Is it worth getting a diesel car?

DiarmaidGNR

I was just wondering if it is worth getting a diesel car over a petrol car.

I don't do really big miles, lets say average miles.

Lately I was considering a E46 318 BMW 1.8 petrol - any ideas? - or will I aim for the 320d with its turbo issues?

In general is it worth getting a diesel?

kmuck

DiarmaidGNR wrote: »

I was just wondering if it is worth getting a diesel car over a petrol car.

I don't do really big miles, lets say average miles.

Lately I was considering a E46 318 BMW 1.8 petrol - any ideas? - or will I aim for the 320d with its turbo issues?

In general is it worth getting a diesel?

Hi unless you are doing 30k per year I would stay with petrol. Cleaner fuel and cleaner to use at pumps. I've had both over the years and diesel only wins when mileage is high.

dirtydiesel

I drive diesels all the time, saving money at the pumps everytime,easier to maintain, more miles to the tank and tougher engines imo.
There are a few bmw fans here who would know more about the 320d, im sure you will get their views soon enough.

Christ0pher

If you don't do really big miles then it's not really ever going to 'save' you money. Fleet cars tend to be diesel due to high mileages. If you are doing over 30,000 km per year, then there are significant savings. But otherwise no!
In your case the motor tax difference between a petrol 1.8 and a diesel 2.0 isn't going to be much. General 'rule' is small mileage - stay with petrol. Diesels (new cars) are still pricier to buy then their petrol equivalents, as far as I know.

kmuck

I agree stay with petrol.

BrokenArrows

ive had a diesel for the past 6 months. Saving a fortune on fuel. I do very little millage. find it very good.

your going to spend alot on fuel on a 1.8 petrol compared to a 1.9 diesel.

morrga

Does anyone know if you register a UK 2006 car with 153 emmission do you qualify for the low tax bracket?

DiarmaidGNR

Christ0pher wrote: »

If you don't do really big miles then it's not really ever going to 'save' you money. Fleet cars tend to be diesel due to high mileages. If you are doing over 30,000 km per year, then there are significant savings. But otherwise no!
In your case the motor tax difference between a petrol 1.8 and a diesel 2.0 isn't going to be much. General 'rule' is small mileage - stay with petrol. Diesels (new cars) are still pricier to buy then their petrol equivalents, as far as I know.

My budget is 2-5k. - So from the looks of it I would be getting an older car.

DiarmaidGNR

morrga wrote: »

Does anyone know if you register a UK 2006 car with 153 emmission do you qualify for the low tax bracket?

Afraid not, only cars 2008 and higher. For a while at the start of the new system you could, but they soon changed the rules. My friend found out the hard way.

steve french

i changed from a 1.4 petrol to a 1.6 diesel and i ended up saving alot on fuel even though i do short journeys and very little mileage. my mpg goes from about 40 mpg on short journeys up to 65mpg on longer journeys where the 1.4 petrol would struggle to get even get 40 on a long journey

Eoin

If you're not doing big mileage, then I'd rather the petrol, but the right petrol engine - I wouldn't go for a 4 cylinder 3 series.

Hi unless you are doing 30k per year I would stay with petrol.

I would say you'd see the savings a good bit before 30k (if you're talking miles).

JHMEG

dirtydiesel wrote: »

easier to maintain, tougher engines imo.

More expensive to maintain, as they need more stuff changed more often (eg diesel filter). Tougher engines true, but turbos, swirl flaps and dual mass flywheels all to contend with. Higher purchase price too.

Blow one turbo and it'll take 10 years to make back the cost in fuel savings, during which time you'll probably blow another!

Eoin

Yep, a DMF on an e46 320d cost me €1000. Even spurious ones were 600 or so.

Guy:Incognito

JHMEG wrote: »

Higher purchase price too.
.

That might be true on some new cars or if your lookign for a certain year /spec etc of car but the OP is spending a specific amount, so disregarding year, the same amount will be spent on the car , be it petrol or diesel, meaning he'll notice the 10c a litre saving and extra MPG from the first tank of diesel he puts in.

Mc Love

steve french wrote: »

i changed from a 1.4 petrol to a 1.6 diesel and i ended up saving alot on fuel even though i do short journeys and very little mileage. my mpg goes from about 40 mpg on short journeys up to 65mpg on longer journeys where the 1.4 petrol would struggle to get even get 40 on a long journey

Same here and totally agree although i get more fuel economy when doing 90mph

af_thefragile

Well, Diesel is now like almost 10c cheaper than petrol.
So if you're doing high mileage then its gonna be cheaper.

But if you're doing low mileage then the smaller engine size on a petrol might save you a few more on tax and insurance than the diesel which might offset any fuel savings you make.

Also petrol cars are quieter, more responsive and generally cheaper to repair if anything goes wrong.

Eoin

I wouldn't say petrol engines are more responsive - especially comparing the 320d to the 318. You might run out of revs quicker, but there's something to be said for the low end pull of the diesel.

OP, if you're not doing big miles and insurance isn't an issue, then I think you'll get best value for your money by buying a larger engine like a 323. The fuel economy won't be much worse than a 4 cyl petrol version, and will be a far better car to drive plus possibly a better spec too.

jackofalltrades

wrote:

I was just wondering if it is worth getting a diesel car over a petrol car.

I don't do really big miles, lets say average miles.

Lately I was considering a E46 318 BMW 1.8 petrol - any ideas? - or will I aim for the 320d with its turbo issues?

In general is it worth getting a diesel?

It depends on the numbers involved.
If you're looking at cars that are taxed by their CO2 emissions, then it starts to swing towards the diesel version.

Luckily someone's already went to the trouble of making a cost of ownership calculator.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2055546516

voxpop

Ive just moved from a 1.9tdi to a 2.5 petrol 523 and the extra fuel costs with the petrol are quite a bit - probably tripling my fuel bill. The golf was nippier as well, with the 5er taking a bit of time to get going. Maybe you cant compare the two but the quoted mpg is 30 for the 523, I think the 323 is similar.

Diesels are easy to service - no spark plugs, just oil/filter + air filter and fuel filter every 2 years or so. The fuel filter is in the engine bay and a doddle to change. Regular servicing with good oil and not trashing the car until it warms up will keep the turbo in good nick.

jackofalltrades wrote:

Luckily someone's already went to the trouble of making a cost of ownership calculator.

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=2055546516

That excel sheet is horrific - running costs of 398.1 per month!!

Zubeneschamali

voxpop wrote: »

That excel sheet is horrific - running costs of 398.1 per month!!

It excludes depreciation and finance costs, so the real figure is much, much higher, probably double that buying new.

Antrim_Man

I've had both many petrols and diesels over the years and the diesels for me are a better car to drive. Recently this year I've had a diesel Jetta, a 1.6 petrol Vectra and a 1.6 petrol Mondeo. The petrols would not pull you out of bed and they drink the juice compared to the Jetta. :mad:

jackofalltrades

wrote:

That excel sheet is horrific - running costs of 398.1 per month!!

It's worked fine for me in the past, what numbers were you putting in to get that figure?

Zubeneschamali wrote:

It excludes depreciation and finance costs, so the real figure is much, much higher, probably double that buying new.

No, it definetly includes depreciation.

BlackWizard

I've used that excel sheet before too. It's definitely a good idea for comparing cars.

I often toyed with the idea of a 3 litre petrol but that thing made my mind up! I'm now driving a 3 litre diesel.

Zubeneschamali

jackofalltrades wrote: »

No, it definetly includes depreciation

Try filling in a value of 1 euro, and then change it to 1 million euros. No effect on the monthly cost.

jackofalltrades

Zubeneschamali wrote:

Try filling in a value of 1 euro, and then change it to 1 million euros. No effect on the monthly cost.

Depreciation isn't included in the monthly cost.

Zubeneschamali

jackofalltrades wrote: »

Depreciation isn't included in the monthly cost.

That's what I said, and you said:

No, it definetly includes depreciation.

Vertakill

Antrim_Man wrote: »

I've had both many petrols and diesels over the years and the diesels for me are a better car to drive. Recently this year I've had a diesel Jetta, a 1.6 petrol Vectra and a 1.6 petrol Mondeo. The petrols would not pull you out of bed and they drink the juice compared to the Jetta. :mad:

That's incredibly subjective. You've been driving (lately) very small engined petrols that are, arguably, a little underpowered for pulling that Vectra/Mondeo frame around.
That's why they drank juice compared to the Jetta because they were under so much more stress pulling that weight because they didn't have enough power.

There's a treshold around the 1.6 mark of medium sized saloons where MPG and Performance take a nosedive because they're just a poor match for power/weight.

So, brandishing petrols in such a poor light is a bit unfair considering your circumstances.

jackofalltrades

My bad, I mistakenly thought you were refering to the overall cost.

voxpop

jackofalltrades wrote: »

It's worked fine for me in the past, what numbers were you putting in to get that figure?

What is the yearly tax?........................................... 900

Estimated insurance cost per year…………………. 400

Estimated servicing costs per year…………………. 500

What is the 'official' MPG?...................................... 30

What is your average annual mileage?................... 12000

Estimated fuel price per litre…………………………. 1.31



figures are rough but close enough! Mind you I have near zero deprecation

eddie

I have a petrol Mondeo and do low(ish) miles and was looking at a new car. Ford now only do Mondeo's as diesel.... I have always avoided diesel because of the noise..... from outside it is incredible.... is this an issue for anyone else.?

Antrim_Man

eddie wrote: »

I have a petrol Mondeo and do low(ish) miles and was looking at a new car. Ford now only do Mondeo's as diesel.... I have always avoided diesel because of the noise..... from outside it is incredible.... is this an issue for anyone else.?

They still have petrol models.

PaulKK

eddie wrote: »

I have always avoided diesel because of the noise..... from outside it is incredible.... is this an issue for anyone else.?

Nope.


You need to try a modern diesel, it is quite far from "incredible" noise, and inside the car often quieter than a petrol when on the move.

cian1500ww

If you do any kind of towing you'll want a diesel but apart from that it's personal preference IMO. I went from a petrol to a diesel recently and I'd find it hard to go back to petrol. Plus if you're buying new, most diesels are cheaper to tax due to their lower emmisions.

eddie

Antrim_Man wrote: »

They still have petrol models.

I Just checked again .. thatre NO Mondeo petrol models and they will not be doing them for the foreseeable future....

teednab-el

Diesel beats Petrol cars under all circumstances. That was my experience anyway.

jock101

teednab-el wrote: »

Diesel beats Petrol cars under all circumstances. That was my experience anyway.

lol, not in performance or servicing costs!

Green Hornet

jock101 wrote: »

lol, not in performance or servicing costs!

I've just changed from a 1.8 Civic to 2.2 Accord diesel. Difficult to compare directly. I miss the 'urgency' of the petrol but like the torque of the diesel. In my case I do 25k miles per year and the savings on fuel are significant. If I was doing 20k miles or less I'd stick to the petrol but I don't really think one is necessarily better than the other performance wise for ordinary cars. They are 2 completely different driving experiences.