Names of the Gen V games announced - Gen V speculation here!

spookymuffin

http://bulbanews.bulbagarden.net/wiki/Pok%C3%A9mon_Black_and_White_Versions_Revealed

So, Black and White. What do you guys think?

I have to say that I really like the names, it feels like a return to form and (even though it's unlikely) I think that it also sounds kind of... final?

I noticed that we also don't seem to have a Gen V speculation thread... So, you know, get speculating!

syncosised

That does sound quite final, but I'm sure they'll continue on anyway! Interesting as the colours are usually related, whereas these are opposites. I don't think it'll really make a difference though. It would be cool if they made the games very different though!

Banjo

I think they'll do the decent thing - scrap the entire 500-ish list of existing pokemon and have 15-20 base types - all of type Normal - that, depending on the moves they learn and the moves they use in battle, will have a number of different possible next evolutions, going through maybe 5 evolutions 'til you end with your final type. I also think there will be a series of spin off games - a street-fighter / Smash bros style brawler, a 5-a-side football game, a cutsey karter, a tennis game etc. - that you can import and export your pokemon from, so the core game allows you to breed and train your characters for the other games, but without the crippling PBR limitation of one-way transfers so the exported pokemon can be re-imported later with skills and abilities they wouldn't otherwise have...

TheChrisD

Wow, they really must have had quite a huge debate over what to name them and not just scrape the proverbial bottom of the barrel...

/sarcasm

BaconZombie

fleeflyfloflum

It does sound final... I do hope not! :eek:

That little fox looks adorable too! And late 2010 is quite early for another installment isn't it?

Gunmonkey

Well Diamond/Pearl/platinum were the last "new" games, seeing as SoulSilver and HeartGold are remakes with a few added extras, so thats over 4 years between DPP and BW. plus this is the japan release, its gonna be at least a year before we get it.

As for how they could evolve the game (I'm hilarious ), i wish they cut out the amount of HM's, yeah they need to be there to give a structure to the game and have areas sealed off until a certain point but do then you need to have 2 dud pokemon in your team to lug them all around. Would be better if say Surf, Waterfall and Whirlpool all fell under one move, but you needed a certain number of badges to use the extra moves over just basic Surf.

meh, more news 15th April, lets wait to see what we will be getting.

Star Lord

Watch in amazement as "Black" outsells "White" by 10-1 :pac:

Buzzthebatgirl

I just when I was having a major crap start to the day with my NTL box not recording Bones for me to watch in the morning, waiting for a letter in the post that didn't arrive, having to jump out of the shower and dress hurridly to answer the doorbell, and have to go to work in a turbo-lame-tastic job for the weekend, Pokémon once again lifts it's ever smiling face and all is well in the world.

My knowledge of written Japanese is craptastic, but I am so importing these.

I can only guess from the title "Black and White Versions" that they are planning to recapture the audience of the original games, like what they are doing with this style of add: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FCDj2PunKWU

cherryghost

DamoElDiablo wrote: »

Watch in amazement as "Black" outsells "White" by 10-1 :pac:

racist :pac:

Atavan-Halen

Edited the title to note the speculation

I'm very excited about this one. Interesting to see what they'll do to improve/enhance Black & White over HG/SS. I assume pokéwalker compatability is a yes also.

Teferi

It doesn't sound final to me. It does sound like a back to basics start, hopefully. I would love if they cut down on the amount of pokemon, didn't introduce too many new ones (less than 20-25).

If they brought it to a whole new part of the world, not just a different region of Japanamon then they could realistically cut down the amont of catchable pokemon and not allow for trade from other gens...

Wobbuffet

This is my guess as to what the games will be like

I think it is same to assume that you will play as a young boy or girl called White (or Black) who wishes to become a Pokemon Master. You will live in a small town next to Professor (tree) who will give you a Pokedex and your first Pokemon which will be either grass, fire or water type.

Professor (tree) will also give a Pokemon to another young trainer called Black (or White). Black (or White) will not be as kind to Pokemon as you are and will become your rival. You will battle Black (or White) on numerous occasions, the last being very close to when you become a Pokemon Master. Black (or White) will admit that you are the better trainer and he/she should be kinder to Pokemon. Black (or White) will have a starter Pokemon that is strong to your type of Pokemon

You will travel the world of (TBC) going to all the towns to fight the eight gym leaders, each who will specialize in one type of Pokemon. Defeating each Gym Leader will give you the right to use a new Hidden Machine to further explore the world. You will be able to use exciting moves such as Fly, Surf, Strenght and even Cut.

Exploring the world of (TBC) you will battle Geodude and Zubat in caves, Tentacools in the water and explore tall grass and discover beasts like Pidgey/Hoothoot/Taillow/Starly. Fish the water for that elusive Magikarp. Battle other trainers you come across and try and beat the 2 unevolved Bug Pokemon they have.

Along the way you will encounter the nefarious Team (TBC) who plan to use the Legendary Pokemon (TBA) to rule the world of (TBC). Without any help ,except from your faithful Pokemon, you will single handedly defeat Team (TBC) and capture the Legendary Pokemon (TBA) for yourself.

Visit the GTS where people all over the world will be queuing up to give you Level 100 Mew, Celebi, Deoxys and Shaymin in exchange for your awesome Venonat, Qwilfish and Finneon. Battle other trainers from all over the world but don't forget the Friend Codes!

Finally you will reach the Elite Four and undertake the battle of your life. But there is one surprise left, as you will then battle the Grand Champion. Who will it be? Black (or White)? Your single parent mom? Professor (tree)? Zorua? Find out in Pokemon Black and Pokemon White

Buzzthebatgirl

OMG CUT? EPIC WIN!

Really though, who gives a toss about the story in the Pokémon games? It's something to keep you interested for the first week or two, then it's the collect every single blighter to have a full 'dex and do mini-quests. Just like every other RPG in the world.

The only difference with Pokémon over other RPGs I have played (Final Fantasy 3+6-9, Breath of Fire, Golden Sun 1+2 are some of the great ones I have played) is that when the story is done and the final boss is beaten, you are done, not much else to do other than level up your same characters and maybe do some mini-quests, but in Pokémon, you can make the best of the best characters ('mon) via breeding, hunting etc.

Find some special moveset no one else has though of. Part take in tournaments with friends and even officially run ones (VGC anyone?). Hunt down an elusive shiny Pokémon. Find a great trade on the GTS and brag about how you got a lv50 Lugia for any Kecleon. Hunt down your own Kangaskan in the Safari Zone and nickname it PINGAS, or whatever.

You'll find with Pokémon even though the story ended at 20 hours, you're still playing it three months later. I'm not bashing other RPGs as I love them as a genre, but most of them suffer from "story over go home peeps" syndrome.

I'm sorry if that sounded too much like a rant

wobbles

online pok-e-tournements baby. Players can enter and battle their way to the top. For the last 64 players, each match is sceduled for a time to be played. Nintendo tournement website with split screen showing players via webcam, and battles as it progresses. All the while the announcer from the cartoon competitions comments on the battle. This happens for Indigo Plateu, Orange Islands etc.

Oh and the third game will be grey, HAS to be. Seems a bit of a step back from ruby/saffire/emerald/gold/silver/diamond/pearl/platnuim, all expensive jewels/metals.

Maybe a step back in time as well with pokemon that became extinct

Wobbuffet

All sarcasm aside, I'd love to see them do something like setting it in the past or in the future. I'd also like to play as someone different. Wouldn't it be cool to play as a Team Rocket Grunt who has to capture Pokemon to keep his job. Or a king who captures Pokemon to amass an army to defend his castle. Anything to break the mould

I also don't want too many new Pokemon, there are enough as it is. And definitely not too many new Legendary Pokemon.

And finally please remove HM's. Pokemon has improved so much over the years but you still have to trawl back to the Pokencenter and swap HM slaves into the party all the time. Even if you could carry redundant HM Pokemon with you all the time in addition to your six battle Pokemon would be an improvement.

wayhey

I'd like them to change the Fire-Water-Grass starters to some sort of new triad. Wouldn't the Orange Islands be a cool background? I'd also like a complete re-haul of the GTS and for the WiFi Connection to be constantly on.

Imagine something with the graphics of Animal Crossing and two people exploring/battling together!

spookymuffin

I have to say that I hope that they don't change too much. I know that the main series Pokemon games are beginning to seem a little stagnant but I would much prefer them to stick with what is good than go totally mad and wreck it.
If they change it to the same degree as the transition between Gen I and Gen II then I would be happy. You know, introducing a lot of cool new stuff while keeping the same basic Pokemon experience.

I will be pissed if they take any steps backward, like getting rid of the animated sprites at the start of battle or removing the walking pokemon feature.

I still want them to introduce the usual 100+ new pokemon but I would like for them to be more "organic" than a lot of the newer Pokemon. I liked when most Pokemon looked like animals and plants rather than robots.
I would also like if they focused on existing Pokemon and evolutionary lines, adding pre-evolutions and evolutions where needed. Miltank and Tauros need a calf pre-evolution to link them, Baby-Kangaskhan needs to be made into a seperate Pokemon as well (being born with a baby already in your pouch is too freaky!). Giving mono-gender species their opposite gender counterparts would be awesome as well.
I just feel that they would be better off expanding on the Pokemon they already have before adding way more.

freyaplus wrote: »

But there is one surprise left, as you will then battle the Grand Champion. Who will it be? Black (or White)? Your single parent mom?

Maybe I'm alone in this but I think it would be the most awesome thing ever if the PC's Mom turned out to be the suprise champion. Seriously, it would be Legendary!

Wobbuffet

The first pictures of the game are here

It's looks nice. Not exactly revolutionary but moving away from the topdown angle gives the area more depth as seen in the pokecentre and town pictures.

Teferi

freyaplus wrote: »

The first pictures of the game are here

It's looks nice. Not exactly revolutionary but moving away from the topdown angle gives the area more depth as seen in the pokecentre and town pictures.

Hmm...At first I didn't like it but then I saw the city picture and figured it was awesome, it really made the city seem huge.

No Pokemon following our hero though. That's very sad. I thought it would be a standard thing following from HS/SS from now on. It makes it seem kind of gimmicky now.

Teferi

A pokemon centre and a mart together? Lazy...

Atavan-Halen

Teferi wrote: »

A pokemon centre and a mart together? Lazy...

Convenient though.

Gunmonkey

spookymuffin wrote: »

I still want them to introduce the usual 100+ new pokemon but I would like for them to be more "organic" than a lot of the newer Pokemon. I liked when most Pokemon looked like animals and plants rather than robots.
I would also like if they focused on existing Pokemon and evolutionary lines, adding pre-evolutions and evolutions where needed. Miltank and Tauros need a calf pre-evolution to link them, Baby-Kangaskhan needs to be made into a seperate Pokemon as well (being born with a baby already in your pouch is too freaky!). Giving mono-gender species their opposite gender counterparts would be awesome as well.
I just feel that they would be better off expanding on the Pokemon they already have before adding way more.

Couldnt agree more, the animals they are using for Pokemon in the recent games have been getting more and more ridiculous and just like random hsapes thrown together. Was just thinking about animals such as:
-bulls, we have Milktank, Tauros is more a buffalo though
-rams, Mareep and Flaffy are nice, have been on a sheep farm for years and yet to see anything apporaching an Ampharos
-goats
-are ther any boar Pokemon??, I know Mankey is a Pig-Monkey (dont want to see how that child was concieved :eek:)
-any hedgehogs...think there is one or two somewhere in the pokedex
-another pair like the Nidorans, and maybe breeding the two final evolutions gives a legendary version of the species

Pics look nice, but just seems like they used the same technique for faux 3D they used for buildings in the recent games. Wonder what it looks like in motion.

spookymuffin

Those pictures look really promising, but I'm not happy about the lack of pokemon following the PC. I can only hope they are planning to add it in later and/or made it optional.

As for having the Pokemon centre and Pokemart in the same building I think that it makes more sense than the previous arrangement. Doesn't really come across as lazy to me.

Gunmonkey wrote: »

-are ther any boar Pokemon??, I know Mankey is a Pig-Monkey (dont want to see how that child was concieved :eek:)

We have Grumpig and Spoink but they're the only pigs that I can think of off the top of my head.

-any hedgehogs...think there is one or two somewhere in the pokedex

I'm pretty sure that Shaymin is the only hedgehog so far. More hedgehogs would be awesome.

Atavan-Halen

Sandslash looks sort of hedgehog-y(?) too.

spookymuffin

Yeah, I guess so. I've always been reminded more of a Pangolin when I look at Sandslash despite the spikes :pac:

A Moose.
Standtler is cool but he could do with a Moose evolution.
Also Piloswine is a Boar.
The Praying Mantis. Scyther doesnt cut it here. XD
Also a Duck billed Platypus.

Theres a reason for the lack of Hedgehogs.
Theres a certain famous blue-hedgehog that Nintendo have a hold on already.

Davidius

Any dolphin Pokémon? Can't think of any immediately.

As for the pics, I like how it looks in the city but most of it seems like perspective change for the sake of making it look different on the same system. I really think they should just leave gen 5 for the 3DS personally.

wayhey

I can't believe the idiots would think of getting rid of the Pokémon following you around...

Atavan-Halen

wayhey wrote: »

I can't believe the idiots would think of getting rid of the Pokémon following you around...

They're very early screenshots so it's still possible that they can add it in.

Although it wouldn't bother me one way or another. We've only ever had pokémon following once before in Yellow so it's not a big thing imo.

Closed ac

Davidius wrote: »

Any dolphin Pokémon? Can't think of any immediately.

As for the pics, I like how it looks in the city but most of it seems like perspective change for the sake of making it look different on the same system. I really think they should just leave gen 5 for the 3DS personally.

Lanturn looks dolphin-ish.

Closed ac

The names sound a little odd, but I'll get used to them I suppose.

So, anyone decided what one they'll be getting yet? :P

Pokemon White for me!

Atavan-Halen

Dunno yet, will have to wait and see what the version exclusives are.

Urizen

Come on Psychic-Fighting-Dark starters...

The new legendaries will be interesting. Gonna be tough to beat the Pokemon that control the concepts of Time and Space. Not to mention Mr. 'I created the world'.

Buzzthebatgirl

DKZ wrote: »

Pokemon White for me!

It's been voted in my gaff that I have to get Pokémon Black

Urizen wrote: »

Come on Psychic-Fighting-Dark starters...

Do you mean this image?

Artist's page

Teferi

I'll end up getting both, I always do. One for proper training, the other I use to mess around, restarting when I get bored etc.

randomuser77

I think I'll hang on a few years for Pokemon Night Black and Sun White

Urizen

Wait, is that image real?! If so, EPIC!!! I was just expressing hope that they'd figure out there was another triangle of types and utilise it, never thought they'd actually do it

randomuser77

Urizen wrote: »

Wait, is that image real?! If so, EPIC!!! I was just expressing hope that they'd figure out there was another triangle of types and utilise it, never thought they'd actually do it

The bottom right corner of that image says (c) 2006. I'm guessing that image relates to Diamond/Pearl.

spookymuffin

Urizen wrote: »

Wait, is that image real?! If so, EPIC!!! I was just expressing hope that they'd figure out there was another triangle of types and utilise it, never thought they'd actually do it

Nope, it's not real. Buzz linked to the artist's DA under the picture.

Edit- Ninja'd

Urizen

Ha, was so excited didn't even see the copyright. Hopes dashed. Damn, it'd be cool though...

Banjo

So the Gengharoo isn't really the male counterpart to the Kangaskahn ? I feel so betrayed.

(Gengharoo is copyright of the Nunberry publishing corporation, 2010 unless someone beat me to it)

Buzzthebatgirl

Urizen wrote: »

Ha, was so excited didn't even see the copyright. Hopes dashed. Damn, it'd be cool though...

It was a hoax made by PurpleKecleon when Diamond and Pearl were named but no images were shown. She also was the cause of this fantastic hoax back when Skymin was mentioned to the public. I expect that she will try something like this again, I'm looking forward to seeing "official 5th Gen Starters" artwork in the upcoming weeks

Pokébeach article

D4RK ONION

HOLY CRAP IT'S gotten another dimension (kind of :P)


Fairly cool looking I think.


Scope here looks incredible.

What do ye think?

source

Star Lord

They were already linked to in post 19...

D4RK ONION

Ah shoite

*returns to lurking*

cherryghost

freyaplus wrote: »

The first pictures of the game are here

It's looks nice. Not exactly revolutionary but moving away from the topdown angle gives the area more depth as seen in the pokecentre and town pictures.

you can hack the angle in any DS Pokémon game to change the angle. Pretty easy to do.

wobbles

Im not actually too keen on the new angles. Its nice to look at, but id find it a pain to play with. Would be nice if battle scenes had a few camera angles that you could change mid battle. But its always going to be a 2d game trying to replicate 3d on this platform. I say stop wasting time on making it look 3d, and more time on novel ideas, enjoyable stories lines, plots, sub plots, mingames etc.
Spoink racing anyone?

Banjo

I'd like to see them expand on the Villa idea from Platinum with expansions that you might actually want to buy, such as plots for planting berries or apricorn trees, a garden with various purchasable features that attract a variety of pokemon for you to hunt mercilessly, manufacturing facilities for items (eg, manufacture a TM by supplying, say, a/several pokemon that has/have learned the move who are released (rather than crunched up and consumed) when the TM is created) etc. Maybe even some features that allow you to put your pokemon to work the way you see other people using them, such as Machamp furniture movers etc. Can't think of an example though...

3D isn't really necessary, it's not going to add much to the game.

Spoink racing, Machamp wrestling, stacking Magnemites into humerous shapes - it's all good!