.” After the costly repulse of an attempt to cross the lava bed on the 19th, a brilliant flanking movement around the enemy left brought a blue brigade, supported by Captain Simon Drum’s battery, 4th Artillery, down on the Mexican rear in an overwhelming attack. In a close-up duel with Mexican artillerymen, stubbornly standing to their guns, Drum recognized their two bronze pieces as O’Brien’s. Instantly he limbered up and signaled the gallop for a stirring, hell-for-leather charge. A volley of grapeshot swept the color-bearer out of his saddle, but the flag was caught as it fell by Lieutenant Calvin Benjamin. As the head of the column crashed into the position, Drum vaulted from his saddle to lay hands on the trophies.
    Although the ensuing rout of the Mexican Army reached the proportions of a panic, a hard core of veterans rallied and at Churubusco later the same day barred the American advance. There the San Patricio made its last stand.
    Churubusco, derived from an Aztec word meaning Place of the War God, justified its name that day. Riley’s gunners, mainstay of the defense of the bridgehead to the massive-walled Convent of San Pablo, served their pieces with verve and fury. Their cannon smashed back assault after assault and they only yielded the bridge and retired to the convent when infantry crossed the river to outflank them and artillery enfiladed their position. To the deadly fire of the deserters, who took particular satisfaction in spotting and picking off their former officers, was attributed a large part of the considerable American losses: 137 killed, 879 wounded and 40 missing.
    During the storming of the convent, which Santa Anna ordered held to the last to cover his retreat, the San Patricios fought with the utmost desperation. There was no thought of surrender among men who could feel the hangman’s noose around their necks. At last Riley and his remaining men, their ammunition exhausted, were overpowered. Seventy-five survived out of a battalion of 260; the rest, except for some who escaped, lay dead in the uniform of Mexico.
    The Mexican Government would angrily term their punishment an act of Gringo barbarism, “a cruel death or horrible torments, improper in a civilized age, and for a people who aspire to the title of illustrious and humane.” Yet they were tried with scrupulous fairness, though feeling against them ran hot, and their sentences were strictly in accordance with the rules of war and the enormity of their offense. Some were acquitted as having been legitimately captured and forced into the ranks but refusing to fight. Riley and others, who had deserted before the commencement of hostilities, were sentenced to lashing and branding. Fifty were condemned to be hanged as deserters in time of war.
    Ex-Sergeant John Riley, bound to a post, took his fifty lashes without a moan. But when he was branded with a “D” for deserter on the cheek bone, according to regulations “near the eye but without jeopardizing the sight,” he cried out under the agony of the redhot iron, for he suffered it twice. Since the letter was seared on upside down the first time, it was righted in a second branding.
    Riley would labor as a convict as long as the army remained in Mexico. Then, head shaven, buttons stripped from the uniform he had once worn with honor, he would be drummed out of camp to the derisive fifing of “The Rogue’s March.”
    Meanwhile he was forced to dig graves for the comrades who were to be executed. One group, hands pinioned and nooses around their necks, were placed in carts, driven out from under long gallows at San Angel. High drama featured the carrying out of the death sentence for the remainder. At Mixcoac they were stationed on a scaffold affording a view of the final assault on Mexico City. As American troops stormed the ramparts, the deserters watched the eagle and snake banner of Mexico lowered from its staff on Chapultepec Castle and the Stars and Stripes rise in its place. Just before the traps were sprung, with their last breath in a shout that was heard across the valley they cheered the flag they had betrayed.
    For an epilogue the story of Deserters vs. Spies offers an example of national ingratitude and an instance of supreme gall.
    Manuel Dominguez, leader of the Spy Company, was moved to New Orleans with his family after the war, as promised. But there, unpensioned, his services forgotten, he was left to eke out a miserable existence. The presumptuous Riley, however, dared bring suit against the United States in Cincinnati in 1849 to recompense him for damages received in his flogging and branding. The jury ruled against him.
    Combat officer in two wars, and author of numerous books, Fairfax Downey contributed “Yankee Gunners at Louisbourg” to the February, 1955, issue of AMERICAN HERITAGE.

    And the Irish who died with General Custer at Little Bighorn


    Here are the names of the Irish men who fought and died either during or shortly after the Battle of the Little Bighorn. Their details are displayed in the following format:

    NAME - AGE - RANK - COMPANY - COUNTY - OCCUP - PERSONAL DETAILS

    Atcheson, Thomas 41 Private F Antrim Unknown 5' 5¼" in height, hazel eyes, dark hair
    Barry, John 27 Private I Waterford Laborer 5'7¾" in height, grey eyes, dark hair, ruddy complexion
    Boyle, Owen 33 Private E Waterford Soldier 5'6" in height, grey eyes, dark hair, fair complexion
    Bruce, Patrick 31 Private F Cork Unknown 5'7" in height, blue eyes, brown hair, ruddy complexion
    Bustard, James 30 Sergeant I Donegal Soldier 5'6½" in height, hazel eyes, light hair, fair complexion
    Carney, James 33 Private F Westmeath Unknown 5'4¼" in height, grey eyes, black hair, dark complexion
    Cashan, William 31 Sergeant L Queen's County Soldier 5'9" in height, blue eyes, brown hair, fair complexion
    Connor, Edward 30 Private E Clare Unknown 5'8½" in height, hazel eyes, brown hair, ruddy complexion
    Considine, Martin* 28 Sergeant G Clare Unknown 5'7½" in height, blue eyes, brown hair, fair complexion
    Cooney, David** 28 Private I Cork Laborer 5'5¾" in height, grey eyes, dark hair, fair complexion
    (Promoted Sergeant on June 28th)
    Downing, Thomas 24 Private I Limerick Laborer 5'8¼" in height, blue eyes, sandy hair, florid complexion
    Drinan, James* 23 Private A Cork Laborer 5'7½" in height, grey eyes, light brown hair, dark complexion
    Driscoll, Edward 25 Private I Waterford Laborer 5'6" in height, hazel eyes, light hair, light complexion
    Eagan, Thomas 28 Corporal E Unknown Laborer 5'5½" in height, grey eyes, sandy hair, light complexion
    Farrell, Richard 25 Private E Dublin Laborer 5'8¾" in height, grey eyes, brown hair, fair complexion
    Finley, Jeremiah 35 Sergeant C Tipperary Laborer 5'7" in height, grey eyes, brown hair, light complexion
    (He made Custer's buckskin jacket.)
    Golden, Patrick* 26 Private D Sligo Slater 5'9¼" in height, blue eyes, brown hair, fair complexion
    Graham, Charles 39 Private L Tyrone Unknown 5'6¾" in height, blue eyes, brown hair, florid complexion
    Griffin, Patrick 28 Private C Kerry Unknown 5'9" in height, black eyes, dark hair, ruddy complexion
    Henderson, John 37 Private E Cork Unknown 5'7¾" in height, grey eyes, light hair, fair complexion
    Hughes, Robert H 36 Sergeant K Dublin Unknown 5'9" in height, blue eyes, brown hair, fair complexion
    (Carried Custer's battle standard)
    Kavanagh, Thomas G 31 Private L Dublin Farmer 5'11¼" in height, grey eyes, red hair, ruddy complexion
    Kelly, Patrick 35 Private I Mayo Unknown 5'5" in height, grey eyes, sandy hair, fair complexion
    Kenney, Michael 26 1st Sergeant F Galway Soldier 5'7¼" in height, grey eyes, brown hair, fair complexion
    Keogh, Myles W 36 Captain I Carlow Soldier The only Irishborn officer, 2nd-in-command to Custer
    himself in the ill-fated battalion
    Mahoney, Bartholomew 30 Private L Cork Teamster 5'10" in height, hazel eyes, dark hair, sallow complexion
    Martin, James* 28 Corporal G Kildare Laborer 5'5" in height, grey eyes, brown hair, fair complexion
    McElroy, Thomas 31 Trumpeter E Tipperary Musician 5'5½" in height, blue eyes, dark hair, ruddy complexion
    McIlhargey, Archibald31 Private I Antrim Unknown 5'5" in height, brown eyes, black hair, dark complexion
    Mitchell, John 34 Private I Galway Unknown 5'6¼" in height, blue eyes, brown hair, ruddy complexion
    O'Connell, David 32 Private L Cork Unknown 5'7½" in height, dark eyes, brown hair, ruddy complexion
    O'Connor, Patrick 25 Private E Longford Shoemaker 5'5½" in height, blue eyes, light hair, fair complexion
    Shanahan, John* 23 Private G Unknown Laborer 5'7" in height, blue eyes, brown hair, fair complexion
    Smith, James 34 Private E Tipperary Unknown 5'6" in height, hazel eyes, brown hair, ruddy complexion
    Sullivan, John* 25 Private A Dublin Laborer 5'6¼" in height, grey eyes, brown hair, medium complexion
    * Killed with Reno battalion
    ** Died later of wounds received in the battle


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    Keogh, Myles W 36 Captain I Carlow Soldier The only Irishborn officer, 2nd-in-command to Custer

    I think started our as a Swiss Guard to the Pope


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Keogh, Myles W 36 Captain I Carlow Soldier The only Irishborn officer, 2nd-in-command to Custer

    I think started our as a Swiss Guard to the Pope

    Wow -you're not serious. Mighty.

    I am sure we have some Irish Cowboy Outlaws and Gunfighters floating around too.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    CDfm wrote: »
    Wow -you're not serious. Mighty.

    I am sure we have some Irish Cowboy Outlaws and Gunfighters floating around too.

    In the eighties there was a 30 minute documentary about him on the RTE.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    In the eighties there was a 30 minute documentary about him on the RTE.

    Those guys were really tough. I read somewhere that equipment wise the Indians had superior rifles.

    It is a bit different to the glamour of the "Wild Geese". This is real blood & guts stuff.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 232 ✭✭oncevotedff


    Keogh, Myles W 36 Captain I Carlow Soldier The only Irishborn officer, 2nd-in-command to Custer

    I think started our as a Swiss Guard to the Pope

    Not quite. The Swiss Guard is called the Swiss Guard because it recruits in Switzerland.

    Keogh was in the Irish battalion of the papal brigade fighting to keep Garibaldi from nicking the Catholic Church's land in Italy.

    Link to a site about the Irish connection in the Lincoln County War

    http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-jamesdolan.html


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    Not quite. The Swiss Guard is called the Swiss Guard because it recruits in Switzerland.

    Keogh was in the Irish battalion of the papal brigade fighting to keep Garibaldi from nicking the Catholic Church's land in Italy.

    Link to a site about the Irish connection in the Lincoln County War

    http://www.legendsofamerica.com/we-jamesdolan.html

    Thank you for the correction, should have checked first


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,410 ✭✭✭old_aussie


    Riley joined the stream of deserters

    Is this an Irish military trait?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    old_aussie wrote: »
    Riley joined the stream of deserters

    Is this an Irish military trait?


    Only for our gentry


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    old_aussie wrote: »
    Riley joined the stream of deserters

    Is this an Irish military trait?

    Australia was full ;)

    Where are our "Bushrangers" other than the obvious.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    CDfm wrote: »
    Very few people know that Fossets Circus has a connection with Buffalo Bills (William Codys) Wild West Show that toured Europe in the Mid 1880s.

    But many Cowboys were Irish and in between gold rushes and railroad building they were soldiers.

    The most infamous are the St Patricios who fought for Mexico and their story is here as well as a list of the Irish Killed at Little Big Horn
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    And the Irish who died with General Custer at Little Bighorn

    small men weren't they, not a six footer among them


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    aDeener wrote: »
    small men weren't they, not a six footer among them

    Very logical Captain. Cavalry ride horses and a smaller rider is better for the horse dont you think.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    billy_kid2.jpg


    Billy the kid A/K/A Henry McCarty born in the Bowery (Irish) Section of New York had an Irish Mother.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,487 ✭✭✭aDeener


    CDfm wrote: »
    Very logical Captain. Cavalry ride horses and a smaller rider is better for the horse dont you think.

    didnt notice that it was cavalry :o


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    aDeener wrote: »
    didnt notice that it was cavalry :o

    That earns you a Soupy Norman award -you being from Buttevant and all that.

    Which being Cork -did you know that one of the most famous women pirates Anne Bonny* was from Kinsale.

    http://www.geographia.com/bahamas/annebonny.htm

    * Billy the Kids mothers maiden name was Bonny and he sometimes signed himself as William H Bonny.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,489 ✭✭✭iMax


    Subscribing because this stuff is fascinating... Someone should forward this onto Colin Farrell... there's a movie in that Myles Keogh guy !!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    aDeener wrote: »
    small men weren't they, not a six footer among them
    iMax wrote: »
    Subscribing because this stuff is fascinating... Someone should forward this onto Colin Farrell... there's a movie in that Myles Keogh guy !!

    :D:D:D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24,231 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    And then there's that "Irish" cowboy, Jesse James, who according to some folks, had his roots in Asdee, Co Kerry, where there is even a pub named after him.

    According to official records, Jesse James' ancestors roots were in Wales, and had absolutely nothing to do with Ireland.

    This was mentioned on this thread in Oct 2009. I never did dare visit Asdee to ask pertinent questions.:eek:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055699691&highlight=jesse+james


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Almost a century before Patrick Pearse was executed you had Alexander Pearse who was hanged in Austrailia for his culinary tastes "human stew"

    His head is somewhere in a Philadelphia museum as some medic bought it to study phrenology.

    Alexander_Pearce.jpg


    Here is alexanders version of bush tucker.

    A journey through hell's gate
    October 29 2002



    Alexander Pearce fled one of Tasmania's worst penal hellholes, only to find himself living another nightmare, writes Paul Collins.


    The man standing in the dock of the Supreme Court of Van Diemens Land did not look like someone who was, as the Hobart Town Gazette put it on June 25, 1824, "laden with the weight of human blood, and believed to have banqueted on human flesh". In fact, he looked perfectly normal. He was 1.6 metres tall, slightly under medium height for the early 19th century, and his frame was wiry and strong. He was 34, but looked older.
    There was nothing to distinguish the Irish-born Alexander Pearce from the procession of convicts who traipsed through the Hobart Town courts. Except for one thing - he was the first self-confessed cannibal to have appeared there.
    Twenty months earlier, Pearce and seven other convicts had escaped from the prison settlement of Sarah Island, in Macquarie Harbour on the west coast of Tasmania, the most remote penal hellhole in the British Empire. In the jargon of the time, this was a place of secondary punishment, where recalcitrant convicts were sent when they repeatedly fell foul of the law while serving their original sentences. Pearce was the sole survivor of their nine-week escape through some of the world's most difficult wilderness terrain.
    During their journey, five of his companions had been killed and eaten by their fellows. Two others died from exhaustion. Because cannibalism was unheard of among Europeans, Pearce's trial for murder created a sensation in Hobart Town, London, and even the United States.

    Although Pearce was hanged in 1824, I keep meeting people who have heard of him. Perhaps it is the song about his exploits, A Tale They Won't Believe, by the group Weddings, Parties, Anything that has popularised him. He seems to be entering into popular consciousness, somewhat like Ned Kelly.
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    Pearce originally had been sentenced at the County Armagh Lent assizes of 1819 to transportation for seven years. His crime was stealing six pairs of shoes, probably not his first offence. Only a professional thief would steal six pairs.
    Pearce quickly distinguished himself as a troublesome malcontent. Between his arrival in Tasmania in February, 1821, and early August, 1822, when he was sent to Macquarie Harbour, he had absconded twice, received four floggings, one of 50 lashes for embezzling two turkeys and three ducks, one of 25 and another of 50 for being drunk and disorderly, and another 50 and six months working in chains for stealing a wheelbarrow.
    In March, 1822, Pearce absconded again. After three months he was recaptured. By now the none-too-merciful magistrates of Hobart Town had had enough of him and he was sent to Macquarie Harbour for the remainder of his original sentence. He was there about six weeks when he bolted into the bush with seven others, beginning the extraordinary journey that has become famous in the history of penal Australia.
    The whole area of the west coast then was separated from the settled districts in the centre of Tasmania by difficult and unexplored terrain.
    Both guards and prisoners found Macquarie Harbour dreary and the weather appalling. The prisoners' main work was cutting and transporting the Huon pine logs and other fine timber, which grew abundantly in the area and were excellent for boat-building.
    Today the area around Macquarie Harbour is valued precisely because of its isolation and is protected as one of the most spectacular wildernesses on Earth. This is a land of cool, temperate rainforests, the most extensive remnant of the extraordinary vegetation of the great southern supercontinent Gondwana.
    These forests are of myrtle beech, celery-top and King Billy pine, and the most ancient of all conifers, Huon pine, which lives for up to 3000 years, and is found only in Tasmania.
    On September 20, 1822, the convicts Alexander Pearce, Alexander Dalton, Thomas Bodenham, William Kennerly, Matthew Travers, Edward Brown, Robert Greenhill and John Mather were cutting Huon pine logs on the eastern side of Macquarie Harbour. Fed up with the rigid discipline, they planned to escape.
    They intended to commandeer a whaleboat, sail north out of Macquarie Harbour, heading to freedom on a Pacific island, or even China. They easily overpowered their overseer, but they bungled the getaway. So they plunged impulsively into the rainforests and mountains surrounding the harbour. They headed east but they were utterly ill-equipped for what lay ahead on their 225-kilometre journey.
    Nowadays this region is regarded as some of the toughest country in the world, visited only by experienced bushwalkers with good equipment. Eight days into their hellish journey and by now starving, the men realised that their only hope for survival was cannibalism. Almost impulsively, they killed and ate Alexander Dalton because, Pearce says, he had volunteered to be a flogger and such men were hated.
    Next day, fearing that they might be the next victims, Brown and Kennerly decided to return to Sarah Island. Anything would be better than being killed and eaten by their fellows in the wilderness. They made it back to the coast of Macquarie Harbour, but died from exhaustion soon after.
    The other five men continued, led by Greenhill, who had been a sailor. It was his navigational skills, using the sun and the stars, that enabled the party to travel for 42 days almost due-east towards the settled areas. It was an extraordinary feat.
    As the journey continued, one by one, the weakest man was killed with an axe and butchered to provide food for the others. After five weeks of endless walking, only three men were left: Greenhill, Pearce and Travers. Most of the killing had been done by Greenhill, but Pearce and Travers had also participated. At first they cooked the flesh and innards, but eventually they just ate them raw. By this stage they had reached less rugged country, but with no knowledge of the bush they were unable to live off it.
    Driven by extreme hunger, Greenhill finally faced the prospect of having to kill his injured friend Travers, who had been bitten on the foot by a venomous tiger snake. With Travers' foot now gangrenous, Greenhill and Pearce half-dragged and carried their injured companion for five days until Travers begged them to kill him. The only weapon left was the axe. They killed him in his sleep, and ate his flesh.
    But the problem with human flesh is that, while rich in protein, it never really satisfies hunger because of the lack of carbohydrates, which provide energy. That is why the men had to kill so regularly. No matter how much they ate of their companions, it was not enough for the energy needed on their stamina-sapping journey.
    Pearce and Greenhill struggled on for eight days, playing cat and mouse with each other, desperate to stay awake, fearing that the other would attack him if he closed his eyes and nodded off. It was Pearce who kept awake long enough to grab the axe and kill the sleeping Greenhill with a blow to the head.
    The Irishman eventually made it to the settled districts, was befriended by a convict shepherd, and lived rough for several months, robbing farms and stealing sheep, before he was recaptured.
    Incredibly, when Pearce gave an account to the authorities of the nightmare journey and the cannibalism involved, the examining magistrate and local parson, the Reverend Robert Knopwood, did not believe him, thinking that Pearce concocted the story to cover for his mates who were believed to be still at large. Pearce was returned in chains to Sarah Island, where his fellow convicts treated him as a hero.
    Several months later he bolted again from a work party, this time heading north along the east coast of Macquarie Harbour with a young man named Thomas Cox, who had pestered Pearce to accompany him on an escape attempt.
    When Pearce surrendered 11 days later near the mouth of the King River, just south of present-day Strahan, he had human flesh in his pocket.
    Why he felt the need for cannibalism again is a mystery, since the guards found that he had other food with him. Pearce, who was clearly a psychopath, said that human flesh was by far preferable to ordinary food. Obviously he had acquired a taste for it, and for killing.
    Pearce later admitted that he had murdered Cox in a rage, because he suddenly realised that the young man could not swim, and was going to be a continuing hindrance to him.
    At Pearce's trial, witnesses said he had given himself up because he had no hope of ultimately escaping, and that he was horror-struck at his own inhuman conduct. This sounds like a sanitised account, but we know that he showed signs of repentance at the time of his execution.
    It was very cold - there was heavy snow on Mount Wellington - in the court room on that winter day, June 20, 1824, when the cannibal stood trial for murder. The chief justice, John Lewes Pedder, presided at the trial for the murder of Thomas Cox. Pedder was a scrupulous judge, but he often hectored the condemned from the bench, telling them that they should not complain about harshness when penalties were well known to everyone.
    The prosecutor was the attorney-general, Joseph Tice Gellibrand. Ironically, Gellibrand was to become lost in the bush near Melbourne in 1837, and was almost certainly killed by Aborigines.
    Pearce had no defence counsel and there is no record that he said anything on his own behalf. The trial was brief and the inevitable verdict was handed down. The chief justice pronounced the death sentence and ordered that the body be delivered to the surgeons for dissection.
    Thirty days later, after receiving the sacraments from the Catholic chaplain, Father Philip Conolly, Pearce was hanged in the yard of the Hobart Town jail at 9am on July 19, 1824.
    Handing over the body for dissection was an uncommon addendum to the death sentence, but in the logic of 19th-century criminal justice it made eminent sense: the corpse of the cannibal was to be cannibalised for science. Thus ended one of the great Gothic horror stories of Australia's rich convict history.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,165 ✭✭✭✭brianthebard


    aDeener wrote: »
    small men weren't they, not a six footer among them
    CDfm wrote: »
    Very logical Captain. Cavalry ride horses and a smaller rider is better for the horse dont you think.

    People were smaller in those days for various reasons, there are a couple of 5'9'' and 5'10'' guys on that list who would definitely have been considered tall at that time.

    There's a statue dedicated to Michael Corcoran* in Ballymote, where his family was from. Apparently my granddad's granddad (also from Ballymote or nearby) fought in a war in America and later came home, but he didn't know much about him and for some reason he was aloof from the rest of the family.



    *Questionable wiki article.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm




    Here is a neat book review on how the Irish Tamed the Wild West.

    But the Irish got everywhere the Gold Rush Klondyke etc

    I have cousins in Newfoundland with wexford accents




    <H1>Irish cowboys who tamed the West




    Saturday November 25 2006

    How the Irish Won the West By Myles Dungan New Island, €24.95 Brian Kelly Most of the million or so Irish who emigrated to America in the 1800s settled in the Eastern Seaboard conurbations of New York and Boston. Their story is well known. There, among the teeming masses, they overcame nativist prejudice and rose from the urban squalor to become prosperous citizens of How the Irish Won the West By Myles Dungan New Island, €24.95 Brian Kelly Most of the million or so Irish who emigrated to America in the 1800s settled in the Eastern Seaboard conurbations of New York and Boston. Their story is well known. There, among the teeming masses, they overcame nativist prejudice and rose from the urban squalor to become prosperous citizens of the republic.
    But many immigrants, as Myles Dungan reveals in his fascinating new book, looked to the West for a better life.
    Mostly, they toiled anonymously as farmers, miners and railroad labourers and thus did their part to settle the vast expanse of America. Others who went west - though they failed to get the Hollywood treatment afforded to Billy the Kid, Kit Carson, Wild Bill Hickok and Wyatt Earp - led more colourful lives.
    One such man was Thomas Fitzpatrick. The Cavan native was one of the first white men to venture into the great uncharted territory west of the Missouri River. As a fur trader he discovered the South Pass through the Rockies, and became famous as a Mountain Man who guided settlers and missionaries (though he hadn't much time for the latter) through hostile Indian territory into new settlements west of the Great Divide.
    His reputation for fair dealing spread to the powers in Washington and eventually he became an Indian agent and brokered a peace treaty between the Plains peoples and the US government. He also made a tidy fortune.
    All Irishmen did not curry such friendly relations with the natives. Another fur trader, James Kirker from Co Antrim, led a paramilitary force against the pesky Apaches in the mid-1840s and claimed the scalps of 500 warriors at a dividend of $200 a head (the bounty was $50 for a woman's and $25 for a child). If there is a fault with Myles Dungan's book it is that it is too broad in scope. For example, many of the adventurous women who made the journey west to seek their fortune deserve a book of their own.
    Nellie Cashman from Midelton, Co Cork, made a fortune providing 'bed, board and booze' to the gold and silver miners of Tombstone, Arizona, and later in the Yukon. She earned the nickname 'The Angel of Cassiar' after heroically organising a rescue mission to save hundreds of prospectors cut off from civilisation by a fierce winter storm. This doughty old dame spent her final years staking out claims near the Arctic Circle when she was in her 70s.
    Belinda Mulrooney, known affectionately as 'Queen of the Klondike', earned enough money selling hot-water bottles to freezing miners to build a luxurious hotel in Dawson City complete with steam heated rooms, electric lights and a dining room with linen table cloths, sterling silver cutlery and bone china. Working the bar of her hotel, she was able to buy a number of highly profitable mines by listening to the gossip of inebriated miners.
    Sligo gal Lola Montez (nee Eliza Rosanna Gilbert) became one of the most sought-after courtesans of her era. She was famous far and wide in the West for her 'Tarantula Dance' in which the discovery of a spider in her corset would necessitate the removing of much of her clothing. Alas, her routine became a bit passe in the dance halls of California and she died destitute in a rundown boarding house in New York in 1861.
    Irishmen Dolan, Murphy, Riley and Brady played starring roles in the notorious Lincoln County War. When it was all over in 1881, 63 men had been gunned down, including one William Bonney, aka Billy the Kid
    </H1>


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 588 ✭✭✭R.Dub.Fusilier


    "distant drums" by myles dungan is a v good book and covers irish in the us army at the battle of bighorn and us civil war and you can also try "courage and conflict" by Ian kenneally which covers some of the same stuff as distant drums and has a chapter on myles keogh.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    A lot of Irish ended up in Canada.

    One family the Donnelly's were involved in a feud which resulted in the massacre of 5 of them around 1880 by a local vigalte group.

    “The massacre of the Donnelly family, in the township of Biddulph, by an armed mob, is a crime which has no parallel in the history of Canada,” proclaimed the Listowel newspaper in February 1880.
    The notorious Donnellys emigrated from Ireland in the 1840s with the hope of finding success in what would later become Canada. James and Johannah became squatters who eventually settled on contested land near London, Ontario. Before long, conflict characterized their relationship with many of their neighbours and the community as a whole. The feud escalated in 1857 when James Sr. killed Patrick Farrell, a man involved in a dispute over the land the Donnelly clan had illegally called home.
    While James Sr. spent time at the Kingston Penitentiary for the crime, his seven sons grew into manhood. They eventually earned a sullied reputation of their own. Accused of many crimes including arson and assault, the Donnelly name became synonymous with trouble. The Donnellys (and their children James Jr., William, John, Patrick, Michael, Robert, Thomas and Jenny) were always ready and willing to go to battle whether it was over their stagecoach line or a young woman. Not surprisingly then, some residents of Lucan and Biddulph Township held the Donnellys responsible for almost every ill that befell the community. One day, James Donnelly complained to a local magistrate, “we are blamed for everything.” The next day he was dead.
    On February 4,1880 the Donnelly farm was burned to the ground. The bodies of James, his beloved Johannah, son Tom and niece Bridget were in the ashes, the victims of a cruel and vicious mob. Another son lay dead in a separate murder the same night. To this day, despite a great deal of evidence (including an eye witness), no one has been found guilty of the crime. Many had no doubt “who done it”, but in two trials the jury would not deliver a guilty verdict.

    There are a few versions of the story

    http://www.donnellys.com/History.html

    http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/family/donnelly/1.html

    http://www.canadianmysteries.ca/sites/donnellys/home/indexen.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    A lot of Irish went to South America and assimilated - now here is a titbit about a duel between one Juan McKenna from Tyrone & William Brown from Mayo on oposite sides of Argentinian Independence.





    The South American Irish

    By Brian McGinn
    .
    In 1796, another young Irish engineer arrived in Chile with letters of recommendation to Ambrose O'Higgins. He was Juan MacKenna from Clogher in County Tyrone, whose Spanish training had been arranged by Count Alejandro O'Reilly, an influential Irish officer in Spain who was related to MacKenna's mother Eleanor O'Reilly.
    During the ensuing struggle with Spain, MacKenna sided with the pro-independence forces of Bernardo O'Higgins. Rising to the rank of general, MacKenna was widely conceded to be the real military brains behind O'Higgins' success on the battlefield. His career was however cut short in 1814, when he was killed in Argentina during a duel with a political rival of O'Higgins. Curiously, the man acting as 'second' to MacKenna's killer was the Mayoman William Brown, whose involvement in this tragedy has never been fully explained.
    Before his death, the engineer from Tyrone left a chain of roads, bridges, schools, factories and mills throughout southern Chile, where he had served as Governor of Osorno. Another legacy is his grandson Benjamin Vicuna MacKenna, one of Chile's most distinguished historians; among the 100 books he authored is a biography of his grandfather.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Oh and George Lowe from Mallow who was a friend of Buffalo Bill " William Cody" and who became the "Amazing Dr Powell" Magician - a great story which I heard from the late Teddy Fossett in Leixlip years back.


    The Fossett Circus Story



    One evening in or around 1870, a young man named George Lowe decided to do what many young men had done before (and have done since). He ran away to join the circus! George was a member of a well-known family from Fair Street, Mallow - well respected and industrious. He was, however, at heart a Showman. He and his fiancée eloped and decided to leave Mallow and throw their lot in with this travelling group. Little is known about the particular troupe except that sometime in 1878/80 George and his wife left Ireland to seek their fortune in America.

    At the same time a hard-bitten frontiersman called William Cody was considering a change of career. Having fought Indians, mined for gold, driven cattle and chased down bandits and outlaws he changed his name to “Buffalo Bill” Cody and took a spectacular horse show on the road. Young George Lowe from Mallow joined this Wild West Show sometime in 1884/5. By this time he was known as The Amazing Doctor Powell presenting Magic, Juggling and Horse skills. He became a valued member of the troupe and was selected to join Buffalo Bill on his much-heralded first tour of Europe. In 1887 George and the company arrived in London where they went into rehearsal for their opening production to be attended by Queen Victoria as part of her Golden Jubilee. George/Dr. Powell took the opportunity to make a quick visit home to Mallow. He never went back.
    In March 1888 The Amazing Doctor Powell set out on a tour of his native Ireland with his own circus. He and his troupe presented the skills, feats, tricks and spectacle that he had learned during his years working with other shows. This show, visiting the traditional fairgreens and marketplaces throughout Ireland during that summer all those years ago, is the origin of Fossett’s - Ireland’s National Circus.
    In 1918 an accomplished bareback rider joined the show, which was then touring as Powell and Clarke’s. His name was Edward Fossett. He was the youngest son of Sir Robert Fossett 2nd and circus proprietor Mary Francis, a Wexford woman; both were renowned equestrian riders. In fact in 1890 Robert Fossett was judged best bareback rider in the world. His grandfather, also Robert Fossett, was the founder of the family circus in 1852. Edward upon meeting Mona Powell (daughter of Dr. Powell), who at this time was also a noted equestrienne, fell immediately in love. With their mutual love of horses and circus they were an instant match and were married in 1922. Edward never left Ireland again. They had six children, Robert (known as Bobby), Mary, Edward (known as Teddy), Amy, John (known as Johnny) and Mona. They all followed in the family tradition and became excellent bareback riders and circus performers. Bobby went on to become one of Ireland’s best loved clowns as Bobo. This was in keeping with another tradition; there has been a clown in seven generations of the Fossett family. Edward and Mona continued to run the circus with Dr. Powell until he retired. By 1927 it was called Edward Fossett and sons. In the 1930’s they toured successfully for a number of years as Heckenberg’s Berlin Tower Circus. By 1940 it was again Edward Fossett and Sons. Mona Fossett Powell died young on the 7th June 1946 aged only 41 and Edward passed away five years later on Sep 7th 1951 aged 53. It made Bobby, Teddy and Johnny the youngest circus proprietors in the world as they took over the running of the show and they were only in their 20’s.
    For the 1952 season, the first without their father, the name was changed to Fossett’s Circus. 1952 was also an important year for Teddy as history repeated itself when a young circus artiste came as top of the bill, her name Herta Bhorsky, part of the three
    Lordini Perch Act. It was love at first sight and they married in 1953. In the following years Bobby married Susie Delaney, Mary married Antonio Garcia, Amy married Louis Garcia, Mona married Michael Gerbola. Johnny was not married when he died unexpectedly in 1989. Of the boys Teddy was the only one to have children, Edward, Robert, Marion, Angela and Mona. Marion continues to tour with the show and is Ireland’s most famous Ring mistress. Anglea is married to Europe’s greatest clown Fumagalli. Mona is married in France to Alain Santus. Their mother, Herta, still tours with the circus and plays an important part in the day-to-day running of the show
    .

    http://www.shannonheritage.com/SpecialEvents/Fossetts%20Circus/


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    Finished this book during the week, it's good
    http://www.eason.ie/look/9781848890060/Courage-and-Conflict/Ian-Kenneally
    Courage and Conflict, Forgotten Stories of the Irish at War

    Covers a lot of the topics in this thread.
    The American Civil War, the San Patricios and John Holland are the most well known.

    Other less well known stories such as The Papal Army, Connacht Rangers mutiny (actually that is well known) and the man eating lions of Tsavo.
    There was a film with Val Kilmar on the lions, Heart of Darkness I believe it was called.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    I would love to know more of the obscure stuff on the Connaught Rangers and Papal Army -any links.

    the Connaught Rangers Mutiny and the Irish and India Connection should be a fascinating read as a thread in its own right.

    I once had a book called the Rajah from Tipperary about an Irish guy who became a warlord in the 18th century. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/George_Thomas_(soldier)

    The Indian Constitution was modelled on the Irish and people forget that at was one of the few constitutions of its type knocking around at that time.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    I can't see to find a better summary of the Connaught Rangers muting then wikipedia.
    It wasn't an obscure event, I'm sure there are many articles online and books about it
    Mutiny in India, 1920


    Connaught Rangers mutineers memorial, Glasnevin Cemetery, Dublin
    When news of the Irish War of Independence, and the reprisals taken in Ireland by the Black and Tans and the Auxiliary Division reached the 1st Battalion at Jalandhar the mutiny began. On 28 June 1920, five men from C Company refused to take orders from their officers, declaring their intent not to serve the King until the British forces left Ireland. The Union Flag at Jalandhar, in the Punjab, was replaced by the flag of the Irish Republic.
    Within three days, the mutiny ended and the mutineers imprisoned at Dagshai. At Solan, rumours began in the Rangers detachment there that the prisoners had been executed. Led by Private James Daly, about 70 Rangers joined the mutiny and stormed the armoury. The loyal guard successfully defended it: Privates Sears and Smyth were shot dead while other mutineers were taken prisoner. In all, about 400 men joined the mutiny, of whom eighty-eight were court martialled. Fourteen men were sentenced to death and the rest given up to 15 years in gaol. A few were acquitted. Thirteen of the men sentenced to die had their sentences commuted to life imprisonment.
    The 21-year-old Daly was shot by a firing squad in Dagshai prison on November 2, 1920; he was the last member of British Forces to be executed for mutiny. Pte Sears and Pte Smyth were buried at Solan; Daly and John Miranda (who died in prison) were buried at the Dagshai graveyard (until 1970, see below).
    James Daly had served in the Great War earning the British War Medal & Victory Medal and had volunteered to serve in India.
    [edit]

    Short summary of the Irish in the Papal Army from the book I mentioned
    http://www.iankenneally.com/page2.php
    By 1860, all that was left of the Papal States was a section of central Italy. Early in that year the Pope, Pius IX, made a call to the Catholic countries of Europe to send troops in support of the Papal States, so as to protect the States from the neighbouring region of Piedmont. It was a call that was heard in Ireland and within weeks over 1,000 Irish troops had signed up to fight for the Papacy under the command of 35 year old Myles William O’ Reilly from Louth, a well-known figure in Ireland. The troops themselves had little military experience being a mixture of ‘some peasants from the fields, some farmers, clerks, medical students, lawyers…some old soldiers, some militia men and some Royal Irish Constabulary’. By the beginning of that summer Reilly and his men were in Italy but the army they had joined was in a perilous state. The Papal army was an ad-hoc mixture of different nationalities with not enough officers or weapons for its 17,000 soldiers. The Irish soldiers were especially badly equipped and to make matters worse the Irish Battalion was divided into a number of differing contingents. Over the short war of 1860 the Irish would fight at the sieges of Ancona, Perugia and Spoleto as well as at the battle of Castelfidardo. Myles O’Reilly, at Spoleto, would prove to be a very capable commander and Irish troops across the conflict would repeatedly win praise for their performances in battle. Indeed, the commander of the Papal army, at the war’s end, lauded them as the most important component his army, saying that he had ‘the liveliest satisfaction in being able to express to those soldiers his entire satisfaction and bestowing on them the highest praise for their conduct’.

    Many of the Irish in the Papal Army ended up fighting in the American Civil War and then later on served in many regiments like Custers 7th Cavalry
    If you ever get to Rome the Palace of Victor Emmanuelle has a huge exhibition over many floors on this war.
    These aren't great links though, I'll stay searching


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Sometimes leaving Ireland did not even merit a biography




    Did you ever wonder about those that left Ireland to "make their fortune".
    Where did they go? How did they get on? Where did they end up?

    Suzanne writes "I live in Nevada, about 30 miles from Virginia City,
    where many Irish gold miners were buried...
    One epitaph in particular has haunted me...that of Declan O'Connell, died 1861,"
    "I came for the love of gold, and found that I had left it behind in Ireland."
    Just 2 miles down the hill from Declan O'Connell's grave we find in in Silver City, Nevada
    "Here lies Butch. We planted him raw. He was quick on the trigger, but slow on the draw."
    Butch was actually John Pearse, a sometime gunslinger but mostly a drunk according to Mark Twain who wrote complete columns about John's exploits including his betrothal dance with a pig.
    The articles appeared in the "Territorial Enterprise" which was the most famous and widely circulated paper in the West.
    "Union Brewery Saloon" by Suzanne Neeley
    • A grave in Goldfield another Nevada gold mining town bears the inscription
      "A Stranger in these parts, but she said she was from Ireland."
      (no dates)
    • And this one by the roadside near Nogales, Arizona:
      "Here lies Mary Katherine, a very good girl." born Wickelow 1851 died here July 1, 1869. (makes you wonder!!! also notice the spelling of Wicklow)
    for some pics go here
    http://imagesofireland.tripod.com/epitaphs.htm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 19,986 ✭✭✭✭mikemac


    CDfm wrote: »
    Almost a century before Patrick Pearse was executed you had Alexander Pearse who was hanged in Austrailia for his culinary tastes "human stew"

    RTE showed The Last Confession of Alexander Pearce last December.

    Channel 4 showed it this month and of course changed the title to "Confessions of a Cannibal Convict" :rolleyes:
    Dumbing it down for their market??

    I'll forgive them as it's free to watch on their website, good acting, well done to all who produced it

    http://www.channel4.com/programmes/confession-of-a-cannibal-convict


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Here is something a little bit different and we are used to hearing about Skackleton and Tom Crean but take a look at what Viscount Avonmore got up to in 1897



    The Helpman Expedition to the Klondike





    the story of the Helpman O’Brien Klondike Expedition



    The Helpman O'Brien party arrived in Canada in late 1897. They left Edmonton for the Klondike in early 1898, assisted by local guides and outfitters which included Oliver Travers, his brother Sidney Travers and several others. This party intended to carry out mapping and mineral exploration along the way. While they successfully traveled overland to Lesser Slave and eventually Peace River, their party separated into two smaller groups and never did reach Dawson City. By 1899 most members of this party had returned to England and Ireland.


    The Edmonton Trail...

    The fever of gain was on the land
    From the farthest points of the ocean's strand'
    Men braved the terrors of Arctic cold,
    In the mad, wild rush for the Yukon gold.

    The men of the town then spoke them fair,
    "The dangers are many that ye must dare,
    But the surest way to the golden North
    Is the inland trail and the mountain path.

    "Here is the mart where we supply
    Cattle and goods that ye needs must buy."
    The strangers listened and paid the price,
    Not once the value, but twice and thrice.

    By plain and mountain and valley and burn
    They left homes which they will never return;
    And many a woman's piteous wail
    Goes up for the men on the inland trail.

    Some were lost in the trackless wild;
    Some were caught where the snowdrifts piled;
    And wearily down to die have lain.
    But the men of the town have got their gain.

    Their bones lie white 'neath the Northern Lights,
    Their only shrouds are the long-drawn nights;
    The gaunt wolf howls 'til the white stars pale
    O'er the undug graves on the inland trail.

    Starved and crippled and sick and frail,
    A few come back from that Inland trail;
    But ever they rue and curse the day
    When they followed the track of the 'hell-gate way."

    But the men of the town who gave the lie
    Will answer before their God on high
    When the last trump rends the heavens veil
    And summons the bones from the inland trail.

    A R G, Victoria, BC, Aug 25, 1899

    Victoria Daily Colonist (Aug 26, 1899)




    Provincial Archives of Alberta B.5168 - January 13, 1898 - Photographer: C.W. Mather

    The thirteen members of the Helpman O'Brien party included Major John Henry Rudyerd Helpman, Captain Mathew Evanson O'Brien, Viscount Avonmore (Lord Algernon William Yelverton from Belle Isle, County Tipperary, Ireland), Lt. Col. Augustus Simeon Le Quesne, Captain Edward Wentworth Fisher Holder Alleyne, Captain John Hall, Captain Charles Atherton Folliott Powell, Dr. Samuel Evans Mostyn Hoops, Dr. Francis Hallwright, and Messrs. Charles Atherton Folliott Powell Jr., C.C. Bannister, E.A. Jeffreys and C.H. Simpson. Some of these men were retired British Army and Naval officers, and others were on leave

    There are lots of pictures and links

    http://traverslancashire.net/Travers_of_Lancashire/Helpman_Klondike_Party.html



    And of course there was Mici MacGowan from Donegal
    "Hard Road to Klondike" --Fascinating Irish Book and Film
    My Irish-Gaelic class, held every Wednesday evening at the Irish-American Club East Side (in Euclid, Ohio), read a book in Irish called "Rotha Mor an tSaoil," which means literally "Big Wheel of Life." The book has been translated into English with a different title, "The Hard Road to Klondike." A few years ago (1999), Desmond Bell, a documentary filmmaker who is also a professor at Queens University Belfast, made a film of the book and titled it "Hard Road to Klondike." The 55-minute film is not widely available, but I was able to borrow it from the Oberlin College Library. Last night our Irish class viewed the film at our regular Wednesday night meeting.

    The book is the autobiography of Mickey MacGowan, born in 1865 in a Gaelic-speaking region of County Donegal, Ireland [more coming]. http://northcoastview.blogspot.com/2009/06/hard-road-to-klondike-fascinating-irish.html



    I havent read the book - blame Peig - but I imagine that its a fascinating story.

    Does anyone know more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm




    Here is a story from CNN of foul play and a mass gravein in Pennsylvania

    <H1>Grandfather's ghost story leads to mysterious mass grave

    By Meghan Rafferty, CNN
    August 24, 2010 -- Updated 2128 GMT (0528 HKT)

    Mass murder in 1832? Maybe


    STORY HIGHLIGHTS
    • Former railroad worker told ghost story every Thanksgiving
    • He left a box of documents to one of his grandsons
    • Brothers followed clues, discovered mass grave in Philadelphia suburb
    • Experts are checking remains for signs of foul play

    Malvern, Pennsylvania (CNN) -- "This is a mass grave," Bill Watson said as he led the way through the thick Pennsylvania woods in a suburb about 30 miles from Philadelphia.
    "Duffy's Cut," as it's now called, is a short walk from a suburban cul-de-sac in Malvern, an affluent town off the fabled Main Line. Twin brothers Bill and Frank Watson believe 57 Irish immigrants met violent deaths there after a cholera epidemic struck in 1832.
    They suspect foul play.
    "This is a murder mystery from 178 years ago, and it's finally coming to the light of day," Frank Watson said.
    The brothers first heard about Duffy's Cut from their grandfather, a railroad worker, who told the ghost story to his family every Thanksgiving. According to local legend, memorialized in a file kept by the Pennsylvania Railroad, a man walking home from a tavern reported seeing blue and green ghosts dancing in the mist on a warm September night in 1909.
    "I saw with my own eyes, the ghosts of the Irishmen who died with the cholera a month ago, a-dancing around the big trench where they were buried; it's true, mister, it was awful," the documents quote the unnamed man as saying. "Why, they looked as if they were a kind of green and blue fire and they were a-hopping and bobbing on their graves... I had heard the Irishmen were haunting the place because they were buried without the benefit of clergy."
    When Frank inherited the file of his grandfather's old railroad papers, the brothers began to believe the ghost stories were real. They suspected that the files contained clues to the location of a mass grave.
    "One of the pieces of correspondence in this file told us 'X marks the spot,'" said Frank. He added that the document suggested that the men "were buried where they were making the fill, which is the original railroad bridge."
    </H1>
    for more on this and a news video check out this link

    http://edition.cnn.com/2010/CRIME/08/24/pennsylvania.graves.mystery/#fbid=5P5fiAVf2gQ&wom=false


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Two Irish Papists caught doing Burglary in Canada ”
    Early American Criminals: The Canadian Burglars


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    On Friday, December 4, 1789, William Mooney Fitzgerald and John Clark were scheduled to appear before the court in St. John, New Brunswick. They were to learn their sentence after being tried and found guilty of burglary the day before. That morning, Rev. Charles William Milton entered their prison cell and later wrote that he found “two unhappy men, surrounded with chains, expecting every moment to have sentence of death pronounced on them,” which “together with the disagreeable stench which arose from them, so affected me, that I was speechless for some time.”
    After meeting Fitzgerald and Clark, Milton accompanied the two convicts to the court, where at noon the Honorable Judge Upham pronounced a sentence of death on them and ordered that they be held in jail until their execution on December 18.
    The Head of the White Boys

    William Mooney Fitzgerald was born in June 1763 in the city of Limerick, Ireland. His parents were honest and creditable, but at the age of sixteen he joined the White Boy gang and became their leader.
    The White Boys were a band of agrarian Irish-Catholic insurgents who committed violent offences starting around 1759 to protest enclosures of common land, evictions from rented land, and exorbitant tithes. They took their name from the white smocks they wore as uniforms, and they were accused of carrying out “dreadful barbarities” on people who did not follow their orders or join their gang:
    they cut out their tongues, amputated their noses or ears; they made them ride many miles in the night on horseback, naked or bare-backed; they buried them naked in graves lined with furze [a thorny bush with yellow flowers] up to their chins; they plundered and often burned houses; they houghed [i.e., cut the hamstring] and maimed cattle; they seized arms, and horses, which they rode about the country, and levied money, at times even in the day (Sir Richard Musgrave, Memoirs of the Different Rebellions in Ireland, From the Arrival of the English, 1802).
    During the first half of the 1780’s when Fitzgerald headed the gang, White Boy activity seemed to focus on protesting tithe collections, although the institution in general had already begun to decline by this time.
    While a member of the White Boys, Fitzgerald carried out several capital crimes. At the age of 19 he was condemned to death for committing rape, but for some reason was pardoned. In 1785 at the age of 22, he and six others broke into the home of Rev. Buckner and stole an astonishing 15,000 guineas without being detected. Justice finally caught up with Fitzgerald when that same year he was caught and sentenced to death under the White Boy Act, but he was reprieved on condition of being transported to Botany Bay.
    Fitzgerald boarded a ship with 138 other convicts, but instead of proceeding down the coast of Africa and west towards Australia, the captain headed in the opposite direction. He sailed towards Nova Scotia with the intention of selling the convicts as indentured servants. The captain’s scheme was easily discovered, so he dumped his shipload of convicts near Little River in Massachusetts (which later became part of the state of Maine).
    Fitzgerald committed two thefts while in Massachusetts before fleeing to St. John in New Brunswick, where he met up with some of his fellow convicts from the ship. They committed several thefts together before Fitzgerald and Clark teamed up and were arrested for the burglary of William Knutten’s house.
    An Unusual Pardon

    John Clark was also born in Ireland around the same time as Fitzgerald. After displeasing his father through his conduct and actions, Clark joined the army, but then deserted it and became a thief. He rejoined the army, but before he could desert again, he was shipped off to America to fight in the American Revolution. Clark was discharged after the war, but he re-enlisted in another regiment, only to be discharged again after being tried by court martial for thefts and misdemeanors.
    In 1786, Clark and two others were tried and sentenced to death for burglary in Halifax. But Clark received a pardon on condition that he carry out the execution of the two other burglars, which he did with their consent. Despite this near miss, Clark continued to commit even more thefts in Nova Scotia.
    On October 18, 1788, Clark traveled to St. John, where he met one of the women from Fitzgerald’s convict ship. She and another woman convinced Clark to carry out with Fitzgerald the burglary that led to their arrest.
    Regular Visits in Prison

    As Fitzgerald and Clark came out of the court room after their sentencing, Rev. Milton handed them a Bible. He later discovered that Fitzgerald not only was brought up as a “rigid papist,” but that he was illiterate, so Clark volunteered to read to his partner. Milton visited the two prisoners every day to discuss the Gospel. On the fourth day, Milton was advised to limit his visits so as to avoid offending the public, but after some reflection he “without hesitation, rejected the advice, as coming from the father of lies.”
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    On the Sunday before their execution at three o’clock in the afternoon, Milton preached in front of the jail. The convicts stood on a snow bank and Clark on top of a table, and despite the extreme cold, a large group of people turned out to hear his sermon and gawk at the prisoners. Before Milton began his speech, Clark asked permission to read a confession to the public, which was granted. Many tears were shed during the sermon, and afterward the “prisoners appeared very much resigned.”
    On Wednesday, the judge ordered Fitzgerald and Clark to hear their death warrant read aloud, and by their own request their coffins were delivered into their jail cell. Milton wrote that the sight of them lying in their coffins was one “which no feeling mind could behold without being affected.”
    While in prison, Fitzgerald supplied to the authorities a list of seventeen convicts he knew from the ship that transported him, along with their crimes. Eight of the convicts were transported for shoplifting or theft, and four committed animal theft. Others were banished for highway robbery, coining, and rape.
    Milton’s regular visits must have had their effect, because on the day of their execution he found Fitzgerald and Clark “as much composed as if they were about going a pleasant journey.” The two walked to their place of execution on each side of the Reverend, who took leave of them after they ascended the ladder of the gallows. While moving up the rungs, Milton heard Clark observe that “every step he took was a step nearer to God.”
    The two were executed at half past noon. “More solemnity,” Milton wrote, “was perhaps never observed at any execution before.

    http://www.earlyamericancrime.com/criminals/canadian-burglars


  • Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 16,647 Mod ✭✭✭✭Manic Moran


    Don't forget that when you go into the shrine in the Alamo, there's an Irish tricolour there too.

    Irish people have historically gone poncing around the world and ended up fighting in other people's wars. I'd occasionally fly a small tricolour behind my hatch in the tank in Iraq, I'd meet all sorts of other emigrants in the turrets of other vehicles passing by.

    NTM


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    It was almost 180 years folllowing their execution before Dominic Daley & James Halligan were exonerated by Michael Dukakis .

    Boston of 1806 was not a friendly place for the Irish as this story points out. The case became a cause celebre for almost 2 centuries.

    This was pre-famine emigration and just 8 years after Vinegar Hill in 1798 and 3 years following Robert Emmetts execution.
    June 5th 2008 was the 202nd anniversary of the hanging deaths of Dominic Daley and James Halligan. I was privileged to attend this event and was asked to place flowers at the base of their memorial stone. They were two Irish Immigrants to Massachusetts who were accused of murder. The atmosphere in Massachusetts at that time was anti-Irish and anti-Papist. On that day 25,000 people gathered in Northampton to witness the double hangings. Their bodies were taken down from the gallows and dissected and their bones strewn in the woods unburied...as was the punishment in those days for heinous crimes. Ten years later a local farmer was said to have confessed to the murder on his death bed.

    I researched this true story and in 1984 my play "THEY'RE IRISH! THEY'RE CATHOLIC!! THEY'RE GUILTY!!!" was presented for the first time to pressure Governor Michael Dukakis into granting them posthumous Exonerations This was successful and the pardon was granted to them on March 16, 1984

    http://blog.jim-curran.com/2008/06/06/dominic-daley-and-james-halligan-memorial-service.aspx.










    Dominic Daley and James Halligan Trial:
    1806


    Defendants: Dominic Daley, James Halligan
    Crime: Murder
    Chief Defense Lawyers: Francis Blake, Thomas Gould, Edward Upham, Jabez Urham
    Chief Prosecutors: James Sullivan, John Hooker
    Judges: Theodore Sedgwick, Samuel Sewall
    Place: Northampton, Massachusetts
    Date of Trial: April 24, 1806
    Verdict: Guilty
    Sentence: Death by hanging
    SIGNIFICANCE: This otherwise obscure trial—rightly or wrongly—later came to be seen as epitomizing the anti-Irish bias that was widespread in New England during the early nineteenth century.
    As the new American republic moved into the nineteenth century, most New Englanders were still of British stock and Protestant persuasion. Many of these Americans made no secret of their detestation of all Roman Catholics. Most especially, although they had just finished a war to break away from Great Britain, many New Englanders kept alive their English relatives' deep-seated prejudice against the Irish. It is against this background that an otherwise routine trial in a corner of Massachusetts has come to be judged by later generations.
    The Crime

    It was on November 10, 1805, that the body of a young man—his head bludgeoned and with a bullet hole in his chest—was discovered in a stream near Springfield, Massachusetts, after his horse had been found wandering in a nearby field on the afternoon of November 9. Two pistols were found near the scene of the murder. Letters in the horse's saddlebags identified the victim as Marcus Lyon, who turned out to be a young farmer from Connecticut making his way home from upstate New York.
    Several local men and a young boy quickly came forward with reports of two strangers seen walking along the turnpike in that vicinity on November 9. On Monday, November 11, a sheriff's posse set out and, by asking everywhere along the road, were able to catch up on Tuesday with two such men in Cobscrossing, Connecticut (near Rye, New York). They were Dominic Daley and James Halligan, two fairly recent Irish immigrants, and they admitted that they had come along that turnpike while walking from Boston en route to New York City. Although both men denied having any knowledge of the murder, they were arrested and brought back to Massachusetts to await trial. For some reason, Daley was singled out as having performed the actual act of murder while Halligan was accused of "aiding and abetting."
    The Trial

    On Thursday, April 24, 1806, the courtroom in Northampton, a county seat in western Massachusetts, was so packed that the trial was moved to the town's meeting house. Each defendant had been assigned two lawyers, but they had been given barely 48 hours to prepare a defense. The presiding judges were two of the most distinguished jurists in Massachusetts; a jury of 12 had been agreed upon. In the weeks before the trial, rumors had surfaced throughout the region promising that there would be no end of evidence linking these two to the murder. But in the end, the prosecution's case rested for the most part on a series of witnesses who could at best claim they recognized one or both of the defendants as having been walking along the turnpike near the murder scene on November 9.
    There was also a gun dealer from Boston who testified that he had sold two pistols like the presumed murder weapons to a man who "talked like an Irishman"; otherwise he could not identify either of the two defendants as the purchaser. The owner of the inn where Lyon had spent some months in upstate New York testified that Lyon, the night before he had set out on his journey, had shown him some banknotes, two of which were exactly like those found on the person of Daley. Although the judge would instruct the jury to regard the testimony about the guns and the money as "circumstances too remote to bear upon the present case," the fact is the jury had been allowed to hear this. A 13-year-old boy, Laertes Fuller, gave the most damaging testimony. He alone connected the two men to the very locale of the murder and to the horse at about midday on November 9, although even he did not claim to have had a good look at Halligan.
    When the prosecution rested its case, Daley and Halligan's lawyers offered no witnesses and the defendants, due to the law then in effect in Massachusetts, could not take the stand. Instead, one of Daley's lawyers, Francis Blake, delivered a long speech attacking the prosecution's case. Occasionally legalistic, sometimes eloquent, occasionally irrelevant, sometimes right-on point, Blake proceeded to argue that in fact there was no proof that Lyon had even been murdered on November 9, the day that Daley and Halligan were said to have been walking along that stretch of highway. The pistols were two of thousands in use at that time. (He said nothing about the banknotes, and the prosecution itself chose to drop that testimony—possibly because it appeared too "neat" to be true.) The case effectively rested on the testimony of the 13-year-old boy. Blake argued that the murder could not possibly have taken place during the brief 15 minutes when the boy said he first saw the two men on foot and then with the horse—during which brief period, moreover, the boy said he heard no gunshot.
    No, said Blake, the real reason these two men were being charged was because they were Irishmen. After referring to the Boston gun dealer's identification as that of a "mind infected, in common with others, with that national prejudice which would lead him to prejudge the prisoners because they are Irishmen," Blake rose to even more rhetorical heights:
    Pronounce then a verdict against them! Condemn them to a gibbet! Hold out an awful warning of the wretched fugitives from that oppressed and persecuted nation! … That the name of an Irishman is, among us, but another name for a robber and an assassin; that everyman's hand is lifted against him; that when a crime of unexampled atrocity is perpetrated among us, we look around for an Irishman.
    But it was to no avail. The trial ended about 11 that evening, and the jurors returned with their verdict about midnight. Both men were found guilty, and the next day they were sentenced to hang.
    An Execution and an Exoneration

    In the days before their execution, the Reverend Jean Louis Cheverus, a Roman Catholic priest, came out from Boston and heard their confession. The two were hanged before a crowd estimated as 15,000 on June 5, 1806. Father Cheverus explained to the many Protestant questioners that "the doctrine of the Church" forbade him ever to reveal what the men had confessed. Inevitably rumors about this crime continued to surface but it was not until 1879 that there first appeared in print the claim that a man had confessed on his deathbed to being the true murderer. In later years, this claim was enhanced by such details as the confessor's having been the uncle of the young Laertes Fuller. But there was no corroborating evidence for either the confession or the uncle's ties to the crime, and eventually most people of western Massachusetts forgot about Daley and Halligan. However, as the Irish-American community became both more integrated and confident, individuals eventually succeeded in gaining a reconsideration of the case, and in March 1984 Massachusetts Governor Michael Dukakis proclaimed the innocence of Daley and Halligan.
    The Issue of Bias

    The now-accepted version is that Daley and Halligan were totally innocent and were persecuted only because of their being Irish and Catholic. But has this been proven? There is no denying that Roman Catholics in general, and Irish immigrants in particular, had to endure great discrimination and injustices at the time of the trial. Most people would agree that the case against Daley and Halligan was weak, even unacceptable by today's standards. In those days, there were no tests for fingerprints, ballistics, "crime scene," or other investigations for evidence. But still unclear to some is whether Daley and Halligan were found guilty solely because of their ethnic and religious ties. In fact, they were the men seen traveling along that road, and the posse that set out after them had no notion that they were Irish Catholics. The only overt reference to their being Irish on the part of the prosecution was the Boston gundealer's allusion to the speech. Nothing else said by the prosecution or judges referred to their being Irish or Catholics.
    The issue of their guilt by dint of being Irish, in fact, seems to have been raised—and exploited—entirely by the defense lawyer. Daley and Halligan may well have been innocent, but the claim that they were convicted solely because of their being Irish Catholics seems unproved—and probably forever unprovable.


    http://www.encyclopedia.com/doc/1G2-3498200042.html


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Here is a bit more on the origans of the Irish in New England, cowboys were Irish - whats more they were first organised by a puritan who recognised their abilities.

    Irish Cowboys and Hobby Horses
    Young John Pynchon had inherited his father’s knack for details and organization. Furthermore he had Peter Swank’s knowledge regarding the buccaneer feed lot operation. Yet both men realized this new venture was going to call for a specialized type of labor force. Pynchon had an inspiration.
    He recruited Irish cowboys.
    Though often overlooked in history books, there were many Irish emigrants in New England by the mid-seventeenth century. Some had arrived as indentured servants. Others had fled Ireland of their own free will, willing to risk life and limb in an often savage new world, rather than live under the ruthless dictatorship inflicted on their homeland by the English conqueror Oliver Cromwell.
    These Irish emigrants arrived with not only an ancient equestrian history but even brought a well-known Irish word with them. Their country had already been a center for beef and dairy production for more than five hundred years. As early as 1,000 AD Irish minstrels were recording songs about “the cowboy.” Medieval poems such as “The Triads” spoke of Irish men rounding up cattle from horseback. The Irish horse was as famous as the men who rode it. These natural pacers, imported into England as early as 1350, were favored mounts of squires, merchants and other gentry. The solid little Irish horse had a gait “as comfortable as a rocking chair on the hob.” The warm, flat area in front of the fireplace known as the hob was the most restful place in the house. The legend of the gently rocking “hobby horse” thus arose from this Irish pacer.
    By the fall of 1654 John Pynchon and Peter Swank knew where they could find horses and the men to ride them for America’s first roundup.
    The Puritan Roundup
    Among the Irish cow punchers Pynchon recruited was John Daley. In addition he purchased an indentured Scottish prisoner of war named John Stewart who became the resident blacksmith.
    With his cowhands lined up, John Pynchon, America’s first cattle baron, was almost ready.
    Like all ranch hands, first they needed horses.
    When the Puritans arrived in America, they had originally been weak horsemen. A widespread belief was that horses were a luxury “belonging to the gentry.” Cattle, pigs and sheep had more uses to these sturdy yeomen. Not only could these animals be eaten, they provided essential by-products such as milk, hides, butter, etc. But the horse had little value after its death. English heritage had a strong bias against using horseflesh for human food. An exception to this was the winter of 1610 when the Jamestown colonists ate their seven horses rather than starve. It is not surprising then to discover the fleet that brought the Puritans to Salem in 1628 for example carried 110 cattle but only thirteen horses. The need for pack ponies and dependable riding mounts was soon evident. By 1640 there were an estimated 200 horses in New England, with more arriving on every ship. Many of these were Irish “hobbies.”
    In 1647 the number of horses in Massachusetts had increased so quickly that the General Court passed a branding law. All animals were doubly branded: first with the symbol of the township in which it was located and secondly with the registered brand of its owner.
    The Puritan cowboys needed this equestrian advantage. It was routine practice to let cattle roam free on commonly owned ground. The small Devon and Durham cattle were anything but docile, maybe not longhorn mean but tough, spooky and belligerent. Once they mounted, Pynchon, Swank, Daley and the others started America’s first cattle round up during the fall of 1654. The cattle were brought in, branded and then herded into newly built corrals.
    That winter the majority of Pynchon’s neighbors' cattle roamed through the woods and common meadows trying not to starve during the brutal New England storms. Meanwhile Pynchon’s Devon and Durham stock were being quietly tended in their corrals. Several sheds protected the cattle from the worst of the elements. Wheat straw and cornstalks strewn across the floor served as both bedding and a dietary supplement. Every day or two for the next five or six months the cowboys brought them dried corn-on-the-cob, cured hay, vegetable scraps from the family table and pulp from the cider mill.
    By February the technique of the buccaneers had been proved a success. The cattle left to forage by his neighbors were rail-thin and as wild as hawks. Pynchon’s stall-fed cattle were plump, gentle and friendly.
    Old Fort Pynchon was where the first cattle-drive began in 1655.
    “Head ‘Em Up – Move ‘Em Out !”
    On a crisp spring morning in 1655 John Pynchon looked at the crew of mounted men waiting before him. There were no artists present to record the rig these cowboys wore. Like the Texans who rode a cow trail hundreds of years later, they must have dressed functionally in durable work clothes. Jackets and vests stitched from moose-hide or deerskins were common Puritan garments. Homespun shirts, buckskin breeches, fur caps and leather boots shiny with bear grease would have graced many a young rider. During the three week trip ahead of them, heavy dark wool capes would keep them warm during the day and serve as blankets at night.
    One other thing they shared with the cowboys yet to be born. Though they came from diverse backgrounds and different countries, though some were slaves, some indentured servants, some free men, they all shared a common love of adventure and horses. They were America’s first cowboys about to ride into history.
    John Pynchon gave the signal to “head ‘em up ..... move ‘em out.” His cowhands swung into action and the herd of stall-fattened Devon and Durham cattle began moving down the Old Bay Path from Springfield, Connecticut towards distant Boston, Massachusetts.
    At first the deep grass-covered valley where they lived presented little problem. The rocky countryside between Springfield and Boston was soon in evidence though. The chuck wagon would not be invented by Charles Goodnight for a couple more centuries. The trail was too thin to allow wheeled traffic anyway. Pynchon probably solved the problem of feeding his cow hands by packing supplies along on a string of pack ponies.
    Once they swung into the saddle we lose track of them. They ride into the sunset like an ancient equestrian puzzle.
    No one has ever solved the record of their daily progress. The local Native Americans, Nipmucks, Nonotucks and Agawams left them alone. Many of the daily events encountered by America’s first cowboys may be locked away in a three hundred year old document A series of records kept by Pynchon - in a system of shorthand he invented - has never been deciphered.
    Could the details of North America's first cattle-drive, an event which included Irish cowboys and African-Americans, be hidden in John Pynchon's still undeciphered records? It is known that the herd arrived at Boston Common almost a month later, mostly intact, and yielded Pynchon a handsome profit. This was the first long drive on record of fat-cattle to a city market anywhere in the present boundaries of the United States.
    While we may lack the daily details of what those early cowboys did on the cattle drive, we do know that things were never the same in old New England.
    In 1675 John Pynchon led his horsemen into battle during King Philip’s War. Several of them made daredevil style rides, delivering messages as heroically as any Pony Express rider. By 1700 the horse trade between New England and the Caribbean was so important that sailing ships were designed with built-in deck pens to hold 150 to 200 horses. These small ships took the Scottish nickname “jockeys.”
    By 1750 cattle drives of more than two thousand horses and cattle, guarded by whip cracking cowboys, were a common sight along the cart roads connecting Baltimore, New York, Philadelphia and Boston. These drives created the first through roads linking the northern and southern colonies.
    Finally, by the time of the Revolutionary War in 1776, the term “cowboy” was commonly used from Maine to Georgia to describe illiterate roughnecks herding cattle in the back country. It grew to have such a derogatory reputation that cattle herdsmen in the East adopted the English term drover instead. The word cowboy would not be popular for a hundred more years, out in some obscure little place called Texas.


    The full article



    http://www.lrgaf.org/articles/irish-cowboys.htm



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    He claimed he killed 42 Victims and here is a link to the quiz.

    I think he was called the Omaha Sniper.

    http://quiz.thefullwiki.org/Frank_Carter

    Question 1: At the beginning of February 1926 a mechanic was murdered with a ________ pistol with a silencer attached..22 Long.22 Short.45 ACP.22 Long Rifle

    [report]

    Question 2: Soon after a doctor was murdered, and then a railroad detective was shot six times in neighboring ________.Mills County, IowaHarrison County, IowaCouncil Bluffs, IowaPottawattamie County, Iowa

    [report]

    Question 3: He was executed by electrocution on June 24, 1927 at the Nebraska State Penitentiary in ________.Omaha, NebraskaNorth Platte, NebraskaLincoln, NebraskaFremont, Nebraska

    [report]

    Question 4: Frank Carter (1881 – 1927) was a notorious sniper murderer in ________.Omaha, NebraskaOmaha – Council Bluffs metropolitan areaBellevue, NebraskaDouglas County, Nebraska

    [report]

    Question 5: [3] Other crimes included shooting indiscriminately into a ________ drug store.Bemis Park Landmark Heritage DistrictDowntown OmahaOmaha, NebraskaOld Market (Omaha, Nebraska)

    [report]

    Question 6: Carter was born in ________ as Patrick Murphy.County WexfordCounty GalwayCounty MayoCounty Kilkenny

    [report]

    Question 7: After a month-long trial where Carter's lawyers plead ________,[9]Bipolar disorderInsanity defenseInsanityMental disorder

    This could be fun.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Funnily enough Mayo does not celebrate their famous son.
    Frank Carter Born 1881 (1881)
    County Mayo, Ireland Died June 24, 1927 (1927-06-25)
    Lincoln, Nebraska Alias(es) Patrick Murphy Conviction(s) Two counts, First degree murder Penalty Execution Status dead Frank Carter (1881 – 1927) was a notorious sniper murderer in Omaha, Nebraska. Tried for two murders, Carter claimed to have murdered forty-three victims. He was known as the Omaha Sniper, Phantom Sniper, and the Sniper Bandit.
    Crimes

    Carter was born in County Mayo, Ireland as Patrick Murphy. At the beginning of February 1926 a mechanic was murdered with a .22 caliber pistol with a silencer attached. Soon after a doctor was murdered, and then a railroad detective was shot six times in neighboring Council Bluffs, Iowa.[1] On February 15 Omaha's newspapers recommended the city blackout all lights after an expose on previous murders showed the victims were standing in their windows at home when they were shot.[2] During daylight hours, the sniper shot another in the face and fired through more than a dozen lighted windows. Businesses in Omaha came to a standstill, streets emptied and the city's entertainment venues emptied for more than a week.[3] Other crimes included shooting indiscriminately into a Downtown Omaha drug store.[4][5]
    More than two weeks after his first murder Carter was captured in Iowa, 30 miles south of Council Bluffs at Bartlett in Fremont County, Iowa. After readily admitting his crimes,[6] he was convicted on two charges of murder, one for killing mechanic William McDevitt and the other for killing Dr. A.D. Searles.[7] After his conviction Carter admitted to being a parole breaker. He was released from the Iowa State Penitentiary in 1925 after serving time for killing cattle.[8]
    After a month-long trial where Carter's lawyers plead insanity,[9] Carter was found guilty. He was executed by electrocution on June 24, 1927 at the Nebraska State Penitentiary in Lincoln, Nebraska. Carter was quoted as saying, "Let the juice flow" just before he died


    http://www.ask.com/wiki/Frank_Carter





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    The last executed prisoner to be buried here was Frank Carter, #9277, a notorious sniper serial killer who committed his murders in Omaha, Nebraska. He was also known as the Omaha Sniper, Phantom Sniper, and Sniper Bandit. He claimed to have murdered 43 people. He was born Patrick Murphy in County Mayo, Ireland in 1881 and started his killing spree in February 1926. He used the aliases of F. Louis Clark, Frank Louis, and Frank Wilson. Just by calling up his name on the internet you can find an array of websites with information on Frank. Of particular interest are Wikipedia.org and http://www.serialkillerdatabase.net. He was featured in the New York Times and Time Magazine. When in the electric chair he is quoted as saying “Shoot the juice”.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,188 ✭✭✭growler


    A relative of mine Ricard O'Sullivan Burke, Confederate Colonel in the American Civil War, have a book on him somewhere in the attic:

    " Ricard (no 'h') O'Sullivan Burke was about 18 when he deserted from the Cork militia - ........ - went to New York, then Central and South America, then California (gold mining), then Chile (joined the cavalry), then back to New York just in time for the civil war. He enlisted in the union army and fought at Bull Run, Yorktown, Fredericksburg, and Petersburg, among other places, and was eventually discharged in 1865 with the rank of brevet colonel, "having gone through the war without a scratch". In his spare time, he organized the Fenian Brotherhood in the Army of the Potomac, preparing himself for peacetime, when he was sent to England to buy guns for the Irish Republican Brotherhood."

    http://irishbiography.blogspot.com/2010/03/fenian-colonel-hapless-explorer.html

    he also appears to have been a key figure in the IRB in his 30's and was involved in the " Fenian Dynamite Campaign"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenian_dynamite_campaign


    Bit more on his role in the failed uprising in Waterford in 1867 here

    Seems like the lad liked a fight!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,511 ✭✭✭dave2pvd


    growler wrote: »
    A relative of mine Ricard O'Sullivan Burke, Confederate Colonel in the American Civil War, have a book on him somewhere in the attic:

    " Ricard (no 'h') O'Sullivan Burke was about 18 when he deserted from the Cork militia - ........ - went to New York, then Central and South America, then California (gold mining), then Chile (joined the cavalry), then back to New York just in time for the civil war. He enlisted in the union army and fought at Bull Run, Yorktown, Fredericksburg, and Petersburg, among other places, and was eventually discharged in 1865 with the rank of brevet colonel, "having gone through the war without a scratch". In his spare time, he organized the Fenian Brotherhood in the Army of the Potomac, preparing himself for peacetime, when he was sent to England to buy guns for the Irish Republican Brotherhood."

    http://irishbiography.blogspot.com/2010/03/fenian-colonel-hapless-explorer.html

    he also appears to have been a key figure in the IRB in his 30's and was involved in the " Fenian Dynamite Campaign"
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenian_dynamite_campaign


    Bit more on his role in the failed uprising in Waterford in 1867 here

    Seems like the lad liked a fight!

    Amazing. What a full life he lived!

    Incidentally, he was not a Confederate Colonel. I think you may have upset him by writing that ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,041 ✭✭✭who the fug


    dave2pvd wrote: »

    Incidentally, he was not a Confederate Colonel. I think you may have upset him by writing that ;)


    If he was on the pull in late life he may have been a confederate Colonel, same way as every bloke is a Democrat/Labour supporter

    ;)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,188 ✭✭✭growler


    dave2pvd wrote: »
    Amazing. What a full life he lived!

    Incidentally, he was not a Confederate Colonel. I think you may have upset him by writing that ;)

    feck , wires crossed ! spinning in his grave I'll bet !


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 Caledone


    The most dangerous man in the West was James J.Dolan born in Loughrea.Check the recently published 'The Lincoln County War'by Paul O'Brien.Then you'll also find out that the Governor of New Mexico was right in not pardoning Henry McCarty aka Billy the Kid recently.


    ...and there was that Jewish-Irish pistolero Chaim 'Jim' Levy...born in Dublin...he plugged a guy that disliked him because he was Irish,not Jewish...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Caledone wrote: »
    The most dangerous man in the West was James J.Dolan born in Loughrea.Check the recently published 'The Lincoln County War'by Paul O'Brien.Then you'll also find out that the Governor of New Mexico was right in not pardoning Henry McCarty aka Billy the Kid recently.


    ...and there was that Jewish-Irish pistolero Chaim 'Jim' Levy...born in Dublin...he plugged a guy that disliked him because he was Irish,not Jewish...

    Welome to the history forum Caledone.

    If there were ever two fellahs deservin of gittin biographied here it was these fellahs who bravely tackled low down yellah bellied scum( i am a bit biased) .......but lay it on me ;)

    Do you have any more detail or links to these Caledone.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 Caledone


    Check J* Grit 'tough Jews' for Jim....I like that bit about whether he was slurred as a 'son of Erin' or 'son of Aaron'...
    whatever he reached.. he was both...just like Briscoe....
    As for 'popular Jimmy Dolan' as Pat Garrett called him, he was one for the ages...won the 'Lincoln County War' hands down....quote from Billy 'I went to meet Mr Dolan,to meet as friends...'...the Kid was a soldier on the other side....they did meet Feb 18 1879 and agreed to a truce...later that night murder occurred....
    Billy reneged and went running to Ben-Hur author Gov Lew.Wallace to shop Jimmy in return for immunity for murdering Lincoln sheriff Major William Brady of Co Cavan...O'Brien gives the real skinny in his recently published book...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 Caledone


    CDfm wrote: »
    A lot of Irish ended up in Canada.

    One family the Donnelly's were involved in a feud which resulted in the massacre of 5 of them around 1880 by a local vigalte group.



    There are a few versions of the story

    http://www.donnellys.com/History.html

    http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/family/donnelly/1.html

    http://www.canadianmysteries.ca/sites/donnellys/home/indexen.html
    The Donnellys were bad neighbors...they also voted the Orange ticket...they were killed by fellow Irish, a kid visiting at the time of the murders hid under a bed and saw the action...nobody was convicted..


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 Caledone


    CDfm wrote: »
    billy_kid2.jpg


    Billy the kid A/K/A Henry McCarty born in the Bowery (Irish) Section of New York had an Irish Mother.

    That reward notice is faked up and it's not for Bonney anyway
    Pat Garrett collected 500 bucks...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 Caledone


    old_aussie wrote: »
    Riley joined the stream of deserters

    Is this an Irish military trait?

    Riley left before the outbreak of hostilities which is why he was not
    butchered with the other captives.General Harney did the job of mass hanging,including that of a double amputee POW.No wonder he was'nt given a command in the 'Civil' War.His CV included murdering his black housekeeper;the Army protected him from prosecution.
    He had the doomed men stand in wagons with ropes around their necks while the battle raged until the Stars and Stripes was raised.Then the horses were flogged forward.The men gave a cheer which is misinterpreted as for the US flag;they were actually cheering the Mexican cadet who took the taken down Mexican flag and hurled himself from the battlements.Deserters they may have been but cowards they were not.

    After that debacle the US Army introduced Catholic chaplains....


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    Caledone wrote: »
    The Donnellys were bad neighbors...they also voted the Orange ticket...they were killed by fellow Irish, a kid visiting at the time of the murders hid under a bed and saw the action...nobody was convicted..

    Maybe so - but it was still an awful crime as bad as any lynching.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6 Caledone


    Jesse may not have been Irish but how about gang member Whiskeyhead Ryan?
    Got felled by a low branch while agallop...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,649 ✭✭✭✭CDfm


    Caledone wrote: »
    Jesse may not have been Irish but how about gang member Whiskeyhead Ryan?
    Got felled by a low branch while agallop...

    do you have links for all these guys and hangings - I like my outlaw hangings :cool:


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