Aslan

neil_18_ · 02-04-2010 8:59pm #1

Anyone else here a fan? I love them, listen to them constantly!

Can't wait for a new album from them!

If you're not a fan or are coming in here to put them down, GTFO i dont care if you dont like them!

Anyone go to the gig on Paddys eve?

Loved that they played Loving Me Lately and Rainman!

Mars Bar · 02-04-2010 9:06pm

My friend has two free tickets to see them tomorrow night in the TF in Castlebar. He doesn't like them so he is trying to get rid of them, no one will take them!

Powder_Keg · 05-04-2010 3:45pm

Yes I was at the Paddys eve gig, they were great and I was in Athy last night, brilliant.

Very underrated, I think.

kenon · 05-04-2010 6:13pm

Powder_Keg wrote: »

Yes I was at the Paddys eve gig, they were great and I was in Athy last night, brilliant.

Very underrated, I think.

Is that you Christy?

MissHoneyBun · 05-04-2010 11:00pm

I used to love these guys years ago as a teenager. Me and a large group of my friends used to go see them live several, several times a year (which made us the epitome of cool of course!) I think I've somewhat grown out of them by now but in fairness to them, they do a great live set and Christy has a real stage presence. I think their best gig I was at was 'An intimate evening with Aslan' at the Point on a New Year's Eve. Could never stand that baldy guitarist though and his sleazy ways, that dude must have snogged half my hometown

GoldenTickets · 07-04-2010 12:14pm

neil_18_ wrote: »

If you're not a fan or are coming in here to put them down, GTFO i dont care if you dont like them!

Dead right mate, I'm so sick of people knocking Aslan, they're class. People are getting too big for their boots and they slag everything that's Irish just because it's cool to slag Irish talent, well Aslan are a super band and I'm not afraid to say it. I think their more recent material is badly overlooked, even by fans of the band. Crazy World is deadly and all, but She's So Beautiful is probably the best Irish song penned in the last 15 years. It's so catchy and yet so heartfelt at the same time, I can relate to it so much (see below). I can't wait to catch the guys live again, they always put in an awesome live show, doing the actions to the songs and all...

"When I scream it gives me back my sanity
Everything that's real is not reality"
- She's So Beautiful : Best Irish Song Ever?

Dudess · 07-04-2010 7:06pm

GoldenTickets wrote: »

Dead right mate, I'm so sick of people knocking Aslan, they're class. People are getting too big for their boots and they slag everything that's Irish just because it's cool to slag Irish talent

I don't think it says anywhere on the charter that you must only post positive things about a band because the opening poster says so.
I dislike them not because they're Irish, or to be cool, but because I don't like the sound of anything I've heard by them... apart from This Is, which is quite a good song in my opinion.

GoldenTickets · 08-04-2010 8:47am

Dudess wrote: »

I don't think it says anywhere on the charter that you must only post positive things about a band because the opening poster says so.
I dislike them not because they're Irish, or to be cool, but because I don't like the sound of anything I've heard by them... apart from This Is, which is quite a good song in my opinion.

Ah you should give She's So Beautiful a spin so, way stylier than This Is in my humble opinion. As far as your opinion goes, say what you like, I was just endorsing the OP's suggestion that people who just want to knock the band don't bother posting here as he (and I) don't care if they hate Aslan (who are clearly deadly). By all means say your piece if you feel the need, It's alright yeah, it's alright.

neil_18_ · 08-04-2010 8:59am

GoldenTickets wrote: »

Dead right mate, I'm so sick of people knocking Aslan, they're class. People are getting too big for their boots and they slag everything that's Irish just because it's cool to slag Irish talent, well Aslan are a super band and I'm not afraid to say it. I think their more recent material is badly overlooked, even by fans of the band. Crazy World is deadly and all, but She's So Beautiful is probably the best QUOTE]

Havr to agree with this. Songs like these are pure class :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PExGO95-wPc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ih8PfWKgCM

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pBWnmwK_MjU

MissHoneyBun · 09-04-2010 12:26am

Dudess wrote: »

I don't think it says anywhere on the charter that you must only post positive things about a band because the opening poster says so.
I dislike them not because they're Irish, or to be cool

...but to stir sh1t with people who clearly do like them and start arguments about charters for no fcuking reason. Trolling in other words.

I think what you're saying is true Golden Tickets. A lot of people in this country don't want to know about music unless it's Saturday night Fake Factor

Dudess · 09-04-2010 4:17pm

GoldenTickets wrote: »

As far as your opinion goes, say what you like, I was just endorsing the OP's suggestion that people who just want to knock the band don't bother posting here as he (and I) don't care if they hate Aslan (who are clearly deadly). By all means say your piece if you feel the need, It's alright yeah, it's alright.

Thank you. You can obviously understand that when you say stuff like "People are getting too big for their boots and they slag everything that's Irish just because it's cool to slag Irish talent" well, other members are free to contradict that if it's untrue, this being a public message-board and all that. It's obviously not trolling or stirring sh1t.

And if an act is being discussed, nobody can stop people posting critical comments about them - that's what a discussion is. Once people aren't abusive and don't belittle others for their tastes, and generally stay within the charter boundaries, it shouldn't be seen as a problem and they should be able to say what they like without being harassed. "Let's only say nice things/bad things about x" threads would be just boring.

Consider the reverse: imagine if people were told to "GTFO" if they wanted to say positive things about The Coronas on that other thread?

GoldenTickets · 10-04-2010 11:16am

Dudess wrote: »

Thank you. You can obviously understand that when you say stuff like "People are getting too big for their boots and they slag everything that's Irish just because it's cool to slag Irish talent" well, other members are free to contradict that if it's untrue, this being a public message-board and all that.

No, I wouldn't say that. I would say that other members are free to contradict that if "they believe it to be untrue". For another member to brand someone's opinion as untrue because they disagree with it is no better than any of the other behaviour you consider dismissive.

Also, to say I can "obviously understand" before you state your opinion only serves to put words in my mouth which isn't really fair either. If I agree with an opinion that is expressed here I will say so after I hear that opinion, not before.

I support the OP's suggestion that those who would just use this thread to bash Aslan should GTFO, who needs another thread bashing an easy target? I don't expect those people to actually restrain themselves and keep their bile off the thread, but I'm free to suggest it or second a motion suggesting it if I want to, "this being a public message-board and all that".

Anyway, I think this thread has been taken far enough off topic at this stage so let me try to get things back where they should be... Aslan are class!

Dudess · 10-04-2010 11:46am

GoldenTickets wrote: »

No, I wouldn't say that. I would say that other members are free to contradict that if "they believe it to be untrue". For another member to brand someone's opinion as untrue because they disagree with it is no better than any of the other behaviour you consider dismissive.

"People only dislike x because it's cool to do so" is not a subjective opinion, it is a presumption which is either a fact or it isn't. It 100% does not apply in my case, and I'm hardly alone. I'd be surprised if the vast majority of adults didn't have their own minds and were dictated to according to what they deem "cool".

Also, to say I can "obviously understand" before you state your opinion only serves to put words in my mouth which isn't really fair either. If I agree with an opinion that is expressed here I will say so after I hear that opinion, not before.

Oh I was referring to your last post, in which you appeared to display understanding of my position on my first post to this thread.

rovert · 10-04-2010 1:28pm

Switch off the musical snobbery and just enjoy Aslan for what they are. Which is a really fun, honest live band who has written some of the better songs in Irish music.

Dudess · 10-04-2010 1:43pm

Sweet Jesus on his fucking cross - it's not music snobbery, it's just simply disliking the band's sound! :mad:

Weirdly enough, if a person said they didn't like the sound of Joy Division, it wouldn't be considered music snobbery - yet it's exactly the same thing: a dislike of the band's sound...

abouttobebanned · 10-04-2010 1:45pm

The Vicar Street album is superb imo.

rovert · 10-04-2010 1:55pm

Dudess wrote: »

Sweet Jesus on his fucking cross - it's not music snobbery, it's just simply disliking the band's sound! :mad:

Weirdly enough, if a person said they didn't like the sound of Joy Division, it wouldn't be considered music snobbery - yet it's exactly the same thing: a dislike of the band's sound...

Why do you dislike their sound? Why are making vague negative comments about a band in a thread about them is another question? No one will ever claim that they reinvented the wheel or that they are the greatest band ever just that they are a really fun and hard working band.

Dudess · 10-04-2010 2:05pm

rovert wrote: »

Why do you dislike their sound?

Why do you dislike the sound of any band you dislike? I find their sound dull - that is my opinion which I can't help. It's not a choice. It's not my kinda thing, in the way a lot of country music isn't my thing (but I find an exception in nearly everything). Why aren't you asking every single person here who dislikes a particular band why they dislike them?

And yeah I barely posted anything criticising them, so you're right - vague it is. The OP comes along and invites discussion but says "GTFO" to anyone who might post something he doesn't like reading - all I said was he doesn't have the right to dictate like that. Where I attacked Aslan... oh yeah, I didn't. I actually mentioned a song of theirs I like. The sooner this ****ing place gets some active moderation...

No one will ever claim that they reinvented the wheel or that they are the greatest band ever

Was anyone asked to? Is anyone expecting them to fulfil the above criteria?

just that they are a really fun and hard working band.

Oh so therefore people HAVE to like them - even if they don't, they must pretend. Or else they're music snobs. Tell you what: I'll force myself to like them.

rovert · 10-04-2010 2:07pm

Dullard calling something dull lol

punkindrublic · 10-04-2010 2:08pm

Dudess wrote: »

Sweet Jesus on his fucking cross - it's not music snobbery, it's just simply disliking the band's sound! :mad:

Weirdly enough, if a person said they didn't like the sound of Joy Division, it wouldn't be considered music snobbery - yet it's exactly the same thing: a dislike of the band's sound...

here here.
& I also think Aslan are awful too.

Dudess · 10-04-2010 2:10pm

rovert wrote: »

Dullard calling something dull lol

Oh I see... "I can't come up with a response so I'll resort to personal abuse of someone I don't know" - sparkling of you!

rovert · 10-04-2010 2:13pm

punkindrublic wrote: »

here here.
& I also think Aslan are awful too.

Dudess wrote: »

Oh I see... "I can't come up with a response so I'll resort to personal abuse of someone I don't know" - sparkling of you!

How can I respond to such a cerebral appraisals of their music?

Mars Bar · 10-04-2010 2:13pm

If you want to go to a message board where there is no other discussion other than how great a band are, then go to the bands official forum.
Dudess saying that she doesn't like their sound is fair, even if it's vague.

rovert · 10-04-2010 2:17pm

mars bar wrote: »

If you want to go to a message board where there is no other discussion other than how great a band are, then go to the bands official forum.
Dudess saying that she doesn't like their sound is fair, even if it's vague.

Doesnt add much to the discussion is the issue. Like or dislike but have a reasonably constructed reason why. It is a much better alternative to posting "dull" and "awful" which adds little to the discussion.

Dudess · 10-04-2010 2:19pm

It's vague because I'm not "allowed" to be critical.

rovert wrote: »

How can I respond to such a cerebral appraisals of their music?

Personal abuse - check
Random, unrelated comment in response to something - check

You're ticking all the boxes on your way to being just swell.

You're also changing your tune - while you feel the need for detailed critiques now, a while ago you asked that people not be music snobs. Which is it?

rovert · 10-04-2010 2:28pm

Dudess wrote: »

It's vague because I'm not "allowed" to be critical.

Personal abuse - check
Random, unrelated comment in response to something - check

You're ticking all the boxes on your way to being just swell.

You're also changing your tune - while you feel the need for detailed critiques now, a while ago you asked that people not be music snobs. Which is it?

Loving all the strawmen and weird conclusions you are drawing here.

Having a reasoned opinion doesnt make you a muscial snob.

You taking the topic off topic - check

Id rather have this thread to talk about Aslan that listen to your dull slabber.

So guys what is your favourite track of Uncased?

Dudess · 10-04-2010 2:36pm

rovert wrote: »

Having a reasoned opinion doesnt make you a muscial snob.

Grand so, thank you for confirming I'm not a musical snob - and realising how retarded it is to call people musical snobs for simply being of the opinion that something is not good.

You taking the topic off topic - check

As are you.

Id rather have this thread to talk about Aslan that listen to your dull slabber.

That's it, keep on moving those goalposts - back and forth, back and forth...

doughef · 10-04-2010 2:37pm

Hi

Just throwing my 2 cent in here.

I think Aslan are class.. great music and a great hard working band, some really class songs. Should have been huge although their personal problems got in the way.

I had the pleasure of playing before them a few times and they are lovely fellas.
The only downside is that they do draw a bit of a rough crowd to their gigs,,

rovert · 10-04-2010 2:38pm

Dudess wrote: »

Grand so, thank you for confirming I'm not a musical snob - and realising how retarded it is to call people musical snobs for simply being of the opinion that something is not good.

As are you.

That's it, keep on moving those goalposts - back and forth, back and forth...

Again with the strawmen and bizarre conclusions.

Please stop.

Dudess · 10-04-2010 2:40pm

"I'll pretend I'm baffled by her interpretations as I can't come up with a response" - check

You're super you are!

GoldenTickets · 10-04-2010 2:41pm

Dudess, you've completely derailed this thread, presumably there's something in the charter about that too? I think if you want to have this argument you should start a new thread on it somewhere else on boards. So you don't agree with something that somebody said here, don't take it so personally and don't let it completely destroy what was a fair enough idea for a thread to begin with.

If you come onto threads looking to be offended you'll rarely be disappointed, if you take them at face value you'll more than likely find that nobody was trying to offend you in the first place.

Dudess · 10-04-2010 2:45pm

GoldenTickets wrote: »

Dudess, you've completely derailed this thread, presumably there's something in the charter about that too?

You're right - I hold my hand up. I'm not the only one though, in fairness (people whom you agree with have done so too

).

So you don't agree with something that somebody said here, don't take it so personally

Again, applicable to others.

But fair points: you're an example of someone who can be civil and non trollish when expressing their disagreement with someone.

neil_18_ · 10-04-2010 2:51pm

The reason i said if you don't like them GTFO is cause people like dudess are putting the thread way off topic, and it will be closed, which i dont want to happen.

To answer an earlier question, Nothing Rhymed, Jealous Guy and Telephone Line. I suggested Maggie May for the album. I also suggested Champagne Supernova

Anyone go to "The Gig" last night? Were they good?

I think they should be playing more stuff from "Waiting for this madness to end" and "For some strange reason" in their gigs.

Some fans just cant let go of the oldies though

Dudess · 10-04-2010 2:59pm

neil_18_ wrote: »

The reason i said if you don't like them GTFO is cause people like dudess are putting the thread way off topic, and it will be closed, which i dont want to happen.

You said GTFO to anyone who might attack them, so no, different thing all together. My posts are in relation to being sick sh1t of people being accused of music snobbery/wannabe coolness/begrudgery on this forum for opinions that are no less valid than anyone else's.

But you're right - I (and people you agree with) have dragged the thread off topic.

rovert · 10-04-2010 3:00pm

neil_18_ wrote: »

To answer an earlier question, Nothing Rhymed, Jealous Guy and Telephone Line. I suggested Maggie May for the album. I also suggested Champagne Supernova

Jealous Guy was my favourite too. I remember them on a radio show listing the songs they were considering or had even recorded setting expections too high for me which resulted in my disappointment on the selection of some tracks. I guess it was a licensing thing.

neil_18_ · 10-04-2010 3:03pm

rovert wrote: »

Jealous Guy was my favourite too. I remember them on a radio show listing the songs they were considering or had even recorded setting expections too high for me which resulted in my disappointment on the selection of some tracks. I guess it was a licensing thing.

Ye they said that another album of covers is possible. "Lover, you should've come over" by Jeff Buckley will more than likely be on it if it happens.

I hope we get a new album from them by the end of the year.

rovert · 10-04-2010 3:12pm

neil_18_ wrote: »

Ye they said that another album of covers is possible. "Lover, you should've come over" by Jeff Buckley will more than likely be on it if it happens.

Or another boxset even

MissHoneyBun · 10-04-2010 3:40pm

rovert wrote: »

Why are you making vague negative comments about a band in a thread about them is another question?

rovert wrote: »

Doesnt add much to the discussion is the issue. Like or dislike but have a reasonably constructed reason why. It is a much better alternative to posting "dull" and "awful" which adds little to the discussion.

rovert wrote: »

Having a reasoned opinion doesnt make you a muscial snob.

You taking the topic off topic

rovert wrote: »

Please stop.

neil_18_ wrote: »

The reason i said if you don't like them GTFO is cause people like dudess are putting the thread way off topic

GoldenTickets wrote: »

Dudess, you've completely derailed this thread, presumably there's something in the charter about that too? I think if you want to have this argument you should start a new thread on it somewhere else on boards.

If you come onto threads looking to be offended you'll rarely be disappointed, if you take them at face value you'll more than likely find that nobody was trying to offend you in the first place.

Guys, Dudess seems to spend her days going into threads and finding ways to take offence in order to pick fights with people for no reason. And despite four other posters here asking her to please stop she just keeps going. I agree she has totally derailed the thread and has contributed nothing but trouble and I don't know why she hasn't been banned yet. Anyway with 20,000 posts and seemingly little to do, I don't think she will stop. Unless she is banned, I guess all the other posters here can do is ignore her.

I like Jealous Guy too and I think it's a true reflection of a band who are clearly in music for all the right reasons when Aslan keep going the way they do after all these years.

Dudess · 10-04-2010 3:48pm

MissHoneyBun wrote: »

finding ways to take offence in order to pick fights with people for no reason... I don't know why she hasn't been banned yet.

http://go-dl1.eve-files.com/media/0608/pot_kettle_black.jpg

For the crazed personal harassment campaigns and such...

Interesting how so much of the songs being chosen here are covers.

rovert · 10-04-2010 3:52pm

Dudess wrote: »

Interesting how so much of the songs being chosen here are covers.

*facepalm*

As I asked a question about a covers album......

Dudess · 10-04-2010 3:54pm

Fair enough - sorry!

rovert · 10-04-2010 3:57pm

Dudess wrote: »

Fair enough - sorry!

Which is their most recent album released last year. Remember when I asked for reasoned opinons?

Dudess · 10-04-2010 4:00pm

Haven't a clue - I go by any songs I've heard by them, which aren't my thing personally. There's worse, sure, but I just don't like their sound - 'tis the way it is.

I know there'll be disingenuous claims of "you haven't done your research bla bla" obviously but as if anyone is going to go through the albums of bands whose songs they hear on the radio they dislike. Nothing unusual or wrong about people making their minds up based on this - anyone here who'll say they wouldn't do it... is lying.

rovert · 10-04-2010 4:06pm

Dudess wrote: »

Haven't a clue - I go by any songs I've heard by them, which aren't my thing personally. There's worse, sure, but I just don't like their sound - 'tis the way it is.

I know there'll be disingenuous claims of "you haven't done your research bla bla" obviously but as if anyone is going to go through the albums of bands whose songs they hear on the radio they dislike. Nothing unusual or wrong about people making their minds up based on this - anyone here who'll say they wouldn't do it... is lying.

Once again I dont think you are adding much to the thread - you disliking or liking the band is immaterial to that opinion.