Metallica Superthread -All Metallica discussion goes in here

devildriver

This is an an interesting watch for anyone interested in the idea of a "for hire" musician. I think it's on Netflix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvOuSC4kZbY

And just to ensure we're "on topic" Jason Newsted is in it!

PTH2009

devildriver wrote: »

This is an an interesting watch for anyone interested in the idea of a "for hire" musician. I think it's on Netflix.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WvOuSC4kZbY

And just to ensure we're "on topic" Jason Newsted is in it!

very good watch

Alice Cooper comes off well while Billy Joel comes off as a prick

briany

A lot of these session musicians are really talented, but a band's about more than being the best collection of players you can find. It's about personality and chemistry and history. This is a subject relevant to Metallica in that there are consistent calls from a small-but-vocal subset of Metallica fans to ditch Kirk and/or Lars. It might be better, musically, if you did replace those guys, but it wouldn't be Metallica, just a musical entity legally entitled to operate under that name.

Dravokivich

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

What if yourself and myself cowrote a few songs as a band with ozzy under the name ozzy. No agreements on paper just split evenly... But in the background the manager had all rights and publishing filed under "ozzy"... 20 years later they stop paying you, can you prove you wrote anything?


The absolutey solid bass and drums in the smiths thought they were in the smiths until the split then finding out legally they were in the Morrissey /Marr band which was hard on them

The understanding was that such copyright is meant to be applied automatically. Courts can be full of he said / they said stuff. So not too sure how it plays out in practice. Its been the reason why system of a down didn't do anything new when they started touring again.

mean gene

jack presley wrote: »

They might not be your cup of tea but Ghost are far from nobodies.

I reckon they’re going to be massive by the end of next year.

Fair play I heard them and I think their awful-hoping someone good gets added to this

Ash.J.Williams

mean gene wrote: »

Fair play I heard them and I think their awful-hoping someone good gets added to this

Give them another listen

S.M.B.

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

That's it in a nutshell... All big bands that sold bucket loads before illegal downloads made money, nowadays its penny's from Google.

There still money to be made in sales, publishing and streaming. Sure Metallica are making bucket loads with a loyal fan base and a back catalogue like theirs.

slavetothegrind

S.M.B. wrote: »

There still money to be made in sales, publishing and streaming. Sure Metallica are making bucket loads with a loyal fan base and a back catalogue like theirs.

Yes they do well but how does a new band get to those heights?
And own their publishing and masters.
It was only after the black album that even they were able to buy their own masters back AFAIK
They are in a unique position almost of being entirely in control of their brand.
Streaming does not make money for bands, it might enable them to get ad deals but directly the income is minimal

Ash.J.Williams

slavetothegrind wrote: »

Yes they do well but how does a new band get to those heights?
And own their publishing and masters.
It was only after the black album that even they were able to buy their own masters back AFAIK
They are in a unique position almost of being entirely in control of their brand.
Streaming does not make money for bands, it might enable them to get ad deals but directly the income is minimal

Yeah it is mental when you think about it, a mate sold feck all albums but had 30000 illegal downloads, life would be different if he got a 5er for each

slavetothegrind

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Yeah it is mental when you think about it, a mate sold feck all albums but had 30000 illegal downloads, life would be different if he got a 5er for each

Decent bragging rights though!:)

Ash.J.Williams

slavetothegrind wrote: »

Decent bragging rights though!:)

Not really.... Wasn't a great time to spend money on a producer

slavetothegrind

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Not really.... Wasn't a great time to spend money on a producer

Ah bollix. Well at least he went for it, imagine he didn't! it would always be at him.
Hope he's in a good place now.

Ash.J.Williams

slavetothegrind wrote: »

SO you form a band, decide all equal split on everything, everyone contributes what the can and any money earned after expenses equally divided.
All good so far.
First album done and support tour, goes pretty well there is SOME money coming in.

Now the drummer doesn't like setting up so he has that done for him and he is always late. He played on the album but EXACTLY the parts YOU wrote on ezdrummer when you wrote the song with the singer.
He disappears at teardown after minimal work and is a generally lazy git even if he is funny and a good hang.

Are you still cool watching him get the same as your hard working, promoting, booking, PA rigging, writing self?

It definitely has changed the majority of bands once the money comes in.

and next thing ya know the singer wants a 20ft ramp

S.M.B.

slavetothegrind wrote: »

Yes they do well but how does a new band get to those heights?
And own their publishing and masters.
It was only after the black album that even they were able to buy their own masters back AFAIK
They are in a unique position almost of being entirely in control of their brand.
Streaming does not make money for bands, it might enable them to get ad deals but directly the income is minimal

Streaming may have it's issues and this probably more apparent when it comes to smaller bands but my post was in reply to a comment that said "All big bands that sold bucket loads before illegal downloads made money, nowadays its penny's from Google". Big bands still make a lot of money from streaming. The amount of money that was floating around the music industry in the 90s was absurd so it may not reach those heights again but I believe things are lot better now than they were 10 years ago.

Streaming has completely changed the industry, partially for the better and partially for the worse. I don't think it's destroyed the industry though. Not yet anyway, the whole thing may have to reinvent itself again in another 10 years.

RayCon

Ash.J.Williams wrote: »

Yeah it is mental when you think about it, a mate sold feck all albums but had 30000 illegal downloads, life would be different if he got a 5er for each

Even before the internet, never mind streaming, artists never got $5 per album sold. I think I remember reading years ago that Michael Jackson got $0.80 per copy of Thriller sold (which is still $0.80 X 30million or whatever).

ozzy jr

RayCon wrote: »

Even before the internet, never mind streaming, artists never got $5 per album sold. I think I remember reading years ago that Michael Jackson got $0.80 per copy of Thriller sold (which is still $0.80 X 30million or whatever).

66 million claimed sales :eek: 47 million verified :eek: :eek: That's a lot of 80 cents. (Wikipedia)

glucifer

So The stadium stage - which I'm sure is what they'll use for Slane - famously has no roof on it. I know it's on in June but it's on in June in IRELAND! I saw some vids where they had to stop one gig for an hour while they built some kind of perspex box around the drums. Weather for GnR last year rained literally all day until GnR were about to come on

Jayesdiem

glucifer wrote: »

So The stadium stage - which I'm sure is what they'll use for Slane - famously has no roof on it. I know it's on in June but it's on in June in IRELAND! I saw some vids where they had to stop one gig for an hour while they built some kind of perspex box around the drums. Weather for GnR last year rained literally all day until GnR were about to come on

Sure it’ll be grand

Lithium93_

Interview with David Fricke about ...And Justice For All, David did the band's first feature for Rolling Stone magazine.

mloc123

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Interview with David Fricke about ...And Justice For All, David did the band's first feature for Rolling Stone magazine.

Kirk has aged..

PTH2009

mloc123 wrote: »

Kirk has aged..

yeah and James with the beard again

jack presley

I’ve had that Seattle ‘89 gig on repeat since Friday. Sounds so good.

Lithium93_

I've given a lot of attention to The Troubadour gig from May '88.

devildriver

Extensive interview with Jason on pretty much everything!

https://www.metallica.com/so-what-article/2018-11-12-jason-ajfa-interview.html

Pyr0

devildriver wrote: »

Extensive interview with Jason on pretty much everything!

https://www.metallica.com/so-what-article/2018-11-12-jason-ajfa-interview.html

Need to set up an account

Can anyone copy/paste the interview or is it video?

jack presley

Pyr0 wrote: »

Need to set up an account

Can anyone copy/paste the interview or is it video?

It’s free to register

RicketyCricket

That Seattle gig is so good. Would love to have seen them live back then. Hetfields voice is so strong.

Ronan|Raven

RicketyCricket wrote: »

That Seattle gig is so good. Would love to have seen them live back then. Hetfields voice is so strong.

Yup, such power and real emotion behind every word.
Youth and booze.

Lithium93_

All Within My Hands from their All Within My Hands Foundation Helping Hands Concert & Auction from earlier this month.

RicketyCricket

Ronan|Raven wrote:

Yup, such power and real emotion behind every word. Youth and booze.

And that riff at 5.55 on .... And Justice For All, I can't get enough of it. Heavy as ****