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Has the Manchurian Candidate become a reality?
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03-06-2010 6:15pm#1
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TalkieWalkie wrote: »My thoughts are with the families of the victims.
An English Columbine. I put it down to mind control. The next move will be to disarm the public. People will be asked to hand over their weapons. Gun licensing will become much tighter for the public, while police will probably carry more arms.
Edit, just heard on the news... "should the licensing laws be changed ?"
Over there amongst other places along time ago.
If you feel these are a case of Manchurian pattern,the best place to start.Would be to look at the people who were killed.Who they are why it may be that one person would be needed to be assassinated, and rest just to create smoke screen.
I do think its possible that government agencies would commit such a crime,murdering others to make it look like a random person who went off his head.
R.I.P condolences to all their families and friends.Very sad
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I just wanted to know if you were basing all mind control and everything i said and hinted at with a fictional movie intitled the manchurian candidate.Yeah because a film about jessica fletcher using her kid as the assasin of her husbands presidental candidtate is insane.
Believe it or not sometimes things happen in movies that actually happen in reality.Sometimes they are based on true stories and fictionalised.
When i used the manchurian candidate example it was more for an aid or point of reference.An idea of what can be done with mind control.
I do not for example think a woman similar to this jessica fletcher and a child have gone through that exact scenario to kill a presidential candidate in real life.Im dissapointed you couldactually missunderstand me to that level its almost idiotic in itself if im being bluntly honest here.It nearly would insult me but it takes alot more
You must know i was using that as an example.And i tried to reaffirm this by referring others to another post on how exactly this technique is carried out on a human being in a studio setting.
I have also mentioned the Robert Kennnedy assassination i thought in this thread, i should not need to mention it again to bring home the reality of what im talking about.And to show i dont just mean a movie when i talk about manchurian candidate..i actually mean what that represents...aka what is popularised..through hollywood as a... manchurian candidate.
Maybe i am being too harsh and you really did take me literrally i know people who do that and if so im sorry if i come across bluntly in some parts.As it appears you look to be either taking me literally on the manchurian thing and connecting it only with a fictional movie or you have some other intention i dont understand yet but would be interested to know.0 -
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I just wanted to know if you were basing all mind control and everything i said and hinted at with a fictional movie intitled the manchurian candidate.
Believe it or not sometimes things happen in movies that actually happen in reality.Sometimes they are based on true stories and fictionalised.
Which is why the Core, 2012, The Day After Tomorrow, and Independence Day are all actually based on true events.
When i used the manchurian candidate example it was more for an aid or point of reference.An idea of what can be done with mind control.
Or it's a far fetched imaginative fictional leap of what can actually be achievedI do not for example think a woman similar to this jessica fletcher and a child have gone through that exact scenario to kill a presidential candidate in real life.Im dissapointed you couldactually missunderstand me to that level its almost idiotic in itself if im being bluntly honest here.It nearly would insult me but it takes alot more
No I was ridiculing you. You must have missed that subtext.You must know i was using that as an example.And i tried to reaffirm this by referring others to another post on how exactly this technique is carried out on a human being in a studio setting.
Studio setting? whut?I have also mentioned the Robert Kennnedy assassination i thought in this thread,
People try to read a deeper meaning into everything. RFK's assassination is a classic example. It's seems impossible to some people that an idiot like Sirhan Bishara Sirhan could have been capable of killing Kennedy. But before RFK's death presidential candidates didn't receive a secret service detail.
For example the venerable BBC corespondent Alistair Cook happened to be in the corridor when it happened.The Ambassador, a venerable hotel, miles away on Wiltshire Boulevard, was the Kennedy headquarters and that was the place to be. We took off and in the long driveway, lined up behind hundreds of cars containing all those sensible people who love a winner.
At last we got into the hotel lobbies and a tumult of singing, dancing, music and cheering. Guards and cops blocked the entrance to the ballroom and the passport and the birth certificate and, I believe, a personal recommendation from Senator Kennedy, could not have got you in. My own general press credentials were quite useless, and screaming at each other through the din of all those happy people, my companion and I decided the whole safari had been a mistake and we'd go home.
We turned and started down the corridor. On our left, about forty or fifty feet along, was another door and a pack of people trying and failing to get through it. There was a guard, and a young Kennedy staff man turning down everybody. The Kennedy man suddenly shouted over the bobbing heads "Mr. Cooke, come on, you can get in here."
So we were sandwiched or folded in through the mob and emerged as from a chute into an open place. A cool, almost empty room, a small private dining room of the hotel. It was fitted up as a small extra press room, and there were about half a dozen women telegraph operators, two newsmen I knew and half a dozen others, a radio man untangling cables and a photographer, and one or two middle aged women and a fat girl in a Kennedy straw hat, a young reporter in a beard, and I suppose his girl.
It was a perfect way through to the ballroom, for in between was a serving pantry that led through a passage right into the ballroom. "You don't want to get in there" - a friend of mine said - "it's - it's murder in there, and when Bobby gets through his speech, Pierro - Salinger - has promised us he'll come through into this room and talk with us" the Senator, that is. It was an unbelievable break, so we sat down and we had a drink and heard the telegraph girls tapping out copy and tried to hear the T.V. set in a corner that was turned up to an unbearable decibel level.
A few minutes later the commentators gave way to the ballroom scene and Bobby was up there with his ecstatic wife. And he was thanking everybody and saying things must change, and so on too Chicago. It was about eighteen minutes after midnight.
A few of us strolled over to the swinging doors that gave on to the pantry - they had no glass peepholes, but we'd soon hear the pleasant bustle of his coming through as the waiters and the coloured chef in his high hat, and a bus boy or two, waited to see him.
There was suddenly a banging repetition, of a sound that - I don't know how to describe - not at all like shots, like somebody dropping a rack of trays. Half a dozen of us were startled enough to charge through the door, and it had just happened. It was a narrow lane he had come through for there were long steam tables and somebody'd stacked up against them these trellis fences with artificial leaves stuck on 'em, that they use to fence the dance band off from the floor.
The only light was the blue light of three fluorescent tubes slotted in the ceiling. But it was a howling jungle of cries and obscenities and flying limbs and two enormous men - Roosevelt Greer, the football player, and Rafer Johnson I guess, the Olympic champion, piling on to a pair of blue jeans.
There was a head on the floor, streaming blood and somebody put a Kennedy boater under it and the blood trickled down like chocolate sauce on an ice cake. There were flash lights by now and the button eyes of Ethel Kennedy turned to cinders. She was slapping a young man and he was saying "Listen lady, I'm hurt too" - and down on the greasy floor was a huddle of clothes and staring out of it the face of Bobby Kennedy, like the stone face of a child, lying on a cathedral tomb.
I had and have no idea of the time of all this, or even of the event itself, for when I pattered back into the creamy, green genteel dining room I heard somebody cry "Kennedy - shot" and heard a girl moan "No, no, not again" - and my companion was fingering a cigarette package like a paralytic.
A dark woman nearby suddenly bounded to a table and beat it, and howled like a wolf, "Stinking country, no, no, no, no" - and another woman attacked the shadow of the placid T.V. commentators, who'd not yet got the news.
And then a minute maybe, or an hour later or a day, the cops and the burly Johnson shot through the swinging doors with their bundle, of the black curly head and the jeans, and I recall the tight, small behind and the limp head and a face totally dazed.
Well, the next morning when I saw and heard the Pope in his gentle, faltering English, I still could not believe that he was talking about this squalid, appalling scene in a hotel pantry, that I'd been a part of and would always be a part of.i should not need to mention it again to bring home the reality of what im talking about.And to show i dont just mean a movie when i talk about manchurian candidate..i actually mean what that represents...aka what is popularised..through hollywood as a... manchurian candidate.
Maybe i am being too harsh and you really did take me literrally i know people who do that and if so im sorry if i come across bluntly in some parts.As it appears you look to be either taking me literally on the manchurian thing and connecting it only with a fictional movie or you have some other intention i dont understand yet but would be interested to know.
As the above shows, people develop conspiracy theories about killing sprees because they lack the capacity to full comprehend the mindset of someone who wants to murder dozens of people. They want to find an encompassing theory that explains these horrific actions. There isn't one. It was an act of madness. These things happen. Accept it. Don't try to rationalise it and find a scape goat. These killing sprees are acts of madness by madmen.0 -
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For example the venerable BBC corespondent Alistair Cook happened to be in the corridor when it happened.
And another journalist was in the room when it happened
John Pilger heres what he has to say
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Pilger0 -
I dont care if Jesus Christ our lord and mighty saviour was standing holding his briefcase beside him.Well ok if jeses says somaybe il listen a tiny bit more..but only a bit mind!
Theres plenty of evidence peoplecan make other people do things...The thing you get caugth up on is free will.
You dont understand how nlp works if you say a statement like that.
You hear me speak of suggestion more often than mind control because that is nearly key to controlling a persons actions.They must believe they want to do it.Also if you bother to watch the DerrenBrown vid yuo will see he uses a negative thought to coerce her to do what he wants her to do.That is a form of control over her thoughts and actions via heavy suggestion and negative reaffirmation to cause the trigger to be more effective.
Really its all pretty simple to understand if you research it.
Get a book on nlp from the local library and you would see whati mean about how the mind works in relation to this.
Im actually taking Pixel8's post on left and right brains seriously to mind right now as i can see with every post you appear to focus on the exact topic without much diviation or wider scope taking in other related topics and incorperating them to a theory or idea.
This reminds me of the whole left right brain confliction so id like to stab a guess that you are mostly left brain dominant write with your right hand and kick with your right foot.Just a sporting guess as i enjoy to speculate on everything imaginable.
Myself i am right brain dominant but also ambidextrous so i guess i hold both functions well enough to an extent.
My point is maybe we are having conflicting ideologies for this reason alone.My abilities to see a wider scope might not be your strong point and your abilities to go indept and focus fully on one subject might not be my strong point.
I find it pretty intersting anyway and if yuo want to join in with me for fun the test is in this link
http://www.shamozzle.com/RightLeftBrainTest.html
Maybe this is the mystery behind the old stereo types of skeptics versus CT'ers.
Im willing to make a guesstimate that 80% of the ct population have dominant left brains while 80% of the skeptics as we call it have right brain dominance.
It appears we will otherwise be knocking heads on small issues thatcould otherwise be smoothed over with regards this topic.I like to meet people half way so im game if you are.
ps. I never said Derren Brown was good at what he does or that everything he does is real..he is a magician after all so lets be realistic about it.
I only base what i say from reading 2 or 3 books on nlp a good few on freud,carl jung and other random psychology topics and alot of research into how the mind works in relation to outside stimulus as much as i could find.Derren Brown i used as an example.A visual aid to show people who cannot fathom it by themselves and need further convincing its at all plausible.Really reading up on it like i have would give this effect and be much more convincing than a Derren Brown video,but these are the tools i find myself working with.0 -
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I think ive seen all the google video documentaries already that i can find.
I had only remembered id seen this one after the first 20 minutes lol
But i watched it again anyway as i researched some other stuff.
Its pretty interesting the whole group mind control thing.
I kind of got tired of looking at MKULTRA topics now because ive seen all the videos out there and read alot of documents about psychiatrists and LSD and cults involved with the CIA.
Its very in your face and after researching so much its more seen by me as well granted at this stage that this actually happened.
I tend to search more these days for the more subtle forms of mind control that effects alot more people.I think if i was to make a difference in the world researching the mass mind control would be more beneficial to the whole.
The whole manchurian candidate idea i believe happened without doubt.Its imaginable that one or two CT's related to this are a miss but for the most part i think based on what i have seen over the last few years its applicable in some cases.I couldnt possibly argue against that logically.
I guess i just really feel strong about subtle mind control because i have felt it used on myself only did not recognise it was a bad thing or that it was not a part of my natural self as it should be.
I embraced the deceptions that kept me under their influence,in a way i am sickened by how much people and myself were being lead like sheep and how easy it is to fall into the same trap with a different ideology.
This way of being is what i am most interested in.
The MKULTRA is like the hollywood version of the subtle stuff but in real life.
Its big its scary and its nearly and mostly unbelievable in many senses of the word
Whats even more unbelieveable is that we are under someones influence already as a nation on average.If your an average person reading this then its likely your are effected by some subtle form of mind control be it materialism or religious or whatever fad is going on in your life.Social suggestion is quite strong and demands we comply.
There are even organisations out there for non-compliers i bet!
Just to reaffirm what i mean when i say mind control in this post for futures sake.
When a person,entity,corperation,advertiser,religion,social group/ideology etc influences your decision making process in favour of its motives where you may not have otherwise chosen or decided to be motivated in that area.This is control of the mind imo.Its not the only form or way but where suggestion as appose to trauma is used i believe and think it is present in society mainly because this is exactly how humans function as a society socially and even individually sometimes as we have seen here.
The CIA,Project MKULTRA and many others like Derren Brown,Richard Bandler etc etc have learned and tried and tested means of utilizing this for their advantage be it morally right or wrong.0 -
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