[CoD Black Ops] News and Discussion

Headshot

Dcully wrote: »

Just play COD4 its so much better than mw2.

I do

I play both, of course my favourite is cod4

Leeg17

All I can hope is that, as Ade said, there isn't just 1 focal point on most maps, as there is in most Mw2 maps. Estate, the big house. Sub base, the house with the 3 entrances. Fuel, the rock :mad:. Derail, the centre building with the two stairs. Etc etc.

Really happy about scavenger only replenishing ammo, and lethal grenades (when pro) and not equipment. Should reduce camping by a good bit, no more situation with people camping with claymores on each door, someone runs in and dies, replace claymore.

I figure there'll always be people trying to have an unfair advantage in the game, by boosting or whatever. People playing "the wrong way", by camping like hell with claymore/scavenger, or doing a Usain Bolt with a tac knife. All I can hope is that it doesn't become so much of a problem as with Mw2 in that everygame had someone with mlc combo, or OMA + DC, or claymore/scavenger, or BOOSTERS :mad:

shawpower

I've watched Hutch's 7 videos on gameplay in Black Ops over lunch, and have some thoughts on what I've seen.

Overall, it looks pretty good, without really having a WOW factor that MW2 had on first play. I have to say I'm a bit surprised at the graphics. I know gameplay is more important, but it looks like a retrograde step from MW2 which has amazing graphics imho. More a combo of WAW/COD4 instead of what I'm used to with MW2. I could be wrong on that as I've only seen grainy videos so far.

I've only every played MW2, so can't compare BO with anything else, but apparently there's a lot more recoil in BO and also it takes a lot longer to kill people. Maybe this is more similar to COD2/WAW etc. It'll take me a bit of getting used to I guess, but I couldn't say whether it's a good or bad thing yet.

Shotguns have been nerfed hugely. There was a lot of complaints from some of the youtube commentators about that weapon being a secondary, but I quite like them. Their range has been hit massively, so it looks like you'll hardly ever actually use them. I quite like the diversity of weapons that are useable in MW2 and think that reducing this down isn't a step forward...??

Interesting killstreaks. Dogs as an 11 killstreak? Must be some beafy mutts on the go! The RC Car is probably not actually as overpowered as you'd think, because you can be out of the game for so long. With the Pred, it was 10 seconds max, while the car could have you out of the game for 30-45-60 seconds as you search for a kill. Maybe as people learn the maps more, this will become less of a factor. Nuke is gone. Also, no word on whether the killstreaks build to other streaks from what I've read so far...

Deathstreaks. Gone. Good.

TI's back in the game. This is a hard one. Maybe because they've removed the Nuke, they think boosting won't be as prevalent. Or maybe they've another solution for that...

I don't know what to make of money instead of XP. How will that slot in with prestiges etc?

Dymo

first impressions,

Like that there no Killstreaks that lead to more kill streaks, killstreaks can only be gotten from the gun or equipment your using.

Unsure about the currency and hows that going to work for your average gamer.

The graphics look COD4 and I hope there not all going to be all war torn areas, Terminal and highrise are nice clean maps in MW2

Loving the idea of a combat training section.

Wish they had replaced the Nuke with something else, I always thought it gave the good players something to aim for

krudler

Headshot wrote: »

the maps in MW2 are awful compared to MW1

when I see a MW1 map on MW2 my face lights up, just great maps imo

hopefully the maps on Black Ops are much better

I actually prefer the MW2 maps for the most part, love Terminal,Skidrow, Wasteland, Rust is a hoot, Favela is great on some game modes.

shawpower

Headshot wrote: »

the maps in MW2 are awful compared to MW1

when I see a MW1 map on MW2 my face lights up, just great maps imo

hopefully the maps on Black Ops are much better

Headshot wrote: »

If i was pushed the only MW2 maps I kinda like are Derail & Fuel

I haven't played COD4, so can't really compare, but....

Your argument is weakened by saying that Derail and Fuel are your favourites? Really?? Most people would put them down as by far the worst of any map ever on COD...

Going by the maps taken from COD4, which many people complained about paying for...

Overgrown - Really don't like this map. Either camp-tastic, or sniper bs non-stop.
Vacant - Decent map, but god help you if you get the outside spawn with air support up.
Crash - Pretty good map.
Strike - A very good map. Really like it for Dom/TDM/S&D etc.

So you've one terrible map, two average maps, and one good map. Maybe I'm missing something, but that doesn't suggest to me that COD4 was much better other than "better in my day" style memory. I've heard horror stories about Bog too??

NeVeR

How did they get to play this ?,, was a demo released

Shammy

shawpower wrote: »

I haven't played COD4, so can't really compare, but....

Your argument is weakened by saying that Derail and Fuel are your favourites? Really?? Most people would put them down as by far the worst of any map ever on COD...

Going by the maps taken from COD4, which many people complained about paying for...

Overgrown - Really don't like this map. Either camp-tastic, or sniper bs non-stop.
Vacant - Decent map, but god help you if you get the outside spawn with air support up.
Crash - Pretty good map.
Strike - A very good map. Really like it for Dom/TDM/S&D etc.

So you've one terrible map, two average maps, and one good map. Maybe I'm missing something, but that doesn't suggest to me that COD4 was much better other than "better in my day" style memory. I've heard horror stories about Bog too??

The cod 4 maps were much better , they were smaller more intense fire fights and very little camping. When i first got mw2 i didnt like the maps as i felt they were too big which means a lot of camping , Backlot beng one of my favourites , its a pity they didnt include it.
The mw2 maps arent bad , i dont dislike any but they are not at good in general as the mw1 maps.

edit: bog was a very good map, easy to dominate , only horror stories from those that mightnt have been able to control it.

oglaigh

Dymo wrote: »

Like that there no Killstreaks that lead to more kill streaks, killstreaks can only be gotten from the gun or equipment your using.

thats a great addition imo.
Personally I thought waw(single and multiplayer) was crap so dont have high hopes for this.

krudler

Shammy wrote: »

The cod 4 maps were much better , they were smaller more intense fire fights and very little camping. When i first got mw2 i didnt like the maps as i felt they were too big which means a lot of camping , Backlot beng one of my favourites , its a pity they didnt include it.
The mw2 maps arent bad , i dont dislike any but they are not at good in general as the mw1 maps.

edit: bog was a very good map, easy to dominate , only horror stories from those that mightnt have been able to control it.

I actually find the cod4 maps too big, proably because I dont know them as well as the MW2 ones yet, dont know all the quick ways through them, I do agree about their being more intense fighting on cod4, its rarely ever quiet on the maps, theres times on MW2 where you dont see an enemy for 20-30 secs as everyones hiding.

Was funny actually on Estate the other night, nearly everyone was sniping and camping with silenced guns so you could only hear the occasional shot being fired, I got killed 3 times by the same guy after stupidly going back for revenge kills only he had moved slighty, so I thought "fcuk this!", changed to my lightweight class and legged it over, blam, spas in the face, and then it all kicked off lol everyone changed class and it became a run and gun game literall as soon as i shot the first 2-3 guys with a non silenced weapon, its funny how the pace of a game can change like that

Dymo

that currency thing might promote boosting lobbies :S also people will be so worried about loosing their money that they will play in a very conservative manor, not sure if its a good idea.

EIREHotspur

Well going by these latest videos I got to go further than my last post and say very underwhelmed by them.

I tried going back to play MW1 multiplayer because the graphics were not half as good and MW2 and the graphics in this are nowhere near MW2 either.
Animations of the characters in MW2 are top notch too (never fail to be amazed at the graphics.....love Favela, Rundown, Invasion because you can tell US v Miltia/Middle Eastern Troops easily)

Maps in MW2 are varied and different.

I will buy this but can't see myself playing it as much as MW2 online the past year....roll on MW3 next year.

shawpower

Shammy wrote: »

The cod 4 maps were much better , they were smaller more intense fire fights and very little camping. When i first got mw2 i didnt like the maps as i felt they were too big which means a lot of camping , Backlot beng one of my favourites , its a pity they didnt include it.
The mw2 maps arent bad , i dont dislike any but they are not at good in general as the mw1 maps.

edit: bog was a very good map, easy to dominate , only horror stories from those that mightnt have been able to control it.

Fair enough. Since the maps in COD4 are smaller, it's strange that the two maps he liked were Fuel and Derail which are enormous. :shrugs:

Dymo wrote: »

that currency thing might promote boosting lobbies :S also people will be so worried about loosing their money that they will play in a very conservative manor, not sure if its a good idea.

It might also promote more run&gun. You get money for kills and capping flags and shooting down airsupport, and don't lose anything for deaths, so maybe it'll encourage people to try to get out and shoot instead of sitting back to camp... It'll be interesting.

Magill

Headshot wrote: »

If i was pushed the only MW2 maps I kinda like are Derail & Fuel

I'd put them as 2 of my least favorite tbh, i'd have favela/terminal/skidrow and crash as my favorites (Including map packs/cod4 maps). I dont think its the maps themselves that make intense firefights, but the actual game, noobtubes and killstreak building sort of take out alot of the fast paced action that you'd have got in cod4.

But yeah... lets hope BO's has some seriously good maps.

Magill

EIREHotspur wrote: »

Well going by these latest videos I got to go further than my last post and say very underwhelmed by them.

I tried going back to play MW1 multiplayer because the graphics were not half as good and MW2 and the graphics in this are nowhere near MW2 either.
Animations of the characters in MW2 are top notch too (never fail to be amazed at the graphics.....love Favela, Rundown, Invasion because you can tell US v Miltia/Middle Eastern Troops easily)

Maps in MW2 are varied and different.

I will buy this but can't see myself playing it as much as MW2 online the past year....roll on MW3 next year.

Graphics don't make great games, some of the best MP games played today have very dated graphics... i think its the simplistic nature that makes them so enjoyable.

zero19

I wonder do you lose "currency" in normal game modes? I like the idea of it, but if i lost it due to some asswipe glitching to win i'd probably never play it online and stick to Mw2/Cod4

shawpower

zero19 wrote: »

I wonder do you lose "currency" in normal game modes? I like the idea of it, but if i lost it due to some asswipe glitching to win i'd probably never play it online and stick to Mw2/Cod4

Not from what I've heard. It's only in the wager mode. I think you "bet" 100 points with the top three taking the overall kitty of 600. Unless you win, that sounds like a slow way of increasing your money though...

Magill

shawpower wrote: »

Not from what I've heard. It's only in the wager mode. I think you "bet" 100 points with the top three taking the overall kitty of 600. Unless you win, that sounds like a slow way of increasing your money though...

I reckon it'll be good tho, probably after the first month or so you'll get mostly good players doing the wager thing as the baddies will have gotten tired of losing all there cash, so could be good for people that like a challenge.

shawpower

Magill wrote: »

I reckon it'll be good tho, probably after the first month or so you'll get mostly good players doing the wager thing as the baddies will have gotten tired of losing all there cash, so could be good for people that like a challenge.

The gamemodes alone make it more enjoyable for the better players.

The one bullet game is tough for anyone, let alone strong players.
The Gun game is similar to FFA but will mean that weak players can't rely on their OMA/noobtube/Claymore etc to win, and will have to be able to snipe/tube/crossbow/burst fire/autofire/shotgun/pistol their way to victory. More skills needed so harder to win. (Hope I'm up to it!! )

TheFairy

Magill wrote: »

Graphics don't make great games, some of the best MP games played today have very dated graphics... i think its the simplistic nature that makes them so enjoyable.

Never truer words said! Check out ET for proof of the above.

Jev/N

Just in case people are wondering, the beta is reportedly due to be announced in 2-3 weeks time.

Magill

shawpower wrote: »

The gamemodes alone make it more enjoyable for the better players.

The one bullet game is tough for anyone, let alone strong players.
The Gun game is similar to FFA but will mean that weak players can't rely on their OMA/noobtube/Claymore etc to win, and will have to be able to snipe/tube/crossbow/burst fire/autofire/shotgun/pistol their way to victory. More skills needed so harder to win. (Hope I'm up to it!! )

Gun game is a mod for counterstrike, and its really really fun, for everyone. This BO version its basically the same idea so im expecting lots of hours spent rallying through each gun.

MiCr0

i haven't seen this posted yet
its from inside xbox - and there's loads of details and footage i've not seen elsewhere

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G94SolEtpnc

Dcully

Animations of the characters in MW2 are top notch too

I dont see much if any difference tbh and if i did id notice for like 5 mins.
When im fragging i dont notice something so trivial as animations.

Even if it looked inferior to mw2 Graphics DO NOT MAKE A GAME !!!

Dcully

141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »

True, graphics dont make a game but they add to the experience. Its very easy to notice the difference between both BO & MW2. Mostly the lighting.

The other chap was referring to animations hence i replied about same

TheFairy

141_Oscar_Mike wrote: »

True, graphics dont make a game but they add to the experience. Its very easy to notice the difference between both BO & MW2. Mostly the lighting.

Has anyone considered maybe that what they are looking at is not the finished game, textures and lighting may well not be final.

Jet Black

So zombie game mode still not confirmed:(

Not majorly impressed by the graphics, but hopefully its not the final product. I think the T.I would work if once you spawned from a T.I you did not have another one, so bosters would only get 2 kills from it. It very handy for some game modes.

Thor

Jet Black wrote: »

So zombie game mode still not confirmed:(

Not majorly impressed by the graphics, but hopefully its not the final product. I think the T.I would work if once you spawned from a T.I you did not have another one, so bosters would only get 2 kills from it. It very handy for some game modes.

I do believe that zombies was confirmed, Considering you get 4 by zombie maps with hardened and prestige editions of the game.

I think the graphics were fine, just some weapons didn't have alot of detail but remember its hard to judge from the videos, Also this isn't the finished product.

Jet Black

Thats what I thought too, but it seems the extra playable co-op maps not in the standard edition, nothing about being zombie maps, seems a retailer was jumping to conclusions here says

Black Ops zombies shot down by Treyarch

Last month a retailer listed Black Ops zombie maps as freebies included with the game's special edition. Bar miscommunication though, it looks like we could be disappointed.

iMuse

Treyarch are playing it down but there will be co-op of some kind in the game resembling zombies, they wont be as stupid as they where with world at war underestimating how popular zombies would be. I imagine no talk of it will be till a few weeks before launch to set the hype machine into 5th gear and increase preorders