Renault 4 Scrappage victim...

carchaeologist

Tralee couple Pat and Brid Galvin have literally got their money back on their 1984 Renault 4,26.000 miles and 26 years after they bought it.

Thanks to the Scrappage scheme in Adams Garage in Tralee,they got a Total of 4.500eu off the price of a new Clio.They originally paid around £3000 for the car in 1984(in Harnetts Renault garage i would guess at that time.)

"We're really getting back what we paid for it" Pat said
"we've had excellent value out of it"
"The longest runs we've had with it were up and down to dublin. It needs a bit of work done so we said we would be better off with a bit more comfort."

The safety advantages of a more modern car with airbags were another consideration for the couple.
Adams joint MD Mike Geoghegan said the transaction was an example of the value of the scrappage scheme "we're delighted for Pat and Brib and we wish them 26 years more trouble free motoring" Mike said.

Excerpt from Kerrys Eye newspaper 01/04/10
Picture by Carchaeologist

kasper

shame to see the poor car ending its life that way after 26 years of service ,people are always going on about renaults not being reliable and how badly built they are , the renault 4 a true LEGEND

Xlaxeo

Does Adams Renault of Tralee own the R4 van you posted before?

If so, then you would think they would have a little bit more respect for old cars.

Could they not have diverted this R4 from destruction?

Anan1

Xlaxeo wrote: »

Could they not have diverted this R4 from destruction?

I'm sure you could yourself, if you'll pay €1500 for it.;)

Thinkingaboutit

There is zero justification for a scrappage scheme. Industries that employed more Irish workers, used more native resources, got no bailout, and industry is a term used loosely, just importing and servicing cars. Sad thing to happen.

kasper

that renault 4 should be displayed in the renault showroom as an advertisment not scrapped

Saab Ed

Anan1 wrote: »

I'm sure you could yourself, if you'll pay €1500 for it.;)

You dont have to. The Government scrappage allowance on a Clio is only €320 because its a bio-fuel car and the VRT is only €320. Offer the dealer that and he'll probably sell it to you

peasant

In me hole will they get 26 years out of a Clio.

Some stupid chip will go poof and that's the end of that.

carchaeologist

kasper wrote: »

that renault 4 should be displayed in the renault showroom as an advertisment not scrapped

Being honest,its pretty hanging,it would need a lot of work to make presentable. It looks like it has 100.000 miles up,not 26.000. Im going to call to Adams tomorrow and see if its there.

Does Adams Renault of Tralee own the R4 van you posted before?

They do indeed have the 89 4L van too.This be her..

If so, then you would think they would have a little bit more respect for old cars.

As it is its a great advertisment for the scrappage scheme,and Renaults apparent longetivity,couple have same renault for 26 years since new sounds great.. Ticks all the boxes for great advertisment. Im sure it was themselves that contacted the paper.

Do cars taken in the scrappage scheme here have to be scrapped?

manta mad

kasper wrote: »

that renault 4 should be displayed in the renault showroom as an advertisment not scrapped

this is excatly what should be done !!!!!!

bill cullen whare are ya !!!! :rolleyes:

Xlaxeo

carchaeologist wrote: »

Being honest,its pretty hanging,it would need a lot of work to make presentable. It looks like it has 100.000 miles up,not 26.000. Im going to call to Adams tomorrow and see if its there.

Do cars taken in the scrappage scheme here have to be scrapped?

The cars certainly do have to be scrapped, as a certificate of destruction is required in order to claim the government allowance.

There was a case in Britain where a concours condition Morris Minor was traded in for a Hyundai i10. The Morris is in absolutely perfect condition, museum standard. The dealer got around the requirement for destruction by destroying the identification plates. The car itself is allowed to be kept as long as kept off roads.

If you are in Adams tomorrow, would you ask them is there any way they would be interested in allowing the car be sold or otherwise saved?

Or at least allow it to be stripped of parts

That would be great

kasper

if the car is rough i am sure the dealer would be able to restore it , he would make more on advertisment value than it would cost to restore

Max_Damage

Sure this mint Mazda 323 was sent to the crusher only about 2 months ago. It was replaced by a brand new Corolla. Bloody shame

Blue Punto

Max_Damage wrote: »

Sure this mint Mazda 323 was sent to the crusher only about 2 months ago. It was replaced by a brand new Corolla. Bloody shame

Nearly sure that car belonged to my old headmaster....this around Raheny by any chance ??

Max_Damage

Blue Punto wrote: »

Nearly sure that car belonged to my old headmaster....this around Raheny by any chance ??

No, Templeogue.

BrianD3

Was hoping this was an April fool but from subsequent posts by carchaeologist it doesn't appear to be. A 26 year old, 1 owner Renault 4 with an old Irish reg is surely worth saving. The car can't be in too bad a condition if it has been in regular use and has passed the NCT in recent years.

jimmyw

carchaeologist wrote: »

Tralee couple Pat and Brid Galvin have literally got their money back on their 1984 Renault 4,26.000 miles and 26 years after they bought it.

Thanks to the Scrappage scheme in Adams Garage in Tralee,they got a Total of 4.500eu off the price of a new Clio.They originally paid around £3000 for the car in 1984(in Harnetts Renault garage i would guess at that time.)

"We're really getting back what we paid for it" Pat said
"we've had excellent value out of it"
"The longest runs we've had with it were up and down to dublin. It needs a bit of work done so we said we would be better off with a bit more comfort."

The safety advantages of a more modern car with airbags were another consideration for the couple.
Adams joint MD Mike Geoghegan said the transaction was an example of the value of the scrappage scheme "we're delighted for Pat and Brib and we wish them 26 years more trouble free motoring" Mike said.

Excerpt from Kerrys Eye newspaper 01/04/10
Picture by Carchaeologist

peasant wrote: »

In me hole will they get 26 years out of a Clio.

Some stupid chip will go poof and that's the end of that.

My thoughts exactly, but you beat me to it.

To some people these might be a bit of a joke car, but I kinda have a thing about these. Bit quirky, but worth saving.

carchaeologist

I think they may be lying about the one owner bit,just a hunch but i think i may be right.

spurious

The Renault 4 will always be a nun's car to me. There was a time when it seemed to be the only car you'd see nuns in.

When we had lots of nuns.

Max_Damage

Now nuns (the few that's left) drive Starlet's!

carchaeologist

Or our boys in blue...

carchaeologist

This one is tidy

More pics here
http://www.northcoastclassics.ie/84renault4gtlrestorationgallery.html

unkel

Max_Damage wrote: »

Now nuns (the few that's left) drive Starlet's!

The last time I saw either a nun or a Toyota Starlet was a long time ago. Chances of seeing a nun in a Starlet are slimmer than having a pint in a pub on Good Friday or Christmas Day

spooky donkey

carchaeologist wrote: »

Or our boys in blue...

is the lad on the right pulling the door off?

MaxFlower

unkel wrote: »

The last time I saw either a nun or a Toyota Starlet was a long time ago. Chances of seeing a nun in a Starlet are slimmer than having a pint in a pub on Good Friday or Christmas Day

I saw three nuns in a Starlet not more than a month ago. One of them was my auntie. :P
Where can I get that pint seeing as its the day it is.

eagle owl

As far as I know while the car has to be 'destroyed' , the recycler can sell parts, so at least may help a restoration? I'm sure there are some recyclers here that can confirm..

(Off main topic but on the subject of ZX Renaults, my second car in 1985 was 2203 ZX, a silver R9TL 1400 cc. Wasn't a great car- dont know how it won car of the year in its time)

carchaeologist

spooky donkey wrote: »

is the lad on the right pulling the door off?

Maybe hes holding it on...

Where can I get that pint seeing as its the day it is.

Anywhere in Limerick city today i think..:D

Wasn't a great car- dont know how it won car of the year in its time)

Some COTY cars would make you wonder alright,but i suppose when they won their respective awards they were probably the best of the bunch at that time.

Saab Ed

carchaeologist wrote: »

This one is tidy

More pics here
http://www.northcoastclassics.ie/84renault4gtlrestorationgallery.html

I used to own that car. Drove it about a month ago. It brought me back I'll tell you. Drives like new today.

BeardyGit

carchaeologist wrote: »

This one is tidy

More pics here
http://www.northcoastclassics.ie/84renault4gtlrestorationgallery.html

I recently brought an R4L van up to Adam in North Coast Classics for a bare metal restoration - The owner picked the right guy to do the job, that's for sure.

I was very impressed by the attention to detail he shows, and the workmanship and skill employed to do things 'the right way'. Highly recommended.

The R4's not something I'd choose to own myself, but I can see the attraction. They're a quirky little machine that played a big part in providing cheap and cheerful transport for a lot of folks and agencies in mid/post recession Ireland in the 80's.

carchaeologist

Saab Ed wrote: »

I used to own that car. Drove it about a month ago. It brought me back I'll tell you. Drives like new today.

Nice. Was it an original low mileage car or did it have a huge amount of restoration?

Max_Damage

There is a white '88 R4 van still going around south Dublin. Saw it the other day. I think someone posted a picture of it here some time ago.

Gary ITR

Max_Damage wrote: »

There is a white '88 R4 van still going around south Dublin. Saw it the other day. I think someone posted a picture of it here some time ago.

I had the pleasure of being stuck behind it when it broke down on a very narrow street a few weeks ago

Xlaxeo

spurious wrote: »

The Renault 4 will always be a nun's car to me. There was a time when it seemed to be the only car you'd see nuns in.

When we had lots of nuns.

spooky donkey

was there a version with to what looked like 2 handles besire the head lights. I think they were some kinda pre historic bumper. Or am I thinking of some other rennault?

A bit like that cop car pic only I thought they were bigger.

Saab Ed

carchaeologist wrote: »

Nice. Was it an original low mileage car or did it have a huge amount of restoration?

I saved it from the scrapyard. It really only had around 60k on it when I got it, the owner even wanted me to take a 70's one he had at the side of the house aswell but I'd nowhere to put it.

So I drove the 4 home even though I didnt have the knowhow or money to sort it properly but I just couldnt let it die. It got parked in my mates barn for about 2 years until he told me I had to move it ( atleast it was dry ). By this stage my now wife wasnt earning as she went back to college , I had aquired a Citroen BX 16 valve along with various other yokes that were being driven / For Sale at the time and the 4 had to go.

I told everybody who came to look at it that I'd only sell it to them if they promised to restore it in some way......Seems I picked the right guy

carchaeologist

spooky donkey wrote: »

was there a version with to what looked like 2 handles besire the head lights.
A bit like that cop car pic only I thought they were bigger.

These were the only type i remember,i dont actually know why they were there though,a question for renotec maybe?

carchaeologist

Saab Ed wrote: »

I told everybody who came to look at it that I'd only sell it to them if they promised to restore it in some way......Seems I picked the right guy

Definatly,if all these stories had such a happy ending...

peasant

I'll always have a fondness for the R4.
My first ever car was R4 F6 van with rear seats and windows (converted into a camper of course ). Plenty of good times were had in this van and the springs were put to quite a few tests (not to mention the one time when I chased it through a severe bend at 80 km/h for a bet and lifted its inner rear wheel clear off the road)

Thinkingaboutit

carchaeologist wrote: »

These were the only type i remember,i dont actually know why they were there though,a question for renotec maybe?

Weren't there R4 P & T and later orange Telecom Éireann R4 vans?

RayM

I'm not sure if it's still around, but I spotted this little workhorse in Dalkey around two years ago:

carchaeologist

Thinkingaboutit wrote: »

Weren't there R4 P & T and later orange Telecom Éireann R4 vans?

There was,also an post had them as post vans,as below..


This is an ex telecom eireann van

VolvoMan

RayM wrote: »

I'm not sure if it's still around, but I spotted this little workhorse in Dalkey around two years ago:

I'd say I've passed that by a few times over the past year or so.

Max_Damage

carchaeologist wrote: »

This is an ex telecom eireann van

That's the one I see regularly.

Max_Damage

VolvoMan wrote: »

I'd say I've passed that by a few times over the past year or so.

As have I.

Renotec

carchaeologist wrote: »

These were the only type i remember,i dont actually know why they were there though,a question for renotec maybe?

Lads, This one is a GTL (1100cc). I remember these well. There was even a zip in the roof lining for the beacon. There were a lot of the GTL's used as PSV's for the government, Customs, Navy, ESB, Dept of agriculture. Some even had the odometer fitted with an extra digit. Folks needed to record daily mileage and 1/10 of mile added up. The overriders looked great but when you look at the design they stabilised the inner wing from vibrating against the bonnet and provided protection against folding inwards in the event of a "tip".

Also don't know if anyone remembers the short lived Telecom Eireann coloured R4's (F4's & F6's) in White, blue centre stripe & gold lower panels? Not a colour scheme to introduce of you want the coachwork to last! Great van for carrying. The flip up fly panel over the rear door would allow you to carry a reasonable ladder or load. That was dropped on the last lot with a fixed panel. MOst vans ended up in the early 80's as dog trailers - built in lights, suspension, security, all you needed was a tow bar.

Max_Damage

Renotec wrote: »

Also don't know if anyone remembers the short lived Telecom Eireann coloured R4's (F4's & F6's) in White, blue centre stripe & gold lower panels?

Remember them too!

carchaeologist

Nice bit of info there Renotec.Thanks.

1948Wolseley

Interesting about them being used as various PSV's, Renotec. I had one which the vendor told me was ex-Garda (registration ZS 3514), but now I'm thinking it might have been some other type of PSV. There was an extra switch on the dashboard and patched holes in the roof from something, but definitely no zip in the headlining. Any idea what it could have been?

BeardyGit

This happens to be the one and same that's up in North Coast Classics now for a full restoration!

Blue850

carchaeologist

^Great stuff!!!:)