God dates fags

greyed

So as it says here, and other places, we will get to vote on the ridiculous blasphemy law introduced by the government we know and love. Unenforced and mocked as it was...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLn4t9y0FY0

...it's still entirely inappropriate for a "developed" country. And so, even though this place would be slightly biased :pac: im still interested in getting some figures... will you vote yes to removing references to blasphemy from our constitution and increasing our secular status (still more work to be done here), or no?

Which leads to another question, why not go further and add to the docket? If we are a developed country, why not put an end to discrimination and remove some other references from our constitution... like gender. How would you vote to redefine marraige, in a de facto gay rights vote? Yes, or no?

I think these two subjects are linked by the same underlying conservative opposition factor, but I wonder to what extent they would overlap.

starbelgrade

The proposed blashemphy law would be a joke, if it were even mildly amusing. I can't see it being passed, but then again, when it comes to matters of democracy & elections, I'm usually voting on the losing side.

I'd like to see civil partnerships for gay & lesbian couples in Ireland, but I'd be very doubtful that Ireland has come out that far from under the Catholic stone, that it would happen any time soon.

After all, it's the gays that caused the kiddie fiddling.

orourkeda

Will we be allowed to draw cartoons of allah without muslims issuing death threats against us?

Princess Consuela Bananahammock

orourkeda wrote: »

Will we be allowed to draw cartoons of allah without muslims issuing death threats against us?

Yes, but no priests doing altar boys. Altar girls, yes, but not boys.

orourkeda

starbelgrade wrote: »

The proposed blashemphy law would be a joke, if it were even mildly amusing. I can't see it being passed, but then again, when it comes to matters of democracy & elections, I'm usually voting on the losing side.

I'd like to see civil partnerships for gay & lesbian couples in Ireland, but I'd be very doubtful that Ireland has come out that far from under the Catholic stone, that it would happen any time soon.

After all, it's the gays that caused the kiddie fiddling.

Fine. Let them marry their brains out. What about adoption.

Lets be honest, what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid with two daddies.

I'm not pro or anti gay, just stating a potential side effect

orourkeda

Ikky Poo2 wrote: »

Yes, but no priests doing altar boys. Altar girls, yes, but not boys.

Thats a criminal offence too regardless of whether we have blasphemy laws in place or not.

greyed

starbelgrade wrote: »

The proposed blashemphy law would be a joke, if it were even mildly amusing. I can't see it being passed, but then again, when it comes to matters of democracy & elections, I'm usually voting on the losing side.

I'd like to see civil partnerships for gay & lesbian couples in Ireland, but I'd be very doubtful that Ireland has come out that far from under the Catholic stone, that it would happen any time soon.

After all, it's the gays that caused the kiddie fiddling.

Umm, its already in effect, since the new year :P

I wonder about gay marraige, I think with the catholic church shooting itself in the foot so much lately, people might pay less attention to its dogma.

With regards to gay adoption, I dont think two dads would leave a kid in a worse off situation than one dad, or one mom, which happens all the time. There are "gender influences" lacking in many irish families anyway. Theres always the school thing alright, but if we're going to move forward as a society, it has to start with the young, right?... Educate them.

landsleaving

orourkeda wrote: »

Fine. Let them marry their brains out. What about adoption.

Lets be honest, what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid with two daddies.

If gay and lesbian couples were allowed to enter mainstream society in terms of marriage and adoption, then it wouldn't take long for it to be normal.

Just because some kids, and more importantly the parents who raise them, are closed minded bigots, doesn't mean that gay people should be denied the right to a family. They have as much ability to raise a decent member of society as anyone else. Some will, some will fail spectacularly. Just like straight couples and single mothers and fathers.

bertie4evr

Did you catch the guy at the bottom left at the start of the video?

rainbow kirby

greyed wrote: »

Which leads to another question, why not go further and add to the docket? If we are a developed country, why not put an end to discrimination and remove some other references from our constitution... like gender. How would you vote to redefine marraige, in a de facto gay rights vote? Yes, or no?

The blasphemy law is absolutely ridiculous and needs to go. There's no place for it in a modern secular society.

Would also vote in favour of gay civil marriage.

I'd also like to see the preamble to the constitution removed or changed... this is just silly.

In the Name of the Most Holy Trinity, from Whom is all authority and to Whom, as our final end, all actions both of men and States must be referred,

We, the people of Éire,

Humbly acknowledging all our obligations to our Divine Lord, Jesus Christ, Who sustained our fathers through centuries of trial,

AnonoBoy

'Best Before Nov 2012'

That kind of thing?

fend

blasphemy law? Seems to me its being introduced so there's no more slagging off the church/priests over the recent controversies...

So what? We don't speak of it it goes away?:rolleyes:


We're being punished for telling the truth... Ha! Some religion :rolleyes:

Give it a while longer, and people will eventually tire of the catholic church and its daft presumptions. Gays are the cause of the kiddy fiddling? Blame everyone else but themselves if you ask me.

I'm a heterosexual female and I'm all for gay marriage. Lets just all be happy and get on with life.

starbelgrade

orourkeda wrote: »

Fine. Let them marry their brains out. What about adoption.

Lets be honest, what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid with two daddies.

I'm not pro or anti gay, just stating a potential side effect

Worst case scenario.. kid of 2 gay parents is getting hassle off other kid - other kid says, "My Da hates gays - he says he'd kill them all if he got the chance". Kid responds, "Yeah, well my da will f*ck your dad up the ass before he gets the chance".

AnonoBoy

fend wrote: »

blasphemy law? Seems to me its being introduced so there's no more slagging off the church/priests over the recent controversies...

I actually doubt that.

Anyway - aren't we supposed to be having a referendum about the blasphemy law?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/15/ireland-referendum-blasphemy-law

ascanbe

The blasphemy law is, indeed, ridiculous and it's good to see people protest it; still, this video kinda reminded me of this:

http://www.theonion.com/articles/noncontroversial-controversial-christ-painting-under-fire-from-a,308/

greyed

rainbow kirby wrote: »

The blasphemy law is absolutely ridiculous and needs to go. There's no place for it in a modern secular society.

Would also vote in favour of gay civil marriage.

I'd also like to see the preamble to the constitution removed or changed... this is just silly.

Agreed. Also, do away with clauses that prevent athiests from becoming a judge or president!

AnonoBoy wrote: »

I actually doubt that.

Anyway - aren't we supposed to be having a referendum about the blasphemy law?

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/mar/15/ireland-referendum-blasphemy-law

Ahm, yes... see OP

ScumLord

Whats the name of the song in the video?

greyed

ScumLord wrote: »

Whats the name of the song in the video?

Ballad of Jaysus Christ - Paul Woodfull

ascanbe

ScumLord wrote: »

Whats the name of the song in the video?

Sounds like a 'Ding Dong Denny O'Reilly' number.

ascanbe

greyed wrote: »

Ballad of Jaysus Christ - Paul Woodfull

Paul Woodfull, i think, is behind the 'Ding-Dong Denny O'Reilly' character; i'm assuming he's performing it under that name. Think he had an album out of similar stuff.

AnonoBoy

greyed wrote: »

Ahm, yes... see OP

Ah yes. Indeed.

My man servant that reads threads for me has been less than up to the task lately. My apologies.

PeterIanStaker

the very notion of a Blasphemy Law is ridiculous.



However, there are going to be Christotaliban like Cóir, David Quinn, Iona Institute et al in shrill opposition to any form of progress. They'll employ the usual scare tactics, maybe putting up posters saying it'll lead to children being aborted, conscripted, adopted by gay married couples and then aborted again.



Never underestimate stupidity and certain people's willingness to be led by the nose.




I hope this passes, but I could nearly see it being 49/51 like the Divorce Referendum in the 1990's, due to the sticks in the mud we have in this country, and I'm sure the RCC will hamfistedly and clumsily stick its oar in and dictate to people what to do, how to vote, desperately clinging on to their influence, which is dwindling alright, but not as fast as I'd like.

pickarooney

orourkeda wrote: »

Will we be allowed to draw cartoons of allah without muslims issuing death threats against us?

I often wonder how they recognise him in the cartoons if they've never seen his face before.

Wazdakka

pickarooney wrote: »

I often wonder how they recognise him in the cartoons if they've never seen his face before.

I think they could recognize the bomb

doncarlos

landsleaving wrote: »

Just because some kids, and more importantly the parents who raise them, are closed minded bigots, doesn't mean that gay people should be denied the right to a family. They have as much ability to raise a decent member of society as anyone else. Some will, some will fail spectacularly. Just like straight couples and single mothers and fathers.

Jasus you must have went to a great school as people in my school completely ripped the piss out of each other. I can only imagine what it would have been like for a kid with gay parents. I'd actually say most kids and teenagers are biggeted to an extent. Thankfully most grow out of it.
I don't think it's right for gay parents to adopt as I don't think it's in the best interest of the child. The rights of the child are more important than gay people's rights to a family.

Reflector

doncarlos wrote: »

Jasus you must have went to a great school as people in my school completely ripped the piss out of each other. I can only imagine what it would have been like for a kid with gay parents. I'd actually say most kids and teenagers are biggeted to an extent. Thankfully most grow out of it.
I don't think it's right for gay parents to adopt as I don't think it's in the best interest of the child. The rights of the child are more important than gay people's rights to a family.

As an Irish citizen I rate my relationship to be equal with all others. By saying that a child shouldn't be adopted by a gay family is homophobic as you are saying that it is an unfit environment for the child. How would you feel if you were told you are not allowed adopt as you are deemed unfit to parent because of your sexuality. Its the bullying that should be dealt with, not reduce the rights of citizens. Why does the school yard dictate policy anyway.

Prof.Badass

Blasmphemy law is an affront to freedom of speech.

Rather than legalising gay marraige, state recognition of marraige should be abolished imo (it should be a personal thing).

Also, i find it interesting that you mention gender equality but then go on to specify gay marraige. I would see men's lack of rights over their own children as a much larger gender-equality based injustice tbh.

doncarlos

Reflector wrote: »

As an Irish citizen I rate my relationship to be equal with all others. By saying that a child shouldn't be adopted by a gay family is homophobic as you are saying that it is an unfit environment for the child. How would you feel if you were told you are not allowed adopt as you are deemed unfit to parent because of your sexuality. Its the bullying that should be dealt with, not reduce the rights of citizens. Why does the school yard dictate policy anyway.

I haven't stated that someone sexuality would deem them an unfit parent.
I feel that a child should be adopted into as normal an environment as possible. Same sex relationship or single parent is not an ideal environment to be adopted into in my opinion.

Xluna

Marriage yes,adoption hhmmm.

Prof.Badass

Reflector wrote: »

As an Irish citizen I rate my relationship to be equal with all others. By saying that a child shouldn't be adopted by a gay family is homophobic as you are saying that it is an unfit environment for the child. How would you feel if you were told you are not allowed adopt as you are deemed unfit to parent because of your sexuality. Its the bullying that should be dealt with, not reduce the rights of citizens. Why does the school yard dictate policy anyway.

I don't think it's the government's place to stop a member of any group from adopting children. However, if a private adoption agency wants to specialise in finding traditional families for children i don't think the government has any right to force them to change their policy. Simmilarly, if the birth parents have any wishes regarding the type of family they want their child raised in, i think they should be respected.

eightyfish

orourkeda wrote: »

Lets be honest, what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid with two daddies.

what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid with only a mammy?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid with obease parents?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid of immigrant parents?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the black kid?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the asian kid?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the poor kid?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid from a traveller background?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid from a privileged background?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid with a disability?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid with unemployed parents?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid born with a silver spoon?
what the hell is a normal kid?

Ghost Train

whats with all the polls

doncarlos

Ghost Train wrote: »

whats with all the polls

Stealing our jobs and our women!!!

orourkeda

landsleaving wrote: »

If gay and lesbian couples were allowed to enter mainstream society in terms of marriage and adoption, then it wouldn't take long for it to be normal.

Just because some kids, and more importantly the parents who raise them, are closed minded bigots, doesn't mean that gay people should be denied the right to a family. They have as much ability to raise a decent member of society as anyone else. Some will, some will fail spectacularly. Just like straight couples and single mothers and fathers.

This is the way people are unfortunately. In an ideal world what you state would be the norm. However, in the real world the offspring of same sex couples will be tormented. Its not particularly pleasant but it is a fact of life i'm afraid.

orourkeda

eightyfish wrote: »

what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid with only a mammy?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid with obease parents?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid of immigrant parents?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the black kid?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the asian kid?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the poor kid?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid from a traveller background?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid from a privileged background?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid with a disability?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid with unemployed parents?
what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid born with a silver spoon?
what the hell is a normal kid?

There you go. Proves my original point. Now just add the kid with the gay parents to the list.

DonkeyStyle \o/

greyed wrote: »

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rLn4t9y0FY0

First few seconds are great... so typical of Dublin that you can't tape something outdoors without the sound of some fúcking prick's alarm going off.

orourkeda

starbelgrade wrote: »

Worst case scenario.. kid of 2 gay parents is getting hassle off other kid - other kid says, "My Da hates gays - he says he'd kill them all if he got the chance". Kid responds, "Yeah, well my da will f*ck your dad up the ass before he gets the chance".

Says the rapist to the gay basher

Dave!

Ghost Train wrote: »

whats with all the polls

Only one way to answer that question...

eightyfish

orourkeda wrote: »

There you go. Proves my original point. Now just add the kid with the gay parents to the list.

If you think that proves your original point then you are missing the point.

humanji

orourkeda wrote: »

There you go. Proves my original point. Now just add the kid with the gay parents to the list.

So you want to ban instead of educate? Sure isn't that what the blasphemy law is all about, stopping discussion and education on a subject in order to hope it all goes away?

Xluna

orourkeda wrote: »

This is the way people are unfortunately. In an ideal world what you state would be the norm. However, in the real world the offspring of same sex couples will be tormented. Its not particularly pleasant but it is a fact of life i'm afraid.

Exactly. Lets get real. Any kid in this country would be torn to shreads for having gay foster parents,even in a non knacker school,far more than for being fat or poor. Is it worth allowing a child to be traumatised by scumbags just to make a political point?

orourkeda

humanji wrote: »

So you want to ban instead of educate? Sure isn't that what the blasphemy law is all about, stopping discussion and education on a subject in order to hope it all goes away?

Where did I say ban?

orourkeda

eightyfish wrote: »

If you think that proves your original point then you are missing the point.

My original point was that any kid adopted by gay parents is likely to be subjected to homophobic abuse. This is a fact whether we care to admit it or not. You list several circumstances where school kids are likely to be abused. It's your list. On it are circumstances of racism, sexism, anti-traveller sentiment and financial snobbery. Would your be really surprised to see homophobia added to this list. This simply helps justify my initial point.

Cunny-Funt

Totally for removal of all religious influence in politics and the running of the country.

I'm for gay marriage too.

The subject of adoption is a little iffy for me , its naturally better for a kid to be brought up in a male and female - father mother environment, rather then two dads or two mams. & that gay couples might be a little selfish in that regard, however I don't think it should be against the law for gay couples to be allowed to adopt either. As that would be illogical, otherwise single parents shouldn't be allowed to adopt either.

I just think in terms of adoption a male female parent couple should be given preference over same sex couples. However same sex couples should be given preference over single parent adoptions.


PS

I'm not even talking about any 'abuse' a kid might get for being raised by a gay couple. Thats not the issue imo.

Mushy

Xluna wrote: »

Exactly. Lets get real. Any kid in this country would be torn to shreads for having gay foster parents,even in a non knacker school,far more than for being fat or poor. Is it worth allowing a child to be traumatised by scumbags just to make a political point?

It would eventually be classed as somewhat, if not totally, normal for someone to have same-sex parents. The slagging would eventually disappear as people would be educated, and would accept the norms. Just because its the norm now to slag gays(can't think of better phrasing:o), the seriousness of it would go away. The only people who would continue it on past a reasonable age would be exactly the type of aforementioned bigots which we could easily live without.

Xluna

Mushy wrote: »

It would eventually be classed as somewhat, if not totally, normal for someone to have same-sex parents. The slagging would eventually disappear as people would be educated, and would accept the norms.

This is most likely true. But it would take a long time for this to happen. A childs mind is very absorbant. There would be kids who'd be really hurt by the abuse. It's a question of whether the end justifies the means.
IMO,if you really love a child you'd sacrafice your own happiness so they would'nt be subjected to abuse.

Dave!

Xluna wrote: »

This is most likely true. But it would take a long time for this to happen. A childs mind is very absorbant. There would be kids who'd be really hurt by the abuse. It's a question of whether the end justifies the means.
IMO,if you really love a child you'd sacrafice your own happiness so they would'nt be subjected to abuse.

Would you have applied the same logic to mixed race couples having kids?

Xluna

Dave! wrote: »

Would you have applied the same logic to mixed race couples having kids?

If racism was as big a problem as homophobia then yes. But it is'nt. Sure most kids in "disadvantaged areas" idolise black rappers. It's practically seen as cool to be black,however, try going to Ballymun ect and proclaiming yourself as gay and see what happens.

eightyfish

orourkeda wrote: »

My original point was that any kid adopted by gay parents is likely to be subjected to homophobic abuse. This is a fact whether we care to admit it or not. You list several circumstances where school kids are likely to be abused. It's your list. On it are circumstances of racism, sexism, anti-traveller sentiment and financial snobbery. Would your be really surprised to see homophobia added to this list. This simply helps justify my initial point.

I'm surprised at having to explain this - I thought it was obvious. The whole point of the list was that every kid nowadays has things that they could be bullied about. Having gay parents is just one of many. I am not saying that homophobic bullying is different to any of these, I am saying exactly the opposite. You said “what normal kid wants to be known in school as the kid with two daddies.”

I am saying that there is no such thing as a “normal kid”. Every kid has circumstances that can be picked on. Saying a kid could be bullied is one of the weakest arguments against gay marriage I have ever heard

Dave!

Xluna wrote: »

If racism was as big a problem as homophobia then yes. But it is'nt. Sure most kids in "disadvantaged areas" idolise black rappers. It's practically seen as cool to be black,however, try going to Ballymun ect and proclaiming yourself as gay and see what happens.

It's not anymore Guess why? Because of things like mixed couples getting together and adopting kids. Because it became normalised.

I'm sure some kids got bullied along the way, that's sad. But the world is a better place for it.

hobochris

Imo, its not a matter of if gay marriage and adoption is introduced, its when, The sooner the better we get this petty non issue out the way so all in our society are treated as equals.

I cant wait to be invited to a gay wedding between two queen type gay men, The queens tend to go over the top anyway so I'd say a wedding between two queens will be an experience not to be missed