snuggles09 wrote: » The only reason any of mine were baptised and most recently made communion was to give them the option if they want to marry in a church in later life..i don't agree with anything that has gone on in the church the last 5 decades nor does anyone else if they are honest but it doesnt stop people marrying in the church and baptising their children, it's just the "done thing" in todays society..when i see a bishop tell children at mass that they should swim against the tide and have the courage to stand up against things that are sometimes difficult i think back on how he stood by and did sweet f*** all when children were being raped right under his nose (not literally)..and that to me is more hypocritical granted not all priests are like that but it's hard with whats come to light for people not to tar everyone with the same brush With regards to the original post, I'd have no problem paying for light, heat etc for the church but I don't see why a priest should line his pockets when carrying out what are his duties and what he signed up for when he enrolled to become a priest As another poster said there are priests who will refuse to take the money and those are the priests that I would have time for not the hand out give me money type..when I was having my second daughter christened the priest made a point about giving a "donation" so i didnt bother..if he has to harp on about it he can go f*** to be blunt
Smiley Burnett wrote: » you're nothing but a hypocrite, who hasnt the guts to stand up and be counted!! If you feel like this, and you are certainly entitled to, why do you continue to interact with the church???
snuggles09 wrote: » I don't interact with the church. I'm not marrying next year in a church. I have nothing to do with the church but my daughter attends a catholic school, the same one that I did and all my family have and she was enrolled before all this church malarky came to light..so what am i to do? pull her out of the school and away from all her friends for reasons she would have no comprehension of? I dare anyone on here to come on and say that even though they despise whats going on in the church they have decided to pull their children from their schools, away from their friends and decided that they won't be making their communion and confirmation in light of it Make me the scape goat if ye will but I'm one of hundreds of thousands of parents within Ireland today who cannot stand organised religion, what it represents but also has my child in a Catholic school. Agreed it makes my hypocritical but I'm not going to allow my children to suffer up heavel because of what has gone on within the church. And just to add, at my nieces confirmation I think I was the only person in the church who didnt shake the hand of the bishop when I was meant to, turned my back and walked away and also didnt applaud him as he walked down the aisle at the end of the mass I believe in God, I don't believe in organised religion and the raping and molesting of children. In school my children learn about God which I think is a good thing..It's the paedophile priests and bishops I've a problem with, not my children learning about God
snuggles09 wrote: » The only reason any of mine were baptised and most recently made communion was to give them the option if they want to marry in a church in later life..
dayshah wrote: » ??? If you don't believe in organised religion fair enough. I've no problem with that. But why should anyone have the option of marrying in a church if they don't believe in it. Why not leave your children unbaptised, and then when they are old enough they can make their own decision. People can be baptised and make their first communion at any age. As for schooling, where do you think Muslim, Jewish, atheist and Protestant children go to school? They don't all have their own schools, even Protestants send their children to 'Catholic' schools if thats what is in their area. Plenty of national schools merely have a Bishop as a patron. A child doesn't have to be Catholic to go there. Maybe some parents (especially from mixed families) don't believe in a religion that their child is confirmed in. Fair enough. You don't have to kneel before anyone. But to turn your back on someone is just rude.
snuggles09 wrote: » well i dont have a time machine so cant go back and have them unbaptised but hand in heart i can say if i was starting over again i wouldnt have them baptised but whats done is done and i cant change it and do i feel bad for turning my back on a bishop who turned a blind eye to the rape and buggery of children? what do you think? yes i'm such a rude and terrible person:rolleyes:
dayshah wrote: » Then why go in the first place?
dayshah wrote: » You don't have to kneel before anyone. But to turn your back on someone is just rude.
snuggles09 wrote: » for my niece..what am i to do? refuse to be my god daughters sponsor? dont think so..on paper (or written here) then maybe yes thats what SHOULD be done but in reality we all just get on with it..i'm not in the minority by any stretch of the imagination..there are plenty of children who made their communion and confirmation this year who havent seen the inside of a church for the rest of the year
dayshah wrote: » Are you her god-mother? Do you know the role of the god-parents? I've absolutely no problem with people who dislike the church, but this is sheer hypocrisy.
deisemum wrote: » I've informed my sister that I will not be able to act as my godchild's sponsor at his confirmation in a couple of years.
Yes Boss wrote: » I believe at this stage they should be paying you to bring your child to the church!! Ask them how much is your patronage worth to them!!!;)
dolliemix wrote: » Some of the opinions here are so immature. There is a lot of work that goes on behind the scenes ...upkeep and maintenace of Church itself, electricty etc Giving 20 euro/50 euro/ not giving at all is fine. It is voluntary and you won't be forced to pay anything. But bringing up the abuse cases to refer to every single service that Church offers and suggesting that they should be offering all their services for free or pay people for participating is crazy!
Yes Boss wrote: » Depending on ones opinion!!
Spacedog wrote: » How about a recept for a donation to the rape crisis center?
Yes Boss wrote: » Do the Church pat tax on all that cash they collect?
deravarra wrote: » The "church" is a registered charity. In the case of wages, yes it must pay taxes - just like any registered charity.
Yes Boss wrote: » A charity is "a foundation created to promote the public good (not for assistance to any particular individuals)". The Church certainly does not fit that definition of what a charity should be!! A charity is "a kindly and lenient attitude towards people". They don't particularly fit that definition either!! A charity is "an activity or gift that benefits the public at large". Sorry, i just can't seem to put Church and Charity in the same sentence!!
deravarra wrote: » Perhaps not in your eyes, but the "church" is registered as a charity in this country, and many more across the world. I'd be a bit worried about it losing its charitable status considering the comments made here - in blissful ignorance about the financial reality that faces every man of the cloth. In this day and age, 50 for christening isnt much - and afaik, not 100% goes to the priest ... the bulk of it goes towards the "stipend" fees - paid back to the diocese so they can pay the priests. where do you think they get the money to pay the priest in the first place?
Yes Boss wrote: » From the wealthiest bank in the world - The Vatican!!
