And where is the wine?

enda1

Berwick wrote: »

Sorry.

I had to learn first what the accepted style of posting is here:




I am sorry, I cannot keep up with this style.

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FYI: I come from a wine-growing country, and all my ancestors habe grown and made wine for centuries.

So I was under the false impression, that wine might be a subject worth talking about.

Now in this thread I have learned 3 things:

1. Wine is not worth talking about.

2. There is red wine and there is white wine and that is all there is to it.

3. You should not contradict people here, especially if they sing the praise of beer.

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I stand corrected.

I will stop posting here.

Hey Mr. Berwick, I tried!

Come back and lets talk about wine and not beer.
I found that wine I was talking about on winesdirect.ie

Check it out!

Unfortunately the price in Ireland is quite high, €18.92 a bottle

Try it out though and gimme your feedback if you please!

Where are you from and where did/do your family grow wine?

guildofevil

I am getting pretty sick of the martyr attitude you are putting forward here berwick. You were the one who mentioned beer first, in your very first post. You didn't actually start a discussion about wine, you started with a complaint that there isn't enough discussion about wine and too much discussion about beer.

The next few replies you got were positive about discussing wine but no one seemed to know how to begin, until enda1 made an effort by posting details of a wine he likes. It actually looked like the thread was going well, with several posts about wine.

What sent this thread south was you berwick.

the_beer_revolution had the temerity to disagree with a post by MattKane which amounted to "wine is more complex than other drinks". He has every right to do that if he disagrees and he made his point in a clam an rational manner.

You disagreed with him, as is your right, but you brought no evidence to the table. You could have argued wines case. You could have used the generations of wine making and appreciation you are so proud of to educate the poor misguided beer geek, but you didn't. Instead you fanned the flames by simply stating that

berwick wrote:

Wine is about 100.000.000.000.000. times more diverse than beer might ever be.

I'm surprised you didn't end it with “So there! :P”

Are you really surprised people responded? Are you really surprised there was an argument?

The rest of your posts (apart from a single point about German grape varieties) were just complaining about beer and people who like beer.

You accused the beer enthusiasts of ruining everyone's fun, when it was you who turned what might have been a calm aside in an ongoing discussion about wine, into an argument. That discussion included beer enthusiasts who also like wine.

After your childish “Wine is hundred billion times better! :P” post you spent most of your time either whining about the fact that the thread had gone OT and blaming others (even though you were the one who derailed it) or accusing people who, unlike you, were actually backing up their opinions with evidence, of being closed minded. Maybe if you actually tried to change their minds?

Eventually, thanks to people calming down and you getting a little talking to by a mod, the thread went back to talking about wine, but you couldn't have that. Could you? You had to derail the thread again.

Wine Guy, Mr Magnolia, enda1, the_beer_revolution and Murphyt have all made efforts to set the argument aside and talk about wine, but you won't let them.

Berwick. If you want to talk about wine. Talk about wine. If you don't, then stop whining and let others get on with it.

726courtown

guildofevil wrote: »

I am getting pretty sick of the martyr attitude you are putting forward here berwick. You were the one who mentioned beer first, in your very first post. You didn't actually start a discussion about wine, you started with a complaint that there isn't enough discussion about wine and too much discussion about beer.

The next few replies you got were positive about discussing wine but no one seemed to know how to begin, until enda1 made an effort by posting details of a wine he likes. It actually looked like the thread was going well, with several posts about wine.

What sent this thread south was you berwick.

the_beer_revolution had the temerity to disagree with a post by MattKane which amounted to "wine is more complex than other drinks". He has every right to do that if he disagrees and he made his point in a clam an rational manner.

You disagreed with him, as is your right, but you brought no evidence to the table. You could have argued wines case. You could have used the generations of wine making and appreciation you are so proud of to educate the poor misguided beer geek, but you didn't. Instead you fanned the flames by simply stating that I'm surprised you didn't end it with “So there! :P”

Are you really surprised people responded? Are you really surprised there was an argument?

The rest of your posts (apart from a single point about German grape varieties) were just complaining about beer and people who like beer.

You accused the beer enthusiasts of ruining everyone's fun, when it was you who turned what might have been a calm aside in an ongoing discussion about wine, into an argument. That discussion included beer enthusiasts who also like wine.

After your childish “Wine is hundred billion times better! :P” post you spent most of your time either whining about the fact that the thread had gone OT and blaming others (even though you were the one who derailed it) or accusing people who, unlike you, were actually backing up their opinions with evidence, of being closed minded. Maybe if you actually tried to change their minds?

Eventually, thanks to people calming down and you getting a little talking to by a mod, the thread went back to talking about wine, but you couldn't have that. Could you? You had to derail the thread again.

Wine Guy, Mr Magnolia, enda1, the_beer_revolution and Murphyt have all made efforts to set the argument aside and talk about wine, but you won't let them.

Berwick. If you want to talk about wine. Talk about wine. If you don't, then stop whining and let others get on with it.

Jeez, go easy on the guy, can this be an end to all this petty, childish slagging and lets start discussing what we are here for....WINE.
I am just starting to gain some real knowledge about wine so would like to see some posters favourite wines, preferably ones available to most consumers, I dont intend going to source wines directly.
Say your fav red & white under€10, €20. Your fav with a good steak, seafood, pasta etc. i know this is fairly basic but lets start from there
No more "Mine is bigger than yours", OK.

enda1

726courtown wrote: »

Jeez, go easy on the guy, can this be an end to all this petty, childish slagging and lets start discussing what we are here for....WINE.
I am just starting to gain some real knowledge about wine so would like to see some posters favourite wines, preferably ones available to most consumers, I dont intend going to source wines directly.
Say your fav red & white under€10, €20. Your fav with a good steak, seafood, pasta etc. i know this is fairly basic but lets start from there
No more "Mine is bigger than yours", OK.

So what are yours?

The wine I listed is a great wine for under €20.

Under €10 is very difficult I think (in Ireland), however, it would probably be a Touraine from Loire I'd imagine.

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Lads, stop with this riling of another poster.

Murphyt

Sunday was a starter of cured meets with peppers and gurkins, with this I had 2 ales firstly was hobgoblins and it was delicious I never had it before and found it a good strong flavour to go with the meets, 2nd was bishops finger again a nice dark ale although I have had many bishops finger (easy now) in my day so I knew what I was getting.
Dinner was pork and with this went 2 wines.
First a white, 2007 ginglinger riesling alsace from the wine buff for 14 euro, it was very nice crisp and fruity.
Secondly was a red, Chateau de Fontenay 2005 from o'briens at 12.95. This was very satisfactory and I have had it before in the 2000, which is another excellent year, it would not be a great estate but in these 2 years, although I dont think the 2000 is available anymore, this wine is good value and stands up well enough to most bordeaux at least when drinking with food.
Sorry about the wine descriptions I know what I like and what I dont like but can never really describe why.

sourgrapes

Just wrote about rosé for Sunday's Tribune. What are "boarders" feelings on rosé?

Do you like it, if not why not? And if you do like it, in what style, the "blush" from Gallo et cetera or the more traditional dry styles from southern France?

Is it underappreciated?

Interested to hear some thoughts.

Gstore.ie (Tony)

Hi All,

For me my wine of the moment is the following http://www.drinksdirect.co.uk/acatalog/Casillero_del_Diablo_Shiraz.html extremely difficult to find this in Ireland even had a guy in a wine store trying to convince me it was never made. Fantastic value for money, I am extremely fussy with Wine and believe me this will impress you. I didnt expect much when I bought it first as it was so cheap but it was something for a quiet night in, I have stocked up on cases of it since. I was in the UK last week and they had it in Tesco for £6.99 but cannot find it in any stores in Cork, if anyone finds it them please let me know.

Another one of my favourites is Patemina Accolode Rioja.

On another note is anyone aware of any Wine clubs available in Ireland where you sign up and they send you a bottle once every few weeks.

Regards
Tony

muckety

sourgrapes wrote: »

Just wrote about rosé for Sunday's Tribune. What are "boarders" feelings on rosé?

Do you like it, if not why not? And if you do like it, in what style, the "blush" from Gallo et cetera or the more traditional dry styles from southern France?

Is it underappreciated?

Interested to hear some thoughts.

I think rose suffers from the 'Mateus' association, a sweet fruity light wine for people who don't really like wine. Personally, I like the dry french (Bordeaux in particular) styles. This one is very nice, more complex than the sweeter, fruitier rose's and perfect for sipping in the sun / with a BBQ ->
Chateaux Haut Rian Rose 2009 - I got it at Winesdirect.ie.

grenache

I go away for exams for two weeks, i come back and the beer & wine forum is at war! For what its worth i'm glad that we are beginning to see more wine threads on here, to complement the several beer and spirit ones.

Bearhunter

sourgrapes wrote: »

Just wrote about rosé for Sunday's Tribune. What are "boarders" feelings on rosé?

Do you like it, if not why not? And if you do like it, in what style, the "blush" from Gallo et cetera or the more traditional dry styles from southern France?

Is it underappreciated?

Interested to hear some thoughts.

I think rose has come a hell of a long way, with winemakers now taking it a bit more seriously. That means that consumers are also realising that there are some great roses out there. I'm stuck down here in NZ and the local roses here have improved immeasurably over the past 10 years. We're now getting wines with clean fruit (often from young pinot vines, but sometimes using merlot or cab franc as well) and decent complexity and depth of flavour, but backed up with a solid acid spine. Compared to the Aussie ones that creep into the market, they are light years ahead. Granted, they'll never supplant sauv blanc, pinot gris, syrah and pinot noir as the vin du jour, but they are great lunchtime or afternoon wines.

grenache

sourgrapes wrote: »

Just wrote about rosé for Sunday's Tribune. What are "boarders" feelings on rosé?

Do you like it, if not why not? And if you do like it, in what style, the "blush" from Gallo et cetera or the more traditional dry styles from southern France?

Is it underappreciated?

Interested to hear some thoughts.

Yes it is underappreciated. Many people see rose as a sort of gimmick, a style not to be taken seriously. That one can only drink it on a warm summers day. All of which are nonsense. The problem is there are more bad rosé wines made than bad red or whites. Bland wines like Rosé d'Anjou and many White Zinfandel creations are enough to put anyone off rosé for life. And these receive all the attention, spoiling rosé's name, much like Liebfraumilch ruined Germany's reputation in the 70s & 80s.

My favourite rosés at the moment are Riojas. I love anything made from the Tempranillo grape. Faustino do a very decent one. There's a nice crisp acidity to it, something you don't get in many French or Aussie rosés.

In general i don't go for the sweeter Blush styles coming out of California, but there are two exceptions. I like Beringer's Sparkling White Zinfandel Blush. A good balance between fruit and yeastiness and there's just a touch of sweetness to it which is enough. I also like Merlot rosé (white merlot), which again isn't too dry and has a bit of sweetness coming through on the tip of the tongue.

Berwick

Yesterday I took part in a kind of Gewürztraminer celebration.

Had six small glasses of various Gewürztraminer - all from Alsace.

Was again surprised hoe pleasantly different the same grape from the same region can be!

ednwireland

120 bottles brought back from vineyards in bourgone, savoie and bugey

gotta love touring round france

Berwick

grenache wrote: »

For what its worth i'm glad that we are beginning to see more wine threads on here, to complement the several beer and spirit ones.

I second that!

Btw: These days I am enjoying a Gutedel from the Markgräflerland.

Gutedel is Fendant in Switzerland, and Chasselas in France.

Berwick

And what kind of wine did you have for the New Year?

sourgrapes

Berwick wrote: »

And what kind of wine did you have for the New Year?

Domaine de la Vougeraie Gevrey Chambertain 2009

Chanson Puligny Montrachet 2006

Both superb and reaffirmed Burgundy as my favourite region.

Also had the Obriers de la Peira 2008, last year's wine of the year.

Slaphead07

2001 PETIT FOMBRAUGE, ST EMILION GRAND CRU
2007 MAS DU NOVI PRESTIGI, LANGUEDOC
2001 CUVEE JOHANNA (red Bordeaux)
2009 ALMARA FINCA LINTE, NAVARRA
2009 GRAVETTE CABERNET SAUVIGNON, MINERVOIS
2008 GRAND BIREAU, BORDEAUX (Sauvignon Blance, Semillon)
ANSELMI PROSECCO
VIGNADORO PROSECCO (drier and spumante)
HERVE MATHELIN, BRUT RESERVE Champagne

It's been a good Christmas!

Berwick

Good ...... good ......

My favourite wines for the New Year are ....

White: a Gewürztraminer
Red: a Regent and a Spätburgunder

All from the region Baden - in Germany

Berwick

the beer revolu wrote: »

The point I'm making is that there is nowhere near the kind of diversity in wine as there is in beer.

Beer is made from a much more diverse range of ingredients and is made in a huge range of styles and alcohol strengths.

There is simply much more to talk about.

Your statement still surprises me.

Let us agree to disagree.

seipeal1

Guys,
I work in the wine industry down here in the Barossa Valey for Treasury Wine Estates. We make Penfolds, Wolf Blass, Lindemanns, Rosemount and lots of other wines. One of the best value wines we do at the moment is a Pepperjack Shiraz. It is a beautiful sup. not even sure if it is imported into Ireland. Had a glass of $600 grange recently and it was massive although a bit expensive!! Lots of fantastic Australian wines down here that do not even get to Europe, unfortunately.

BeerNut

seipeal1 wrote: »

Lots of fantastic Australian wines down here that do not even get to Europe, unfortunately.

We're muddling through with the French, Italian and Spanish stuff.

Berwick

seipeal1 wrote: »

I work in the wine industry down here in the Barossa Valey for Treasury Wine Estates.

Hello down under!

You work in Barossa Valley?

Can one still see some German influence in the wine growing there?

losthorizon

Berwick wrote: »

My favourites are these:

White wines: Riesling and Traminer. It need not be a Gewürztraminer.

Red wines: Pinot Noir (Spätburgunder in German), Merlot, Pinotage, and especially Carmenère.

Is that what Spatburgunder means? Thats a lovely red wine if its good and very difficult to find outside Germany. The only place I have seen it for sale is in Killarney. Its a beautiful wine to have with Turkey on Christmas day.

johnnyskeleton

seipeal1 wrote: »

Guys,
I work in the wine industry down here in the Barossa Valey for Treasury Wine Estates. We make Penfolds, Wolf Blass, Lindemanns, Rosemount and lots of other wines. One of the best value wines we do at the moment is a Pepperjack Shiraz. It is a beautiful sup. not even sure if it is imported into Ireland. Had a glass of $600 grange recently and it was massive although a bit expensive!! Lots of fantastic Australian wines down here that do not even get to Europe, unfortunately.

New world wines became popular when European wines got too expensive. Now its almost the reverse with many supermarkets selling claret and champagne for the same price or cheaper than Chilean, australian or Californian wines

Berwick

losthorizon wrote: »

Is that what Spatburgunder means?

Exactly! Pinot Noir (French) = Spätburgunder (German).

Literally "Spätburgunder" means: "a wine from Burgundy that ripens late".

Because the Spätburgunder plants have been imported from Burgundy to Germany in the Middle Ages once.

Berwick

Let's continue talking about wine. :)
Today I had a Beaujolais Nouveau.
I had bought  4 bottles of it  in November 2017.
This type of wine is not supposed to see the NEW YEAR.
But I had forgotten all about this one bottle - and so I bravely tried it.
And it was still fine and quite OK! :)

Dizzyblonde

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