Airtricity 11 vs Man. Utd - **MOD NOTE POST 457**

How Soon Is Now

In reply to Madworld who post on the page before which i cant get on to now for some reason *Im in work blame them *

Yes i would consider myself a big football fan i am following the sport since i was bout 7 im 24 now. I played soccer when was younger and played GAA football i played in croke park *Off topic i know* i love anything football.

Ive never been to any united games but i rarely miss seeing there matchs does this make me less of a fan??
No i dont think it does i would love to go see them play every weekend or close enough to that. But i dont always have money time or similar reasons next season i intend on tryin see couple games as its something i have wanted do for years but it always got put aside.

So really i dont consider myself less of a fan just cause i have not been to there games if they were in Ireland id be at every game i could be.

See theres life outside of sport ya know other things go on as well but i will nearly always make sure i see United play weather its tv internet or even when i was real hard up in me days without sky and internet i listened to them on radio.

MuPpItJoCkEy

Madworld wrote: »

So would you consider yourself to be in the same bracket of "fan" as somebody who goes to see their team home and away be it domestically or in Europe?

I think a fan knows he's a fan with how he feels about his team in his heart and the sport in general.

Some call themselves fans for the wrong reason.

They go to the matches because the enjoy the piss up more than the match.
They go to the matches to create agro.

These are people who I wouldn't rate highly as fans (as many of you wouldn't either I am sure).

Now why I am saying a fan knows he's a fan because of the way he feels is because you can have 2 people who both feel the same way about a club.

One goes to all the matches and one doesn't but they both love the club as much as the other does. The reasons behind the fan who loves the club as much as the other but doesn't go might be because he has other things to do like look after family or work. I consider them both fans equally. I wouldn't rank one above the other.

Now if you have somebody who doesn't have anything else to do and has been offered umptine chances to go to matches but couldn't be bothered, I wouldn't exactly say he is the biggest fan.

Not sure if I am explaining myself well here.

How Soon Is Now

MuPpItJoCkEy wrote: »

I think a fan knows he's a fan with how he feels about his team in his heart and the sport in general.

Some call themselves fans for the wrong reason.

They go to the matches because the enjoy the piss up more than the match.
They go to the matches to create agro.

These are people who I wouldn't rate highly as fans (as many of you wouldn't either I am sure).

Now why I am saying a fan knows he's a fan because of the way he feels is because you can have 2 people who both feel the same way about a club.

One goes to all the matches and one doesn't but they both love the club as much as the other does. The reasons behind the fan who loves the club as much as the other but doesn't go might be because he has other things to do like look after family or work. I consider them both fans equally. I wouldn't rank one above the other.

Now if you have somebody who doesn't have anything else to do and has been offered umptine chances to go to matches but couldn't be bothered, I wouldn't exactly say he is the biggest fan.

Not sure if I am explaining myself well here.

Nah your right mate perfect i agree with you fully.

grames_bond

Why do so many f*cking threads turn into a LOI vs EPL pissing contest, its f*cking headwrecking by this stage! Look everyone has the right to support whatever team they want, its their decision, their loyalty and their money to do with whatever they please! NO ONE can claiom to be "more of a fan" than anyone else today!

who do you support??
you are a "true fan"......simple!

'sigh' sorry about that im just fed up with it.....right i would love to go to this game but id say tickets wont be eay to come by!

Madworld

angerfist2009 wrote: »

In reply to Madworld who post on the page before which i cant get on to now for some reason *Im in work blame them *

Yes i would consider myself a big football fan i am following the sport since i was bout 7 im 24 now. I played soccer when was younger and played GAA football i played in croke park *Off topic i know* i love anything football.

Ive never been to any united games but i rarely miss seeing there matchs does this make me less of a fan??
No i dont think it does i would love to go see them play every weekend or close enough to that. But i dont always have money time or similar reasons next season i intend on tryin see couple games as its something i have wanted do for years but it always got put aside.

So really i dont consider myself less of a fan just cause i have not been to there games if they were in Ireland id be at every game i could be.

See theres life outside of sport ya know other things go on as well but i will nearly always make sure i see United play weather its tv internet or even when i was real hard up in me days without sky and internet i listened to them on radio.

You still havnt answered my question. Would you consider yourself to be within the same sort of catagory of United fan as one who goes to every home and away match?

And would you mind answering me as to what makes certain fans more dedicated than others?

Madworld

grames_bond wrote: »

Why do so many f*cking threads turn into a LOI vs EPL pissing contest, its f*cking headwrecking by this stage! Look everyone has the right to support whatever team they want, its their decision, their loyalty and their money to do with whatever they please! NO ONE can claiom to be "more of a fan" than anyone else today!

who do you support??
you are a "true fan"......simple!

'sigh' sorry about that im just fed up with it.....right i would love to go to this game but id say tickets wont be eay to come by!

Theres no pissing contest involved. Your right everybody has the right to support whomever they wish. To use another analogy everybody has the right to support a racist party. Its their right. It doesnt make it right though.

And again I ll ask you would you consider yourself to be as dedicated a fan of your EPL team as one who goes to every European game?

bohsman

grames_bond wrote: »

Why do so many f*cking threads turn into a LOI vs EPL pissing contest, its f*cking headwrecking by this stage!

'sigh' sorry about that im just fed up with it.....right i would love to go to this game but id say tickets wont be eay to come by!

In fairness it is an LOI v EPL match.

Have no interest in going to the game and highly doubt any Bohs players will be released.

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bohsman wrote: »

Have no interest in going to the game and highly doubt any Bohs players will be released.

...and then all the mouthbreathers will be on moaning "the players on the ALXI were focking shoite loike, glad oi don't go to the games".

The FAI really haven't thought this one through at all.

How Soon Is Now

Madworld wrote: »

You still havnt answered my question. Would you consider yourself to be within the same sort of catagory of United fan as one who goes to every home and away match?

And would you mind answering me as to what makes certain fans more dedicated than others?

I would say a fan who goes to every home and away match is a huge follower of the club but also has the chance and time and right circumstances to do all of this. I mean what are you trying to get out of me here ??
Do you just want to hear me say im sorry im not as amazing of a United fan cause i dont go to there games ?? If so good luck with that.

And why does there have to be a ''catagory'' ffs can someone not just folllow a team and support them in there own way with out being ranked?

Madworld

angerfist2009 wrote: »

I would say a fan who goes to every home and away match is a huge follower of the club but also has the chance and time and right circumstances to do all of this. I mean what are you trying to get out of me here ??
Do you just want to hear me say im sorry im not as amazing of a United fan cause i dont go to there games ?? If so good luck with that.

And why does there have to be a ''catagory'' ffs can someone not just folllow a team and support them in there own way with out being ranked?

For the third time could you put yourself into the same catagory of a fan as somebody who doesnt miss a home or away match? Its a simple yes or no answer.

And thats a load of crap regarding circumstancess. Circumstances are an excuse for missing some games. Circumstances are not an excuse for having never been at a match of a team you claim to support.

And if everybody supported Man Utd "in their own way" like you do you think their would be a Man Utd?

Madworld

Des wrote: »

...and then all the mouthbreathers will be on moaning "the players on the ALXI were focking shoite loike, glad oi don't go to the games".

The FAI really haven't thought this one through at all.

Or the FAIlure have thought this through and they simply couldnt give a s**t.

Mitch Connor

Madworld wrote: »

And if everybody supported Man Utd "in their own way" like you do you think their would be a Man Utd?

Quite clearly...yes.

Everyone does support them in their own way, and United exist.

How Soon Is Now

Madworld wrote: »

For the third time could you put yourself into the same catagory of a fan as somebody who doesnt miss a home or away match? Its a simple yes or no answer.

And thats a load of crap regarding circumstancess. Circumstances are an excuse for missing some games. Circumstances are not an excuse for having never been at a match of a team you claim to support.

And if everybody supported Man Utd "in their own way" like you do you think their would be a Man Utd?

I answered your ****ing question in first place i am not puttin any fans in any catagory cause thats bollox there are fans who go and do everything to do with there club thats fine then there are fans who do things other ways thats fine. Why should i say ahh im not in same bloody catagory as these super fans cause i do things different?
So are u tellin me that every united fan on the planet follows united ''The right way'' cause hate break to you but id say there are more fans who have never seen a game then ones who have.

doncarlos

grames_bond wrote: »

Why do so many f*cking threads turn into a LOI vs EPL pissing contest, its f*cking headwrecking by this stage! Look everyone has the right to support whatever team they want, its their decision, their loyalty and their money to do with whatever they please! NO ONE can claiom to be "more of a fan" than anyone else today!

who do you support??
you are a "true fan"......simple!

'sigh' sorry about that im just fed up with it.....right i would love to go to this game but id say tickets wont be eay to come by!

Lol it was angerfist that brought the whole "real fan" thing up then he goes and thanks you when you complain about it.

MuPpItJoCkEy

angerfist2009 wrote: »

I answered your ****ing question in first place i am not puttin any fans in any catagory cause thats bollox there are fans who go and do everything to do with there club thats fine then there are fans who do things other ways thats fine. Why should i say ahh im not in same bloody catagory as these super fans cause i do things different?
So are u tellin me that every united fan on the planet follows united ''The right way'' cause hate break to you but id say there are more fans who have never seen a game then ones who have.

I agree.

Buying a jersey/scarf/mug,tshirt is already supporting the team and showing that you consider yourself a fan.

When United played friendlys in Africa and the grounds were packed inside and outside, some of these people adore United and it was their one chance of getting to see their hero's playing so people supporting their team one way or another and I would call these fans. Some of the people over there will never ever get to see whoever they support if it's a team in a different country but they are still fans. Some may never even get a jersey or merchandise in general and yet this team that they like and try and see how they are doing whenever they get a chance whether it's daily, weekly or monthly, if that is their favourite team, then they are fans whether they have spent 10s/1002/1000s or beyond, they're still fans, simple.

How Soon Is Now

doncarlos wrote: »

Lol it was angerfist that brought the whole "real fan" thing up then he goes and thanks you when you complain about it.

I was joking about it it was already in this thread anyway i just think whole argument is stupid.

stovelid

Des wrote: »

...and then all the mouthbreathers will be on moaning "the players on the ALXI were focking shoite loike, glad oi don't go to the games"..

Would be nice to see a united front from the AL clubs to piss on the parade and not release any players whatsoever.

That said, its lose-lose, like you say. If they put out a LSL team, the received opinion will just equate the team with LOI anyway.

More and more these days, I'm thinking that the clubs should have revolted and went with Platinum 1, even for a few seasons.

How Soon Is Now

MuPpItJoCkEy wrote: »

I agree.

Buying a jersey/scarf/mug,tshirt is already supporting the team and showing that you consider yourself a fan.

When United played friendlys in Africa and the grounds were packed inside and outside, some of these people adore United and it was their one chance of getting to see their hero's playing so people supporting their team one way or another and I would call these fans. Some of the people over there will never ever get to see whoever they support if it's a team in a different country but they are still fans. Some may never even get a jersey or merchandise in general and yet this team that they like and try and see how they are doing whenever they get a chance whether it's daily, weekly or monthly, if that is their favourite team, then they are fans whether they have spent 10s/1002/1000s or beyond, they're still fans, simple.

Excatly its same for any sport i dont see what this whole arguement is about.

Anyway think we should move on from this.
I wonder if United will play proper first team or close to it?

doncarlos

stovelid wrote: »

More and more these days, I'm thinking that the clubs should have revolted and went with Platinum 1, even for a few seasons.

You mean the clubs that they invited. Platinum one certainly were not the answer with that proposal.

MuPpItJoCkEy

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Excatly its same for any sport i dont see what this whole arguement is about.

Anyway think we should move on from this.
I wonder if United will play proper first team or close to it?

I think it will be a half decent team considering the start of the league won't be too far off. Depends also on how teams do in the World Cup. I think it's something we'll only know closer to the time. Giggs and Scholes won't be doing much football wise during the summer so maybe they'll be playing. Same for a few others like Berba if he's still around and Fergie might see it as a chance for him to show that he's starting to fire some goals in or some bleedin practice. Gibson should be playing, O'Shea. Could be a decent team out there.

How Soon Is Now

Gibson and o shea are dead certs if there fit.
Same goes for likes of hargreaves id say also.

Would love them to bring over the likes of giggs and scholes but i dunno if rooney will play.
Saying that him alone would be a major draw for alot of people.

Mitch Connor

angerfist2009 wrote: »

Gibson and o shea are dead certs if there fit.
Same goes for likes of hargreaves id say also.

Would love them to bring over the likes of giggs and scholes but i dunno if rooney will play.
Saying that him alone would be a major draw for alot of people.

Given that the game is in August, I would say it is right about the time the full team, including WC players, will be back and training - it isn't too far off the begining of the EPL season, so in terms of players available, I would say mostly every player will be there assuming no injuries.

Pal

p_larkin99 wrote: »

You should be honoured the biggest club in the world are coming to open your stadium. Tickets for this are going to be hell to get hold of

If I get one you can have it.

Ridiculous rubbish matches like this aren't worth watching,
new stadium or not.

There should have been a proper fixture like Rovers v Bohs for the opener.

Or else an Ireland game if they wanted a friendly.

MuPpItJoCkEy

Pal wrote: »

If I get one you can have it.

Ridiculous rubbish matches like this aren't worth watching,
new stadium or not.

There should have been a proper fixture like Rovers v Bohs for the opener.

Or else an Ireland game if they wanted a friendly.

If ya could get 2, I'd take them off ya. If my little fella finds out United are playing/played here and I don't/didn't bring him, I'd never hear the end of it!

Pal

Enjoy.

I'm just really disappointed.

FAI had a great chance to showcase LOI.

Coming round to the conclusion that they just don't care.
But they should.

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Pal wrote: »

Coming round to the conclusion that they just don't care.

It's taken this to make you come to that conclusion?

SantryRed

Do they still not have to be safety matches at half capacity before it opens? Maybe they could still play an LOI match there.

stovelid

Pal wrote: »

Coming round to the conclusion that they just don't care.
But they should.

They are trying to get together a LOI select knowing full well that most clubs can't/won't release players. Meaning that a scratch LOI is on to a certain hiding from an English club. A English club that is one of the biggest competitors to the LOI in this country.

Would any other league in the world so blatantly sell their own league down the river for a few quid?

It's safe to that they they don't care at all.

bohsman

stovelid wrote: »

They are trying to get together a LOI select knowing full well that most clubs can't/won't release players. Meaning that a scratch LOI is on to a certain hiding from an English club. A English club that is one of the biggest competitors to the LOI in this country.

Would any other league in the world so blatantly sell their own league down the river for a few quid?

It's safe to that they they don't care at all.

This. Its got nothing to do with where or why people watch games. Rovers v Bohs would have generated massive amounts of publicity but even Ireland v Man U would have made far more sense than what they went with.

CSF

MuPpItJoCkEy wrote: »

Sorry, maybe I was a bit confusing there.

I used the example to say if the 2 matches where being playing at the same time on the same day, I know who he would prefer to see and that would be Man United.

Actually, I'd say that if parents were to ask their kids in general, what game they would rather see, I would think that most of them would go for the bigger sounding match and unfortunately the LoI games aren't the bigger sounding games to our kids.

I think that most parents might agree if they are honest enough. If a poll was put up where parents asked their kids the same question and the parents honestly put in the correct vote, I'm sure that most young kids would rather go see the bigger names playing and the poll would reflect that.

Sure as a footballer, you want to be playing against the best and show what you can do against the best and people who want to watch football, they want to see the best players playing.

Isn't that why we'll be watching the likes of Messi, Ronaldo, Rooney, Ribery, Drogba and the rest at the World Cup.

Genuinely think that its just a case of exposure. If you were to start bringing him to a particular LOI team's games, and show your own interest in that club with him as a pair, he'd quickly become more interested in that. In the end, he is a Man United supporter because you are, if you were a Fulham supporter, he'd have no interest in Rooney & co, and would be worshipping Dempsey, Duff and Zamora. And I'm saying this from experience, because my little brother is the exact same age as your son, and he couldn't care less about the Premiership, gravitates slightly more towards La Liga, because I do, but realistically he just wants to be at Tolka on a Friday night.

I'm not telling you you're doing wrong or anything, don't take it as preaching. I'm just pointing out that it really isn't a case of him recognizing the standard of the United lads, and more him following in your footsteps, and that in reality if you started bringing him to support a LOI team regularly, thats exactly what he'd be wanting to do for the rest of his life, much cheaper for you too.