Welfare fraudsters

ruthies

I know we have our own welfare fraudsters and they should imo opinion be cut off when they do it.But in actual fact they are given leave to keep their money and pay a tenner a week or something like that. Shouldn't it be cut off and tell them get a job and get lost?
What about non nationals?
I had heard of some of the scams been carried out here in Ireland and also in UK but i didn't realise how easy it was:eek:

People are actually selling their pps numbers to non Eu nationals and they are claiming in two different place under two different names at a time and working also.
I saw it on prime time but cant find the link:(

For our own nationals prison time or cut all benefits for non nationals who do that shouldn't they not be deported? And for any crime?And those who actually sell their pps numbers shouldn't they be banned from returning to Ireland and charged?

One woman had defrauded a hundred and thirty thousand from the state:eek:

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Could have sworn we only done this last week...

DEATH TO ALL WELFARE RECIPIENTS...*



*I can do this now that I have a job, right?

Crann na Beatha

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Princess Consuela Bananahammock

Pearl Sticky Flannel wrote: »

DEATH TO ALL WELFARE RECIPIENTS...*



*I can do this now that I have a job, right?

Yes, technically, but if you lsoe your job you have to kill yourself. Tis only fair.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Yes, technically, but if you lsoe your job you have to kill yourself. Tis only fair.

Damn...

segaBOY

Obaraten wrote: »

Deyyyyyyyyy tooooook arrrrrrrrr dole:mad:

A fine AH response. :rolleyes:

ruthies

Obaraten wrote: »

Deyyyyyyyyy tooooook arrrrrrrrr dole:mad:

Children allowance is also taken

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NOdPbPPUKlc&feature=related

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KggxvELE42k&feature=related


Its crazy :mad:

Can yous see them links cause i cant?

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ruthies wrote: »

I know we have our own welfare fraudsters

I call mine "Fluffy."

segaBOY

ruthies wrote: »

Children allowance is also taken

Its crazy :mad:

FYP

PCPhoto

segaBOY wrote: »

FYP

thats over 11mins of video .... we know they exist but theres nothing being done ...I'm not watching the videos out !!

Ideally anyone with criminal convictions = no dole, no help from the state if you are contributing to its demise

(OK - Criminal Conviction in the last 5yrs - to stop liberal pr1cks and their ..... "but what if they turned their lives around" sh1te)

personally - the entire judicial system needs an overhaul - as does the public sector, HSE, Dail/Oireachtas, taxi regulation, gardai/legal procedures.... we have a choice of change the way the country is run or accept we live in a faulty system and slowly block/stop/punish those using/abusing the loopholes.

Degsy

Obaraten wrote: »

Deyyyyyyyyy tooooook arrrrrrrrr dole:mad:

Thanks whore post fail.

theboxer

Thanks for the Youtube clip, OP. That Nigerian lady scammed 130,000 large off the Irish taxpayer.:eek:

When asked if she plans to pay the cash back, she says "How can I?".

By getting a f*cking job. Thats how.

Why are these dole cheats still in my country? They should be deported, with haste.

Degsy

theboxer wrote: »

Why are these dole cheats still in my country? They should be deported, with haste.

You know how expensive it is to deport these people..why shoudl the taxpayer pay for that too?
Lock them up and make them work the plane fare home..swinging a pickaxe or sewing mailbags..a few years of that and THEN deport them.
These shysters are terrified of doing a days work.

Nodin

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Yes, technically, but if you lsoe your job you have to kill yourself. Tis only fair.

Sure that would be thinking things through in a rational manner, like some Scandanavian weirdo. This is Ireland. Get with the program.

Mr Benevolent

Don't most employed people think that all dole recipients are fraudsters?

I'm a dole recipient btw.

ruthies

Degsy wrote: »

You know how expensive it is to deport these people..why shoudl the taxpayer pay for that too?
Lock them up and make them work the plane fare home..swinging a pickaxe or sewing mailbags..a few years of that and THEN deport them.
These shysters are terrified of doing a days work.

But Degsy you are going to pay for them in prison then also they get money when they get out and we are over flowing and will have no where to put our own criminals and they are free to do it again.Breathe
So in long run deportation costs less;)

segaBOY

Confab wrote: »

Don't most employed people think that all dole recipients are fraudsters?

I don't.

theboxer

Degsy wrote: »

You know how expensive it is to deport these people.

90 large, I believe. Then you have to bribe the customs officials to take them back.

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/ireland/article6396134.ece

ruthies

Confab wrote: »

Don't most employed people think that all dole recipients are fraudsters?

NO!!!!!

Degsy

ruthies wrote: »

But Degsy you are going to pay for them in prison then also they get money when they get out and we are over flowing and will have no where to put our own criminals and they are free to do it again.Breathe
So in long run deportation costs less;)

Not if you make the bastards work for thier upkeep..for example..break 40 cubic metres of rock per day in return for a bowl of soup.
No work,no soup!
Oh yeah and regular beatings.

theboxer

Degsy wrote: »

Oh yeah and regular beatings.

Sweet Jesus.

Degsy

theboxer wrote: »

Sweet Jesus.

Now these are regular beatings..not to be associated with righteous beatings when they actually do something wrong.

Thoushaltnot

Correct me if I'm wrong but the PPS (RSI) number that you use to make a welfare claim is the same PPS (RSI) number that you use for paying Tax/notifying the Revenue when you get a job, so your PRSI, etc. can be collected and recorded.

The same, unique number.

I mean, how hard can it be to link up the 2 databases (welfare and taxation) and at least catch some of them?

Sure, if you have one number for welfare and you've bought/rented another for work, you'd need another system to catch you out, but c'mon!

Mr Benevolent

Thoushaltnot wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but the PPS (RSI) number that you use to make a welfare claim is the same PPS (RSI) number that you use for paying Tax/notifying the Revenue when you get a job, so your PRSI, etc. can be collected and recorded.

The same, unique number.

I mean, how hard can it be to link up the 2 databases (welfare and taxation) and at least catch some of them?

Sure, if you have one number for welfare and you've bought/rented another for work, you'd need another system to catch you out, but c'mon!

Most dole fraudsters are paid under the counter.

theboxer

Confab wrote: »

Most dole fraudsters are paid under the counter.

Huh?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Confab wrote: »

Don't most employed people think that all dole recipients are fraudsters?

I'm a dole recipient btw.

Ah, saying most would be a bit much I think, but many in AH do think that

Degsy wrote: »

Not if you make the bastards work for thier upkeep..for example..break 40 cubic metres of rock per day in return for a bowl of soup.
No work,no soup!
Oh yeah and regular beatings.

Only problem with that degsy is the PC brigade getting in the way... Human rights and all that shíte. Surely I have the right to not get screwed over, no?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

theboxer wrote: »

Huh?

Cash in hand, like nixers and the like. They don't pay tax and thus are undetectable.

Degsy

Pearl Sticky Flannel wrote: »

Only problem with that degsy is the PC brigade getting in the way... Human rights and all that shíte

Bunch of communists..if i had my way they'd be breaking rocks alongside thier beloved welfare cheats.

Thoushaltnot

Well, then we'd just catch the ones that are paid legitimately, with that. There were a few of them in those videos.

Remember a few years back, when gardai were stopping motorists, checking for dolesters on their way to work? That system could have freed up a few gardai for catching other criminals.

von Smallhausen

Confab wrote: »

Most dole fraudsters are paid under the counter.

theboxer wrote: »

Huh?

They are being paid cash in hand, no tax involved. I would say a lot of employers do it but I wouldn't know the exact number or estimated one for that matter.

theboxer

Degsy wrote: »

Bunch of communists..if i had my way they'd be breaking rocks alongside thier beloved welfare cheats.

When are we carrying out an ould kristallnacht on the dole cheats, mein fuhrer?

Mr Benevolent

theboxer wrote: »

When are we carrying out an ould kristallnacht on the dole cheats, mein fuhrer?

Right after we invoke Godwin's law.

PCPhoto

Thoushaltnot wrote: »

Correct me if I'm wrong but the PPS (RSI) number that you use to make a welfare claim is the same PPS (RSI) number that you use for paying Tax/notifying the Revenue when you get a job, so your PRSI, etc. can be collected and recorded.

The same, unique number.

I mean, how hard can it be to link up the 2 databases (welfare and taxation) and at least catch some of them?

Sure, if you have one number for welfare and you've bought/rented another for work, you'd need another system to catch you out, but c'mon!

that would be like the government doing something right !!!

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theboxer wrote: »

Sweet Jesus.

Got a problem?

Thoushaltnot

So long as they get someone who knows a bit about computers and databases, rather than the shower behind the HSE computer system fiasco!

Degsy

theboxer wrote: »

When are we carrying out an ould kristallnacht on the dole cheats, mein fuhrer?

As soon as the namby pamby,left-wing,hippies and urine-reeking crusties keep thier dole-scrounging arses out of politics and let the country be run properly.

Kivaro

theboxer wrote: »

Thanks for the Youtube clip, OP. That Nigerian lady scammed 130,000 large off the Irish taxpayer.:eek:

When asked if she plans to pay the cash back, she says "How can I?".

By getting a f*cking job. Thats how.

Why are these dole cheats still in my country? They should be deported, with haste.

It's amazin' how the usual suspects are quiet when evidence like the YouTube clips are presented. Generally, there is the accusation of "Racist' and 'StormTrooper' if you dare bring up such issues, or 'Sur, aren't the Irish doing it?' (which isn't relevant to the OP's original question).

My name is URL

Degsy wrote: »

As soon as the namby pamby,left-wing,hippies and urine-reeking crusties keep thier dole-scrounging arses out of politics and let the country be run properly.

Aren't you a civil servant? Running the country properly would mean getting shut of a fairly large number of you lot

Degsy

My name is URL wrote: »

Aren't you a civil servant? Running the country properly would mean getting shut of a fairly large number of you lot

I have a job,my taxes go towards keeping the bums on the dole in cigarettes and patchouli oil.

My name is URL

Degsy wrote: »

my taxes go towards keeping the bums on the dole in cigarettes and patchouli oil.

And who's responsible for letting it happen.. The Public Sector workers who are failing at their job

Degsy

My name is URL wrote: »

And who's responsible for letting it happen.. The Public Sector workers who are failing at their job

Really?
Not the people who sit around at home all day waiting for a 40k job in IT to be dropped in thier laps?
If it wasnt for the public sector there's be no tax revenue at all to pay the poxy dole..the workshy professional students would have to get off thier arses and get a job then.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

We all get it, everybodies at fault but those working in the private sector, right? Wrong...

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Degsy wrote: »

Really?
Not the people who sit around at home all day waiting for a 40k job in IT to be dropped in thier laps?
If it wasnt for the public sector there's be no tax revenue at all to pay the poxy dole..the workshy professional students would have to get off thier arses and get a job then.

You know better than that, where are these jobs to come from Degsy? They don't exist for everyone, only a lucky portion will land jobs these days. Until that problem is fixed, people will be on social welfare if they want to be or not.

BickNarry

Pearl Sticky Flannel wrote: »

Surely I have the right to not get screwed over, no?

Positive right- the right to something. (education etc.)
Negative right- the right from something.(torture etc.)

Logicaly the right to social welfare comes before the "right" not to be decieved.

Most people bang on bout the number of welfare fraudsters when the number is actually quite quite low. And as in any system it equates for a certain level of this. However, we don't have the safety gaurds to keep the number low where it is only those who invest a living into fraud who are difficult to catch.

Give them no job-turn to crime.

And welfare is an institution for most except in time of recession.

Degsy

Pearl Sticky Flannel wrote: »

We all get it, everybodies at fault but those working in the private sector, right? Wrong...

Correct,everybody knows that the construction industry and the banks are publuic sector enterprises.

My name is URL

Degsy wrote: »

Really?
Not the people who sit around at home all day waiting for a 40k job in IT to be dropped in thier laps?
If it wasnt for the public sector there's be no tax revenue at all to pay the poxy dole..the workshy professional students would have to get off thier arses and get a job then.

They must have had jobs to pay their way through college, I'm sure not all of their parents payed for them. Those sitting around waiting for a job to fall into their laps are the reason why a different approach should be taken by the DSW, there's too many pen pushers and not enough people out and about making sure people are looking for work

Degsy

My name is URL wrote: »

They must have had jobs to pay their way through college, I'm sure not all of their parents payed for them

In a lot of cases the parents paid for everything.

segaBOY

Confab wrote: »

Most dole fraudsters are paid under the counter.

Some people also get two PPS numbers and claim the dole with one while working with the other. Dealt with in the Prime Time video AFAIK.

I really don't care if you're Irish or foreign, if you are fraudulently claiming Social Welfare you should be dealt with severly (i.e. inprisonment and any subsequent payments being withdrawn/severly reduced as a punishment).

The nationaltiy of the person is irrelevant.

Thoushaltnot

segaBOY wrote: »

Some people also get two PPS numbers and claim the dole with one while working with the other. Dealt with in the Prime Time video AFAIK.

Right, then you link the databases on 1. name and 2. address (& possibly 3. date of birth).

Anybody with the same name and address on both systems warrants a closer look - it could be a legitimate father and son (and maybe granddad too, if 3 names turn up at the address) or it could be a big coincidence or it could point to a scam, especially if the D.O.B is the same.

If the scammer keeps one PPS at the Mam's house and the other PPS at the Dad's house, it's more work but still do-able.

AckwelFoley

Clearly the finest solution to this problem is to kill all students that fail to get a taxpaying job in this country within 2 weeks of finishing their education.

We could then sell their organs on to worthy taxpayers that are waiting on them... getting them back working quicker and recouping some of the cost of their education.


Seriously.. this is win..all win

segaBOY

Thoushaltnot wrote: »

Right, then you link the databases on 1. name and 2. address (& possibly 3. date of birth).

Anybody with the same name and address on both systems warrants a closer look - it could be a legitimate father and son (and maybe granddad too, if 3 names turn up at the address) or it could be a big coincidence or it could point to a scam, especially if the D.O.B is the same.

If the scammer keeps one PPS at the Mam's house and the other PPS at the Dad's house, it's more work but still do-able.

Watch the video, the middle aged Irish reporter manages to walk in and get a new PPS number without any problems. Something is severely wrong.