Unlimited Midband with all the Limits (Voda)

drunkmonkey

All these Unlimted offers are starting to get a bit ridiculous, every single one of them has limits but this one takes the biscuit.
Vodafone has just launched an unlimited midband package for 24.99, It's a great price if it done what it says on the box.

One big problem, It's the most limited of all the unlimited offers' seen over the last few months, it's even a stretch to call it midband/broadband as it does not offer you full internet access like nearly every other internet service provider.

What's concerning is not only do you pay for your internet connection if you want to use services which are free on the internet you'r going to have to pay for them.

Vodafone's unlimited broadband won't allow you to use Skype??

In the T's & C's
"Calling over the internet (VoIP - Voice over Internet Protocol) and data sharing (Peer to Peer) is not supported by the Vodafone's Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff"

Are we entering a new era with the isp's are going to charge for what type of services or content we use on the internet. Will people soon be paying for Internet that won't include boards or you pay extra if you want to access facebook?

What's does everyone make of this?

watty

What is the Cap?

drunkmonkey

There's no cap, it just says Vodafone can terminate your connection if they think your abusing the term unlimited.

It's all a bit crazy that there breaking up the internet and deciding what services should be charged for, Are Vodafone from China?

watty

Of course there is a Cap. This is unexpected nonsense from Vodafone. The Cap is likely to be between 5G Byte to 30Gbyte.

This is unacceptable marketing. But Imagine appear to have started the present rush to break the English Language with their moderate 30Gbyte Cap described as "Unlimited".

drunkmonkey

watty wrote: »

Of course there is a Cap

It says unlimited, It does not mention any cap anywhere in the T's & C's

It's retarded midband. No Skype or any Voip, i've never seen internet like it.

Is it possible for an ISP if they choose, to charge access for different sites, could Eircom start charging for You Tube access if the mood hit them?

jamesjoyce

I guess we can speculate as to what limit vodafone will throttle usage. Anyone have any experience with this?could be 30gbs?

Our man in Havana

It should be called Vodafone Castrated Fraudband.

I got this like yesterday "Friday" and it's great. Theres no fair use cap on it. WOW voice chat is not voip in the books. Video chat is supported on some services without extra charges like aol apple ichat etc. Its good. I download alot of video "Not porn" and with iPad thats the only way to get iTunes Movie HD content in ireland as the computer store is SD. And peer to peer is mostly illegal unless your installing a blizzard patch you should turn off peer to peer in settings and use main servers. Oh and if you want voip and peer to peer buy data plus add on 20 euro extra a month. now unlimited broadband for 45 euro. I didn't get data plus though. Just unlimited data + Novatel mifi 2352

TVMANIAC2

I thought midband was unreliable, with high ping times etc? How can they provide a reliable VoIP service (I guess using Skype etc?) ?
I'm guessing they'd have to give the VoIP traffic the same priority as regular voice traffic to improve the ping time for the call.

@GeekOfComedy - Can you actually still use Skype with this in practice, or is the E20 extra actually needed?

TVMANIAC2

TVMANIAC2 wrote: »

I thought midband was unreliable, with high ping times etc? How can they provide a reliable VoIP service (I guess using Skype etc?) ?
I'm guessing they'd have to give the VoIP traffic the same priority as regular voice traffic to improve the ping time for the call.

@GeekOfComedy - Can you actually still use Skype with this in practice, or is the E20 extra actually needed?

You can use Skype chat but Skype calls get charged because like att in america they look at what sites you visit electronically and see where some bandwidth went so a Skype call protocol would be on the bill with 1500mb and they would see it belongs to Skype hence Skype call. I posted pics of my speeds which I get on my own home broadband 7mb eircom 60gb cap which is the first pic attachment and my vodafone mobile broadband which is the 2nd attachment

Our man in Havana

Theres no fair use cap on it.

Let us know when Vodafone contact you to tell you off for downloading too much.

Haddockman

Haddockman wrote: »

Let us know when Vodafone contact you to tell you off for downloading too much.

Ok but in terms and conditions it says no fair use limit I spoke to the manager

Our man in Havana

Means absolutely nothing. There is always a limit.

Haddockman

Haddockman wrote: »

Means absolutely nothing. There is always a limit.

Not really theres a difference between no fair use limit and constant clogging the network. You can use upto 1000gb once every second your not hogging the network for other people which I do not because I have main internet at home

TVMANIAC2

I mailed them yesterday and was assured there was no cap.

I don't believe that though! That said, if the cap were 15GB or 20GB, it would still be better than the 10GB cap at present - exceeding this at (2c / MB??) would allow you to download 250MB of data in excess of the cap for €25.

It's the Skype thing that bugs me - I've used my 10GB Vodafone to make free video calls on Skype in the past and it's worked fairly flawless. A short video call (10 - 15mins) didn't seem to use too much bandwidth. If they want to charge for this as a 'service' with no improvement on ping times etc, then this seems ridiculous. It's also likely they'd just use it as a testing ground for charging for other services in the future - like streaming from RTE player!

Anyone know if it's just the Skype protocol that's blocked? Is any SIP/SDP based voice/video apps blocked also?

TVMANIAC2

TVMANIAC2 wrote: »

I mailed them yesterday and was assured there was no cap.

I don't believe that though! That said, if the cap were 15GB or 20GB, it would still be better than the 10GB cap at present - exceeding this at (2c / MB??) would allow you to download 250MB of data in excess of the cap for €25.

It's the Skype thing that bugs me - I've used my 10GB Vodafone to make free video calls on Skype in the past and it's worked fairly flawless. A short video call (10 - 15mins) didn't seem to use too much bandwidth. If they want to charge for this as a 'service' with no improvement on ping times etc, then this seems ridiculous. It's also likely they'd just use it as a testing ground for charging for other services in the future - like streaming from RTE player!

Anyone know if it's just the Skype protocol that's blocked? Is any SIP/SDP based voice/video apps blocked also?

WOW voice chat isnt blocked so if all your friends play wow tell them to go to the same area in the realm and have a good ol chat. As far as I can tell apparently ustream isn't voice over internet protocol and iChat video conferencing isn't voip. If they make a T&C for streaming shows I'll cancel my contract not that I use RTE player nor TV3 player but if they start to do more limiting. ..... The 10GB vodafone skype shouldn't cost because you have limited GB. This is the Unlimited mobile broadband T&C. If you want full freedom of no cap I'd say get data plus add on for skype and Peer to peer and if you have good download in your area dump your LAN.

Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Terms and Conditions (post 20/5/10)
The following terms and conditions apply to use of the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband service and are in addition to and form part of the general customer terms and conditions of the Vodafone Ireland Limited ("Vodafone") that relate to the use of Vodafone mobile telecommunications services and, in particular, use of the Vodafone mobile connect card/data services. In the event of any conflict between these terms and conditions and the terms and conditions set out above these terms and conditions shall prevail in respect of the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Service.
Customers should note that the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff is only available to mobile data customers of Vodafone Ireland ("Customers") and allows Customers data usage services (subject to these terms and conditions) via their mobile phone account.
Existing Customers on Mobile Connect Card or the Unlimited Data tariff can migrate to the Vodafone Mobile Broadband tariff by contacting their account manager, phoning the business helpdesk on 1800 30 80 20 or calling into a Vodafone Retail store or accredited agent.
Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff shall be made available to the Customer from the next bill day following sign up.
Vodafone reserves the right to take such action as it considers reasonably necessary, including (but not limited to) suspending or terminating access to the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband service where Vodafone (as it in its sole discretion shall determine) considers that:
such action is in the Customer's best interests;
the Customer represents a credit risk to Vodafone;
a Customer's use of the service is or is potentially:
fraudulent or illegal; or
adversely affecting the Vodafone Network or other Vodafone customers' ability to use or access other Vodafone services provided using the Vodafone Network.
Vodafone reserves the right to control excessive data users on the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff without further notice to such Customers.
Vodafone reserves the right to withdraw the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff generally or from any particular Customer at any time and to vary or amend any element of the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff at any time without further notice. These terms and conditions may be varied or amended by Vodafone for any valid commercial technical or operational reason.
Calling over the internet (VoIP - Voice over Internet Protocol) and data sharing (Peer to Peer) is not supported by the Vodafone's Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff. If you want to use such services you should purchase the tailored add-on in this regard.
A Customer can only use Office, ISP and HS Access Point Names (APN’s) when using the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff. The use of the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Tariff through any other APN’s (including but not limited to WAP or Blackberry) will incur additional out of bundle charges (€1 per Mb).
Data Roaming is excluded from the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff.
The same return policy applies for new and 'As New' Modems.
If for any reason you wish to return your Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband modem to the store, you can do so within 7 days and receive a full refund. You will also receive a full refund of your first month's Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband payment and no termination charges will apply. Just remember that, in order to avail of this returns policy, the modem must not be faulty due to damage caused to it whilst in your possession and must be returned complete with proof of purchase, packaging, cables, software CD and user guide.

The bit I highlighted in black means that don't keep downloading torrents if you have data plus add on or hog the network. If you need to do heavy duty do it at night off peak hours when everyone is asleep. By excessive data users they don't mean downloading 30GB of content they mean you can download as much as you like but during day time don't watch HD 720p videos instead throttle down to 480p and around 9pm start watching in 720p and at 11pm 1080p etc

watty

We don't know WHAT they mean. It's opaque and basically misleading. They need to be honest and say what THEY regard as " excessive data".

It's absolutely not unlimited. Only 0.25Mbps continuous is 300G a month. So if you got 2.5Mbps youTube video, and the cap was really 30GByte (really really high for Mobile. 10G is excessive on Mobile if you want decent contention), then you could use only 36 minutes of video viewing a day.

TVMANIAC2

So if you're on the unlimited data package and you try a video call in skype they charge a fee in excess of €25/month or do they just block it altogether?

I can't see any mention of a VoIP add-on from their website either!

I'm not in a great area for the Vodafone service, but it's all that's available!

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TVMANIAC2

TVMANIAC2 wrote: »

So if you're on the unlimited data package and you try a video call in skype they charge a fee in excess of €25/month or do they just block it altogether?

I can't see any mention of a VoIP add-on from their website either!

I'm not in a great area for the Vodafone service, but it's all that's available!

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The voip add on is called data plus. Add the unlimited in a cart, choose a modem look at addons And I dunno about skype but different unheard of services are tended to be used as data download with upload at the same time. Not so much peer to peer but more less of a uploading a video and watching one at the same time type of scenario

watty wrote: »

We don't know WHAT they mean. It's opaque and basically misleading. They need to be honest and say what THEY regard as " excessive data".

It's absolutely not unlimited. Only 0.25Mbps continuous is 300G a month. So if you got 2.5Mbps youTube video, and the cap was really 30GByte (really really high for Mobile. 10G is excessive on Mobile if you want decent contention), then you could use only 36 minutes of video viewing a day.

even if the cap is 30GB thats fine for most users and if your a pro you already probably have a DSL/Cable installed at your house. Using 400GB is easy at home but in a car or on the go is harder because your out for some reason like holidays or conferences etc. When july 4th comes with my bill we'll see how much bandwith I used and how much money did i spend

drunkmonkey

If you don't have an add on and you use VOIP and P2P, what happens? Are you charged out of bundle?

This is not unlimited broadband, it's not even broadband and it's not even midband at the headline price.

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

If you don't have an add on and you use VOIP and P2P, what happens? Are you charged out of bundle?

This is not unlimited broadband, it's not even broadband and it's not even midband at the headline price.

I think it's out of bundle if not probably blocked off. I believe out of bundle as most companies want to make a grand out of 50mb LOL. I want to do a 10 second Skype call and wait for my bill, see what happens but frightened. I don't think I'd ever peer to peer with my mobile broadband. I'd just use mega video and after every episode reboot the modem and delete my cookies on a unused web browser. They can call it unlimited but once the advertisement notes T&C apply along with restrictions. Like my friends don't know what bit torrent is, just bearshare or something. Skype is a little stupid but most of my friends that have video cameras use macs and ichat.

jamesjoyce

Was in the vodafone shop on Saturday and asked the sales people what's the cap on usage. They had to ring up to head office but no one was available to give an answer. They are leaving a message and will get back on Tuesday when they reopen again. The person at the counter seems to think maybe about 60gb which is what their landline service is capped at but she couldn't say for certain. I think the service is too new for the moment for peoples usage to be throttled. Give it a few months and we"ll see how things shape up with more people signing up and getting the most out of thier "unlimited" connection. Anyone know if an app like sopcast is blocked under the €25 package? Is it classed under p2p? I like that you can get around not using Skype video calls instead with iChat/aol. Seems a fairly decent deal all things considered.

I heard this unlimited mobile broadband is a special offer which is why no cap so it only lasts until july i believe then they will only offer the 10GB.And with our population I don't believe more than 50,000 people would buy a unlimited data from Vodafone as 3 Kind of carries the flagship because they were kind of THE first at the scene. But when I phoned vodafone the sales talked to the manager. Unlimited buffet all you can eat or in this case download

TVMANIAC2

Deleted User wrote: »

I think it's out of bundle if not probably blocked off. I believe out of bundle as most companies want to make a grand out of 50mb LOL. I want to do a 10 second Skype call and wait for my bill, see what happens but frightened. I don't think I'd ever peer to peer with my mobile broadband. I'd just use mega video and after every episode reboot the modem and delete my cookies on a unused web browser. They can call it unlimited but once the advertisement notes T&C apply along with restrictions. Like my friends don't know what bit torrent is, just bearshare or something. Skype is a little ridiculas but most of my friends that have video cameras use macs and ichat.

The Vodafone site should show your usage and costs 2 days after using it. You don't have to wait for the bill! At least that's the way with my 10GB pay monthly setup

TVMANIAC2

TVMANIAC2 wrote: »

The Vodafone site should show your usage and costs 2 days after using it. You don't have to wait for the bill! At least that's the way with my 10GB pay monthly setup

How. when i log into my vodafone. What do I click on. Heres my option' check attachement 1. Check the 2nd attachment for what I found.

TVMANIAC2

'Check used minutes and texts' populates with usage details and charges - but only 2 days after you've clocked on the usage.

If you got it on the 4th, it should start appearing today or maybe tomorrow for the 4th.

jamesjoyce

If the unlimited deal is only a special offer then it's really good, can't see usage being throttled after June if everyone one else is on a 10gb cap.

jamesjoyce

jamesjoyce wrote: »

If the unlimited deal is only a special offer then it's really good, can't see usage being throttled after June if everyone one else is on a 10gb cap.

Yes go to T&C of unlimited mobile broadband data on vodafone mobile broadband section where it shows it's under special offer column. And

'Check used minutes and texts' populates with usage details and charges - but only 2 days after you've clocked on the usage.

If you got it on the 4th, it should start appearing today or maybe tomorrow for the 4th.

I clicked it, check attachment 2 on previous post. I have to try a pay go 02 modem then I can make mobile broadand all ireland show down

Our man in Havana

jamesjoyce wrote: »

Was in the vodafone shop on Saturday and asked the sales people what's the cap on usage. They had to ring up to head office but no one was available to give an answer. They are leaving a message and will get back on Tuesday when they reopen again. The person at the counter seems to think maybe about 60gb which is what their landline service is capped at but she couldn't say for certain. I think the service is too new for the moment for peoples usage to be throttled. Give it a few months and we"ll see how things shape up with more people signing up and getting the most out of thier "unlimited" connection. Anyone know if an app like sopcast is blocked under the €25 package? Is it classed under p2p? I like that you can get around not using Skype video calls instead with iChat/aol. Seems a fairly decent deal all things considered.

This is going to end up like IOL Surf no limits all over again where they had to send cease and desist letters to many of its customers for hogging the service all the time.

This will not end well. Mark my words.

Haddockman

Haddockman wrote: »

This is going to end up like IOL Surf no limits all over again where they had to send cease and desist letters to many of its customers for hogging the service all the time.

This will not end well. Mark my words.

If they throttle down I have a right to cancel my contract as I'm paying for a service I don't want.

Our man in Havana

I wish you the very best of luck trying to cancel under those circumstances.

Haddockman

Haddockman wrote: »

I wish you the very best of luck trying to cancel under those circumstances.

Thanks but it's legal because why pay for something i didn't commit to. I never committed to 10GB. I committed to paying €25 for unlimited data. Plus since the offer ends in July not everyone will have the plan and if people do most don't go over 15GB and it's vodafone. The biggest gun in the department of cell phones. Plus if they do get rid of unlimited then let me quote

"Under Regulation 17 of the European Communities (electronic communications networks and services)(Universal Service and Users’ rights) Regulations 2003 an operator shall, not less than one month prior to the date of implementation of any proposed modification, notify its subscribers to that service of the proposed modification in the conditions of the contract for that service, and their right to withdraw without penalty from such contract if they do not accept the modification."

So basically if they ditch the plan I'm allowed to leave them.

jamesjoyce

I think it's pretty stupid if vodafone came up with a promotions idea of unlimited plan on "3g broadband" product and then didn't expect those people who signed up to get close to decent sized lineland cap out of this service. We"ll see anyways, I'll probably sign up on Tuesday when stores reopen.

Our man in Havana

Deleted User wrote: »

Thanks but it's legal because why pay for something i didn't commit to. I never committed to 10GB. I committed to paying €25 for unlimited data. Plus since the offer ends in July not everyone will have the plan and if people do most don't go over 15GB and it's vodafone. The biggest gun in the department of cell phones. Plus if they do get rid of unlimited then let me quote

So basically if they ditch the plan I'm allowed to leave them.

You will end up arguing this out in front of a judge. There is no way VF will roll over and let you walk away from the contract.

Something similar happened on o2 where they changed the terms and conditions regarding them censoring certain websites. They did not allow anyone to cancel.

watty

Deleted User wrote: »

even if the cap is 30GB thats fine for most users and if your a pro you already probably have a DSL/Cable installed at your house. Using 400GB is easy at home but in a car or on the go is harder because your out for some reason like holidays or conferences etc. When july 4th comes with my bill we'll see how much bandwith I used and how much money did i spend

I agree 10G or 30G or whatever cap might be fine. That's not the point. The point is they suggest they are selling an unlimited package:
1) This is lunacy on Mobile. Would result in dialup speeds unless almost no-one has the package.
2) Their T&C make it quite clear that THEY decide what is reasonable traffic. That is NOT unlimited.

One of the most honest Mobile providers now has the weasel T&C, that verges on downright dishonest. Obviously there IS a traffic limit, but they are refusing to call it a cap, (That is what a "cap" is, a traffic limit to prevent a user or group of users causing excess contention/congestion to the network).

The point is that if the ASAI or Comreg was proactive such a claim would be impossible. As would Imagine's redefinition of English language where "unlimited" means only time and traffic limit is 30Gbyte. Which is an oblique time limit as that is only 30min to 60min video a day and then your internet is "used up".

watty

Deleted User wrote: »

If they throttle down I have a right to cancel my contract as I'm paying for a service I don't want.

No you don't. Their T&C have an implied secret Cap. They can throttle or disconnect at ANY level of traffic they want.

watty

watty wrote: »

No you don't. Their T&C have an implied secret Cap. They can throttle or disconnect at ANY level of traffic they want.

Were not talking about secret cap. If Vodafone decides the unlimited data plan is too much and want to bring people back to 10gb they have to say this publicly as were paying 25 bucks for 20 euro deal they need to give us a 30 day heads up and the option to end our contract. Just wait for tuesday for another vodafone person to say theres no fair use limit on it.

watty

Vodafone reserves the right to take such action as it considers reasonably necessary, including (but not limited to) suspending or terminating access to the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband service where Vodafone (as it in its sole discretion shall determine) considers that:
such action is in the Customer's best interests;
the Customer represents a credit risk to Vodafone;
a Customer's use of the service is or is potentially:
fraudulent or illegal;
or adversely affecting the Vodafone Network or other Vodafone customers' ability to use or access other Vodafone services provided using the Vodafone Network.
Vodafone reserves the right to control excessive data users on the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff without further notice to such Customers.
Vodafone reserves the right to withdraw the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff generally or from any particular Customer at any time and to vary or amend any element of the Vodafone Unlimited Mobile Broadband Tariff at any time without further notice.

What part of that don't you understand? If you sign up to this, they can limit your data at any level they desire. There obviously is an implied secret cap too.
They can put you on your old tariff without notice or do anything almost. Three times at least they say you are agreeing to having ZERO notice. "At any time" doesn't mean 30 days. ""Without further notice" doesn't mean 30 days.

They can call it "unlimited" till cows come home, They can claim there is no Fair Use limit till blue in face.
The ONLY "unlimited" is in the name of the package.
It's a typical "FUP" so called "Fair Use Policy" in all but name. Typical obfuscation of what the real limits are. Over two years ago this sort of contract and advertising was supposed to stop. Unfortunately it's all perfectly legal. Just misleading.

Even last August 2009 Comreg & ASAI talked about it again. And did nothing!
http://irelandoffline.org/2009/08/a-broadband-code-of-conduct-for-ireland/

watty

watty wrote: »

What part of that don't you understand? If you sign up to this, they can limit your data at any level they desire. There obviously is an implied secret cap too.
They can put you on your old tariff without notice.

I never had an old tariff. And they put you on it if you adversely affecting the Vodafone Network or control excessive data. Anyhow my contract ends in 2012 jan.

EDIT: I read and understand. Lets pray

drunkmonkey

Deleted User wrote: »

Were not talking about secret cap. Vodafone decides the unlimited data plan .

It's not unlimited, the minute they put in the clause of no VOIP or P2P it became retarded fraudband. Your do not have an internet connection like 99.99% of the country would consider a data plan to be, How you entered a contract until 2012 on those conditions is beyond me. They might as well have thrown in some KY Jelly with the contract because one thing is for certain your going to get jockeyed somewhere along the line.

The amount of websites that fall under P2P architecture would surprise you, I think your already using some of them and you don't even know it. P2P does not have to mean something you download to your computer, Watching a Video feed over the internet is also P2P.

drunkmonkey

drunkmonkey wrote: »

It's not unlimited, the minute they put in the clause of no VOIP or P2P it became retarded fraudband. Your do not have an internet connection like 99.99% of the country would consider a data plan to be, How you entered a contract until 2012 on those conditions is beyond me. They might as well have thrown in some KY Jelly with the contract because one thing is for certain your going to get jockeyed somewhere along the line.

The amount of websites that fall under P2P architecture would surprise you, I think your already using some of them and you don't even know it. P2P does not have to mean something you download to your computer, Watching a Video feed over the internet is also P2P.

I know what P2P is. I know what sites use it and everything. But on the road I only use iTunes rental, Megavideo, Youtube and other normal websites. I'm content to use this compared to 3s pay go version for 10gb for 25 bucks so if i get 1gb more for the same price. I'm all for it.

Honda08

Haddockman wrote: »

You will end up arguing this out in front of a judge. There is no way VF will roll over and let you walk away from the contract.

Something similar happened on o2 where they changed the terms and conditions regarding them censoring certain websites. They did not allow anyone to cancel.

sorry to correct you. but they did on the QT.

those who kicked up a fuss were allowed to cancel.

Our man in Havana

The auld goodwill gesture.

Honda08

Honda08 wrote: »

sorry to correct you. but they did on the QT.

those who kicked up a fuss were allowed to cancel.

I'll kick up a fuss. Talk on the radio, make a big thing. The go to idea.

Bill avaliable to look at online. Not being charged atm. I even had a small audio chat convo in world of warcraft

Our man in Havana

So what excatly do they classify as p2p/VOIP?

Torrents? Youtube? Skype?

Haddockman

Haddockman wrote: »

So what excatly do they classify as p2p/VOIP?

Torrents? Youtube? Skype?

Skype and torrents. They can look at sites you visited and things that take up mb so skype call protocol would be like 15mb or something and a torrent would be like 350mb spreaded out to different servers within one file Youtube isn't counted obviously

jamesjoyce

I take it they don't charge for downloading from file sharing sites like rapidshare and megaupload?

jamesjoyce

jamesjoyce wrote: »

I take it they don't charge for downloading from file sharing sites like rapidshare and megaupload?

Rapidshare you upload files to their servers, same with megaupload. I did watch an episode of 24 on megavideo too. That counts like youtube

jamesjoyce

Deleted User wrote: »

Rapidshare you upload files to their servers, same with megaupload. I did watch an episode of 24 on megavideo too. That counts like youtube

So you're saying they count rapidshare as p2p even if you only download? I thought it was just plain http file downloading maybe they classify it differently

jamesjoyce

jamesjoyce wrote: »

So you're saying they count rapidshare as p2p even if you only download? I thought it was just plain http file downloading maybe they classify it differently

No rapidshare isnt nor is megaupload. Because when you upload things there it goes to their single/multi servers or when you download you download from one place so thats not P2P