Assault claims against gardaí left out of report

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A section of an inquiry into the death of Terence Wheelock has been censored from the published version of the report.


The redacted pages detail allegations of a serious assault in a garda district which had previously been the subject of a separate investigation by the Garda Complaints Board.


The four pages, which outline evidence of a violent attack on a man arrested on the same street as Terence Wheelock, have inexplicably been removed from the version made available to journalists and the public.


They were only included in the version of the report which was given to Terence Wheelock's family and the garda commissioner, a copy of which has been obtained by the Sunday Tribune.


In an official statement from the Ombudsman Commission, it says "edits" to reports may be necessary if they would prejudice a case, jeopardise a person's safety or were not in the "public interest".


The report says: "Mr X's complaint related to an alleged assault by gardaí at Sean O'Casey Avenue. Mr X stated that as a result of the assault he lost consciousness and woke up on the floor of the public office of Fitzgibbon Street Garda [station] where he was being kicked by gardaí.


"He alleged that the gardai who were assaulting him tried to open his arms to enable them to re-open a stab wound that he had suffered some weeks previously.


"He stated that when they failed to do this the gardaí turned him over and pulled down his trousers, that he kept his legs crossed and that he was struck between 10 and 15 times on the tailbone. He stated that the bottom of his back, his arms and his eyes were covered in bruises."


Documents obtained from the Garda Complaints Board from October 2005 reveal that a file on the matter was prepared for the Director of Public Prosecutions, who directed no prosecution.


However, the report explained that a number of gardaí had been disciplined as a result of the assault.

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TheZohanS

Eva Glamorous Minus wrote: »

A section of an inquiry into the death of Terence Wheelock has been censored from the published version of the report.


The redacted pages detail allegations of a serious assault in a garda district which had previously been the subject of a separate investigation by the Garda Complaints Board.


The four pages, which outline evidence of a violent attack on a man arrested on the same street as Terence Wheelock, have inexplicably been removed from the version made available to journalists and the public.


They were only included in the version of the report which was given to Terence Wheelock's family and the garda commissioner, a copy of which has been obtained by the Sunday Tribune.


In an official statement from the Ombudsman Commission, it says "edits" to reports may be necessary if they would prejudice a case, jeopardise a person's safety or were not in the "public interest".


The report says: "Mr X's complaint related to an alleged assault by gardaí at Sean O'Casey Avenue. Mr X stated that as a result of the assault he lost consciousness and woke up on the floor of the public office of Fitzgibbon Street Garda [station] where he was being kicked by gardaí.


"He alleged that the gardai who were assaulting him tried to open his arms to enable them to re-open a stab wound that he had suffered some weeks previously.


"He stated that when they failed to do this the gardaí turned him over and pulled down his trousers, that he kept his legs crossed and that he was struck between 10 and 15 times on the tailbone. He stated that the bottom of his back, his arms and his eyes were covered in bruises."


Documents obtained from the Garda Complaints Board from October 2005 reveal that a file on the matter was prepared for the Director of Public Prosecutions, who directed no prosecution.


However, the report explained that a number of gardaí had been disciplined as a result of the assault.

Here's what I read somewhere:

None of the above is true

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TheZohan wrote: »

Here's what I read somewhere:

a number of gardaí had been disciplined as a result of the assault.

Sykk

Cool story, bro

petes

Eva Glamorous Minus wrote: »

a number of gardaí had been disciplined as a result of the assault.

You are right. It is highlighted in bold. It is true!

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Insurgent wrote: »

You are right. It is highlighted in bold. It is true!

This was an article in the Sunday Tribune

timmywex

Just because its in the paper doesnt mean its true!

Decreases the chance of being true if anything,..

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timmywex wrote: »

Just because its in the paper doesnt mean its true!

Decreases the chance of being true if anything,..

or increases the chance of a liable

dvpower

Eva Glamorous Minus wrote: »

This was an article in the Sunday Tribune

http://www.tribune.ie/news/home-news/article/2010/apr/04/assault-claims-against-gardai-left-out-of-report/

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timmywex wrote: »

Just because its in the paper doesnt mean its true!

Decreases the chance of being true if anything,..

You must be related to a Guard or go to TCD or something. Open your eyes.

minidazzler

dvpower wrote: »

http://www.tribune.ie/news/home-news/article/2010/apr/04/assault-claims-against-gardai-left-out-of-report/

Simple as, the family weren't happy with the verdict, decided to hand over documents to a newspaper. I highly doubt that the tribune were the first they went to as well, other papers simply say it for the crap it was.

General Zod

minidazzler wrote: »

Simple as, the family weren't happy with the verdict, decided to hand over documents to a newspaper. I highly doubt that the tribune were the first they went to as well, other papers simply say it for the crap it was.

what exactly is "crap" about it?

sam34

so, there was an inquiry into terence wheelocks death

his family and teh garda commisioner received a full copy of the report

someone else (?who) went looking for the report and got a shortened version

the report they got did not contain details pertaining to another man

why should this man's history/experiences be made available for public titillation?

there's a difference between what the public are interested in and what is in teh public interests to know

geeky

sam34 wrote: »

so, there was an inquiry into terence wheelocks death

his family and teh garda commisioner received a full copy of the report

someone else (?who) went looking for the report and got a shortened version

the report they got did not contain details pertaining to another man

why should this man's history/experiences be made available for public titillation?

there's a difference between what the public are interested in and what is in teh public interests to know

I don't think it's about public titillation, but establishing whether abuse of prisoners was a common practice at the station, or even occurred before. Presumably, if the family thought that Mr. X's case was relevant to Terrence Wheelock's, they're a bit miffed that no-one's heard about it.

Just a question - a lot of people are saying 'it's not true'... presumably, if the version that Wheelock's family have been given contains a chapter not in the public domain, the Tribune story is fact. Right?

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sam34 wrote: »

so, there was an inquiry into terence wheelocks death

his family and teh garda commisioner received a full copy of the report

someone else (?who) went looking for the report and got a shortened version

the report they got did not contain details pertaining to another man

why should this man's history/experiences be made available for public titillation?

there's a difference between what the public are interested in and what is in teh public interests to know

Because the public has no idea how the Gardai really operate. ie. torture. I think that's in the public interest

minidazzler

Eva Glamorous Minus wrote: »

Because the public has no idea how the Gardai really operate. ie. torture. I think that's in the public interest

Are you seriously suggesting that the gardai torture people?

We are not in Bolivia.

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minidazzler wrote: »

Are you seriously suggesting that the gardai torture people?

We are not in Bolivia.

What would you call what happened to mr x?

sam34

geeky wrote: »

I don't think it's about public titillation, but establishing whether abuse of prisoners was a common practice at the station, or even occurred before. Presumably, if the family thought that Mr. X's case was relevant to Terrence Wheelock's, they're a bit miffed that no-one's heard about it.

well, it was looked into at the inquiry, and considered there.



we dont know whether or not it was deemed relevant/incidental/unfounded

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sam34 wrote: »

well, it was looked into at the inquiry, and considered there.



we dont know whether or not it was deemed relevant/incidental/unfounded

And the gardai were diciplined for what?

minidazzler

Eva Glamorous Minus wrote: »

What would you call what happened to mr x?

I'd call it an allegation. They may have been disciplined, but if they did what was described they would have been kicked out of the gardai, then imprisoned.

Remember, it was a 4 page doccument that the tribune cut down to 4 lines. You know none of the facts and all of the conjecture.

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minidazzler wrote: »

I'd call it an allegation. They may have been disciplined, but if they did what was described they would have been kicked out of the gardai, then imprisoned.

Remember, it was a 4 page doccument that the tribune cut down to 4 lines. You know none of the facts and all of the conjecture.

In an ideal world. Is it really that hard for you to believe that this happened? After the morris tribunal findings? This is why it should not have been censored so people like you can take the time to take your head out of the sand.

sam34

Eva Glamorous Minus wrote: »

And the gardai were diciplined for what?

an assault


what is detailed in your op are mr x's allegations of what happened in teh course of that assault

minidazzler

Eva Glamorous Minus wrote: »

In an ideal world. Is it really that hard for you to believe that this happened? After the morris tribunal findings? This is why it should not have been censored so people like you can take the time to take your head out of the sand.

The world is far from ideal, and yes I find this hard to believe that gardai basically tortured a guy. Tried to open a wound and generally fcuked him about.

I would bet he was non complying in this and they had to use force to restrain him.

As far as Wheelock goes, he killed himself, sure there were "systematic failures" but he made that choice.

TheZohanS

Eva Glamorous Minus wrote: »

And the gardai were diciplined for what?

It doesn't say- so any claims made would be pure speculation.

The dude was arrested in a stolen vehicle then hung himself, tragic, but he was a criminal.

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sam34 wrote: »

an assault


what is detailed in your op are mr x's allegations of what happened in teh course of that assault

True. But is assault not a criminal offence?

minidazzler

Eva Glamorous Minus wrote: »

True. But is assault not a criminal offence?

It never said it was an assault.

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minidazzler wrote: »

It never said it was an assault.

Yo mini, do you live in a bubble?

minidazzler

Eva Glamorous Minus wrote: »

Yo mini, do you live in a bubble?

No, in fact I know that cops do step outside the line sometimes, go just a little too far, but this sounds like Bull. My own brother got a good going off 2 cops before, a bit excessive. But it's not something that happens all that often.

It said they were disciplined, never said what for. Show me the actual report and stop relying on conjecture.

I like to have proof of wrongdoing TBH.

sam34

Eva Glamorous Minus wrote: »

True. But is assault not a criminal offence?

yes it is, i never claimed otherwise

but it is not torture

a file went to teh DPP, who decided not to prosecute, as he often does for various reasons

the gardai involved were disciplined

Slugs

sam34 wrote:

there's a difference between what the public are interested in and what is in teh public interests to know

And don't you think it should be the publics decision to decide which...?

minidazzler

Slugs wrote: »

And don't you think it should be the publics decision to decide which...?

Not exactly.

If the report was released names and all saying, "Garda Joe Mahoney allegedly beat the living sh1t out of Mr. Scummy McScummerson"

You would be sure to have every scummer that knows of the story to make the same allegations.

sam34

eh, no

the public will be interested in lots of things that are actually quite personal and should remain confidential, but their interest is purely for titillation, sensationalism and downright nosiness

i'm happy for an independent body to decide what aspects of this report are genuinely in the public interest

Slugs

I understand your point on privacy and false allegations, but who's to be on this independent body? and what's to say that this independent body will remain independent...

sam34

Slugs wrote: »

I understand your point on privacy and false allegations, but who's to be on this independent body? and what's to say that this independent body will remain independent...

conspiracy theories is thata way

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Slugs

sam34 wrote: »

conspiracy theories is thata way

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*picks up tinfoil hat*

And before I go... When the molestation charges were brought to members of the gardai, was it not brought forward that they covered up these abuses. Now if they covered up church abuses, you don't think they'll cover up their own.

As well as that, for someone to think that people don't get a little roughed up from time to time in a station is along the same lines as thinking a doorman is only having a few words with the guy he's dragging outside. At the end of the day, sometimes there's a need to "rough someone up", but there's a difference between that and assault. I know it's too early make a call on this case, but just for future thoughts

*throws hat in the fire and closes door behind*

Theta

Slugs wrote: »

*picks up tinfoil hat*

And before I go... When the molestation charges were brought to members of the gardai. Now if they covered up church abuses, you don't think they'll cover up their own.

As well as that, for someone to think that people don't get a little roughed up from time to time in a station is along the same lines as thinking a doorman is only having a few words with the guy he's dragging outside. At the end of the day, sometimes there's a need to "rough someone up", but there's a difference between that and assault. I know it's too early make a call on this case, but just for future thoughts

*throws hat in the fire and closes door behind*

You forgot your coat!!!

Slugs

Theta wrote: »

You forgot your coat!!!

Whoops. Cheers! :P

donvito99

Don't care to be honest. The Gardaí were cleared, good enough for me.

Oh and OP, I'm not related to a Guard, and I don't go to Trinity, before you ask.