Metallica Superthread -All Metallica discussion goes in here

Ash.J.Williams · 07-03-2021 9:46am

Mental Mickey wrote: »

I meant as in a straightforward heads down thrash album

It’s a little more than that

Mental Mickey · 07-03-2021 4:02pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

It’s a little more than that

10 songs in 28 minutes vs 8 songs in 40 plus minutes says different.

There are a lot of different textures on MOP.

Ash.J.Williams · 07-03-2021 5:34pm

Mental Mickey wrote: »

10 songs in 28 minutes vs 8 songs in 40 plus minutes says different.

There are a lot of different textures on MOP.

Bollox

Wanderer78 · 07-03-2021 5:43pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Bollox

far better musicianship also, even though theres nothing wrong with slayers work, they were exceptional at what they done

Ash.J.Williams · 07-03-2021 5:50pm

Wanderer78 wrote: »

far better musicianship also, even though theres nothing wrong with slayers work, they were exceptional at what they done

All I said was up as far as 89 90 the gap wasn’t as big as it is now , since that post I’ve had to defend RIB

Church on Tuesday · 07-03-2021 9:17pm

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

Wow I haven't heard lars play that well in years, fair play to him.

Lars has been pretty solid for the last 7 odd years now TBH. He was very sloppy from around 2004 to 2012ish but clearly must be practicing more regularly these days.

The man was always a decent drummer, just the whole Napster hate and then him readily admitting he didn't really practice around the era I've mentioned above has mostly lead to the "Lars is a crap drummer" meme you see all the time online.

Lithium93_ · 07-03-2021 9:21pm

Being off the road may prove to be a good thing for Lars, IF he can get regular practice in these days.

Ash.J.Williams · 07-03-2021 10:06pm

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Being off the road may prove to be a good thing for Lars, IF he can get regular practice in these days.

Lockdown has proven how right lars was fighting Napster , some top musicians are currently earning nothing

Degag · 07-03-2021 10:31pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Lockdown has proven how right lars was fighting Napster , some top musicians are currently earning nothing

Heard Lars may have to sell another painting alright:pac:

Sephiroth_dude · 08-03-2021 12:29am

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Lars has been pretty solid for the last 7 odd years now TBH. He was very sloppy from around 2004 to 2012ish but clearly must be practicing more regularly these days.

The man was always a decent drummer, just the whole Napster hate and then him readily admitting he didn't really practice around the era I've mentioned above has mostly lead to the "Lars is a crap drummer" meme you see all the time online.

In the 80's he was one of the best thrash drummers around and unjustice imo is his best work, I've definitely noticed him improving the last couple of years, he's seems to have gone back and learned the songs properly instead of adding in weird fills that don't fit.

Mental Mickey · 08-03-2021 1:41am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

All I said was up as far as 89 90 the gap wasn’t as big as it is now , since that post I’ve had to defend RIB

No need to defend it. It's a brilliant album in its own right, all I'm saying is that MOP is a far more diverse, rounded piece of work.

Church on Tuesday · 08-03-2021 1:51am

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

In the 80's he was one of the best thrash drummers around and unjustice imo is his best work, I've definitely noticed him improving the last couple of years, he's seems to have gone back and learned the songs properly instead of adding in weird fills that don't fit.

Yeah, as a drummer myself, he was one of my big influences growing up and he is for many. Lars has some great drum parts throughout Metallica's catalogue, so I have always found that meme pretty amusing.

I think he started to take the foot off the pedal around the Black album era, still solid, but maybe a bit more loose and then around the mid 00s he got sloppy. If you don't practice drums regularly, you lose that bit of finesse, the muscle memory (for the most part) will still be there but you literally will be out of drumming shape if that makes any sense.

Those odd drum fills are the sure sign of a player that simply doesn't remember the part he/she is playing so you improv. Not good.

I think the lack of partying he does these days has helped also.

Wanderer78 · 08-03-2021 6:35am

Ash.J.Williams wrote:

Lockdown has proven how right lars was fighting Napster , some top musicians are currently earning nothing

Completely agree with this, I wasn't particularly happy about the whole Napster thing at the time, but over time I've realised he was absolutely right, he always said it was about protecting artists and their income stream, and time has proved he was right, artists are getting screwed in this digital age

Lithium93_ · 08-03-2021 6:41am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Lockdown has proven how right lars was fighting Napster , some top musicians are currently earning nothing

Easy now to say with what 20/21 years of hindsight, but they were slaughtered for it at the time... Lo and behold...

You'd have to wonder, had the demo version of I Disappear not wound up on Napster, would things have turned out as they are now? Or would there have been a different outcome...

S.M.B. · 08-03-2021 9:57am

Not sure I fully understand the 'Lars was right' sentiment.

I would have thought that the current streaming model is also a massive factor when it comes to musician's earnings these days and from my understanding Lars is pretty chummy with Spotify founder Daniel Ek.

Wanderer78 · 08-03-2021 10:02am

S.M.B. wrote: »

Not sure I fully understand the 'Lars was right' sentiment.

I would have thought that the current streaming model is also a massive factor when it comes to musician's earnings these days and from my understanding Lars is pretty chummy with Spotify founder Daniel Ek.

the fact that he was one of the few that seen the potential serious negatives for all artists, in particular younger up coming ones, is something to be respected, he always used this argument from the beginning, and he was right

Ash.J.Williams · 08-03-2021 10:18am

S.M.B. wrote: »

Not sure I fully understand the 'Lars was right' sentiment.

I would have thought that the current streaming model is also a massive factor when it comes to musician's earnings these days and from my understanding Lars is pretty chummy with Spotify founder Daniel Ek.

metallica's revenue stream is self managed, nothing to worry about. the majority of other metal bands are screwed.

Ash.J.Williams · 08-03-2021 10:19am

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Easy now to say with what 20/21 years of hindsight, but they were slaughtered for it at the time... Lo and behold...

You'd have to wonder, had the demo version of I Disappear not wound up on Napster, would things have turned out as they are now? Or would there have been a different outcome...

i said the same thing when it happened

Ash.J.Williams · 08-03-2021 10:21am

Sephiroth_dude wrote: »

In the 80's he was one of the best thrash drummers around and unjustice imo is his best work, I've definitely noticed him improving the last couple of years, he's seems to have gone back and learned the songs properly instead of adding in weird fills that don't fit.

flemming rasmussen is afraid to touch the original reels of RTL and MOP as he is afraid they'll disintegrate as there is so many drum edits

S.M.B. · 08-03-2021 10:34am

Wanderer78 wrote: »

the fact that he was one of the few that seen the potential serious negatives for all artists, in particular younger up coming ones, is something to be respected, he always used this argument from the beginning, and he was right

That's fair enough. There's no denying that Napster and the dawn of file sharing at scale on the internet led to a devaluation of music which has had a massive impact on young and up coming artists and Lars was front and centre of that battle in the early days.

Wanderer78 · 08-03-2021 10:38am

S.M.B. wrote: »

That's fair enough. There's no denying that Napster and the dawn of file sharing at scale on the internet led to a devaluation of music which has had a massive impact on young and up coming artists and Lars was front and centre of that battle in the early days.

he could foresee the potentials of its dangers, most didnt, including myself

Ash.J.Williams · 08-03-2021 10:49am

one result of demonetarization of music is there are no more rockstar excess stories

band biographies from now on will be mental health dominated and no more snorting ants off breasts while getting a bj from a 6ft.5 trans sex robot while getting your taint tickled by a dwarf

i saw a band interview on the dire RTE show "other voices" and the band kept talking about their "squat" after the 5th mention of it the presenter asked "you have a squat?"

turns out it's a name they have for the shed in their mothers garden

Wanderer78 · 08-03-2021 10:52am

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

one result of demonetarization of music is there are no more rockstar excess stories

band biographies from now on will be mental health dominated and no more snorting ants off breasts while getting a bj from a 6ft.5 trans sex robot while getting your taint tickled by a dwarf

i saw a band interview on the dire RTE show "other voices" and the band kept talking about their "squat" after the 5th mention of it the presenter asked "you have a squat?"

turns out it's a name they have for the shed in their mothers garden

at least some artists are starting to realise how significant maintaining well being is in such an environment, but that environment is what it is, so stories of excess will probably always exist in it

Sephiroth_dude · 08-03-2021 12:53pm

Church on Tuesday wrote: »

Yeah, as a drummer myself, he was one of my big influences growing up and he is for many. Lars has some great drum parts throughout Metallica's catalogue, so I have always found that meme pretty amusing.

Not really a meme but I always found this amusing

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPH45lcobTU

Ash.J.Williams · 17-03-2021 7:09pm

Just watched a cliff interview and he pronounced Samhain as “saw-win” which closer to the Irish pronunciation than any other American attempts “Sam-hane”

CrabRevolution · 17-03-2021 7:23pm

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Just watched a cliff interview and he pronounced Samhain as “saw-win” which closer to the Irish pronunciation than any other American attempts “Sam-hane”

I remember watching QI and they said Earth has an orbiting asteroid named after an Irish king called "Crew-ith-nee". It baffled me a bit as that didn't sound Irish at all. It turned out it's called Cruithne ("Crih-neh" would be an english approximation). I hope someone pulled Stephen Fry up on that butchery of the Irish language when he was on Ros na Rún a few years later.