Rats fleeing a sinking ship

ScumLord

I'm beginning to get a bit pissed off with all this talk of immigration. All these people are in effect abandoning they're communities, families and country, they're leaving this state to the corrupt money hungry "fat cats" that they're complaining about so much. Whatever happened to the fighting Irish, no ones prepared to make a stand for this country instead they flee with their tails between their legs.

Is it really the government that is to blame when we do nothing to stand in their way?

Jesus Wept

ScumLord wrote: »

All these people are in effect abandoning they're communities, families and country,

I'm not losing sleep over anyone leaving. I don't care. Good luck to them.

LD 50

But what can we, the people, do?

Collie D

If somebody can't get a job here you can't really blame them for heading off somewhere else.
Although, I kind of see where you;re coming from. I get annoyed by those who get their free education here (I know there are reg fees etc before anyone points it out) and then shag off and complain about how sh*t Ireland is and how great it is in Canada, Australia, Baghdad...

Raggaroo

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm beginning to get a bit pissed off with all this talk of immigration. All these people are in effect abandoning they're communities, families and country, they're leaving this state to the corrupt money hungry "fat cats" that they're complaining about so much. Whatever happened to the fighting Irish, no ones prepared to make a stand for this country instead they flee with their tails between their legs.

Is it really the government that is to blame when we do nothing to stand in their way?

Possibly thay are EMIGRATING to avoid being called immigrants !!!!!!

galwayrush

Maybe they would prefer to move to a country where they can get work. have a better health service and dignity.:rolleyes:

adamski8

I blame after hours, when people complain here, someone responds saying "if you don't like living here then leave"......I think these people have been following the advice

Collie D

Raggaroo wrote: »

Possibly thay are EMIGRATING to avoid being called immigrants !!!!!!

Emmigrating even?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

If I chose to go to another country to find work, I am considered a traitor? I am abandoning my country, community, family and friends? Fcuk that, I am not sitting on my hole waiting for work to land on my lap, nore am I going to sit around this kip to wait for the government to act on the job crisis and do their fcuking jobs. I'm out of here as soon as I possibly can. I just hope my plans work out.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Well if they stay here and draw the dole its just gonna cost the country even more so best of luck to all of them and I hope they are afforded the opportunity to come back and contribute to society in better times.

ejmaztec

Collie D wrote: »

Emmigrating even?

That's the trouble at the moment, people don't know whether they're coming or going.

Max Power1

Collie D wrote: »

Emmigrating even?

no, im pretty sure its emigrating

brianthebard

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm beginning to get a bit pissed off with all this talk of immigration. All these people are in effect abandoning they're communities, families and country, they're leaving this state to the corrupt money hungry "fat cats" that they're complaining about so much. Whatever happened to the fighting Irish, no ones prepared to make a stand for this country instead they flee with their tails between their legs.

Is it really the government that is to blame when we do nothing to stand in their way?

This has been happening for 200 odd years now, the last couple of decades bucked the trend for a little while but now we're back to normal.

bigeasyeah

Crap thread.

bazmaiden

brianthebard wrote: »

This has been happening for 200 odd years now, the last couple of decades bucked the trend for a little while but now we're back to normal.

our main export

Collie D

Max Power1 wrote: »

no, im pretty sure its emigrating

Is it? Crap...

ScumLord

Hugo Curved Fibula wrote: »

If I chose to go to another country to find work, I am considered a traitor? I am abandoning my country, community, family and friends? Fcuk that, I am not sitting on my hole waiting for work to land on my lap, nore am I going to sit around this kip to wait for the government to act on the job crisis and do their fcuking jobs. I'm out of here as soon as I possibly can. I just hope my plans work out.

But why wait for the government, as far as I can see there's no talk of grass roots community action. There's no effort by the people being screwed do do anything. It's one thing to say you tried your best to save this country and your giving up but it's another to bolt for the door as soon as the going gets though.


This is a peoples republic, the government can't fix this country only the people can.

Cunning Stunt

Am currently living abroad in a more stable economy. I hate what's happening in Ireland the same as the next person - but that doesn't mean I have to stay there. I got a decent job here and we have just bought our first house. Do I miss home and wish Ireland was in better times? Yes. Do I feel guilty for leaving? Absolutely not! I worked 8 years before I left and never claimed a penny off the welfare. I don't owe the country anything. Patriotism is not going to put food on my table.

Degag

If people want to emigrate more power to them. I do get annoyed by people giving out about it a tad though but if people are confidant to move to a new country and find new friends, make a bit of money, see the world etc, they should! It's not like the 50's where if somebody moved, you may never see them again, we live in a modern world where travel is so fast and easy, some people would be insane not to do it if they wanted!

Darlughda

I have no problem with people who want to emigrate for economic reasons, or who are adventurous enough to want to travel and explore somewhere new.
But what annoys me is when they come back for the christmas hols, and then start acting all condescending towards people who have decided to stay in this parochial, corrupt country.

If they didn't stay and put their energy and talents towards doing something to change our little ancien régime, then I don't want to hear the spiel about how much more broadminded and diverse New York or wherever else is.

Brussels Sprout

When you talk about staying and fighting what exactly do you expect people to do?
I mean that's all good and well and sounds great but if you try and start a protest movement nobody will join it. If you try and strike, people from a different sector will just give out about you.
You can't start a business because the banks won't give you a loan and you can't afford to go back and retrain because you won't be eligible to get any money if you've done a course before.

So that just leaves you to sit around on the dole hoping that things will get better OR you could actually take control of your life and go somewhere where your skills are needed.

bonerm

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm beginning to get a bit pissed off with all this talk of immigration. All these people are in effect abandoning they're communities, families and country, they're leaving this state to the corrupt money hungry "fat cats" that they're complaining about so much. Whatever happened to the fighting Irish, no ones prepared to make a stand for this country instead they flee with their tails between their legs.

Definetly we should stay. What that there may be better opportunities in other countries right now is not important. We must stay and fight to recreate the false dreambubble economy that we enjoyed for the last 15 years. We stayed during the famine. We stayed during the dark days of the 70's and 80's. We should stay now.

Christ I wish we had qualified for the World Cup just to shut all this crap up for 6 months. This country won't help you in your darkest hour. You in return owe it nothing.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

It's actually mad how there are people giving out about those fleeing the recession.
Because it used to be the opposite, most of my Dads friends went off to England and the States because there was nothing here for them. Now most of them are back and love to give the likes of my Dad stick for never having the balls to leave and that it was because of men like them, who actually left for work and sent money home that the country stayed afloat at all.

ScumLord

Cunning Stunt wrote: »

Am currently living abroad in a more stable economy. I hate what's happening in Ireland the same as the next person - but that doesn't mean I have to stay there.

I love travelling and appreciate the value of experiencing other cultures, when did you leave?

Brussels Sprout wrote: »

When you talk about staying a fighting what exactly do you expect people to do?
I mean that's all good and well and sounds great but if you try and start a protest movement nobody will join it. If you try and strike, people from a different sector will just give out about you.

Strikes and protest marches are about as effective as trying to blow out a candle with a fart. They focus on the past, communities that have been destroyed by this economic downturn should be assembling and working together. Our communities are disjointed they don't work together to solve problems and can be walked over because they're dealt with as individuals that just happen to live near each other.

Collie D

Stanley Mysterious Gallbladder wrote: »

It's actually mad how there are people giving out about those fleeing the recession.
Because it used to be the opposite, most of my Dads friends went off to England and the States because there was nothing here for them. Now most of them are back and love to give the likes of my Dad stick for never having the balls to leave and that it was because of men like them, who actually left for work and sent money home that the country stayed afloat at all.

Now that is complete bollocks. As I said if people can't get work here they cannot be criticised for looking elsewhere but don;t bring that attitude back home with you.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Collie D wrote: »

Now that is complete bollocks. As I said if people can't get work here they cannot be criticised for looking elsewhere but don;t bring that attitude back home with you.

Oh I know its bollox but thats the attitude they had then and now. No one begrudged them for leaving but I suppose we hadnt known better times.
Now that peole have known better times they want them back which is why they may be angry (jealous) of the people who are leaving.

Brussels Sprout

ScumLord wrote: »

... communities that have been destroyed by this economic downturn should be assembling and working together. Our communities are disjointed they don't work together to solve problems and can be walked over because they're dealt with as individuals that just happen to live near each other.

What exactly should the communities be doing?

What is their bargaining position against being walked all over?

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Stanley Mysterious Gallbladder wrote: »

Well if they stay here and draw the dole its just gonna cost the country even more so best of luck to all of them and I hope they are afforded the opportunity to come back and contribute to society in better times.

So you believe that people should come home after their travels to pay their "dues"? Why? What if they simply hate this country, hate the government, policies, weather or anything else. Why can't they go away and never come back?

ScumLord wrote: »

But why wait for the government, as far as I can see there's no talk of grass roots community action. There's no effort by the people being screwed do do anything. It's one thing to say you tried your best to save this country and your giving up but it's another to bolt for the door as soon as the going gets though.


This is a peoples republic, the government can't fix this country only the people can.

What exactly is it we should do? March day in day out? Rubbish. Why wait for the government? They are the ones with the power to change, not the people. So that idea you have is completely false. It's a load of shít that this idea of the "peoples republic" belongs to the people. It doesn't it belongs to the arseholes sitting in the Dail on there extremely high wage. It's their republic, it's their country and they control everything. We as a people, cannot do shít, we are not even allowed to re-ellect a new governing body, because the current government will not allow it. I'm not getting 100K a year to run this country. Remember that.

I want to hear your ideas on how people on €196 a week can save the country? How is it our fault? What effort should the people be making? I am looking for jobs every day, trying my best to get some fcuking work. I even tried to go back to college, the government wouldn't allow me because I already have a degree, yet the course in question had very few applicants.

The whole country is not going to be up in arms. The rate of poverty has not gone up that much that a revolution is in order. We are, on average, are still very well off. I have fcuk all disposable income, but I have a nice room, I eat good food, I have a decent car and I can go to the cinema or pub every so often. When things actually get bad, something might happen, but things are not bad at all in comparison to some parts of the world.

You know, every so often the weaker minority groups get bashed for another persons mistake, and the government are laughing at ye for this. If it's not the public sector, it's single mothers, or those on social welfare, bank cashiers, or those looking to emmigrate. Why don't you start blaming the people who put us in this mess instead of attacking those looking for a way out of it?

You say emmigrating is giving up? You obviously haven't a clue what you are talking about. Take into account the ammount of effort it takes to move away on your own just so you can have a job and not have the state or your family supporting you. That's growing a pair of balls, that's manning the fcuk up and that's actually doing something.

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Hugo Curved Fibula wrote: »

So you believe that people should come home after their travels to pay their "dues"? Why? What if they simply hate this country, hate the government, policies, weather or anything else. Why can't they go away and never come back?

No, absolutely not! You picked me up wrong and I could have made myself clearer. I just meant that it would be nice if they could come back to a better climate someday if they actually wanted to.
But why should someone feel obliged, they shouldn't imo

syklops

Hugo Curved Fibula wrote: »

So you believe that people should come home after their travels to pay their "dues"? Why? What if they simply hate this country, hate the government, policies, weather or anything else. Why can't they go away and never come back?



What exactly is it we should do? March day in day out? Rubbish. Why wait for the government? They are the ones with the power to change, not the people. So that idea you have is completely false. It's a load of shít that this idea of the "peoples republic" belongs to the people. It doesn't it belongs to the arseholes sitting in the Dail on there extremely high wage. It's their republic, it's their country and they control everything. We as a people, cannot do shít, we are not even allowed to re-ellect a new governing body, because the current government will not allow it. I'm not getting 100K a year to run this country. Remember that.

I want to hear your ideas on how people on €196 a week can save the country? How is it our fault? What effort should the people be making? I am looking for jobs every day, trying my best to get some fcuking work. I even tried to go back to college, the government wouldn't allow me because I already have a degree, yet the course in question had very few applicants.

The whole country is not going to be up in arms. The rate of poverty has not gone up that much that a revolution is in order. We are, on average, are still very well off. I have fcuk all disposable income, but I have a nice room, I eat good food, I have a decent car and I can go to the cinema or pub every so often. When things actually get bad, something might happen, but things are not bad at all in comparison to some parts of the world.

You know, every so often the weaker minority groups get bashed for another persons mistake, and the government are laughing at ye for this. If it's not the public sector, it's single mothers, or those on social welfare, bank cashiers, or those looking to emmigrate. Why don't you start blaming the people who put us in this mess instead of attacking those looking for a way out of it?

You say emmigrating is giving up? You obviously haven't a clue what you are talking about. Take into account the ammount of effort it takes to move away on your own just so you can have a job and not have the state or your family supporting you. That's growing a pair of balls, that's manning the fcuk up and that's actually doing something.

I wish I could thank you twice.

ScumLord

ScumLord wrote: »

But why wait for the government, as far as I can see there's no talk of grass roots community action. There's no effort by the people being screwed do do anything. It's one thing to say you tried your best to save this country and your giving up but it's another to bolt for the door as soon as the going gets though.


This is a peoples republic, the government can't fix this country only the people can.

you know if the weather wasnt so sh*tty it might be worth fighting for. Let those with jobs i.e a real stake in the country with something to lose fight for it

ScumLord

Hugo Curved Fibula wrote: »

What exactly is it we should do? March day in day out? Rubbish.

I've already said marching is pointless.

Why wait for the government? They are the ones with the power to change, not the people. So that idea you have is completely false. It's a load of shít that this idea of the "peoples republic" belongs to the people. It doesn't it belongs to the arseholes sitting in the Dail on there extremely high wage. It's their republic, it's their country and they control everything. We as a people, cannot do shít, we are not even allowed to re-ellect a new governing body, because the current government will not allow it. I'm not getting 100K a year to run this country. Remember that.
.

If that's what you believe then you have given up on this country, your letting them walk all over you.

As individuals we can achieve very little, if the towns around Ireland took it upon themselves to look after themselves they'd have more power like in other country's with local government. If people are hungry we have the land to feed them, we should have our farmers ignore the multinationals and start selling locally. If you need food, help the farmer. If OAPs are suffering it's up to their neighbours to help them, if roads and paths are damaged then just about every town in Ireland has the skilled workforce to do something about it. It's about time the people started helping themselves instead of waiting for the government to do something.

We're waiting to be spoon feed instead of looking after ourselves.

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

Stanley Mysterious Gallbladder wrote: »

No, absolutely not! You picked me up wrong and I could have made myself clearer. I just meant that it would be nice if they could come back to a better climate someday if they actually wanted to.
But why should someone feel obliged, they shouldn't imo

Ah ok sorry. Yea it would be nice, I don't want to stay away for ever. I tell people that I will never come back if I get the chance, but that's not how I truely feel. This is my home and it always will be.

Graduates have very little options for them now. There's the WPP scheme which can be up to 9 months free work, which is a great scheme, but that lenght of time on 196 a week including travel and other expenses, is a bit of a joke.

Emmigrate, it's a great thing for most, but it's also very difficult. People don't want to leave their friends, family and other halves behind them, but they also want work. I am planning on leaving every single thing behind me. It's a life change. I gotta get rid of my pets, I have to give up my hobbies (shooting), I have to leave my family, some of which are elderly and I am not sure if they will be alive when I come back, I am also leaving my girlfriend, just so I can have a job. Nothing more, just a god damned job. It's either that or I will sink into a deep depression and end my life.

What else can a graduate do?

All we want to do is work...

Brussels Sprout

ScumLord wrote: »

we should have our farmers ignore the multinationals and start selling locally

And they should also say this whilst doing so:

"Oh, look at me! I'm making people happy! I'm the Magical Man from Happy-Land, in a gumdrop house on Lollipop Lane!"

OutlawPete

The-Rigger wrote: »

I'm not losing sleep over anyone leaving. I don't care. Good luck to them.

I agree.

Especially when the captain of our ship is below deck blowing holes in the bottom with a fucking shotgun and yet still inviting people from other ships to come aboard cause there is plenty of room.

Nah, I say good luck to them too.

Dr_Phil

Hugo Curved Fibula wrote: »

If I chose to go to another country to find work, I am considered a traitor? I am abandoning my country, community, family and friends? Fcuk that, I am not sitting on my hole waiting for work to land on my lap, nore am I going to sit around this kip to wait for the government to act on the job crisis and do their fcuking jobs. I'm out of here as soon as I possibly can. I just hope my plans work out.

Being an emmigrant (an immigrant in Ireland) myself I wish good luck to you.

I bet in the OPs opinion you shouldn't have left the hospital, as this was the place you were born, neither your street, your town or your county. Remember, people are free and whoever is trying to enslave you - either by force or psychological tricks (like calling you "a traitor", "you've got free education here", etc) should be told to F**K OFF big time.

Hugo Curved Fibula

Hugo Curved Fibula wrote: »

Graduates have very little options for them now. There's the WPP scheme which can be up to 9 months free work, which is a great scheme, but that lenght of time on 196 a week including travel and other expenses, is a bit of a joke.

Its 150 a week for under 25s and the WPP scheme is gonna increase unemployment.....


http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055852864&page=9

You couldnt possibly think thats a good idea? Choices are clean toilets for your dole or emigrate? hmmmn....

epgc3fyqirnbsx

Deleted User wrote: »

Its 150 a week for under 25s and the WPP scheme is gonna increase unemployment.....


http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055852864&page=9

You couldnt possibly think thats a good idea? Choices are clean toilets for your dole or emigrate? hmmmn....

The scheme in theory is a good idea to help people gain experience. But then you look at the website and see 'internships' offered for being a gardener or a waiter and it's obvious that it's been taking advantage of...

SayWhaaat

Rats that don't flee a sinking ship drown...

Hope you can swim OP

Misty Chaos

ScumLord wrote: »

I've already said marching is pointless.


If that's what you believe then you have given up on this country, your letting them walk all over you.

As individuals we can achieve very little, if the towns around Ireland took it upon themselves to look after themselves they'd have more power like in other country's with local government. If people are hungry we have the land to feed them, we should have our farmers ignore the multinationals and start selling locally. If you need food, help the farmer. If OAPs are suffering it's up to their neighbours to help them, if roads and paths are damaged then just about every town in Ireland has the skilled workforce to do something about it. It's about time the people started helping themselves instead of waiting for the government to do something.

We're waiting to be spoon feed instead of looking after ourselves.

Now, this is something I agree with, even when times were good, people were always giving out in some shape or form about the government not doing this thing or funding that thing.

Er... hello? If you want that new school building so bad, then there are other ways to raise funds to pay for it, like doing fundraising events rather than waiting for the government to approve funding that often took forever or never even happened for some places!

Its worth noting that a lot of the specialised equipment in many hospitals across the country were gotten through people fundraising to get it. Now, say what you want about that but it shows that people can rally together to achieve some good when the need arises. As the above said, maybe we could do with more of that simple acts of charity in everyday life?

As for myself, I'll more than likely emigrate, partly because I don't see this country as having much of a creative hub ( except Dublin but for reasons I won't go into, I don't like Dublin and wouldn't want to live there. ) that and I wish to travel and expand my horizons as well.

Basically, I think that the world out there can afford me better opportunities than here in Ireland can ever do, regardless of the economic situation. People were still leaving during the boom times, after all.

Does that mean I'm a traitor to my country? Perhaps in some people's eyes but like Iamxavier said, it still takes a LOT of work to successfully emigrate, maybe even more work than staying put! Remember, we don't owe our country of birth anything and it in turn doesn't owe us anything, to think so otherwise is blind patriotism in my opinion.

Latchy

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm beginning to get a bit pissed off with all this talk of immigration. All these people are in effect abandoning they're communities, families and country, they're leaving this state to the corrupt money hungry "fat cats" that they're complaining about so much. Whatever happened to the fighting Irish, no ones prepared to make a stand for this country instead they flee with their tails between their legs.

Is it really the government that is to blame when we do nothing to stand in their way?

The fighting Irish who fought in the battlefields and trenches of France , Gallipoli , WW2 wearing the uniform of another country sometimes settled in those countries ie, Britain , Australia , Canada to , the ones who survived that is and immigration as we all know is nothing new .

It's just perhaps this time round people have a much bigger reason and larger grievience to do so which is not related to a major military global conflict but an economic one .

m5ex9oqjawdg2i

ScumLord wrote: »

I've already said marching is pointless.

My post was long, your reply was not there when I started to make my post

If that's what you believe then you have given up on this country, your letting them walk all over you.

This is very harsh and a very ignorant statement. Considering you know very little about me. I have given up on my country? How so? Is it because I refuse to take any more handouts? Is it because I wish to find work and there is very little work in this country for me at the moment? That's not my fault. Nor is it something I can fix.

As individuals we can achieve very little, if the towns around Ireland took it upon themselves to look after themselves they'd have more power like in other country's with local government.

How are they to do this? We have heard your arguements but yet you have not come up with any ideas or suggestions on how to fix what is broken.

If people are hungry we have the land to feed them, we should have our farmers ignore the multinationals and start selling locally.

Who is going to pay for the fields and for the crops to grow in them? Who is going to pay for the harvesting of these crops and the distributors of these crops. You also need to realise that Ireland is a small island, we rely on exports. If we did not have exports then this country would not exist as we know it. We also cannot simply ignore competitors or the rules and regulations set out by the EU.

If you need food, help the farmer.

You are talking about volunteering? The level of starvation in this country is extremely low. People dying from lack of food is rare. If you want food, you will get it.

If OAPs are suffering it's up to their neighbours to help them

Suffering in what sense? Lonliness? Disease? It's nobodies obligation to look after anybody else, not including your own dependants. It's a very noble thing to do, but it is not up to anybody to help your neighbour.

if roads and paths are damaged then just about every town in Ireland has the skilled workforce to do something about it.

Why exactly would anybody pay to fix broken footpaths and roads out of their own pocket? Especially when the vast amounts of money we once had got blown on fancy hairdoos and helicopter rides for our government? We pissed money up against a wall, we couldn't get rid of it fast enough.

It's about time the people started helping themselves instead of waiting for the government to do something.

Your whole arguement contradicts itself. You give out about people emmigrating, then you give out to them for not doing anything? They are doing what they can to survive, the only person that matters in times like these is yourself. Of course there is the elderly relative and the likes, but they are not going to live my life.

We're waiting to be spoon feed instead of looking after ourselves.

You keep saying "we". I rather you spoke for yourself to be honest. This person right here is trying his best to look after himself, I am doing what I can do to survive this crisis.

Deleted User wrote: »

Its 150 a week for under 25s and the WPP scheme is gonna increase unemployment.....


http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055852864&page=9

You couldnt possibly think thats a good idea? Choices are clean toilets for your dole or emigrate? hmmmn....

You picked the worste jobs in the whole fcuking scheme. 10/10 for scaremongering. There are excellent job opportunities in that scheme. I for one will be trying my best to secure those opportunities. There will always be cowboys trying to maximise profits and take the government for a ride. Try ignore that aspect and this scheme is actually a decent one.

Dr_Phil wrote: »

Being an emmigrant (an immigrant in Ireland) myself I wish good luck to you.

I bet in the OPs opinion you shouldn't have left the hospital, as this was the place you were born, neither your street, your town or your county. Remember, people are free and whoever is trying to enslave you - either by force or psychological tricks (like calling you "a traitor", "you've got free education here", etc) should be told to F**K OFF big time.

Thank you very much

mojesius

Deleted User wrote: »

Its 150 a week for under 25s and the WPP scheme is gonna increase unemployment.....


http://boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2055852864&page=9

You couldnt possibly think thats a good idea? Choices are clean toilets for your dole or emigrate? hmmmn....

Thank you.

I can probably continue my 10 hour hospitality job for 100 euro a week when I graduate in June (there are no more hours), continue to live on reduced rent at the expense of my mother and try somehow to make this magical 'stand', go on the dole or jump with the other rats. Nobody's asking to be spoon-fed the perfect job here and those who are suffer from delusion.

However, I wish people would get off their high horse and stop pushing this national pride crap. It only gets you so far in reality. Most of my fellow students are applying for anything and everything we see advertised so that we don't have to sign on come June. And believe me, opportunities (even unpaid) are few and far between. If you had a look at any company/job websites, you'd realise this.

PK2008

Yeh cos Irish people wouldnt be known for emigrating or anything:rolleyes:

Any coffin ship tickets going anywhere?

Hugo Curved Fibula

Hugo Curved Fibula wrote: »

You picked the worste jobs in the whole fcuking scheme. 10/10 for scaremongering. There are excellent job opportunities in that scheme. I for one will be trying my best to secure those opportunities. There will always be cowboys trying to maximise profits and take the government for a ride. Try ignore that aspect and this scheme is actually a decent one.

no not scaremongering, when companies replace paid positions with unpaid fas jobs its definitely a step backwards. Schemes like that increase unemployment and encourage emigration

Alessandra

I left this country because I was not able to get a decent job after 2 degrees in University and many applications. I did not want to join the statistic of the current 13.4% unemployed, many of whom graduates like myself.

I'm even more determined not to return here following the latest news that over the next 10 years plus my parents and the rest of the taxpayers in the country will be repaying debt which they hard no part in creating.

I resent the fact that you call people such as myself "rats". The real "rats" of this country are those in power and those who have riddled the countries coffers with their excessive borrowing.

ScumLord

Hugo Curved Fibula wrote: »

This is very harsh and a very ignorant statement. Considering you know very little about me. I have given up on my country? How so? Is it because I refuse to take any more handouts? Is it because I wish to find work and there is very little work in this country for me at the moment? That's not my fault. Nor is it something I can fix.

Ok, perhaps harsh but your statement about this not being the peoples country and there's nothing we can do about it did make my blood boil.

Who is going to pay for the fields and for the crops to grow in them? Who is going to pay for the harvesting of these crops and the distributors of these crops. You also need to realise that Ireland is a small island, we rely on exports. If we did not have exports then this country would not exist as we know it. We also cannot simply ignore competitors or the rules and regulations set out by the EU.

The fields are bought and paid for, I'm talking about the farmer, the builder, the teacher all coming together to bypass the governments inadequacies. We're not starving yet but it's an example, all the resources and knowledge we need to fix this country are there they're just not being utilised.

Suffering in what sense? Lonliness? Disease? It's nobodies obligation to look after anybody else, not including your own dependants. It's a very noble thing to do, but it is not up to anybody to help your neighbour.

I'd have to disagree, people need each other and should look after each other. You or I cannot survive on our own we need others and it's wrong to take and not give something back.

Why exactly would anybody pay to fix broken footpaths and roads out of their own pocket? Especially when the vast amounts of money we once had got blown on fancy hairdoos and helicopter rides for our government? We pissed money up against a wall, we couldn't get rid of it fast enough.

Because it's their path, why not invest they're own money in they're own community besides having the government waste it on the otherside of the country?

You keep saying "we". I rather you spoke for yourself to be honest. This person right here is trying his best to look after himself, I am doing what I can do to survive this crisis.

I have a job, I'm working on community projects, our town has been completely ignored so we've taken it upon ourselves to do something about it. When they said we couldn't have broadband we went and did everything we could to bring it in ourselves we failed due to regulations but within 6 months the town had broadband. If community's don't look out for themselves no one else will. There are ongoing projects that have been fought for tooth and nail we won't be dependant on a useless government.

Amhran Nua

I wouldn't hold it against anyone that wanted to leave to find work elsewhere. I wouldn't advise it though - this is our country, our home, where our friends and family are, and I think thats worth fighting for. Put the watered-beer-peddling publicans and the politicans with their ghoulish mé féinism and post colonial wisdom on the boat and lets run the place properly, Ireland could be an outstanding country with just a little effort.

Its not right that people should be forced to emigrate against their will through the incompetent mismanagement of the place, and by the decisions of a minister whose father infamously said "we can't all live on this little island", for which he should have been run out of politics.

I'm not standing for it and I don't think you should either.

narwog81

Stanley Mysterious Gallbladder wrote: »

. Now most of them are back and love to give the likes of my Dad stick for never having the balls to leave and that it was because of men like them, who actually left for work and sent money home that the country stayed afloat at all.

the only foreign money that significantly impacted the economy was the deluge of cheap cash made available to irish banks when Ireland joined the EMU.
Irish banks borrowed 2-3 times our GDP between 1999-2007, everyone got nice new cars and holidays and now the place is in a heap and we're all leaving again....

narwog81

ScumLord wrote: »

I'm beginning to get a bit pissed off with all this talk of immigration. All these people are in effect abandoning they're communities, families and country, they're leaving this state to the corrupt money hungry "fat cats" that they're complaining about so much. Whatever happened to the fighting Irish, no ones prepared to make a stand for this country instead they flee with their tails between their legs.

Is it really the government that is to blame when we do nothing to stand in their way?

the fighting Irish havent understood yet the criminial injustice thats been done to them by the governments actions this week and in the last 18 months.

if the average man on the street actually knew understood the level of deception and injustice that NAMA is inflicting on the country and its future there would already be blood on the streets.

i think moore mcdowell said on primetime that NAMA would wipe 5-6% of our annual GDP growth for the next 30 years. If thats the case then short of striking oil of the west coast we can forget about ever returning to anything close to the prosperity we enjoyed for the last decade

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Deleted User wrote: »

no not scaremongering, when companies replace paid positions with unpaid fas jobs its definitely a step backwards. Schemes like that increase unemployment and encourage emigration

It's scaremongering. You have linked two jobs and said that this whole scheme increases unemployment and emigration? Any proof on this or is it just speculation? If anything this scheme is going to help people secure a job as it gives them the skills and experience needed to secure a job these days.

ScumLord wrote: »

Ok, perhaps harsh but your statement about this not being the peoples country and there's nothing we can do about it did make my blood boil.

Your accusations and false claims boil my blood. I am not a rat, nor is it my fault that this country is in the mess it is in, nor is this country mine, nor can I do anything about it.

The fields are bought and paid for,

What fields? Where are they? Who paid for them? Are those people who paid for the fields going to let you plant on them for free? I highly doubt it.

I'm talking about the farmer, the builder, the teacher all coming together to bypass the governments inadequacies. We're not starving yet but it's an example, all the resources and knowledge we need to fix this country are there they're just not being utilised.

How do you make this work? How do you get these people to work together? Why would anybody want to do this?

I'd have to disagree, people need each other and should look after each other. You or I cannot survive on our own we need others and it's wrong to take and not give something back.

Again, please speak for yourself. I have the skill set to survive on my own. Is it wrong to not give something back? Screw morals, morals won't get me a job, nor will they feed me nor will they get me a newer car. It's not so black and white either. What exactly should we give back? If you get a good deal in a shop, do you feel guilty about taking that good deal? Do you go back to that shop and buy more of their goods because of that one good deal you got? I owe this country nothing...

Because it's their path, why not invest they're own money in they're own community besides having the government waste it on the otherside of the country?

You know what taxes are?

Why would any sain person invest their own money into a public path?

So people should invest their own money, after tax, on fixing their public areas, instead of having the government waste their money on it? And what should the government be spending their money on anyway?

I have a job, I'm working on community projects, our town has been completely ignored so we've taken it upon ourselves to do something about it. When they said we couldn't have broadband we went and did everything we could to bring it in ourselves we failed due to regulations but within 6 months the town had broadband. If community's don't look out for themselves no one else will. There are ongoing projects that have been fought for tooth and nail we won't be dependant on a useless government.

Fair play to ye, but not everybody is in that situation, and not everybody really cares, nor should they. Yet, that's not going to fix the country. That's not going to get me a job.

Amhran Nua wrote: »

I wouldn't hold it against anyone that wanted to leave to find work elsewhere. I wouldn't advise it though - this is our country, our home, where our friends and family are, and I think thats worth fighting for. Put the watered-beer-peddling publicans and the politicans with their ghoulish mé féinism and post colonial wisdom on the boat and lets run the place properly, Ireland could be an outstanding country with just a little effort.

Its not right that people should be forced to emigrate against their will through the incompetent mismanagement of the place, and by the decisions of a minister whose father infamously said "we can't all live on this little island", for which he should have been run out of politics.

I'm not standing for it and I don't think you should either.

Nobody is being forced against their will, it's a difficult choice, but it's a choice none the less.

What would you advise the people who are emigrating to do instead? People, including myself, are simply sick and tired looking for work in this country so we are trying elsewhere. We may get work elsewhere or we may not, but at least we are going to try.