Why is cannabis still illegal?

kjl

Hi boardies,

So here is the deal. I dont drink, but I do smoke cannabis. For me it's relaxing and a great way to unwind. I work hard, I eat very healty, I work out 3-4 times a week. I went for a check up last week and the doctor told me I was in very good shape and had no underlining symtoms of any harm being done to me.

I supose the reason I a writing this post is that I am sick of the ****ing hipocacy that is in this country. Any time I go out, all I see is fat drunken bafoons. Any time I walk down the street I see some wino falling over the place looking for a change to spend on booze. Everyone I know drinks much more that the recomended amount, and the binge drinking epidemic has got 10x worse in the last few years.

So alcohol is clearly killing this country and it's good people, but some how, I'm the criminal. In order to feed my vise I have to meet up with some doggie person, and then try to eyeball the quality of the product I am getting and get ripped off. If I get caught with the product on me, I am the one who gets in trouble.

I get snide looks from people when I tell them I smoke weed, like they are better than me because they don't, meanwhile they are sitting there with BMI's of about 30 necking down another "pint" like there is nothing wrong with it.

Alcohol is the most dangerous drug of all, its kills 100,000 people a year from poisoning alone, that is excluding all the road accidents and violent incidences.

I'm a good person, am I not entitled to my vise? Why can't Ireland be a little bit progressive and actually abolish this ridiculous law. Millions of studies have shown that regular use of cannabis is harmless, so why is it still ****ing illegal? I understand all the history of how it became illegal, but why is it still illegal. Disregarding all the medical benefits, if its my body, can I not chose what I put in it?

The funniest thing is people all over the world still smoke it, nothing is going to change that. No matter the legal status, it is still smoked the world over in record numbers. Everybody thinks it's a stupid law, so why is it being enforced?

I'm not saying we should ban alcohol, in fact as a sober person I quite enjoy the company of drunk people on a night out, but what I am saying is quite the hypocrisy already. Either ban everything, or ban nothing.

Would love to hear your opinions people, especially ones that say it should remain illegal

Daemos

/bangs head on table

fizzynicenice

I agree with you on all this.
But this thread will go nowhere, just as its 1000's of ancestors have.

Kasabian

Did the doc do a drugs test , I hear ginger biscuits are good for giving a false reading just don't dip them in your tea first.



Drugs are for losers <

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I said it.


Where's that spoon?

El Weirdo

kjl wrote: »

In order to feed my vise I have to meet up with some doggie person...

What, like a member of the Kennel Club?

Bonito

Because it's not legal?

Not legal = Illegal.

Simples.

Spunge

MY BROTHER DIED AFTER OVERDOSING ON MARIJUANA

He was invited by the "cool kids" to hang out at some kids house whose liberal parents had left for the weekend.

My brother, always a moral and thoughtful individual, wanted to attend because it was one of those massive house parties that he'd never been to.

Well, as was later recalled by some of his friends at the party, he was pressured into smoking marijuana. He ended up smoking the entire pack of marijuana cigarettes.

Not long after he went into convulsions and started foaming at the mouth. The people at the party held back calling 9/11 for almost 10 minutes.

When the paramedics finally arrived they could do nothing to save him.

The autopsy revealed he had 3 times the lethal dosage of THC in his blood.

But I'm sure everyone here will deny my story and the fact that my brother died after smoking that illegal narcotic.

AARRRGH

In my experience, people who smoke hash on a daily basis, e.g. couple of joints a day, have emotional problems and are self medicating. So you may be physically fit, but how's your head?

/Don't know you, just throwing the question out there

Rigardo

Bill Hicks said it all before but no one will listen. If the government made it legal and started taxing it we'd be out of this recession in no time. That said I don't think we get an awful lot done if we were all going around stoned

H1tmonlii

tl;dr

Weed should be legal. End of.

Riddle101

I'd rather see Cocaine be made legal then Cannabis. It's only the morons who snort too much that end up going down that dark road. J/K

But seriously, it's more of an exception then the government being hyporcritcal. I'm sure the government are well aware of the dangers of alcohol and such, but if it's just enough to please the majority of people then it's good enough to keep legal.

As for legalising cannabis, well I wouldn't be against it if they decided to make it legal but i'm not too bothered if they keep it illegal.

Kasabian

Riddle101 wrote: »

I'd rather see Cocaine be made legal then Cannabis. It's only the morons who snort too much that end up going down that dark road. J/K

But seriously, it's more of an exception then the government being hyporcritcal. I'm sure the government are well aware of the dangers of alcohol and such, but if it's just enough to please the majority of people then it's good enough to keep legal.

I really wish I had the energy to debate that with you , but i really can't be bothered :pac:

TerrorFirmer

I guess that all comes back to - he could have easily been pressured to indulge heavily in legal substances, like spirits. Alcohol kills far more people than weed ever could...but that's legal.

By the way, based on someones story above above their brother dying from THC - eh, as far as I was aware, there's never been recorded in history as having died from THC. The amount required would be astronomical - as in like, about several grands worth of joints.

Junco Partner

AARRRGH wrote: »

In my experience, people who smoke hash on a daily basis, e.g. couple of joints a day, have emotional problems and are self medicating. So you may be physically fit, but how's your head?

/Don't know you, just throwing the question out there

and alchohol doesnt cause dependency, depression and mental illness? no?

Kasabian

Has anyone ever died from TLC ?

kjl

Rigardo wrote: »

Bill Hicks said it all before but no one will listen. If the government made it legal and started taxing it we'd be out of this recession in no time. That said I don't think we get an awful lot done if we were all going around stoned

unlike us all going around drunk?

TerrorFirmer

Kasabian wrote: »

Has anyone ever died from TLC ?

I didn't think so. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be possible unless you like.... threw 10,000 euros worth of it into an open fire funneled into your mouth....

AARRRGH

f0ggy92 wrote: »

and alchohol doesnt cause dependency, depression and mental illness? no?

I never said it doesn't.

The fact that alcohol is legal is a non-argument when it comes to legalising another narcotic.

Hank_Jones

Drugs, including weed,hash, affect different people differently.
Hash and weed are known to bring on paranoia in certain people and can lead to mental illness.
Alcohol is more of a depressant and I don't think really affects the mind as much.

If I'm honest about it, I would say that we as people should probably steer clear of all of that kind of thing.
I don't think our bodies are made the consumption of these things.
Cigarettes etc included.

Kasabian

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

I didn't think so. I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be possible unless you like.... threw 10,000 euros worth of it into an open fire funneled into your mouth....

You'd get some amount of TLC for 10K

TerrorFirmer

In summary, enormous doses of Delta 9 THC, All THC and concentrated marihuana extract ingested by mouth were unable to produce death or organ pathology in large mammals but did produce fatalities in smaller rodents due to profound central nervous system depression.

The non-fatal consumption of 3000 mg/kg A THC by the dog and monkey would be comparable to a 154-pound human eating approximately 46 pounds (21 kilograms) of 1%-marihuana or 10 pounds of 5% hashish at one time. In addition, 92 mg/kg THC intravenously produced no fatalities in monkeys. These doses would be comparable to a 154-pound human smoking at one time almost three pounds (1.28 kg) of 1%-marihuana or 250,000 times the usual smoked dose and over a million times the minimal effective dose assuming 50% destruction of the THC by smoking.

Thus, evidence from animal studies and human case reports appears to indicate that the ratio of lethal dose to effective dose is quite large. This ratio is much more favorable than that of many other common psychoactive agents including alcohol and barbiturates (Phillips et al. 1971, Brill et al. 1970).

El Weirdo

Kasabian wrote: »

Has anyone ever died from TLC ?

Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes.

kjl

AARRRGH wrote: »

I never said it doesn't.

The fact that alcohol is legal is a non-argument when it comes to legalising another narcotic.

Why not? It's called precedence

Junco Partner

it's probably a tax thing as with poteen but if they legalise it and tax it and regulate it i cant see any problem but hey this is the same government who are banning all the legal headshops and allowing the scum dealers to make a mint off poor quality stuff with all manner of crap mixed with it

kjl

Kasabian wrote: »

You'd get some amount of TLC for 10K

You know its THC right?

Judging by the time of this thread the OP was watching South Park.

AARRRGH

kjl wrote: »

Why not? It's called precedence

No, it's called "two wrongs don't make a right".

Alcohol is very bad for society.

Kasabian

El Weirdo wrote: »

Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes.

At least someone is keeping up

amiable

kjl wrote: »

Why not? It's called precedence

I'm afraid thats not precedence

Kasabian

kjl wrote: »

You know its THC right?

Yes but I didn't ask about that

murraymarmalade

Kasabian wrote: »

You'd get some amount of TLC for 10K

sorry.......but what is tlc?

El Weirdo

Kasabian wrote: »

At least someone is keeping up

Wouldn't mind, but I'm baked off me tits.

Kasabian

murraymarmalade wrote: »

sorry.......but what is tlc?

Tender Loving Care

kjl

murraymarmalade wrote: »

sorry.......but what is tlc?

tender loving care.

Pauleta

Its absolutely crazy that in our current economic state that something relatively safe that could be taxed highly and would increase tourism isnt legal. All the money that leaves the country through shopping in Newry could be recouped multiple times by people from the North coming down for Cannabis.

Kasabian

El Weirdo wrote: »

Wouldn't mind, but I'm baked off me tits.

All the more commendable , well done sir :pac:

StormWarrior

I read this thread title as "Why is cannibalism still illegal?"

amiable

StormWarrior wrote: »

I read this thread title as "Why is cannibalism still illegal?"

Silly, that was legalised last week

AARRRGH

StormWarrior wrote: »

I read this thread title as "Why is cannibalism still illegal?"

Would you like some potatoes with your roast cock, sir?

murraymarmalade

kjl wrote: »

tender loving care.

really? sarcastic rolly f...king eyes

El Weirdo

StormWarrior wrote: »

I read this thread title as "Why is cannibalism still illegal?"

Sure go ahead and post as if it does say that. At least it'll break up the standard pro/anti cannabis legalisation arguments that we've all been through a thousand times in here.

StormWarrior

ok, well I think cannibalism should be legalised if both parties are consenting. Remember the story in the news of the bloke who advertised for someone who wanted to be eaten, and someone actually responded? He allowed himself to be killed and eaten, and when the killer was in court they asked him, Why did you eat him?" And the killer replied, "Because KFC was closed at the time."

Kasabian

Ì'd love a KFC now , fcuking imaginary munchies. Maybe I'll call round and eat one of my mates. Not in a good way for him.

starbelgrade

Kasabian wrote: »

You'd get some amount of TLC for 10K

F*cking right you would - she'd love you long time.

Kasabian

starbelgrade wrote: »

F*cking right you would - she'd love you long time.

10K in Vietnam jeez they'd suck the marrow from your bones

W.Shakes-Beer

El Weirdo wrote: »

Lisa "Left Eye" Lopes.

Hangin' out the passenger side of her best friends ride.... apparently.

kjl

W.Shakes-Beer wrote: »

Hangin' out the passenger side of her best friends ride.... apparently.

trying to hollar at me.

mrDerek

the earth is over populated legalise everything.

Calibos

Looks like the lethal dose of THC is higher than the lethal dose of chocolate. It takes 22Lb of chocolate to ingest enough theobromine in chocolate to kill the average sized man. Chocolate is not safe for dogs or smaller animals because their tolerance to theobromine is lower and the lethal dose is actually quite possible for the animal to eat in one go. ie a half decent sized box of milk tray is enough to kill a jack russel, a single smartie is enough to kill a blackbird.

Lets ban chocolate incase some moron takes the lethal dose.

Suprised at some of the people giving thanks to the obviously made up scaremongering brother story or did I miss the fact that it was satirical? THC didn't do him in, getting so stoned he choked on his own vomit did. Should we ban alchohol because of all the drunks that got legless and choked on their own vomit or fell and cracker their skull open?

starbelgrade

Calibos wrote: »

Looks like the lethal dose of THC is higher than the lethal dose of chocolate. It takes 22Lb of chocolate to ingest enough theobromine in chocolate to kill the average sized man. Chocolate is not safe for dogs or smaller animals because their tolerance to theobromine is lower and the lethal dose is actually quite possible for the animal to eat in one go. ie a half decent sized box of milk tray is enough to kill a jack russel, a single smartie is enough to kill a blackbird.

Lets ban chocolate incase some moron takes the lethal dose.

Suprised at some of the people giving thanks to the obviously made up scaremongering brother story or did I miss the fact that it was satirical? THC didn't do him in, getting so stoned he choked on his own vomit did. Should we ban alchohol because of all the drunks that got legless and choked on their own vomit or fell and cracker their skull open?

Don't be silly. It was obviously a true story.

refusetolose

f0ggy92 wrote: »

it's probably a tax thing as with poteen but if they legalise it and tax it and regulate it i cant see any problem but hey this is the same government who are banning all the legal headshops and allowing the scum dealers to make a mint off poor quality stuff with all manner of crap mixed with it

the stuff in the headshops is good then is it?