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Not trying to be offensive, however, many/most of the posters in this thread have totally missed my point. Also, I did not want to condescendingly ask anyone if they were still in secondary school or an undergrad. Fortunately, they have answered the question themselves.Nick Dolan wrote: »as coincidence would have it Im one exam away from completing a second Second year at college. To be honest im really looking forward to not having to shove stuff into my brain for a few weeks.
Nick, we understand, not a problem, your quotes are what is expected at this level. We will not ask you to put much more into your head. We will ask for less to come out - just kidding. Good luck with your second second year -Third times a charm!:D - just kidding.Johnny_Coyle wrote: »Wrong. You cannot test a theory. You cannot reproduce a theory. That's why scientists call it a theory.
Other theories that are limited in outcome say by our technology or understanding, may be proven in time.Capt'n Midnight wrote: »A theory cannot be proved, it can only be disproved.
Gallileo insisted that he be allowed to teach his theory as fact without proof. The controversy that followed I am sure you have heard, at least one side at of.
Later on, by direct observation, measurement, and tests, it would be shown that that Gallileo's theory was correct. His theory was proven.
Some theories can be proven, others, especially when it comes to a one time past even, like the big bang or evolution, will never be proven.
I think a few people need to "read up."Capt'n Midnight wrote: »Learn about electron shells, S,P,D and then about hybridisation
At this juncture, I can no longer say that you are missing the point but trying to avoid it.
There is atomic theory. The electrons are modeled in orbitals and give the atom its "shape'. The shape is NOT DEFINITE. We model the object to better understand and teach it. These are not definite shapes but a probabilistic model of theoretical objects.Capt'n Midnight wrote: »two points
Read up on Maxwell, you can calculate the speed of light without measuring it.
To which equation are you referring - Ampere's, Faraday...? I will assume you are going to a crossed fields example. You may not need direct measurement of light, but measurements are needed. That is the point - something was measured. To get v = E/B you have to now measure two things. More measurements = more error. More error because of the inherent inaccuracy of measuring.
If you disagree with the OP that you can measure c without making any measurements whatsoever, please provide a link/experiment.
Actually, never mind. I read your link as shown below. One question - did you?Capt'n Midnight wrote: »Capt'n Midnight wrote: »... individual atoms have been visualised by electron microscope.
Again, do you understand that it is impossible to see an atom? They may be visualized, but not seen. What filled shells are shown in your link, the I, B, or M shell?
Perhaps, djpBarry would care to comment on Capt'n's quotes. I find myself agreeing with dj's quotes, however, I think you missed the point that I was trying to make.Capt'n Midnight wrote: »Every physicist knows F=ma is wrong.0 -
Not trying to be offensive, however, many/most of the posters in this thread have totally missed my point. Also, I did not want to condescendingly ask anyone if they were still in secondary school or an undergrad. Fortunately, they have answered the question themselves.
Nick, we understand, not a problem, your quotes are what is expected at this level. We will not ask you to put much more into your head. We will ask for less to come out - just kidding. Good luck with your second second year -Third times a charm!:D - just kidding.
Both sneaky and very condescending. What comes out of my head is better than what comes out of your head0 -
Point of clarification: some theories can be tested, others cannot. Big bang and evolution will always remain as theories as they are past events. Those events cannot be reproduced or observed. Thus, I agree, that these theories cannot be tested or reproduced.Once upon a man named Gallileo believed that the solar system was not geocentric but heliocentric. Gallileo had a theory, based upon experimental data and wanted to teach his findings in Catholic Learning Institutions. As you probably have not heard, the Church said you CAN teach this, but only as a theory, unless you have proof.
Gallileo insisted that he be allowed to teach his theory as fact without proof. The controversy that followed I am sure you have heard, at least one side at of.
Later on, by direct observation, measurement, and tests, it would be shown that that Gallileo's theory was correct. His theory was proven.0 -
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Not trying to be offensive, however, many/most of the posters in this thread have totally missed my point. Also, I did not want to condescendingly ask anyone if they were still in secondary school or an undergrad. Fortunately, they have answered the question themselves.Johny, did you really mean this in the general sense? Point of clarification: some theories can be tested, others cannot. Big bang and evolution will always remain as theories as they are past events. Those events cannot be reproduced or observed. Thus, I agree, that these theories cannot be tested or reproduced.
If the observations don't match predictions then you have to modify the theory. ( excluding observational error of course )
This means that the theory of the big band and evolution will be dropped if someone finds some compelling counter evidence.Other theories that are limited in outcome say by our technology or understanding, may be proven in time.Later on, by direct observation, measurement, and tests, it would be shown that that Gallileo's theory was correct. His theory was proven.
Some theories can be proven, others, especially when it comes to a one time past even, like the big bang or evolution, will never be proven.
I think a few people need to "read up."
You have shown that you still don't understand or wish to use the correct meaning of the word theory in science.0 -
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Not trying to be offensive,At this juncture, I can no longer say that you are missing the point but trying to avoid it.
There is atomic theory. The electrons are modeled in orbitals and give the atom its "shape'. The shape is NOT DEFINITE. We model the object to better understand and teach it. These are not definite shapes but a probabilistic model of theoretical objects.To which equation are you referring - Ampere's, Faraday...? I will assume you are going to a crossed fields example. You may not need direct measurement of light, but measurements are needed. That is the point - something was measured. To get v = E/B you have to now measure two things. More measurements = more error. More error because of the inherent inaccuracy of measuring.
If you disagree with the OP that you can measure c without making any measurements whatsoever, please provide a link/experiment.Again, do you understand that it is impossible to see an atom? They may be visualized, but not seen. What filled shells are shown in your link, the I, B, or M shell?
There is a saying that you should never argue with idiots because they will drag you down to their level and beat you with experience. Whatever about that, science has no room for dishonesty. Neither has this Forum.0 -
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