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  • 16-04-2010 9:09am
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    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,393 ✭✭✭


    Marcus from pix.ie is running an opportunity for us (the pix.ie client base) to shape new features which will be added to pix.ie

    It was posted over on twitter and on the pix.ie boards forum so for those of you not on twitter or that didn't catch the post on the pix.ie forum, you might like to partake in the poll;

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055883932

    Only takes 2 minutes.
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Comments

  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,281 ✭✭✭Ricky91t


    *cough* full size image protection *cough* :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone


    I filled out the form yesterday. Would be great to see it expanded with more features, I find Pix a little bare compared to flickr. It needs groups and discussion within the site, I didn't even know there was a forum!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,565 ✭✭✭✭Tallon


    It needs all them features tbh.... I personally think the most important feature needed is a messaging system... Not everyone on there is on boards and as easy to contact as we're all used to


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,706 Mod ✭✭✭✭humberklog


    I WANT SPARKLEY SHINEY GIFFS!!!! NOW!!!!!!









    Thank god there wasn't an option....phew.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 26,458 ✭✭✭✭gandalf


    Well if they organise some sort of importation tool from Flickr I'll move over. Moving over 1250 shots will be a pain in the nads otherwise!!


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,268 ✭✭✭trooney


    Tallon wrote: »
    It needs all them features tbh.... I personally think the most important feature needed is a messaging system... Not everyone on there is on boards and as easy to contact as we're all used to

    I don't use flickr. But whenever I browse through any photos there I find it to be very cluttered by comparison. I don't think it needs everything on the list. Certainly there are good few features there which would go some way to improving (an already good) functionality. But I'd hate to see it go the way of flickr and become ugly and cluttered and nasty.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,281 ✭✭✭Ricky91t


    As far as I know flickr won't give them an API key for importing photos... Cause it's not exactly a benefit to flickr...

    And these were all suggested by people on twitter so many or may not be possible!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone


    I don't get why some find Flickr cluttered? It's a pretty basic layout, even with add ons like Patr. I find it pretty clean and easy to navigate, the discussion groups are there but not in your face. You only find them if you want them.

    Pix often feels like a lonely place if you're not getting comments. At times it feels like there's little point uploading to it, if there were groups for certain cameras/styles you'd certainly get more input.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,268 ✭✭✭trooney


    I don't get why some find Flickr cluttered? It's a pretty basic layout, even with add ons like Patr. I find it pretty clean and easy to navigate, the discussion groups are there but not in your face. You only find them if you want them.

    Pix often feels like a lonely place if you're not getting comments. At times it feels like there's little point uploading to it, if there were groups for certain cameras/styles you'd certainly get more input.

    Flickr is cluttered by comparison with pix.ie, I think most would agree.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone


    But that's because Pix.ie is so bare i think. It feels like there's something missing whenever I'm on there. Mainly interaction, the only way is to comment on people's images.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,714 ✭✭✭DaireQuinlan


    trooney wrote: »
    Flickr is cluttered by comparison with pix.ie, I think most would agree.

    I think you'd find as many people disagreeing. I hate the pix.ie interface, it's far too busy with large coloured bars and candy coloured buttons all over the place. Flickrs interface is far more spare and text based. Of course it's all just horses for courses at the end of the day ...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,689 ✭✭✭joeKel73


    I much prefer the sharpness of the resized images on Flickr... Pix.ie seems a bit soft...


  • Hosted Moderators Posts: 4,948 ✭✭✭pullandbang


    I personally prefer Pix.ie over flickr mainly because it's Irish based and you can relate most of the photos and the photographers. If the powers that be can add even some of the suggestions that are being voted on, then it will be an even better site than it is now.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭artyeva


    I think you'd find as many people disagreeing. I hate the pix.ie interface, it's far too busy with large coloured bars and candy coloured buttons all over the place. Flickrs interface is far more spare and text based. Of course it's all just horses for courses at the end of the day ...

    i say the same thing every time this ''isn't pix.ie the best thing since sliced bread'' debate come up.... NO IT ISN'T!!!! As Daire says it's way too busy - makes my eyes hurt. If someone here has linked to a pix.ie image 9 times out of ten i won't even bother clicking. i do understand that a lot of peeps here want to support what marcus et al are doing cause it's Oirish and we should support our own etc etc ad nauseum... and isn't it great that we have access to the founders of the site and back slappety back slappety... but i can't support something that makes my retinas bleed everytime i look at the damn thing, sorry!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone


    It doesn't look THAT bad!

    I do think the ones who only post on Pix are a bit stubborn about it, when Flickr is definitely better. It gets your stuff out there Internationally, you don't just want to be seen by your Irish counter-parts.

    Though there is of course a lot of nonsense on flickr, it's a great site in general. Just stick to the decent groups you actually have some interest in or relate to.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 22,565 ✭✭✭✭Tallon


    Only took one page for this thread to turn into a flame war.... :rolleyes:

    So getting back to the original question, what features do you think should be ahead of others?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone


    Flame war? :confused:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,281 ✭✭✭Ricky91t


    I'd quite like to see an iPhone/iPod touch app!

    If pix.ie don't get round to one I might give it a shot, Some time during my time at college :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,131 ✭✭✭oshead


    Tallon wrote: »
    Only took one page for this thread to turn into a flame war.... :rolleyes:

    So getting back to the original question, what features do you think should be ahead of others?

    I agree. This is not about weather flickr is better or worse than pix or viceversa. It's about what new features you'd like to be added to pix.

    A couple of features come to mind for me.

    1) Replace image would be nice.
    2) Recently voted images.
    3) Edit comments
    4) Some group features.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,137 ✭✭✭artyeva


    Tallon wrote: »
    Only took one page for this thread to turn into a flame war.... :rolleyes:

    So getting back to the original question, what features do you think should be ahead of others?

    hardly a flame war :rolleyes:

    anyhoo -> if pix.ie are looking to introduce new features in order to expand their usage then i for one vote for making the whole site less cluttered.

    did i not say that?! :D


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone


    I use both, so obviously would like to see Pix improved. It is far from perfect, it's pretty rough around the edges, but there's a solid site to build on for sure. You should join as many photo-sites as possible I believe.

    Don't see any harm in comparing them, they're always going to be no matter what.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭charybdis


    I think you'd find as many people disagreeing. I hate the pix.ie interface, it's far too busy with large coloured bars and candy coloured buttons all over the place. Flickrs interface is far more spare and text based. Of course it's all just horses for courses at the end of the day ...

    I think this is the most salient complaint about pix.ie. Every page on pix.ie has a huge percentage of elements, colours, buttons, stats, lists, etc., vying for the user's attention, most of which aren't directly related to the photographs. Even the blossoming album javascript view thing, it's an example of poor information architecture when using a website to view photographs is like playing a video game. Flickr, on the other hand, while not being perfect and also having more facilities and options than you would realistically need, typically only gives you what you essentially need on each page you're looking at; often by just managing the chrome around the photographs a little better they can present a much cleaner view and obvious hierarchy to the page.

    I suspect a lot of the design decisions for pix.ie were heavily based on the idea of the having the trappings of contemporary "2.0" websites as opposed to actually designing to the needs of the user. I'm not suggesting pix.ie copy Flickr outright, but I think Flickr gets a lot of these problems solved in the best way I've seen and differentiating yourself by being worse is hardly a reasonable proposition.

    That said, this is all obviously just my opinion, and if it works for you then, by all means, continue in the manner to which you have become accustomed. It would be interesting, however, to hear the opinions of anyone using pix.ie who is not a boards.ie user and not Irish/living in Ireland; I couldn't really see how it would be an attractive service for anyone in this case.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,570 ✭✭✭sNarah


    I mentioned this on the Pix poll as well, I would like to see visible comments on the email notifications, sort of same way the boards notifications come in. It's makes reading through the comments a lot easier, rather than having to click every link, load the image and read the comments.

    Otherwise, I sort of agree with what is mentioned here above.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,714 ✭✭✭DaireQuinlan


    Tallon wrote: »
    Only took one page for this thread to turn into a flame war.... :rolleyes:

    So getting back to the original question, what features do you think should be ahead of others?

    Nah, it's hardly a flame war. Yet. :)

    People have been saying this since its inception though, I remember Marcus polling boards for comments when the site was launched, and a pile of people commenting on the UI and general L&F of the site. Its also one of the options on the poll that's been posted now, so presumably they're aware that it puts some people off.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,067 ✭✭✭AnimalRights


    charybdis wrote: »

    That said, this is all obviously just my opinion, and if it works for you then, by all means, continue in the manner to which you have become accustomed.
    Whoo-hoo I can continue using it!
    Ur such a snob!!!
    Go on admit it, pixie is too working class for you!!

    I guess I am at the other spectrum to you, I hate flickr, everything about it, I won't even view peoples pictures on it, hard to put my finger on it but I just think its too sticky to use compared to Pixie, Pixie is a good plain and easy to use for people without plums in their mouths. :pac:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭charybdis


    Whoo-hoo I can continue using it!
    Ur such a snob!!!
    Go on admit it, pixie is too working class for you!!

    I guess I am at the other spectrum to you, I hate flickr, everything about it, I won't even view peoples pictures on it, hard to put my finger on it but I just think its too sticky to use compared to Pixie, Pixie is a good plain and easy to use for people without plums in their mouths. :pac:

    Ah yes, the age-old idea that good design is somehow inherently not for the proletariat. How, exactly, have I suggested that I am in any way that I am not working-class or opposed to the advancement of the working-class?

    Also, I find it hypocritical that you're accusing someone of being a snob before announcing your absolute refusal to use a service on the grounds that you "hate" it for unknown reasons.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,281 ✭✭✭Ricky91t


    charybdis wrote: »
    Ah yes, the age-old idea that good design is somehow inherently not for the proletariat. How, exactly, have I suggested that I am in any way that I am not working-class or opposed to the advancement of the working-class?

    Also, I find it hypocritical that you're accusing someone of being a snob before announcing your absolute refusal to use a service on the grounds that you "hate" it for unknown reasons.

    I find it hard to read anyone's post on a forum when that person has put a link in their sig to show that boards.ie has invalid XHTML, It's seems quite rude that you'd happily use the service but make a point( a joke even) that's it's not valid.. Why?

    If you're going to do that on a site you're an active member of, Any of your comments on pix.ie aren't going to be the most positive of comments..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭charybdis


    Ricky91t wrote: »
    I find it hard to read anyone's post on a forum when that person has put a link in their sig to show that boards.ie has invalid XHTML, It's seems quite rude that you'd happily use the service but make a point( a joke even) that's it's not valid.. Why?

    If you're going to do that on a site you're an active member of, Any of your comments on pix.ie aren't going to be the most positive of comments..

    What do you think the link in my signature means, beyond a statement of fact?

    Furthermore, the reason I am critical of anything like this is that I see potential or use in it. I don't waste my time in being critical of things I have no interest in.

    I am also a member of pix.ie and I feel my thoughts on the site are informed by my membership and use of the site.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,281 ✭✭✭Ricky91t


    charybdis wrote: »
    What do you think the link in my signature means, beyond a statement of fact?
    It just seems that you'd like to point out very pointless details on a site that you're happily using and it seems rude.
    Furthermore, the reason I am critical of anything like this is that I see potential or use in it. I don't waste my time in being critical of things I have no interest in.
    From your post's you made it seems like you merely visited the site and were so off putted by their 'web 2.0' look that you left the site there and then.
    I am also a member of pix.ie and I feel my thoughts on the site are informed by my membership and use of the site.

    Sorry for that I was unaware..

    This made me think you weren't a member..
    That said, this is all obviously just my opinion, and if it works for you then, by all means, continue in the manner to which you have become accustomed.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,393 ✭✭✭AnCatDubh


    SOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO........................


    BACK ON TOPIC FOLKS PLEEEAAASSSSEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE................

    (sorry for raising the tone of the chat there folks - just making a point)

    Actually, can people please put their thoughts on the poll link in the opening post to make sure your voice is heard.

    Don't really matter whether pix.ie is as good as flickr or not in terms of what is being sought.

    Thank you folks. Normal service now resumes.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,510 ✭✭✭sprinkles


    Protection for full sized images would be nice.
    iPhone app would be great but it's not critical to the service.
    An iPhoto/Aperture upload facility would be great - at the minute I have to export to a separate folder from these apps and then upload from the browser - the Picasa upload add-on for iPhoto works a treat.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,756 ✭✭✭Thecageyone


    The whole full size, freely available thing on pix makes me wary too. Unlike Flickr, where they will only make available full size if you want it to be.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,193 ✭✭✭nilhg


    Proper groups, reading tags (keywords) from exif and a Lightroom to pix.ie plugin would be a good start IMHO.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,393 ✭✭✭AnCatDubh


    The whole full size, freely available thing on pix makes me wary too. Unlike Flickr, where they will only make available full size if you want it to be.

    Don't be so sure - If I want (and its not that i'm a genius or anything) I can get at any size of any image on flickr up to the original size, and sometimes the original size too. All they do is mask the size to a discernible filename which a little browser plug in interprets and gives the option of looking at any size that you want.

    Best way whether pix.ie or flickr imho (albeit it mightn't be what you want to do) is to upload only images of a particular size (800px max for example) to the service. Then no one can possibly get at any image size larger than what you've uploaded.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭Marcus


    Great to see the passion is alive and kicking! Its very encouraging to see such debate about Pixie. We can't and won't try and please everybody...

    Daire (sorry to pick on you!) loves Flickr look and feel and hates the Pixie look and feel and has been saying so since the beginning. Should we try to change the way Pixie looks in order to try and attract Daire and pals? We simply don't think so... What would all the people who love the Pixie look and feel say? One person's like is another person's dislike, that's the world we live in.

    The photo album viewer is another example of this. The ONE thing I am told time and time again is "I absolutely love the photo album flower thingy". If I had a euro for each time I've heard that from people I meet at events I'd be a very rich man. So is charybdis right by saying:
    charybdis wrote: »
    Even the blossoming album javascript view thing, it's an example of poor information architecture when using a website to view photographs is like playing a video game.
    If there is one company that is leading the field in information architecture it's Apple... now go and have a look at their new iPad photo album viewer. Is charydbis right or wrong? It really doesn't matter. Enough people like it for us to continue using it.

    So to get back on topic. This thread is about what improvements you would like us to do next as we are now in a position to look at making some of those improvements happen.

    Looking at the results of the poll, it's clear that the top 3 features that people would like to see now are:
    • Drag and Drop Organiser
    • High Res Image Protection
    • Mobile Version
    So these are the areas where we are going to make our start. We are also planning on opening up the API for the public as there are a whole bunch of features on that list which could just as easily be implemented by members of the community in the form of 3rd party apps.

    Thanks to everyone who commented here and took the time to answer the poll. It's not too late add your votes (http://poll.fm/1tgkk) or leave a comment about something you'd like to see which is not mentioned.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,281 ✭✭✭Ricky91t


    Great to see the passion is alive and kicking! Its very encouraging to see such debate about Pixie. We can't and won't try and please everybody...

    Daire (sorry to pick on you!) loves Flickr look and feel and hates the Pixie look and feel and has been saying so since the beginning. Should we try to change the way Pixie looks in order to try and attract Daire and pals? We simply don't think so... What would all the people who love the Pixie look and feel say? One person's like is another person's dislike, that's the world we live in.

    The photo album viewer is another example of this. The ONE thing I am told time and time again is "I absolutely love the photo album flower thingy". If I had a euro for each time I've heard that from people I meet at events I'd be a very rich man. So is charybdis right by saying:

    If there is one company that is leading the field in information architecture it's Apple... now go and have a look at their new iPad photo album viewer. Is charydbis right or wrong? It really doesn't matter. Enough people like it for us to continue using it.

    So to get back on topic. This thread is about what improvements you would like us to do next as we are now in a position to look at making some of those improvements happen.

    Looking at the results of the poll, it's clear that the top 3 features that people would like to see now are:
    • Drag and Drop Organiser
    • High Res Image Protection
    • Mobile Version
    So these are the areas where we are going to make our start. We are also planning on opening up the API for the public as there are a whole bunch of features on that list which could just as easily be implemented by members of the community in the form of 3rd party apps.

    Thanks to everyone who commented here and took the time to answer the poll. It's not too late add your votes (http://poll.fm/1tgkk) or leave a comment about something you'd like to see which is not mentioned.

    If that does go ahead that would be great! :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 802 ✭✭✭charybdis


    I like the website and think it gets a lot of things right (particularly the URL structure) and I didn't mean to say any one particular element was particularly bad, it just seems like the design (and even the premise for this thread/poll) is mostly determined by tacking on additional features of questionable relevance, or - if you will - bloat.

    And, before anyone attempts a barely-literate and moronic slight against my character, please bear in mind that I'm offering feedback that is entirely within the scope of this thread.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭Marcus


    charybdis wrote: »
    I like the website and think it gets a lot of things right (particularly the URL structure) and I didn't mean to say any one particular element was particularly bad, it just seems like the design (and even the premise for this thread/poll) is mostly determined by tacking on additional features of questionable relevance, or - if you will - bloat.
    Persoanlly I actually agree with you on some of these issues. There are many areas where we don't properly optimise on use of space.
    charybdis wrote: »
    And, before anyone attempts a barely-literate and moronic slight against my character, please bear in mind that I'm offering feedback that is entirely within the scope of this thread.

    All feedback is important and negative feedback is in my opinion always more important than positive feedback. We've always valued the negative feedback and on many occassions made changes accordingly.

    The mobile app is likely going to be a complete rewrite of the front end and having a new UI architecutre will allow us a lot more flexibility. The plan is to then port the existing UI across and in doing so make changes that will certainly clean things up. Daire might even be impressed ;)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,031 ✭✭✭Marcus


    For those who are interested I've posted an update regarding the changes at Pixie in our forum:

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?p=65913353

    :)


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 13,772 ✭✭✭✭thebaz


    I'd like more control over albums - be able to move certain albums to first page - also be able to move order of pics around in an album , its nice to put an order to pics rather than by upload time , which is random

    just a few thoughts


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,067 ✭✭✭AnimalRights


    The order of pics in an album is a good one alright.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 9,313 ✭✭✭Mycroft H


    I'd love a cleaner interface. I find pix.ie to be be quite cluttered


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 2,852 ✭✭✭Hugh_C


    I hate flickr, everything about it, I won't even view peoples pictures on it

    ?

    Strikes me as cutting off your nose to spite your face.

    Yeah, large image protection is an imperative.


  • Moderators, Education Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 10,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭melekalikimaka


    I havea pix and a flickr... tried to get into pix, dunno what it is bout it, it all seems like alot of hassle to upload compared to flickr, maybe its cos im flickr pro, unlimited upload and what not, its just i have over 1k of images, to use pix would take a while, the flickr - pix tool has been mentioned before, i've seen bebo to file applications... flickr to pix transfer wouldnt be a messy one would it? maybe when the api frees up people will pop some good stuff up for pix, an uploader too would be divine


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