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  • 20-04-2010 9:38pm
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,896 ✭✭✭


    hi lads, a friend i shoot with applied for a rifle, he said he didnt need a mod when he applied for the gun, but he got loads of permissions with rabbits so he wants to apply for a mod now, does he need to pay 80 euro again, whats the way to apply


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,034 ✭✭✭✭It wasn't me!


    Yeah, effectively you're now applying for a licence for the moddy, which is a firearm, legally speaking, so it's another €80 as far as I can see.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 269 ✭✭theirishguy


    jap gt wrote: »
    hi lads, a friend i shoot with applied for a rifle, he said he didnt need a mod when he applied for the gun, but he got loads of permissions with rabbits so he wants to apply for a mod now, does he need to pay 80 euro again, whats the way to apply
    i was going to do the same thing. i was told that i had to fillout the fca 1 form again and pay the €80 again. but do i have to hand up my rifle?(sorry for stealing your thread)


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,726 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    jap gt wrote: »
    ................., does he need to pay 80 euro again, ............

    Yes. For the reasons IWM said.
    .........whats the way to apply

    FCA1. Fill it in again with all the details and tick the mod box. Have a chat with the FO while or after filling it in and before submitting it. You should not have to give photos, GP details, referees, etc, etc.

    The FCA2 is only for amending firearm or personal detail errors, it cannot be used to "add" a mod to a license.
    but do i have to hand up my rifle?

    No. Of course not. You have been licensed already to own/possess and carry the firearm. The mod is seperately licensed/evaluated even though (if successful) you will receive a new license with the magic S in the left corner. This signifies a license for both the firearm stated on the licene and the mod for that firearm.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭underthetumb


    what if you change calibres e.g .243 to .270,
    is it a straight substitution +80 euro fee. sorry for veering off the thrad


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,726 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    No.

    A substitution is like for like caliber. Some lads will tell you how they changed different calibers in a subtitution, but under the letter of the law a like for like caliber can be subtituted, anything else requires a new application.
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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,112 ✭✭✭freddieot


    I disagree - just changed a 6.5 to a 308

    In the past - a 243 to a 6.5, a 6mmBR to a .223.

    There is nothing in the law that I can see which maintains that it must be same calibre for same calibre. It does say 'like for like' and 'similar' but calibre is not mentioned.

    What is like for like - well : Bolt Action Unrestricted Target Rifle for Bolt Action Unrestricted Target Rifle.

    Similar does not mean 'identical'.

    Things are tight enough without adding our own conditions to the process or putting the Guidelines into law ourselves the way some districts seem to be doing.

    However, a semi automatic .308 would probably not be like for like for a Savage F/TR for example, unfortunately :D


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 216 ✭✭underthetumb


    i would presume it depends on fo, am callin into him tmw,
    will let you know how i get on


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,590 ✭✭✭Tackleberrywho


    freddieot wrote: »
    I disagree - just changed a 6.5 to a 308

    In the past - a 243 to a 6.5, a 6mmBR to a .223.

    There is nothing in the law that I can see which maintains that it must be same calibre for same calibre. It does say 'like for like' and 'similar' but calibre is not mentioned.

    What is like for like - well : Bolt Action Unrestricted Target Rifle for Bolt Action Unrestricted Target Rifle.

    Similar does not mean 'identical'.

    Things are tight enough without adding our own conditions to the process or putting the Guidelines into law ourselves the way some districts seem to be doing.

    However, a semi automatic .308 would probably not be like for like for a Savage F/TR for example, unfortunately :D

    I changed a 6.5 for a .308 2 years ago no issue and a .222lr for a .223. But that was the old system:pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 11,393 ✭✭✭✭Vegeta


    I applied for my licenses with the box ticked for a silencer and they came without the beloved "S" on them.

    I rang the FO who put me in touch with the Clerk who was unbelievably professional and helpful. He told me what the Super requested to grant permission to use a silencer, I went and did all of this and met the Super.

    Clerk took my old licenses and I got new ones in the post (free of charge) a few days later with the "S" on them

    So I don't know how he did it but there is a system in place to amend licenses to add a silencer

    But in your friends case OP I'd say the single best course of action is call in and ask how the FO thinks it is best to proceed. Best case scenario the license is amended like mine was, worst case is a new application and 80 euro.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 28,726 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cass


    freddieot wrote: »
    I disagree - just changed a 6.5 to a 308

    In the past - a 243 to a 6.5, a 6mmBR to a .223.

    I knew this would come up. I never said it couldn't be done. I myself have had a .243 changed to 6.5 then to .308 all as substitutions. All under the old system. Under the new one my father changed his 6.5 to a .308, done as a substitution. It really does depend on the FO. My FO seems to apply alot of common sense, so when i change one target rifle for another target rifle of almost similar caliber he knows what they are for and changes them for me. Others can and will demand a new application.
    There is nothing in the law that I can see which maintains that it must be same calibre for same calibre. It does say 'like for like' and 'similar' but calibre is not mentioned.

    No it doesn't. It says............
    [FONT=Calibri,Bold][FONT=Calibri,Bold]
    11.[/FONT][/FONT](1) Subject to subsection (3) of this section, the Minister or the
    commissioner may substitute for the description of a firearm in a firearm
    certificate granted by him or her
    (2006 54) the description of another firearm and,
    upon such substitution, the certificate shall have effect in relation to that other
    firearm and shall not have effect in relation to the first-mentioned firearm.

    What it does is leave it specifically vague so other external conditions may be applied, which over the years have become "like for like".
    Similar does not mean 'identical'.

    Of course not. Why change one rifle/gun for a newer version of the exact same firearm. Variety is the spice of life.
    Things are tight enough without adding our own conditions to the process or putting the Guidelines into law ourselves the way some districts seem to be doing.

    I am not saying this to try and impose a new system or make sure everyone gets caught for the €80 each change. Its already happening, regardless of the sclae of it. Its been drummed into us for years and while no real legal standings its accepted as such.

    Again do as you wish. If you get them changed without a new application i am genuinely pleased for ye and wish you all the best of luck. I hate to see lads getting stung for €80 each time they change their firearms. All i'm saying is be prepared if some districts do insist on a new application. You could fight it and win, but most people's attitude would be to just pay the money for an easy life.

    Just my opinion on the matter.
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