HARI Referral

DetectivFoxtrot

Hi All,

just got referred to HARI Rotunda yesterday by my GP (am ttc a little over a year, age 31). Suffering from long cycles and it's severely affecting ttc (last cycle was 73 days and was also anovulatory, although previous cycles have all been ovulatory), I'm charting since May 2009 using FAM (Fertility Awareness Model via FertiltyFriend.com).

I have a few questions, am hoping you can help. I know I should have asked my doc these, but the phonecall was very quick so I only thought of the questions later, and I can't call her back (She has a massive patient load and calls are taken only by the receptionist)..

- How long will I be waiting for an appointment? (ball park)

- Will they prescribe Clomid to reduce cycle length (doc was going to do this herself, but after a low progesterone blood draw result she reckons I'll have to see a fertility specialist anyway so did the referral) btw, thankfully all other hormones came back normal e.g. FSH, Prolactin, LH etc....

- If my next cycle starts before the HARI appointment, should I request Clomid from my GP while I wait? (Clomid can affect hormone blood tests, but seeing as I have had all of them done, I doubt HARI will want to do them again, after all they are the basis for the GP referral)

- Do I bring my husband to first appt?

- What should I do in preparation for the HARI appt? I want them to know I am fully informed about my cycles but don't want to be overbearing; should I bring my charts? My GP was very impressed with my charting, but I have heard stories from others that this can irritate some medical professionals....

- should I request a Semen Analysis for my husband (my GP told me that in Ireland it is assumed that fertility issues lie with the female :rolleyes:, I don't agree with this so would like my husbands semen tested at some stage to rule out/address abnormalities on his side). On HARI's website it states they do this for €100, so would it make sense for my husband to tag along?


TIA for any replies

Straycat

hi.

firstly sorry you are having issues, but great that you have been proactive on your fertility issues.

to answer some of your questions, i cannot give you any info on hari as i have attended a different clinic, but maybe some one else might know.

on your long cycles i am not a medical person but i dont think clomid will cause you to have shorter cycles, though it most definately help you ovulate. it would probably be one of the first line treatments you will go through with the clinic. while you are waiting the gp may be reluctant to prescribe clomid (my gp point blank refused to.) and especially as you now have a referral, they will most likely suggest waiting to see the specialists.

on your first consult you need to bring dh, your gp is wrong in that all fertility clinics worth their salt treat infertility as a dual problem, not just the lady. they will send your dh for detailed semem analysis, but if they dont suggest this well def say it to them. on that if you are waiting for a period of time to be seen the semen is a three monthly cycle so start your dh on zinc, selenium and maybe a good fertility suppliment. get him to cut back on smoking,coffee, alchol all the usual suspects, it just may make the difference!

regarding the charting, you are right in it peeing off some speciallists, take it as it comes, have them with you, but its more than likely the speciallist will take a cursory history of your cycle pattern and lenght, they are usually more interested in your blood results as this tells them definitively more.

best of luck.

DetectivFoxtrot

Straycat wrote: »

hi.

firstly sorry you are having issues, but great that you have been proactive on your fertility issues.

to answer some of your questions, i cannot give you any info on hari as i have attended a different clinic, but maybe some one else might know.

on your long cycles i am not a medical person but i dont think clomid will cause you to have shorter cycles, though it most definately help you ovulate. it would probably be one of the first line treatments you will go through with the clinic. while you are waiting the gp may be reluctant to prescribe clomid (my gp point blank refused to.) and especially as you now have a referral, they will most likely suggest waiting to see the specialists.

on your first consult you need to bring dh, your gp is wrong in that all fertility clinics worth their salt treat infertility as a dual problem, not just the lady. they will send your dh for detailed semem analysis, but if they dont suggest this well def say it to them. on that if you are waiting for a period of time to be seen the semen is a three monthly cycle so start your dh on zinc, selenium and maybe a good fertility suppliment. get him to cut back on smoking,coffee, alchol all the usual suspects, it just may make the difference!

regarding the charting, you are right in it peeing off some speciallists, take it as it comes, have them with you, but its more than likely the speciallist will take a cursory history of your cycle pattern and lenght, they are usually more interested in your blood results as this tells them definitively more.

best of luck.

thanks for the reply Straycat.
Yes, you're right about Clomid and that it brings on ovulation, but a bi-product side effect (or benefit, in my case) is that it can make ovulation happen quicker. I'd be delighted if I could bring it back to Cycle Day 30. With a 14/15 day Luteal Phase, my cycles would be back to about 44/45 days. Before contraceptive pills I had long cycles anyway, but they were regular, always at 42 days. The last cycle was soooo frustrating and depressing. I got positive digital ovulation strips twice (CD 48 and 66), but no thermal shift to confirm ovulation thereafter, total headwrecker.
My doc seems fairly ok with prescribing Clomid, so I'd say she'd give it to me if I was in for a long wait with HARI. She's a really great and supportive doctor.

RE DH, unfortunately he does all of the above (smoke [although trying to quit], drink, caffeine) but he eats well. I'll definitely get the supplements for him though.

I know you said you were treated in a different clinic, but can I ask how long you had to wait between referral and appt?

thank you

Straycat

with kk there is a two week wait (ironic that!!) and now sims once they recieved the referral they rang and offered a cancellation for less than a week later which i refused so i took the next app which would of been a month.

May79

I have just got a cancellation appointment to Rotunda for next week. Like yourself am wondering what course of action is? I wasn't going to bring hubby but now i am thinking i better?

DetectivFoxtrot

May79 wrote: »

I have just got a cancellation appointment to Rotunda for next week. Like yourself am wondering what course of action is? I wasn't going to bring hubby but now i am thinking i better?

oooh good luck, let me know how you get on. you might as well bring DH, if he's needed and he's not there you'll be p1ssed.

I emailed them asking how long I can expect to wait but got no response :rolleyes:

best of luck

DetectivFoxtrot

any news May79?

I got my appointment today - 30th July, although I'll be ticking the form to say I'll take any cancellations that may arise....

May79

Hi there.

Had my app yest. Was very nervous but Doc was lovely. Says PCOS is mild but obviously an obstruction. Have to stay on metformin, got prescription to start provera and clomid. He was very very positive and very matter of fact "happens loads of women, start with the basics and we'll worry if we don't concieve in 6 months" It was blunt but great to hear. DH was in. He has been asked to get his swimmers tested as a precaution. No point in treating me if he's not up to scratch . Going to get script filled today and start tonight or tomorrow. Need to exercise loads and eat well to keep side effects to a minimum. All in all i was delighted. I got a cancellation app otherwise i would not have got in until the end of June. We're a month ahead of it now. Hopefully things will be ok. When is your app? Is it in Rotunda?

May79

Sorry just re-read your post - 30th July. Try for cancellation? You never know. I guess i just phoned at the right time?

DetectivFoxtrot

ya Rotunda. am filling out the form now and will tick the 'available at short notice' box in the event a cancellation is available.

I ovulated on Tuesday so am in the' 2 week wait' now..... cross your fingers for me!

that's good news that they'll test your partners sperm, I want mine to get checked out also

May79

The test on the partner seems to be standard. He nearly fell to the floor when the Dr mentioned it but will go along with it.

Fingers crossed!!

May79

Just finished course of provera. Have to wait on Af which could take up to two weeks to arrive then the clomid. Felt a bit achy with provera but that all so far!

DetectivFoxtrot

May79 wrote: »

Just finished course of provera. Have to wait on Af which could take up to two weeks to arrive then the clomid. Felt a bit achy with provera but that all so far!

2 weeks? really? thought Prover brought on AF quicker than that.... bets of luck with it. Please tell me how the Clomid goes for you - side effects etc., I reckon I'll be put on that. Best baby wishes

May79

DetectivFoxtrot wrote: »

2 weeks? really? thought Prover brought on AF quicker than that.... bets of luck with it. Please tell me how the Clomid goes for you - side effects etc., I reckon I'll be put on that. Best baby wishes

Gone through almost 1 month now of the treatment. Have to have CD21 test on Thurday. Bit nauseous at times. (Still taking metformin) I did not have any side affects on the clomid. I read somewhere to take it at night which cuts down any affects which i did and it appeared to work out that way. I am really tired all the time. Thinking it's down to meds. AF came exactly 7 days after i finished provera. My skin and mood an awful lot better since that. Unreal what the hormones can do. Have a repeat prescritption for provera and clomid but have no idea when to start them. Will have to ask doc when i go in tomorrow. Only GP but hopefully she willknow.

DetectivFoxtrot

May79 wrote: »

Gone through almost 1 month now of the treatment. Have to have CD21 test on Thurday. Bit nauseous at times. (Still taking metformin) I did not have any side affects on the clomid. I read somewhere to take it at night which cuts down any affects which i did and it appeared to work out that way. I am really tired all the time. Thinking it's down to meds. AF came exactly 7 days after i finished provera. My skin and mood an awful lot better since that. Unreal what the hormones can do. Have a repeat prescritption for provera and clomid but have no idea when to start them. Will have to ask doc when i go in tomorrow. Only GP but hopefully she willknow.

that's great about not having side effects on the Clomid. Pity you're tired though. Have you been TTC - any news or are you in the 2 Week Wait?

May79

DetectivFoxtrot wrote: »

that's great about not having side effects on the Clomid. Pity you're tired though. Have you been TTC - any news or are you in the 2 Week Wait?

Honestly.... I have no idea! Think i'm in the two week wait now as i had the cd 21 test last week. Feel fine. No difference!:rolleyes:

rondeco

I just tried to read this thread and I cant understand most of it because of all the abbreviations. Can anyone help me with these please?

DetectivFoxtrot

sorry - I post a lot on another TTC baord (Trying to Conceive) and all they use is abbreviations like these. It takes a couple of days to get used to but makes for much quicker posting

AF - your period

2WW - two week wait between ovulation and your period (Luteal Phase is the technical term - by the way 2 weeks is an average, normal LP can range from 10-15 days)

DH - Dear Husband

CM - cervical mucous

HARI - this is a clinic based in teh Rotunda Hospital in Dublin - Human Assisted Reproduction Ireland


Others common ones are:-

BFN
Big Fat Negative (pregnancy test)

BFP
Big Fat Positive (pregnancy test)

CD
Cycle Day


CP
Cervical Position


DPO
Days Past Ovulation

EDD
Estimated Due Date

EWCM
Eggwhite cervical mucous. See Eggwhite cervical fluid.

FSH
Follicle Stimulating Hormone

HPT
Home pregnancy test. Measures levels of the hormone hcG which are produced in pregnancy.

HcG
Hormone detected by pregnancy tests. Human Chorionic Gonadotropin.

IUI
Intra-uterine insemination

IVF
In-vitro fertilization

LH
Luteinizing Hormone

M/C
Miscarriage

O
Ovulation

OPK
Ovulation Prediction Kit. OPKs measure luteinizing hormone, the last hormone to peak before ovulation.

POAS
Pee on a stick

RE
Reproductive Endocrinologist- Fertility Specialist

Nevyn

Can we please keep such anachronisms to a complete minimum.
There is a big enough learning curve as it is with this topic and it can act as a barrier to discussion and sharing of information.
This is the same policy which is on all the parenting forum and sub forums.

May79

My Period arrived without assistance on cd31. Good in that i didn't need to take medication to induce the bleed but still a little sad that we got a bfn. Have to begin the clomid again today (cycle Day2). Keep trying i guess.

DetectivFoxtrot

Sorry to hear that May79 (((hugs)))

I am 12 days past ov. and can feel my period coming on.... ah well. I suppose the next chapter is HARI. Was sort of hoping I'd be cancelling that appt. :rolleyes:

It WILL happen for both of us. Keep me posted on your progress

May79

Thanks detective. Started beack on clomid last night. Had the worst night sleep ever. I think i might suffer a bit this time round. They say clomid build in your system... Have another app with specialist in August. Just have to see what this month brings us both! Are opks any addition? A lot of money for something that may or may not help..

DetectivFoxtrot

May79 wrote: »

Thanks detective. Started beack on clomid last night. Had the worst night sleep ever. I think i might suffer a bit this time round. They say clomid build in your system... Have another app with specialist in August. Just have to see what this month brings us both! Are opks any addition? A lot of money for something that may or may not help..

I got a load of OPKs (100 or so) on eBay once, for about €20, so not a lot of money at all. My cycles are so irregular (some long some short) that I could end up using 30 in a cycle. So the internet cheapies are a good option. The ones in the chemists are an absolute rip off, even the generic brands.
The last deal I did online was 70 OPKs and 30 pg tests all for 20 quid.....
p,s, my period has more or less started now, so onto ttc Cycle 11 for me....

May79

That's too bad. Cycle 11 seems a long way off for me - only starting cycle2. It must be flying by for you. What is the next step for you?

DetectivFoxtrot

May79 wrote: »

That's too bad. Cycle 11 seems a long way off for me - only starting cycle2. It must be flying by for you. What is the next step for you?

time is flying by too quickly May79, that's the prob. Am actively ttc'ing since May 2009, although was not 'preventing' for a few months before that. HARI appt is 3 weeks away tomorrow. With any luck I'll be given Clomid to ovulate earlier and stronger, and some progesterone support to eliminate spotting in the LP (Luteal Phase), spotting can be known to impede implantation. I was always a pre-AF spotter though....
Got a nice (not!) visitor this morn :mad: am in bits all day and dosed up on Neurofen+ ...
I'm in a great Buudy Group on FetilityFriend.com so there's lots of people in boat I can chat with, and now you of course!

May79

It's really awful. Time is flying by and everyday there is another unwanted preganancy. It's rough but can only keep trying. Clomid is supposed to be the greatest thing on the planet for trying to concieve 'naturally'. I think the only side affect i'm having is hot flashes in the middle of the night but they're only for a few days. 3 weeks you'll be ready to start as you need af to begin on clomid. fingers crossed. I sincerely hope all goes ok. I must lookinto the other forum you mentioned and see what i can learn there too!

DetectivFoxtrot

May79 wrote: »

It's really awful. Time is flying by and everyday there is another unwanted preganancy. It's rough but can only keep trying. Clomid is supposed to be the greatest thing on the planet for trying to concieve 'naturally'. I think the only side affect i'm having is hot flashes in the middle of the night but they're only for a few days. 3 weeks you'll be ready to start as you need af to begin on clomid. fingers crossed. I sincerely hope all goes ok. I must lookinto the other forum you mentioned and see what i can learn there too!

I don't think Clomid is natural at all! I've read lots about it and basically it inundates your system with estrogen, and can cause hyper ovulation, potentially resulting in multiple births. It also dries up your cervical mucous which actually makes your cervix hostile to sperm! (I've read thought that drinking grapefruit juice around ovulation counteracts that by making your body more acidic thus your body increases it's alkaline fluids [fertile CM] and sets the PH balance right again!)...
Having said all that though, I can't wait to start taking it!! If I could double the dosage I would! haha. I just feel now that I'll never EVER get pregnant on my own. My friends think I'm obsessed but how can you not be after 14 months!!

May79

Having said all that though, I can't wait to start taking it!! If I could double the dosage I would! haha. I just feel now that I'll never EVER get pregnant on my own. My friends think I'm obsessed but how can you not be after 14 months!! [/QUOTE]


Haha. Double the dosage could end up in double the babies - We'd all start that !!!

I'm in tww but i can feel symptoms of af, tender breasts, lighting cramps etc etc. Another month gone i reckon!

Good luck with mr Hari;)

DetectivFoxtrot

thanks

I'm just about to ovulate (I think) - have pinching pain on right side ovary (classic sign for me) and OPKs are getting darker...... Am on CD22 so another early (for me!) ovulation hopefully.... the 2WW freaks me out - I turn into an obsessive lunatic! Hope you get through it ok and there is a lovely surprise at the end of it! Remember they are all early pg symptoms you're experiencing!
Keep me posted. I'll post an update after my appt.

DetectivFoxtrot

quick update re appt: - went well. OH to go for semen analysis first to rule out any issues on his side. I have some more tests to get done also. Once OH issues are ruled out I'll be put on Clomid. RE said that I am not ovulating - the erratic and long cycles, constant Luteal Phase spotting in every cycle, and the low progesterone blood test result all indicate that.

So finally we have lift off, finally getting my issues sorted, really hope the semen comes back ok.

He talked me through Clomid, and the potential for multiple briths, and said that when I start taking it (it's only taken CD 3 - 7) I have to return on CD 12/13 for a scan to see how many eggs are maturing, as that will be an indication of any potential multiples :eek:

May79

DetectivFoxtrot wrote: »

He talked me through Clomid, and the potential for multiple briths, and said that when I start taking it (it's only taken CD 3 - 7) I have to return on CD 12/13 for a scan to see how many eggs are maturing, as that will be an indication of any potential multiples :eek:

That's great news. At least the ball is rolling now. It's full steam ahead and i hope it goes smoothly. Multiple births would mean you've all over you in one pregnancy haha. It's a terrifying though though :eek:

No word of us going back in yet on thise dates. My doc must think the pcos isn't too bad? It's unreal how different each doc treats the patients! I find they put your mind at ease re everything. I'm in tww now. Don't think it's anything more than period pains i'm experiencing and i am on clomid for two cycles now!! I go back to rotunda in 2 weeks. We get DH results then too.

Congratulations on a positive first appointment.

DetectivFoxtrot

I'm officially in the TWW now myself. How far along are you?

Nevyn

TWW?

Can we please use full words.

May79

DetectivFoxtrot wrote: »

I'm officially in the TWW now myself. How far along are you?

The second week of it now. Though i'm really at odds. I'm not as sore now as i was last week so i'm confused again!! Wait and see

DetectivFoxtrot

May79 wrote: »

The second week of it now. Though i'm really at odds. I'm not as sore now as i was last week so i'm confused again!! Wait and see

would you consider testing early, or do you normally wait until you're late? - I can never hold out that long.....!

May79

Well..... I was so despondant and down this morning i thought "I wonder"... I did a test, which is just a cheapy strip thing you dip in a jar, (I bought a few in bulk cheap of the internet at the same time as the opks) anyway...two lines. I nearly fell over. So i drank tea, OJ and anything else i could find in the fridge and did another one. two lines again. Going to invest in a clear blue or some of them big brand yokes to see if i am dreaming or if i might be you know what..... I don't dare hope. In work now and cannot concentrate on a thing. (CD31 but i'm still not sure what my cycle is like - I would've waited and waited normally, i still have pains at r ovary which to me indicates af on route so i haven't a clue) :eek:

DetectivFoxtrot

May79 wrote: »

Well..... I was so despondant and down this morning i thought "I wonder"... I did a test, which is just a cheapy strip thing you dip in a jar, (I bought a few in bulk cheap of the internet at the same time as the opks) anyway...two lines. I nearly fell over. So i drank tea, OJ and anything else i could find in the fridge and did another one. two lines again. Going to invest in a clear blue or some of them big brand yokes to see if i am dreaming or if i might be you know what..... I don't dare hope. In work now and cannot concentrate on a thing. (CD31 but i'm still not sure what my cycle is like - I would've waited and waited normally, i still have pains at r ovary which to me indicates af on route so i haven't a clue) :eek:

Oh My God!!!!! Brilliant, congratulations :D:D

Get a First Response test or a Clear Blue Digi, DON'T get anything with blue dyd lines, they're notorious for evap lines. Pink all the way!!

May79

Got clear blue digi. Said 1-2 weeks!

Only second month on clomid, strong stuff. That's us trying since Jan 2009. Will have to wait now and see if it holds tight. I bought extra tests. I'll be doing one a day for weeks i know rightly. I don't go back to rotunda until 18th August. So many questions i want to ask him...:eek:

You just wait to get going on clomid....... You won't know yourself. I have pcos too.

DetectivFoxtrot

May79 wrote: »

Got clear blue digi. Said 1-2 weeks!

Only second month on clomid, strong stuff. That's us trying since Jan 2009. Will have to wait now and see if it holds tight. I bought extra tests. I'll be doing one a day for weeks i know rightly. I don't go back to rotunda until 18th August. So many questions i want to ask him...:eek:

You just wait to get going on clomid....... You won't know yourself. I have pcos too.

Aw May79 that is just brill. Have a happy and healthy 9 months! (((hugs)))

I am back in HARI in the morn for some blood tests. Am 3 days past ovulation now. It's going to be a looooong couple of weeks, but even if I'm not successful at least I have Clomid to look forward too!:p

Are you going to request an early scan to see if there's more than one foetus? Oh how exciting!

crazy cat lady

I've ben following this thread out fo interest. My heart goes out to you May and Detective for all the months of trying!

It looks like its paying off for you now May! Congratulations Hoping you have a happy and healthy pregnancy x

Detective: I'll be keeping my fingers and toes crossed for you. You'll get there in the end and it'll be worth the wait

DetectivFoxtrot

thanks Crazy


cannot wait to get pregnant; hope it happens soon, this wait has been too long

May79

Thanks Carzy - Early days. :eek: - Really nervous now. Haven't a clue what to do next!!!!

Detective - I have no idea what to do now. I was thinking i might just stick with home tests until i get back to my doctor? I have another digi clear blue for the morning (strongest hormone in urine first thing?) I didn't consider there might be more than one..... OMG as they say!!!

I really really did not expect this. Anything i have been doing is off the back of the advice on these forums - you in particular. Going to google all night now. You are 3 days past O now? We were busy every single day if you know what i mean and for days prior to and well past the so called O stage. Just in case. I hope it works ok fir you. With Hari you know you are in good hands.... :-)

May79

Doc says negative..... NOW i am confused!!!

DetectivFoxtrot

May79 wrote: »

Doc says negative..... NOW i am confused!!!

:eek:

doc tests can be crap. Do you know if they did a qualitative (literally confirming if you are +/-) or quantitative test (beta score tests)? If the latter the beta number may not be high enough for them to formally confirm the pregnancy.

Digi's do NOT lie. you ARE pregnant. Have you got any more tests yourself?

I've heard of this happening before.

May79

I don't know what any of those things mean detective.... God i am so bad at this stuff :mad:.....

I know it was a urine test - much like the type we do at home - into a jar etc etc. He only looked on it for a minute - there was def only ONE line :-(I'm really lost) - I have more tests here - the digi type and the dip ones. Was going to try and wait until after the weekend to test again. If i'm not and af doesn't arrive i need to get more provera because af is late if i can rely on last months cycle (I can't compare to any other) I wish i knew for certain one way or the other - I thought i did know!!!

I am going to get the letters confirming progesterone levels on both cd21 for the past 2 months i think. I won't know what i'm reading but hey i can surf the net right!!! :P

May79

DetectivFoxtrot wrote: »

thanks Crazy


cannot wait to get pregnant; hope it happens soon, this wait has been too long

Can i just say detective - i hope it works for you asap. You fully deserve it more than anyone. You have so much knowledge. I know i don't know you but you have been a total tower of strenght and i appreciate every wee word you say. You are so unbelieveably helpful and a great boards buddy x x x x

crazy cat lady

Was it a GP urine pregnancy test? In which case it could well come up as being negative. In my experience I went to the Gp too early and had to go back a week later for them to be able to confirm the pregnancy. The tests they use aren't nearly as sensitive as clearblue or first response.

Do another test in the morning using the very first wee! It'll have the highest levels of HCG in. Do multiple tests if you have to but make sure you collect the first wee and just use this sample.

You really shouldn't get a false positive unless you are taking any medications that may contain HCG??

May79

crazy cat lady wrote: »

Was it a GP urine pregnancy test? In which case it could well come up as being negative. In my experience I went to the Gp too early and had to go back a week later for them to be able to confirm the pregnancy. The tests they use aren't nearly as sensitive as clearblue or first response.

Do another test in the morning using the very first wee! It'll have the highest levels of HCG in. Do multiple tests if you have to but make sure you collect the first wee and just use this sample.

You really shouldn't get a false positive unless you are taking any medications that may contain HCG??

I hope i was too early.... It was a wee test yes and it was at 2.30pm. I was taking clomid would that affect it? What else is there? I'm not up to speed on this stuff at all. I'm so so bad.

DetectivFoxtrot

May79 wrote: »

I don't know what any of those things mean detective.... God i am so bad at this stuff :mad:.....

I'm sorry - using jargon as usual....

a quantitative test is just YES/NO, i.e. to just verify scientifically if you are pg or not, i.e. if the pregnancy hormone HCG is present (or not), black or white. Levels of the hormone or other related info doesn't matter, just that it is present.

Qualitative on the other hand is about look at all the data and what story it tells collectively.. e.g. if on top of the pg test he did a progesterone test, as well as a beta test, that is a collection of data with a story to tell.

sorry probably making even less sense now......

The fact that he read the test and discarded it after a minute is a joke. It can take up to five mins for an early positive to fully appear, and even then you have to squint to see it....

As Crazy pointed out the only way you would get a false positive on a digi is if you were on a type fertility treatment that involves you being injected with HCG (IntraUterine Insemination requires this I think). Clomid would not create HCG in your body.

You ARE pregnant! It even said 1-2 weeks, there's no doubting it. I say test again with a digi if it gives you peace of mind

DetectivFoxtrot

May79 wrote: »

Can i just say detective - i hope it works for you asap. You fully deserve it more than anyone. You have so much knowledge. I know i don't know you but you have been a total tower of strenght and i appreciate every wee word you say. You are so unbelieveably helpful and a great boards buddy x x x x

Aw that's very sweet and lovely of you to say so

Am only passing on info that others have told me; am far from an expert. I find this whole TTC business immensely intriguing, even if I can come across somewhat neurotic.

the fertility doc laughed at me the other day when he saw all my charts (even though he had a good leaf through them). I brought along graphs and bar charts and everything (I didn't create them, just printed them off from Fertility Friend). He asked me my profession and I said banker, and he said, "put away the charts and the mathematics, you only need this fine man here to get you pregnant". I was mortified, didn't help that OH was nodding knowingly in agreement.......

May79

Well i mean it detective.

I hope the doc was just flippant and he's not up to speed with all this girly stuff (much like myself ) - and it cost me €50 for the priviledge...

I will do another digi but i think i'm going to wait until like sunday morning or something if i can contain myself. Feel so stupid now hoestly.

I appreciate all your knowledge. All your charting is possibly what is getting you through this. The doc in hari is probably freaking out that he can't bamboozle you with fact and figures - you're going to make him earn his money!!!:cool: