Christening & how much to priest

mozattack

Hi All,

Christening for little son on Sunday and I don't know how much we 'have to' pay the priest. We are not regular church goers are anything and things are tight.

I am hearing €100 but also heard €200... is it really that high*

*(i know it is voluntary but there are certain expectations which we would probably have to honour)

Thanks!!

merlante

mozattack wrote: »

Hi All,

Christening for little son on Sunday and I don't know how much we 'have to' pay the priest. We are not regular church goers are anything and things are tight.

I am hearing €100 but also heard €200... is it really that high*

*(i know it is voluntary but there are certain expectations which we would probably have to honour)

Thanks!!

Surely he'd take a few prayers for his immortal soul and for the suffering children in Africa?

anplaya

mozattack wrote: »

Hi All,

Christening for little son on Sunday and I don't know how much we 'have to' pay the priest. We are not regular church goers are anything and things are tight.

I am hearing €100 but also heard €200... is it really that high*

*(i know it is voluntary but there are certain expectations which we would probably have to honour)

Thanks!!

whatever ye want to give. that simple.

deisemum

mozattack wrote: »

Hi All,

Christening for little son on Sunday and I don't know how much we 'have to' pay the priest. We are not regular church goers are anything and things are tight.

I am hearing €100 but also heard €200... is it really that high*

*(i know it is voluntary but there are certain expectations which we would probably have to honour)

Thanks!!

I think both amounts posted are excessive to say the least especially when you take into account that it's fairly standard now that there will be several babies baptised at the same time.

There were a few babies baptised when my young lad was baptised, think there were 4 if I remember correctly and the lot were all christened within 12 minutes. Godparents didn't even get a chance to get out of the pews it was that fast.

Smiley Burnett

I'm sure if you gave him €50 it would be fine!
p.s. On the same subject, i find it amazing how people spend thousands on events like wedddings/christenings, yet they begrudge the priest a few euro! (im not including you in this!)

deisemum

I would have thought €50 was the average and people should give what they can afford. Some families would find €50 a lot of money to give if they're on a very low income or benefits.

I think if there are 5 christenings at the same time and if everyone gave €50 then I think €250 for 12 mins work is more than a few euro.

snuggles09

I cant even remember if I gave anything on my last daughter..i'm full sure i didnt..he's a priest..it's his job (sorry vocation).. does the money thats given go back into the church fund to pay for heat etc? is that why you pay the priest? or is it to give to him personally? never thought much about it but now you mention i'd be interested to know

SUNGOD

agree with deisemum, 50 is grand as long as you are working but every household is different.
what is reasonable for one family is expensive for another depending on the households income.
and priests shouild understand this
but remember priests are only people in a uniform and should be treated like this and not bowed down too. some are kind and thankful and understanding some are not







and if he does not seem happy with your voluntry donation take the money back and tell him you will forgive him for his churchs sins instead

snuggles09

I second the not to be bowed down to issue as well..was at a confirmation recently and all this kneeling at the bishops feet and applauding him etc didnt sit well with me at all but thats a whole other thread

Smiley Burnett

snuggles09 wrote: »

I cant even remember if I gave anything on my last daughter..i'm full sure i didnt..he's a priest..it's his job (sorry vocation).. does the money thats given go back into the church fund to pay for heat etc? is that why you pay the priest? or is it to give to him personally? never thought much about it but now you mention i'd be interested to know

would you ask a plumber or carpenter to do a job for free??
when a priest is asked by somebody to take time to perform a ceremony such as a wedding or a christening, then you shouldnt begrudge the priest a few pound!

deisemum

snuggles09 wrote: »

I second the not to be bowed down to issue as well..was at a confirmation recently and all this kneeling at the bishops feet and applauding him etc didnt sit well with me at all but thats a whole other thread

I saw the same thing at my son's confirmation last month and felt the same but that was nothing compared to what the bishop came out with in his talk to the children. I was not the only one shocked at the brass neck of him and it has been discussed at great length by so many.

The bishop decided to talk to the children on one of the 8 gifts of confirmation or whatever they're called. There were 8 large posters around the church and each had the word of one of the gifts.

He decided to pick courage and started telling the children that they must have courage to do the right thing even if others are trying to stop them doing the right thing, how it's important to do the right thing etc.

All I could think of was what a hypocrite considering recent revelations of his cowardice to do the right thing. Do as I say and not as I do.

johnnyjb

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

would you ask a plumber or carpenter to do a job for free??
when a priest is asked by somebody to take time to perform a ceremony such as a wedding or a christening, then you shouldnt begrudge the priest a few pound!

I thought priest took a vow of "poverty" :rolleyes:or is that an old wifes tale.
Cars,housing ,food,maids etc... is what is classed as poverty theses days, we really had a boom / celtic tiger if thats the case

I wonder would they try stop (secretly) performing them if they knew there be no bobs in the hand

Smiley Burnett

johnnyjb wrote: »

I thought priest took a vow of "poverty" :rolleyes:or is that an old wifes tale.
Cars,housing ,food,maids etc... is what is classed as poverty theses days, we really had a boom / celtic tiger if thats the case

I wonder would they try stop (secretly) performing them if they knew there be no bobs in the hand

secular priests dont take a vow of poverty, whilst those belonging to a particular orer do.

deise red

As someone previously said give what you are comfortable with I gave €50 when my son was christened 2 years ago

snuggles09

I'm confused..does his job not entail weddings, christenings, funerals, confirmations etc? why does a priest have to be paid for a christening yet we dont have to pay him to confirm our children or when they make their communion? The "few pound" is better in my pocket than his seeing as I don't have a maid, free house, car and have children and a house to run..not everyone is my way of thinking i know but i don't see why should pay a priest for doing his job..do we all throw 50 euro in a card everytime he says a mass? no! whats the difference?

Smiley Burnett

if you ask a priest to do a job like a wedding or a christening then you should pay him accordingly!! I'm sure you wouldnt work for free, and I'm certainly sure you wouldnt decide on how much to pay a plumber/carpenter etc on the basis of their circumstances at home!!

You ask someone to do a job, then you pay them!! end of story!

snuggles09

ah so christenings etc are nixers then, aside from their "proper" job of saying mass on a Sunday?

jam_mac_jam

You dont have to give anything. I didnt with mine, I dont see why you would.

MidlandsM

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

I'm sure if you gave him €50 it would be fine!
p.s. On the same subject, i find it amazing how people spend thousands on events like wedddings/christenings, yet they begrudge the priest a few euro! (im not including you in this!)

I think €50 would be accecptable.

I remember when I was getting married, we were @ the pre marriage course and some bloke asked how much to pay the priest and the suggested was the equivelent to 1 days working mans wage.

Thats was during the boom all the same - its changed now and a christening is a 20 min jobbie:)

AARRRRGH

If he declares it to revenue and pays tax on it then its income from employment.

Otherwise its a donation and as such should not be expected at all. Its up to the person giving.

€50 is plenty. They should be doing it for free anyway and even if you gave nothing, they shouldnt hold it against you.

Think about your own hourly salary, then work out how long hes spent on your childs christening (Ive been at some with 8 children being chritened at the same time) and pay him based on your own hourly rate.

anplaya

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

if you ask a priest to do a job like a wedding or a christening then you should pay him accordingly!! I'm sure you wouldnt work for free, and I'm certainly sure you wouldnt decide on how much to pay a plumber/carpenter etc on the basis of their circumstances at home!!

You ask someone to do a job, then you pay them!! end of story!

eh i thought the priests get a basic salary and any extras they get are supposed too go into the maintenance of the church?unless theyve took a vow of poverty like the francisians?

big difference between jimmy doing a nixer for his beer money.

snuggles09

jam_mac_jam wrote: »

You dont have to give anything. I didnt with mine, I dont see why you would.

i'm the same..i can't get my head around the concept of handing over a lot of money for 10-20 mins of a priests time when thats what his job is?? i was starting to think i was a bit weird in my thinking but good to know i'm not

with regards to the plumber analogy, if a plumber works 9-5 and gets paid, surely any work thats done between the 9-5 he doesnt expect extra money on top of his wages from his client?? is it not the same with a priest? they are men of the cloth who are paid be available 24/7 so their working hours are all day every day. why would they expect payment for a christening and a wedding and not for a communion and a confirmation? they are all sacraments of the church so why pay for one and not for the other? money making gimmick if you ask me

juleserino

Pay with prayer

deisemum

2 priests that I know said there isn't a fee for any sacrament but people can give a donation if they want but it's not necessary, after all if someone is dying would it be right to deny a person the last rites until they pay up.

Smiley Burnett

snuggles09 wrote: »

i'm the same..i can't get my head around the concept of handing over a lot of money for 10-20 mins of a priests time when thats what his job is?? i was starting to think i was a bit weird in my thinking but good to know i'm not

with regards to the plumber analogy, if a plumber works 9-5 and gets paid, surely any work thats done between the 9-5 he doesnt expect extra money on top of his wages from his client?? is it not the same with a priest? they are men of the cloth who are paid be available 24/7 so their working hours are all day every day. why would they expect payment for a christening and a wedding and not for a communion and a confirmation? they are all sacraments of the church so why pay for one and not for the other? money making gimmick if you ask me

you need to check up on the sacraments!! The sacrament of marriage is different from the other sacraments!!

Smiley Burnett

deisemum wrote: »

2 priests that I know said there isn't a fee for any sacrament but people can give a donation if they want but it's not necessary, after all if someone is dying would it be right to deny a person the last rites until they pay up.

you're dead right!! There isnt a fee, and I dont know of any priest who refused to officiate at a ceremony because of lack of money etc!!

deisemum

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

you need to check up on the sacraments!! The sacrament of marriage is different from the other sacraments!!

You're right, you could be paying for it for the rest of your married life

I'd still give a donation, I wouldn't feel comfortable not to but that's just me.

When we renewed out vows the priest wouldn't take any money but we insisted so he gave it to a teenage drug rehabilitation place which I thought was very decent of him.

dayshah

I think this has moved a bit off topic; from how much you should pay to should you pay anything.

I think €50 should be grand for someone on an average income. If its done after a regular mass time you aren't putting the priest out.

The church is an organisation, and need money for everything from light and heat to doing charitable work, to paying staff (including giving priests an acceptable, though not luxurious lifestyle). I'm sure you can decide which priest will baptise the priest, and approach a priest you think will spend the money well.

Think of how much you are spending on the baptism as a whole. If you are someone with enough money to go nuts with a big do and bouncy castles and all that I think you should give more than €50. If you are broke maybe you can't afford to give him anything, and he'd understand. But maybe you could invite the priest around sometime for a cup of tea, or even bake a cake or something.

Some people on here would begrudge the priest any money (rather than people who can't afford it) seem very bitter. Sure its his job, but where do you think the money comes from? I'm not going to defend the Church, but I do think its hypocritical to baptise a child into a religion that you resent.

juleserino

Pay with prayer and a free copy of the Murphy/Ryan report

snuggles09

dayshah wrote: »

I think this has moved a bit off topic; from how much you should pay to should you pay anything.

I think €50 should be grand for someone on an average income. If its done after a regular mass time you aren't putting the priest out.

The church is an organisation, and need money for everything from light and heat to doing charitable work, to paying staff (including giving priests an acceptable, though not luxurious lifestyle). I'm sure you can decide which priest will baptise the priest, and approach a priest you think will spend the money well.

Think of how much you are spending on the baptism as a whole. If you are someone with enough money to go nuts with a big do and bouncy castles and all that I think you should give more than €50. If you are broke maybe you can't afford to give him anything, and he'd understand. But maybe you could invite the priest around sometime for a cup of tea, or even bake a cake or something.

Some people on here would begrudge the priest any money (rather than people who can't afford it) seem very bitter. Sure its his job, but where do you think the money comes from? I'm not going to defend the Church, but I do think its hypocritical to baptise a child into a religion that you resent.

The only reason any of mine were baptised and most recently made communion was to give them the option if they want to marry in a church in later life..i don't agree with anything that has gone on in the church the last 5 decades nor does anyone else if they are honest but it doesnt stop people marrying in the church and baptising their children, it's just the "done thing" in todays society..when i see a bishop tell children at mass that they should swim against the tide and have the courage to stand up against things that are sometimes difficult i think back on how he stood by and did sweet f*** all when children were being raped right under his nose (not literally)..and that to me is more hypocritical

granted not all priests are like that but it's hard with whats come to light for people not to tar everyone with the same brush

With regards to the original post, I'd have no problem paying for light, heat etc for the church but I don't see why a priest should line his pockets when carrying out what are his duties and what he signed up for when he enrolled to become a priest

As another poster said there are priests who will refuse to take the money and those are the priests that I would have time for not the hand out give me money type..when I was having my second daughter christened the priest made a point about giving a "donation" so i didnt bother..if he has to harp on about it he can go f*** to be blunt

dolliemix

snuggles09 wrote: »

.i don't agree with anything that has gone on in the church the last 5 decades

Yet you let your own children get baptised for whatever reason. Does this not make you hypocritical?

Smiley Burnett

snuggles09 wrote: »

The only reason any of mine were baptised and most recently made communion was to give them the option if they want to marry in a church in later life..i don't agree with anything that has gone on in the church the last 5 decades nor does anyone else if they are honest but it doesnt stop people marrying in the church and baptising their children, it's just the "done thing" in todays society..when i see a bishop tell children at mass that they should swim against the tide and have the courage to stand up against things that are sometimes difficult i think back on how he stood by and did sweet f*** all when children were being raped right under his nose (not literally)..and that to me is more hypocritical

granted not all priests are like that but it's hard with whats come to light for people not to tar everyone with the same brush

With regards to the original post, I'd have no problem paying for light, heat etc for the church but I don't see why a priest should line his pockets when carrying out what are his duties and what he signed up for when he enrolled to become a priest

As another poster said there are priests who will refuse to take the money and those are the priests that I would have time for not the hand out give me money type..when I was having my second daughter christened the priest made a point about giving a "donation" so i didnt bother..if he has to harp on about it he can go f*** to be blunt

you're nothing but a hypocrite, who hasnt the guts to stand up and be counted!! If you feel like this, and you are certainly entitled to, why do you continue to interact with the church???

juleserino

Why not let your children make up their own mind when they are old enough to do so. Indoctrinating them into an organization that advocates the suppression of incidents of child sexual abuse by its clergy hardly makes any sense.

It was and continues to be little more than a club for pederasts.

snuggles09

Smiley Burnett wrote: »

you're nothing but a hypocrite, who hasnt the guts to stand up and be counted!! If you feel like this, and you are certainly entitled to, why do you continue to interact with the church???

I don't interact with the church. I'm not marrying next year in a church. I have nothing to do with the church but my daughter attends a catholic school, the same one that I did and all my family have and she was enrolled before all this church malarky came to light..so what am i to do? pull her out of the school and away from all her friends for reasons she would have no comprehension of?

I dare anyone on here to come on and say that even though they despise whats going on in the church they have decided to pull their children from their schools, away from their friends and decided that they won't be making their communion and confirmation in light of it

Make me the scape goat if ye will but I'm one of hundreds of thousands of parents within Ireland today who cannot stand organised religion, what it represents but also has my child in a Catholic school. Agreed it makes my hypocritical but I'm not going to allow my children to suffer up heavel because of what has gone on within the church.



And just to add, at my nieces confirmation I think I was the only person in the church who didnt shake the hand of the bishop when I was meant to, turned my back and walked away and also didnt applaud him as he walked down the aisle at the end of the mass

I believe in God, I don't believe in organised religion and the raping and molesting of children. In school my children learn about God which I think is a good thing..It's the paedophile priests and bishops I've a problem with, not my children learning about God

Smiley Burnett

snuggles09 wrote: »

I don't interact with the church. I'm not marrying next year in a church. I have nothing to do with the church but my daughter attends a catholic school, the same one that I did and all my family have and she was enrolled before all this church malarky came to light..so what am i to do? pull her out of the school and away from all her friends for reasons she would have no comprehension of?

I dare anyone on here to come on and say that even though they despise whats going on in the church they have decided to pull their children from their schools, away from their friends and decided that they won't be making their communion and confirmation in light of it

Make me the scape goat if ye will but I'm one of hundreds of thousands of parents within Ireland today who cannot stand organised religion, what it represents but also has my child in a Catholic school. Agreed it makes my hypocritical but I'm not going to allow my children to suffer up heavel because of what has gone on within the church.



And just to add, at my nieces confirmation I think I was the only person in the church who didnt shake the hand of the bishop when I was meant to, turned my back and walked away and also didnt applaud him as he walked down the aisle at the end of the mass

I believe in God, I don't believe in organised religion and the raping and molesting of children. In school my children learn about God which I think is a good thing..It's the paedophile priests and bishops I've a problem with, not my children learning about God

not all priests are paedophiles you know!!

dayshah

snuggles09 wrote: »

The only reason any of mine were baptised and most recently made communion was to give them the option if they want to marry in a church in later life..

???

If you don't believe in organised religion fair enough. I've no problem with that.

But why should anyone have the option of marrying in a church if they don't believe in it. Why not leave your children unbaptised, and then when they are old enough they can make their own decision. People can be baptised and make their first communion at any age.

As for schooling, where do you think Muslim, Jewish, atheist and Protestant children go to school? They don't all have their own schools, even Protestants send their children to 'Catholic' schools if thats what is in their area. Plenty of national schools merely have a Bishop as a patron. A child doesn't have to be Catholic to go there.

Maybe some parents (especially from mixed families) don't believe in a religion that their child is confirmed in. Fair enough. You don't have to kneel before anyone. But to turn your back on someone is just rude.

snuggles09

i never once said they were ..did you read my previous posts where i said that they werent? and i said it was "paedophile priests" i had a problem with as in preists who are paedophiles..did i ever say all priests are paedophiles? no i dont believe it did ou coming

you coming for beers on the 3rd of july? can you imagine this conversation over pints?:D carnage..lol

snuggles09

dayshah wrote: »

???

If you don't believe in organised religion fair enough. I've no problem with that.

But why should anyone have the option of marrying in a church if they don't believe in it. Why not leave your children unbaptised, and then when they are old enough they can make their own decision. People can be baptised and make their first communion at any age.

As for schooling, where do you think Muslim, Jewish, atheist and Protestant children go to school? They don't all have their own schools, even Protestants send their children to 'Catholic' schools if thats what is in their area. Plenty of national schools merely have a Bishop as a patron. A child doesn't have to be Catholic to go there.

Maybe some parents (especially from mixed families) don't believe in a religion that their child is confirmed in. Fair enough. You don't have to kneel before anyone. But to turn your back on someone is just rude.

well i dont have a time machine so cant go back and have them unbaptised but hand in heart i can say if i was starting over again i wouldnt have them baptised but whats done is done and i cant change it

and do i feel bad for turning my back on a bishop who turned a blind eye to the rape and buggery of children? what do you think? yes i'm such a rude and terrible person:rolleyes:

dayshah

snuggles09 wrote: »

well i dont have a time machine so cant go back and have them unbaptised but hand in heart i can say if i was starting over again i wouldnt have them baptised but whats done is done and i cant change it

and do i feel bad for turning my back on a bishop who turned a blind eye to the rape and buggery of children? what do you think? yes i'm such a rude and terrible person:rolleyes:

Then why go in the first place?

snuggles09

dayshah wrote: »

Then why go in the first place?

for my niece..what am i to do? refuse to be my god daughters sponsor? dont think so..on paper (or written here) then maybe yes thats what SHOULD be done but in reality we all just get on with it..i'm not in the minority by any stretch of the imagination..there are plenty of children who made their communion and confirmation this year who havent seen the inside of a church for the rest of the year

juleserino

dayshah wrote: »

You don't have to kneel before anyone. But to turn your back on someone is just rude.

Simply terrible what she did.:) Probably smoke a turd in purgatory for that one...I mean whats your point dude? That was her symbol of protest, better that than kick him in the nuts, that would have been rude, however I venture such an exercise would no doubt have been most enjoyable.

Good on ya girl, fight hypocrisy with hypocrisy.

Sure the truth is not worth a damn in this neck of the woods

dayshah

snuggles09 wrote: »

for my niece..what am i to do? refuse to be my god daughters sponsor? dont think so..on paper (or written here) then maybe yes thats what SHOULD be done but in reality we all just get on with it..i'm not in the minority by any stretch of the imagination..there are plenty of children who made their communion and confirmation this year who havent seen the inside of a church for the rest of the year

Are you her god-mother? Do you know the role of the god-parents?

I've absolutely no problem with people who dislike the church, but this is sheer hypocrisy.

snuggles09

dayshah wrote: »

Are you her god-mother? Do you know the role of the god-parents?

I've absolutely no problem with people who dislike the church, but this is sheer hypocrisy.

would you give over, there are hundreds of people on this forum who i guarantee can't even tell you who their godparents are and their parents cant even remember..jesus! (no pun intended:D)

deisemum

snuggles is far from alone in her view and so many parents who would prefer not to have their children baptised feel pressurised to do so to stand a better chance of getting into their local school otherwise they're often the ones at the bottom of the list especially if trying to get their child into an over-subscribed school that happens to be a catholic school.

I used to be a regular church goer and had my children before the church scandals came to light like they did and knowing what I know now I regret having had them baptised. My younger son made his confirmation last month and I pleaded with him not to and offered him money if that was the only reason he had for making it.

I have my faith but I no longer want to be associated with the catholic church and feel strongly enough about it that I've downloaded the forms to defect from the catholic church and followed all the advice given on www.countmeout.ie site. I've gone and done the research into having a non-catholic funeral and all that goes with it. I've informed my family and I'm in the process of putting things in place to prevent my husband from organising a catholic funeral if I go before him.

I've informed my sister that I will not be able to act as my godchild's sponsor at his confirmation in a couple of years.

My younger son doesn't even know his godparents as we lost touch over the years.

I wouldn't shake hands with the bishop but I'd tell him straight why I wouldn't do so and yeah it would give me some degree of pleasure.

snuggles09

my partner downloaded the count me out form as well..i havent looked at it yet so i dont know what it entails

i'm just imagining the rift it would cause within my family as both my parents are extremely religious and are regular church goers but they accept my decision not to get married in the eyes of god and have a civil ceremony instead

they were proud as punch watching my daughter making her communion and to them it means a lot so i suppose thats another reason personally for me as to why they will all make their communion and confirmation

as much as i disagree with what has gone on with priests and children etc i still have a belief in God and i don't want them to miss out on their communion and confirmation days as to them it's a big deal and my daughter badgers me something chronic to go to mass so often i let my mother take her on a Sunday as she knows how I feel about it and I don't like going to church..my daughter also has a childrens bible that she reads in bed sometimes and if i'm honest would know more than me when it comes to the bible..i don't force her but she learns things in school and then reads when she comes home..if as she grows older she decides become a religious woman that is totally up to her..i'll stand by her regardless and won't force my views on her..i would never do that to any of my children..they can make up their own mind and likewise if they ever came and said they didnt want to make their confirmation etc that would be ok as well, it's their choice..they have been baptised into the Catholic faith and I can't change that now so I will just continue to support what they learn in school and back them up in whatever they want to do

fair play to you Deisemum for having that conversation with your son..i havent reached that point yet as my elsdest is only 8 but if the time comes and she has any questions I'll answer her honestly

It's the time we live in in modern Ireland and although a lot on here don't agree with my and may think I'm hypocritical in my approach I can take that on the chin as I know at the end of the day I'm happy that I'm doing the right thing for me personally and also for my extended family and as much as I'd like to say screw the church it would cause a massive rift and i'm not willing to upset my children or my family just to be seen to be "standing up and be counted":)

giles lynchwood

in the day's of the punt it would have been 20,just convert that into euro and bob's your uncle

dayshah

deisemum wrote: »

I've informed my sister that I will not be able to act as my godchild's sponsor at his confirmation in a couple of years.

I've no problem with that. You have your views and are sticking to them.

What I've a problem with is someone who uses Church facilities, goes through the motions, but won't make any contribution because they say they don't believe in what they are doing.

Even if someone isn't religious but gets their child baptised for the sake of their parents should still make a contribution (if they can afford it), at the very least out of courtesy to the priest. If someone can't afford anything they can offer the priest to visit for a cup of tea.

snuggles09

voluntary definition
vol·un·tary (väl′ən ter′ē)
adjective

1. brought about by one's own free choice; given or done of one's own free will; freely chosen or undertaken

i'll say no more:)

Yes Boss

I believe at this stage they should be paying you to bring your child to the church!! A discredited organisation that have played a central role in fe(king up Ireland, who peddles a story that is so far from reality....



Ask them how much is your patronage worth to them!!!;)

dolliemix

Some of the opinions here are so immature.

Yes Boss wrote: »

I believe at this stage they should be paying you to bring your child to the church!!



Ask them how much is your patronage worth to them!!!;)

There is a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes ...upkeep and maintenace of Church itself, electricty etc Giving 20 euro/50 euro/ not giving at all is fine. It is voluntary and you won't be forced to pay anything. But bringing up the abuse cases to refer to every single service that Church offers and suggesting that they should be offering all their services for free or pay people for participating is crazy!

Yes Boss

dolliemix wrote: »

Some of the opinions here are so immature.



There is a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes ...upkeep and maintenace of Church itself, electricty etc Giving 20 euro/50 euro/ not giving at all is fine. It is voluntary and you won't be forced to pay anything. But bringing up the abuse cases to refer to every single service that Church offers and suggesting that they should be offering all their services for free or pay people for participating is crazy!

Depending on ones opinion!!