new rifle licence

declan1980

i've been asked to call in to speak to my local super intendent about a licence for a new .223
one of the lads in my gun club said this could be because i've already got a .17hmr, and a shotgun, and my father also has a shotgun and that he could be trying to get me to get rid of the hmr before he gives me the new licence.
i was just wondering if he can do this. the guy in the gunshop says he can't but i would like to hear it from someone who isn't making money from me, if you catch my drift

endasmail

he may be looking for an explanation as to why ya want a .223 as well as a .17hmr
he might be wondering what can the .223 do that the .17hmr cant
just a guess though
what district ya in?

Tackleberrywho

endasmail wrote: »

he may be looking for an explanation as to why ya want a .223 as well as a .17hmr
he might be wondering what can the .223 do that the .17hmr cant
just a guess though
what district ya in?

Sounds like you hit the nail on the head.
.223 is for the foxes and .17 for Bunnies.
Use effective range etc for foxes on cal versus the other.
Don't bluff.
Tell it like it is.
He might just want to see you and check out you are sane.
Don't worry about it.

Cass

declan1980 wrote: »

............. and that he could be trying to get me to get rid of the hmr before he gives me the new licence.
i was just wondering if he can do this. ...........

He cannot "make" you get rid of any firearm. If your sane, fit to possess and meet all the security requirements, etc, etc then there is no valid reason for him to refuse the license.

This does not mean he cannot/will not/ may not try.

My advice, as with so many other things, is to go prepared. Do not walk in with your hands in your pockets and spill off a load of verbal facts/details from memory. Have some paperwork with you. The difference between the calibers. The effectiveness of the .223 compared to the .17hmr. The safety of firing the .17hmr at short distances compared to the .223. In other words safe and purposely meant shot placement. The humane factor of fox culling. Cleanly dispatching at longer ranges with the .223 as oppose to the "limited" long range factor of the .17hmr.

These are but a few. You will know more yourself. Main point is do not arrive without everything you need. Better to have something and not need it, than need it and not have it (with you).

Best of luck.

Tackleberrywho

ezridax wrote: »

He cannot "make" you get rid of any firearm. If your sane, fit to possess and meet all the security requirements, etc, etc then there is no valid reason for him to refuse the license.

This does not mean he cannot/will not/ may not try.

My advice, as with so many other things, is to go prepared. Do not walk in with your hands in your pockets and spill off a load of verbal facts/details from memory. Have some paperwork with you. The difference between the calibers. The effectiveness of the .223 compared to the .17hmr. The safety of firing the .17hmr at short distances compared to the .223. In other words safe and purposely meant shot placement. The humane factor of fox culling. Cleanly dispatching at longer ranges with the .223 as oppose to the "limited" long range factor of the .17hmr.

These are but a few. You will know more yourself. Main point is do not arrive without everything you need. Better to have something and not need it, than need it and not have it (with you).

Best of luck.

They also like to hear that you are SAFE and that you are not a nutter. So don't say you eat sleep and drink guns

Cass

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

They also like to hear that you are SAFE and that you are not a nutter.

Already covered.

ezridax wrote:

If your sane, fit to possess and meet all the security requirements, etc, etc............

Tackleberrywho

ezridax wrote: »

Already covered.

Well I was only making sure he was listening to you

Tackleberrywho

endasmail wrote: »

he may be looking for an explanation as to why ya want a .223 as well as a .17hmr
he might be wondering what can the .223 do that the .17hmr cant
just a guess though
what district ya in?

Quote from Einstein
if you can't explain it simply, you don't really understand it!
Tell him in simple words. one rifle for bunnies up close and fox up close.

One for longer range in bigger fields.

That's fairly simple, and While you are at it ask for a moderator licence because you have a prime opportunity.
Explain that a bullet still makes a Whip crack going through the air if it breaks the sound barrier.
So a moderator only gets rid of the noise that may frighten sheep/cattle or horses in neighboring fields or just annoy people with noise pollution.

declan1980

ezridax wrote: »

He cannot "make" you get rid of any firearm. If your sane, fit to possess and meet all the security requirements, etc, etc then there is no valid reason for him to refuse the license.

This does not mean he cannot/will not/ may not try.

My advice, as with so many other things, is to go prepared. Do not walk in with your hands in your pockets and spill off a load of verbal facts/details from memory. Have some paperwork with you. The difference between the calibers. The effectiveness of the .223 compared to the .17hmr. The safety of firing the .17hmr at short distances compared to the .223. In other words safe and purposely meant shot placement. The humane factor of fox culling. Cleanly dispatching at longer ranges with the .223 as oppose to the "limited" long range factor of the .17hmr.

These are but a few. You will know more yourself. Main point is do not arrive without everything you need. Better to have something and not need it, than need it and not have it (with you).

Best of luck.

i explained these things to the garda who deals with the licencing forms. i told him that the .17hmr was'nt an effective round against foxes outside 75-80 yards and that the .223 was the best choice for the job. i also explained that the .223 was too powerful to use on rabbits as it would just destroy them, and since they are such a small target it is safer to use the .17hmr at shorter ranges especially as the bullets for the hmr are totally "absorbed" by the bunny when they are hit.
so if i explain these things to the super will that do? i was also thinking of bringing a spent hmr case to show how small the bullet really is, in order to emphasise the humane aspect of the situation
another question though. what kind of paperwork will i want to bring in with me?
if i go in with a load of ballistic data relating to each caliber won't i just look like a nutter who loves guns a little too much, or is there any other suitable info out there that would be appropriate?

declan1980

Tackleberrywho wrote: »

.... While you are at it ask for a moderator licence because you have a prime opportunity.
Explain that a bullet still makes a Whip crack going through the air if it breaks the sound barrier.
So a moderator only gets rid of the noise that may frighten sheep/cattle or horses in neighboring fields or just annoy people with noise pollution.

i already have this gone in on an extra sheet of paper attached to the licence application except i put that i need it to prevent against hearing loss aswell as the noise pollution and risk of startling animals.
thanks anyway though:)

Tackleberrywho

declan1980 wrote: »

i already have this gone in on an extra sheet of paper attached to the licence application except i put that i need it to prevent against hearing loss aswell as the noise pollution and risk of startling animals.
thanks anyway though:)

Hearing protection he will say wear ear muffs! Lads already have heard same reply. Use it for the hearing protection of others not you.

Print of energy table for both rounds.
Don't show it but use it to reference if you are asked to prove.

Tackleberrywho

declan1980 wrote: »

i explained these things to the garda who deals with the licencing forms. i told him that the .17hmr was'nt an effective round against foxes outside 75-80 yards and that the .223 was the best choice for the job. i also explained that the .223 was too powerful to use on rabbits as it would just destroy them, and since they are such a small target it is safer to use the .17hmr at shorter ranges especially as the bullets for the hmr are totally "absorbed" by the bunny when they are hit.
so if i explain these things to the super will that do? i was also thinking of bringing a spent hmr case to show how small the bullet really is, in order to emphasise the humane aspect of the situation
another question though. what kind of paperwork will i want to bring in with me?
if i go in with a load of ballistic data relating to each caliber won't i just look like a nutter who loves guns a little too much, or is there any other suitable info out there that would be appropriate?

Don't bring in a case as you can't compare it against anything.
Bring in a picture of both rounds taken in your RFD's if needs must.
energy tables should be enough just print out 100 and 200 yards and show the difference.
My interview asked me questions about all types of shooting that were not related directly to what I was applying for only that it was another firearm.

Cass

declan1980 wrote: »

.............so if i explain these things to the super will that do?....................another question though. what kind of paperwork will i want to bring in with me? ..................if i go in with a load of ballistic data relating to each caliber won't i just look like a nutter who loves guns a little too much, or is there any other suitable info out there that would be appropriate?

You don't need to bring in every piece of data related to every firearm. Just what YOU think is relevant to YOUR scenario.

Don't baffle with bulls**t, but don't give vague answers. Bring copies of the paperwork you previously supplied so you both are reading from the same Hymn sheet. Explain your case simply and concisely, but have paperwork to back up any claim you make regarding the advantages of one caliber in relation to the other.

Have a list of your security set-up. Alarm, locks, safes, etc. People with access to your firearms. It will be a fairly comprehensive talk. It will focus on all aspects of all your firearms with a small portion of the talk dedicated to your new application.

I wouldn't get yourself too worried about it. I know thats easier said than done, but honestly i think some Supers have a decision before you walk in and just want to speak to the person as they cannot get a read of someone from ink on an application.

bunny shooter

IMHO the Gardai are either under instructions or have decided themselves to limit the number of firearm in circulation. My Super has previously told me in person during a meeting that he will not licence any more than 4 to me. The legislation says there is no upper limit once you can justify why you want each one BUT as we have seen some of An Garda Síochana do not care what the legislation says. My Super also has some sort of mental block against .223's :rolleyes:

People, including myself have found out that what you "should" be allowed have, even according to "The Guidelines", and what your Super/C Super says you can have can be entirely different :mad:

This is all part of a concerted effort to discourage people from applying for firearms and/or more firearms. No matter what reasons you give him/her they have petty excuses not to agree with you despite their ****e being thrown out of court. I was told he had no problem with my character but that in his opinion I had too many firearms despite me being a member of 2 x game clubs and an authorised range with a gun safe & monitored alarm system installed in my home and approved by my local CPO. :rolleyes:

As the lads said go in be polite and explain your case. Then hope. Other than that you'll need approx €2000 - €3000 to get "justice"

Good luck