Why aren't we doing this?

Caoimhín

dr.bollocko wrote: »

I blame their inability to afford a constant supply of brain melting booze.

Ha, yeah, give them loads of booze, Taytos and English football and there wont be a peep out of them.

ejmaztec

Agricola wrote: »

The main difference between the Ireland of today and Ireland pre-1922 is that the target of all the previous revolts was the British crown. We have a long and proud history of putting it up to the Brits, before being hammered back down again. Its easy to get behind revolt against foreign oppression!

This time the culprits of the devastation are other Irish men, those running the banks and running the country. I think deep down alot of us arent able to summon up the same level of blind hatred against democratically elected Irish people as we are so adept at doing for British monarchs! So the default position is to grumble, resigned to our fate.

If we had a good rabble-rouser, that would be easily managed, the only problem being that I can't think of one.

In before The Godwin.

dr.bollocko

God wins again.

prinz

Caoimhín wrote: »

Ha, yeah, give them loads of booze, Taytos and English football and there wont be a peep out of them.

That explains Shinawatra's interest in Man City then...

inforfun

dr.bollocko wrote: »

They're always at that the Thais. Interesting political history actually. I blame their inability to afford a constant supply of brain melting booze.

I would throw over a government for a cold Singha now though...

D.Q

Max Power1 wrote: »

sounds like the op is gaining support by the second!

we just need a leader.

twinQuins

Can I just say I'm fucking terrified that there seems to be a generation that compares our situation to those of countries with actual fucking dictatorships and real problems.

Have people really lost all perspective?

EuskalHerria

Morkarleth wrote: »

Can I just say I'm fucking terrified that there seems to be a generation that compares our situation to those of countries with actual fucking dictatorships and real problems.

Have people really lost all perspective?

What are you talking about? We as a nation a have a serious problem here. Nobody is saying that we have the largest problem (although cowen has to be a contender) but we still have a problem.
That problem is a completely inept government. Everyone knows they are incapable of getting us through the recession because look at how they have handled things so far. The have failed to tighten the reins of the bankers and speculators because they are of the same ilk as those who led us into this recession.
What has been done? Nothing! As was said there's such a passive attitude to it all and the same fools that got us hear are being allowed to blindly lead us out of it, which their not doing. As a nation we're hoping that its just magically going to get better.

ScumLord

Violence and ripping apart the current government with no idea what your replacing it with will just leave us in a mess.

Organizing your local community, making a clear list what what's lacking and how you think it can be improved would be a start, never mind the rest of the country sort out your own back garden first, but if your doing nothing then there's no point of complaining about other people doing nothing.

conorhal

DieselQueen wrote: »

we just need a leader.

That's a bingo!

The problem with an organized protest movement as I see it is a lack of leadership, who are we to coalesce behind? Socialist Joe? Eamon Glib-more? Enda KennnZZzzzzz? Some granola munching sandal monkey?


It used to be that a protest could be led by a charismatic intellectual figure that could articulate the grievances of the masses in a focused way, but the sad truth is that there's a severe lack of leadership in this country, and in it's absence all we have are grumbling sectional interests all pulling in different directions.

Dunjohn

Can't afford the bus ticket over to Dublin for it. Otherwise, hell, yeah.

parker kent

EuskalHerria wrote: »

What are you talking about? We as a nation a have a serious problem here. Nobody is saying that we have the largest problem (although cowen has to be a contender) but we still have a problem.
That problem is a completely inept government. Everyone knows they are incapable of getting us through the recession because look at how they have handled things so far. The have failed to tighten the reins of the bankers and speculators because they are of the same ilk as those who led us into this recession.
What has been done? Nothing! As was said there's such a passive attitude to it all and the same fools that got us hear are being allowed to blindly lead us out of it, which their not doing. As a nation we're hoping that its just magically going to get better.

Are you honestly saying he is a contender given what happens in Africa, South America and Asia? Ireland is in a much better situation than countries like Greece too. Their government have an international reputation for being liars and incompetent. In fact, the CIA World Factbook even mention corruption and poor governance.

Ireland on the other hand, have people who have grown up with unrealistic expectations. Plus a few others who are old enough to know better. The governments international reputation is actually not bad. The last budget and NAMA are relatively well received in the international markets.

But of course that is not as funny or as easy to say. It is not as if people bought houses they couldn't afford out of their own free will or anything (Plus the other dozens of reasons for the global financial crisis). Instead lets find ourselves scapegoats in the bankers and the government. Lets completely lose the run of ourselves in over-the-top remarks about how poorly we are being run.

Yes they have made mistakes. But I mean honestly...Morkarleth is right. People are comparing our stable government with countries where they have civil wars and saying we have a contender for worst leader.

EuskalHerria

parker kent wrote: »

Are you honestly saying he is a contender given what happens in Africa, South America and Asia? Ireland is in a much better situation than countries like Greece too. Their government have an international reputation for being liars and incompetent. In fact, the CIA World Factbook even mention corruption and poor governance.

Read the sentence again, I was subtly having a go at Cowens size, i'll not be so subtle about it next time.

Ireland on the other hand, have people who have grown up with unrealistic expectations. Plus a few others who are old enough to know better. The governments international reputation is actually not bad. The last budget and NAMA are relatively well received in the international markets.

Yes, its unrealistic expectations that has led is into financial meltdown and left half a million people unemployed. I'm sure dole lines are filled with people still thinking their going to be actresses and footballers.:rolleyes:
At least have the common sense to admit that nothing but greed has got us where we are now.
Nama can be aswell received by the global elite all it wants, its not taking money out of their pocket is it? Its probably well received because of the sheer audacity of the government even trying it, let alone gettting away with openly giving away billions.

But of course that is not as funny or as easy to say. It is not as if people bought houses they couldn't afford out of their own free will or anything (Plus the other dozens of reasons for the global financial crisis). Instead lets find ourselves scapegoats in the bankers and the government. Lets completely lose the run of ourselves in over-the-top remarks about how poorly we are being run.

Those people who made the mistake of investing and re mortgaging are being made responsible for their actions, its well accepted that people are more than struggling with daft purchases and financial decisions they made.
The thing is accountability only goes so far up the ladder. When it comes to institutions like anglo the government are giving them bailouts? Their is a better way and for the money already spent anglo could have been allowed go belly up and the government assured those who didn't deserve to be punished for such massive financial mismanagement.

The fact is that certain people at the bottom and middle rungs of the ladder are being punished, while those at the top are getting bail outs and continuing like before.

Yes they have made mistakes. But I mean honestly...Morkarleth is right. People are comparing our stable government with countries where they have civil wars and saying we have a contender for worst leader.

We do have a horribly incapable leader in power. He isn't the worst but he is a problem in this country and we have to focus on that.

But I get your point, don't think for a minute I don't count my blessings for Brian Cowen:rolleyes:

ScumLord

parker kent wrote: »

Ireland on the other hand, have people who have grown up with unrealistic expectations. Plus a few others who are old enough to know better. The governments international reputation is actually not bad. The last budget and NAMA are relatively well received in the international markets.

Well received by who though, other bankers and economists looking for a way back to unrestricted profiteering at the expense of others?

As far as I'm concerned these people are trying to fix a fundamentally flawed system for they're own benefit, we won't get anything out of it and 20 years from now we'll more than likely be heading into another recession as that seems to be the cycle on these things.

parker kent

EuskalHerria wrote: »

Read the sentence again, I was subtly having a go at Cowens size, i'll not be so subtle about it next time.

Oh yes humour....I'll have to download that upgrade some day

Fair enough I get your points too. I guess I just used your post to get out a rant that has been inside me for a while! It is just people annoy me by finding scapegoats. Bankers are the current boogeyman. It will be something else in the future.

Sometimes not every problem can be isolated down to some nefarious forces, sometime s**t just happens. A lot of people need some perspective (not you, the people in the dole queues who thought they were on their way to millions for example). We may not be the best, but we are far from the worst. Just because some people got a raw deal, doesn't mean the whole system is corrupted.

parker kent

ScumLord wrote: »

Well received by who though, other bankers and economists looking for a way back to unrestricted profiteering at the expense of others?

As far as I'm concerned these people are trying to fix a fundamentally flawed system for they're own benefit, we won't get anything out of it and 20 years from now we'll more than likely be heading into another recession as that seems to be the cycle on these things.

Well who else is responsible for monetary decisions? Somebody, somewhere has to make the calls. When the economy gets going, everybody will benefit to some extent. Bankers, economists etc are not hiding away in a cave with Bin Laden with all the money. In the good times, infrastructure, schools, sports etc benefit. Sure some argue it could be better spent somewhere else, but people will always disagree. Largely it is distributed OK. People get higher wages. It is not restricted to people that work with money.

EuskalHerria

parker kent wrote: »

Fair enough I get your points too. I guess I just used your post to get out a rant that has been inside me for a while! It is just people annoy me by finding scapegoats. Bankers are the current boogeyman. It will be something else in the future.

I don't want a scapegoat, I want accountability. Bankers and speculators gambled and lost. If someone went into paddy powers and lost a fortune on a bet they shouldn't be bailed out.
Sheer greed led rich people who were not satisfied with their wealth to try and gamble in the hope of acquiring more wealth, they fcuked up and its the normal working people of this country that have been made pay and in an effort to deflect from the governments shortcomings, workers have turned on one another.
There is no bailouts for anyone except for those who fcuked up in the first place. Even though they are the creators of the circumstances of what should have been their own downfall, they get bailed out. This recession has hit the pockets of everyone but those responsible.

They should be made accountable for their actions and not bailed out by the hard working people of this country.

Sometimes not every problem can be isolated down to some nefarious forces, sometime s**t just happens. A lot of people need some perspective (not you, the people in the dole queues who thought they were on their way to millions for example). We may not be the best, but we are far from the worst. Just because some people got a raw deal, doesn't mean the whole system is corrupted.

We are far from the worst, I agree. That however does not mean that we should accept the current inadequacies of the government and sit by while we watch them sign us up for massive debts.
Again its a passive if not apologetic attitude that is leading us down the drain. Other countries are starting to get out of the recession and we are still here chasing our tails.

Cunning Stunt

BREAKING NEWS -- Dail stormed by angry boardsies - govnt forced to adapt Thai escape plan and flee by helicopter...

ScumLord

parker kent wrote: »

Well who else is responsible for monetary decisions? Somebody, somewhere has to make the calls. When the economy gets going, everybody will benefit to some extent. Bankers, economists etc are not hiding away in a cave with Bin Laden with all the money.

That kind of implies that the money we're talking about is a real and tangible thing when it's not. It only exists on hard drives and peoples imagination. It's a false economy that plays politics with actual resources in an extremely wasteful way so that a few can profit.

Max Power1

Cunning Stunt wrote: »

BREAKING NEWS -- Dail stormed by angry boardsies - govnt forced to adapt Thai escape plan and flee by helicopter...

youd need a hell of a lot more power to airlift that whale mary harney out of there!

Joey the lips

If you want to fook your countries reputation up on the world market and insure we get no more money this would be the best thing to do....


I have said it time and time again. Its not the people who vote in this country that are the problem its the people who dont....

Liam Byrne

parker kent wrote: »

Ireland is in a much better situation than countries like Greece too. Their government have an international reputation for being liars and incompetent.

So the only difference is that our government's reputation for those very same things hasn't yet reached abroad ?

Pherekydes

Here's what they're up to in Kyrgyzstan:

Kyrgyzstan: protesters kill government minister as violence escalates

BraziliaNZ

Why would anyone revolt here? You can stay in your pyjamas all day, get a free house in the city centre, own a mobile phone, a PS3, have Sky etc, and not work a day in your life? At least that's what I can see with people on welfare.

We're an extremely rich country compared to most of the world, if we end up living off scraps and hungry like most of the people in Thailand, don't be surprised if gangs start storming Government Buildings.

We simply have too many creature comforts for any of us to risk losing anything, but we sure do like to bitch about our leaders.

Dudess

genericguy wrote: »

but why is it that a nation founded as the result of a revolution never does anything despite complaining about being shat on time after time?

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parker kent

Liam Byrne wrote: »

So the only difference is that our government's reputation for those very same things hasn't yet reached abroad ?

Honestly, look up what has happened in Greece. Nothing here compares to there.

I've just tried to add some perspective to the thread. The Op is why are we not storming the parliament. The answer is because it would be madness.

KevinVonSpiel

genericguy wrote: »

in thailand they don't like their government, so they stormed the parliament today:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0407/thailand.html

Everyone here seems to be pissed the fcuk off with cowen and his fat posse constantly sticking their hands into peoples' wallets, taking money away from health services, education, justice etc. and giving it to the banks. soon they're taking business away from the headshops to give it to drug dealers. they're planning to make everyone work later into their lives, which will eventually extend so far that nobody will be able to retire in the country. They've chopped the pay of low grade civil servants, yet they are giving an exemption from said cuts to the highly paid ones.

Look at what other countries do in similar situations:
In france they fcuking run amok until they get what they want.
Greece, they don't stand for it either.
in russia... well, you know.

what do we do when we're unhappy here? we go to the pub and grumble into a pint, and because the price of that pint was reduced recently, Fianna Fail stay in power. whether or not you deem what they are doing necessary or not isn't important,

edit: Just to clarify - i have no position with regard to nama etc. i'm just speaking based on the things i most often hear people complaining about)

but why is it that a nation founded as the result of a revolution never does anything despite complaining about being shat on time after time?

TLDR.

KevinVonSpiel

Pherekydes wrote: »

Here's what they're up to in Kyrgyzstan:

Note: there is no www.boards.kg

L.Jenkins

genericguy wrote: »

in thailand they don't like their government, so they stormed the parliament today:

http://www.rte.ie/news/2010/0407/thailand.html

Everyone here seems to be pissed the fcuk off with cowen and his fat posse constantly sticking their hands into peoples' wallets, taking money away from health services, education, justice etc. and giving it to the banks. soon they're taking business away from the headshops to give it to drug dealers. they're planning to make everyone work later into their lives, which will eventually extend so far that nobody will be able to retire in the country. They've chopped the pay of low grade civil servants, yet they are giving an exemption from said cuts to the highly paid ones.

Look at what other countries do in similar situations:
In france they fcuking run amok until they get what they want.
Greece, they don't stand for it either.
in russia... well, you know.

what do we do when we're unhappy here? we go to the pub and grumble into a pint, and because the price of that pint was reduced recently, Fianna Fail stay in power. whether or not you deem what they are doing necessary or not isn't important,

edit: Just to clarify - i have no position with regard to nama etc. i'm just speaking based on the things i most often hear people complaining about)

but why is it that a nation founded as the result of a revolution never does anything despite complaining about being shat on time after time?

I've been thinking of a riot or demonstration for a long time but I have absolutely no power of conviction to organise one and I can't believe a vote of no confidence have been put to the government yet. What the fuck is the deal that Ministers are waiting for something to miracously happen.