joe calzaghe - not respected in the states

eagle eye

angry_bob wrote: »

Don't know how you work that one out. I previously stated that Robinson had several warm-up non-title bouts in preparation for Turpin.

So you don't think that Robinson wasn't in the best condition he could be after all these fights a short time before he fought Turpin?

And if you rate Turpin so highly then you must rate Jean Stock even higher because he beat Turpin, or Albert Finch who also beat Turpin.

One victory does not make a fighter great. Robinson lost lots of fights but he fought and beat all the best and thats why he is rated so highly.

Tbh I don't have the slightest clue about Turpin but just looking at his record he lost to guys that weren't that great so I don't know how on earth you could rate him so highly.

angry_bob

eagle eye wrote: »

So you don't think that Robinson wasn't in the best condition he could be after all these fights a short time before he fought Turpin?

And if you rate Turpin so highly then you must rate Jean Stock even higher because he beat Turpin, or Albert Finch who also beat Turpin.

One victory does not make a fighter great. Robinson lost lots of fights but he fought and beat all the best and thats why he is rated so highly.

Tbh I don't have the slightest clue about Turpin but just looking at his record he lost to guys that weren't that great so I don't know how on earth you could rate him so highly.

If you actually read my first post in this thread, nowhere do I state I rate Turpin so highly. What I stated was that him defeating a boxing legend was a greater feat than anything Calzaghe has done.
Both fighters you mention beat Turpin early in his career, both defeats were reversed before he beat Sugar Ray.
Finch went on to win the British Middleweight title, no mean achhievement, and Stock went on to win the French Middleweight title, so neither were mugs.

Vintagekits

angry_bob wrote: »

Don't know how you work that one out. I previously stated that Robinson had several warm-up non-title bouts in preparation for Turpin.

they werent warm up fights for Turpin - Turpin was to be just to be another notch on his bedpost, Robinson probably never even heard of Turpin until the day before the fight. Turpin fought the fight of his life but when Robinson took their next fight serious we all saw who was the real deal.

angry_bob

Vintagekits wrote: »

they werent warm up fights for Turpin - Turpin was to be just to be another notch on his bedpost, Robinson probably never even heard of Turpin until the day before the fight. Turpin fought the fight of his life but when Robinson took their next fight serious we all saw who was the real deal.

So, Vintage, how do you know this, were you privvy to the Robinson camp?
You are obviously deluded if you think that Robinson had not heard of the European Champion. Why then, was Turpin the only title fight he had?
Did he just decide that he would give the Englishman a title match, when he didn't to any of the continentals? Don't think so.
Sure Robinson stopped him in the 10th in the rematch in Ny, and Turpin states that he had never been hit so hard, and that he suffered blurred vision for the remainder of his life.
No-one who has any inkling about boxing would regard Turpin as a stepping stone, or a notch.
Please stop being an idiot, and let this thread get back on topic.

walshb

Bob, calling people idiots doesn't at all help to get threads
back on topic, so please, leave it out.

BTW, you do sound angry.

angry_bob

walshb wrote: »

Bob, calling people idiots doesn't at all help to get threads
back on topic, so please, leave it out.

BTW, you do sound angry.

Noted

whaaames

So Anyway....

Any takers on Joe coming out of retirement...??
I'd back it if there were a market for it...!

http://www.boxingscene.com/forums/showthread.php?t=387716

- Interesting -

walshb

**** me, a return fight would be worse than their first bore fest. Ridiculous.

nacho libre

if he must come back - i really hope he doesn't, though, - fight Dawson or Bute. if he were to beat either of those then some of the views expressed in this thread might be revised.

if he is coming back to fight Hopkins it can only be for money and the spotlight. which would show he doesn't listen to his father, who is dead against him coming back for these reasons

whaaames

I never fully bought into Joe's retirement, even at the time i always felt he'll be back and always felt it'd be a big money meaningless fight like a rematch with Hopkins or Jones...

But i genuinely hope he stays retired, he wont do himself any favours by taking another fight with Hopkins and he'll never be the same fighter without his father in his corner...!!

cowzerp

whaaames wrote: »

But i genuinely hope he stays retired, he wont do himself any favours by taking another fight with Hopkins and he'll never be the same fighter without his father in his corner...!!

Hopkins will be even easier than he was last time, its a good chance for joe to beat him wiothout any question marks over it, personally i think its a waste of time legacy wise, there is other fighters that would improve his legacy to fight though..

If i was him i'd stay retired

whaaames

Thats what im saying, another handy win over a beaten opponent will do him no favours, nothing for his legacy,..

walshb

cowzerp wrote: »

Hopkins will be even easier than he was last time, its a good chance for joe to beat him wiothout any question marks over it, personally i think its a waste of time legacy wise, there is other fighters that would improve his legacy to fight though..

If i was him i'd stay retired

Their first fight was very close, but surely the fact that Joe has been inactive and "living the life" for the past 18 months would see the more active and conditioned Hopkins having the best chance? Hop always stays in shape remember. Joe would have to train real hard just to get in shape, not even the shape he was in April 2008. Similar to Hatton, the biggest obstacle for these two is the training to get ready for a fight

cowzerp

walshb wrote: »

Their first fight was very close, but surely the fact that Joe has been inactive and "living the life" for the past 18 months would see the more active and conditioned Hopkins having the best chance? Hop always stays in shape remember. Joe would have to train real hard just to get in shape, not even the shape he was in April 2008. Similar to Hatton, the biggest obstacle for these two is the training to get ready for a fight

Nah, thats 18 months of rest for joe, Hopkins has been ageing bad since then, its not like he is 18 months improved, fitness is the only issue here and joe with 2 months solid training would be fully fit, maybe not sharp as he could be but sharper than BHOP.

He could actually get beat for 8 rounds and still win as BHOP will tire bad after that

whaaames

cowzerp wrote: »

Nah, thats 18 months of rest for joe, Hopkins has been ageing bad since then, its not like he is 18 months improved, fitness is the only issue here and joe with 2 months solid training would be fully fit, maybe not sharp as he could be but sharper than BHOP.

He could actually get beat for 8 rounds and still win as BHOP will tire bad after that

Age is an awful this isn't it...

I'd have to agree, Joe not doing anything for 18 months would still have a better chance than a 45 year old hopkins,..

nacho libre

http://www.boxingscene.com/?m=show&id=28278

that looks to be it so as regards a comeback.

whaaames

Im glad, really i am, how many failed comebacks have we seen and said 'wish he had've stayed retired'

Altho im surprised because i never really thought he'd actually stay retired...

walshb

Joe has nothing to prove, he has done it all....