JaMarcus Russell at 290 pounds

bobby wade

Apparently he's a little overweight

Neil3030

Goalline QB sneak ftw!

frostie500

I thought he looked pretty trim in that photo compared some we've seen!

Dohnny Jepp

Neil3030 wrote: »

Goalline QB sneak ftw!

Qb roll or Qb waddle. You can't sneak when you're that size:P

TheHeadhunter

bobby wade wrote: »

Apparently he's a little overweight

No ****!

Max Power1

FFS Why dont we trade for mcnabb and CUT russell? Theres no cap penalties so why not?

frostie500

Max Power1 wrote: »

FFS Why dont we trade for mcnabb and CUT russell? Theres no cap penalties so why not?

Because can't you see from the image that Russel is an athlete and we all know how Al Davis loves his athletes!

Peyton Manning

Apparently Russell has shed quite a bit of weight already, and looks way different.

Chucky the tree

Max Power1 wrote: »

FFS Why dont we trade for mcnabb and CUT russell? Theres no cap penalties so why not?

Trading for McNabb is a complete waste. If we cut JR we have to give him $18m up front, this year we only have to pay him $3m if we keep him on the roster. Makes much more sense to keep him.

Dohnny Jepp

I think the raiders should keep him anyway. I think he could still come good. . . . well i think there is a chance that he might be useful:P

Max Power1

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Trading for McNabb is a complete waste. If we cut JR we have to give him $18m up front, this year we only have to pay him $3m if we keep him on the roster. Makes much more sense to keep him.

Ah.. I wasnt aware of the extortionionate guaranteed money!

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

I think the raiders should keep him anyway. I think he could still come good. . . . well i think there is a chance that he might be useful:P

wait, this is Jamarcus Russell we're talking about. You do realise that you just used the words Jamarcus Russel and Useful in the same sentence right?

Frisbee

Chucky the tree wrote: »

Trading for McNabb is a complete waste. If we cut JR we have to give him $18m up front, this year we only have to pay him $3m if we keep him on the roster. Makes much more sense to keep him.

Plus, ya know, he's an athlete... :pac:

tallaghtoutlaws

Im not a Russell fan but you do all realise that photo has been shopped so many times its got diseases right? That same photo has appeared shopped on so many different fan websites.

Fantastic49ers

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

I think the raiders should keep him anyway. I think he could still come good. . . . well i think there is a chance that he might be useful:P

He might make a good o line back up, but qb no chance. U may have guessed i'm a niner fan, we know these things... and now we have a new carr to park on the bench...

f1dan

Archimedes wrote: »

Apparently Russell has shed quite a bit of weight already, and looks way different.

He's dropped 20 pounds to get to 270, which is still about 35 pounds overweight. He went up to 290 after he got dropped in favour of Gradkowski.

bobby wade

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Im not a Russell fan but you do all realise that photo has been shopped so many times its got diseases right? That same photo has appeared shopped on so many different fan websites.

I thought thast would be pretty obvious

tallaghtoutlaws

bobby wade wrote: »

I thought thast would be pretty obvious

Just making sure, My joke meter is low today

jgjkl

yeeeah!

Max Power1

Thanlks for ressurecting this thread! It made me wonder what weight good old JR is now :P Id hazard a guess around 350!

ReacherCreature

I was looking up JaMarcus Russell's weight for the fun of it and came across this on Wikipedia:

On May 16, it was reported that several teams interested in signing Russell are exploring moving him to another position

What other position could he play? Just curious about it.

tallaghtoutlaws

ReacherCreature wrote: »

I was looking up JaMarcus Russell's weight for the fun of it and came across this on Wikipedia:



What other position could he play? Just curious about it.

Water Boy

I can't picture him in any other position. Maybe a blocking TE or something considering he weighs so much.

boccy23

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

Water Boy

I can't picture him in any other position. Maybe a blocking TE or something considering he weighs so much.

Yeah TE is the talk. Due the size and hands apparently. I would have thought he would be better off in Canada or the UFL at QB to try and resurrect some sort of career.

heyjude

tallaghtoutlaws wrote: »

I can't picture him in any other position. Maybe a blocking TE or something considering he weighs so much.

But as a tight end, particularly a blocking TE you have to be able to be very physical and ideally, hit hard, while either a blocking or pass catching TE is expected to be able to take a hit and come back for more. Russell despite his size has never been very physical and wouldn't be regarded as a 'tough' QB, so the prospects aren't great that he's gonna start brushing off the hits and start dishing them out. Of course, as a QB many of the hits he received were from 300+lb linemen, whereas a TE is more likely to be facing a smaller linebacker or safety.

boccy23 wrote: »

I would have thought he would be better off in Canada or the UFL at QB to try and resurrect some sort of career.

I agree and I'd be surprised if Russell even considered changing position, you can make a million or two a year as a backup QB, while most backup TE's or blocking TE's make nothing like that. Unless he becomes another Antonio Gates !!!

tallaghtoutlaws

heyjude wrote: »

But as a tight end, particularly a blocking TE you have to be able to be very physical and ideally, hit hard, while either a blocking or pass catching TE is expected to be able to take a hit and come back for more. Russell despite his size has never been very physical and wouldn't be regarded as a 'tough' QB, so the prospects aren't great that he's gonna start brushing off the hits and start dishing them out. Of course, as a QB many of the hits he received were from 300+lb linemen, whereas a TE is more likely to be facing a smaller linebacker or safety.

Tis why I said I can't see him anywhere else to be honest. Also as a TE you will have a End over you also. Lets not forget how big some ends in the NFL are. Richard Seymour over Russell type scenario. He will only be dealing with smaller Safeties if the run breaks for yards down field or the play is designed for him to block down field and not take the End straight up.

eagle eye

The Oakland Raiders have filed a grievance with the NFL seeking $9.55 million of the more than $39 million quarterback JaMarcus Russell received during his three-year tenure with the team.

http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_15179908?nclick_check=1

Dohnny Jepp

eagle eye wrote: »

http://www.mercurynews.com/peninsula/ci_15179908?nclick_check=1

He doesn't "deserve" a penny of it but at the end of the day the raiders gave him the mahoosive contract so they don;t deserve any of it back.

Max Power1

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

He doesn't "deserve" a penny of it but at the end of the day the raiders gave him the mahoosive contract so they don;t deserve any of it back.

He didnt earn a penny of it when he was playing so he certainly doesnt deserve any of it now either!

That said, If you had a chance that you were contractually entitled to recoup a few million from an overpaid draft bust, Im sure youd try too!

Dohnny Jepp

No harm in trying! Especially when it's probably the biggest embarassment of that franchise.

However they gave him the contract, I cant see how they'd have a legal leg to stand on

tallaghtoutlaws

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

No harm in trying! Especially when it's probably the biggest embarassment of that franchise.

However they gave him the contract, I cant see how they'd have a legal leg to stand on

Have to agree be interesting to see how this plays out.

Trampas

JaMarcus Russell Busted For Codeine

http://www.sportsuntapped.com/jamarcus-russell-busted-for-codeine-110308/

f1dan

2 of the side effects of codeine addiction are apparently weight gain and lethargy.

Interesting.

jdivision

The Raiders statement makes you wonder...

Max Power1

f1dan wrote: »

2 of the side effects of codeine addiction are apparently weight gain and lethargy.

Interesting.

But the question is what happens if you already are lethargic and overweight!

Hazys

http://www.ufl-football.com/omaha-nighthawks/player-roster/russell-jamarcus

260LBs yeah right

Dohnny Jepp

Hazys wrote: »

http://www.ufl-football.com/omaha-nighthawks/player-roster/russell-jamarcus

260LBs yeah right

Yeah I think they are missing a zero:P

Max Power1

Dohnny Jepp wrote: »

Yeah I think they are missing a zero:P

I think they wrote LBs when they meant KGs

tallaghtoutlaws

No longer on the Nighthawks Roster:

http://www.ufl-football.com/omaha-nighthawks/player-roster

Seems they have dropped him already haha

mikemac

The UFL pick any available player, there is no obligation on a player to ever show up at their facility, not unless they want to and sign a contact

Frank Walker, CB for the Ravens got cut and then picked by an UFL team.
He laughed about it on the website and no way would he go play UFL, was beneath him
Joke is on him as no NFL team will sign him.

Wasn't that bad a CB, very physical and did well in the playoffs but he was a magnet for pass interference calls.

tallaghtoutlaws

feelingstressed wrote: »

The UFL pick any available player, there is no obligation on a player to ever show up at their facility, not unless they want to and sign a contact

Frank Walker, CB for the Ravens got cut and then picked by an UFL team.
He laughed about it on the website and no way would he go play UFL, was beneath him
Joke is on him as no NFL team will sign him.

Wasn't that bad a CB, very physical and did well in the playoffs but he was a magnet for pass interference calls.

Kind of sums up how rubbish the UFL is. Their Goal sounded unique in the beginning now they are clearly just winging it.

Explanation for those who haven't read it.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/16/ufl-explains-that-players-listed-on-rosters-may-not-actually-be-on-rosters/

Well, the UFL finally has addressed the curious presence on Omaha Nighthawks' roster of various former NFL players who have not yet agreed to play for the team, including quarterback JaMarcus Russell, the first pick in the 2007 draft.

Though some of the men haven't signed contracts, the Nighthawks have secured dibs on the players, via the UFL draft or otherwise. And so the Nighthawks have placed the men on the roster.

Other UFL teams are apparently doing the same thing.

"Players listed on UFL rosters are a combination of signed and unsigned players," the league said in a release. "Teams own the UFL rights to the players listed on their respective roster provided they are not signed to another professional team's roster."

That's fine. But the rosters need to point out this distinction. Though some would argue that it's no different than an NFL team listing unsigned draft picks on its roster, NFL draft picks almost always sign with the team that holds their rights. For the UFL, targeting various free agents who are not under currently contract with NFL teams, but who presumably would like to be, looks more like a list to be recited while sitting on the lap of a large man in a red suit who smells like beef and cheese.

UALacrosse

He has been a bust ever since he got out of college.

ReacherCreature

@UALacrosse, How? What if he was good?

UALacrosse

Your question makes no sense what so ever. What if he was good? Then he would not be a bust. He has not ever had a good season, which I know is hard to have with the Raiders, but nevertheless he has not produced, which is expected from the number 1 pic in the draft. Therefore he is a bust...

ReacherCreature

UALacrosse wrote: »

He has been a bust ever since he got out of college.

UALacrosse wrote: »

Your question makes no sense what so ever. What if he was good? Then he would not be a bust. He has not ever had a good season, which I know is hard to have with the Raiders, but nevertheless he has not produced, which is expected from the number 1 pic in the draft. Therefore he is a bust...

Yeah but you stated that the moment he left college that he was a bust. I've heard a few say this and hindsight's a beautiful thing but you don't explain.

Peyton Manning had a sh!t first season and look what he developed into.

Russell could have had a bad first season and then developed but your thing is saying since the moment he left college he was a bust. Just don't understand it.

tallaghtoutlaws

Have to agree with Reacher Creature. To say JMR was a bust the second he left college is flawed.

He *Had* potential but blew it as he was a fat lazy sap who held out on a contract and got fat and most likely as it turns out was taking codeine by the bucket load.

Had he had a better attitude and worked his a$$ off he could have had a better career and succeeded. But of course hindsight is a wonderful thing.

Chucky the tree

He was never good in college in the first place.

mikemac

I listen to the ESPN Football Today podcasts and they bring in Coach Martinez every few weeks.
QB coach and Tom Brady brings him in for personal tutoring so gotta respect that
He also worked extensivly with JMR, he realy is a fascinating person to listen to as he breaks down the QB position

Tom Martinez is a nationally renowned quarterbacks coach, and has been the personal tutor for Tom Brady since Brady's teen years. He worked closely with eventual No. 1 overall pick JaMarcus Russell prior to the 2007 NFL Draft, and believes Russell's career is salvageable.

Martinez says Russell didn't ruin himself. The Raiders did it.

"He was never wanted there by any of the coaches," Martinez told Kristian R. Dyer of the New York Times. "The only one who wanted him there was Al Davis. ... Al Davis told them to draft him. He was the epitome of an Al Davis quarterback."

Martinez also noted that, during contract negotiations, the Raiders spoiled Russell by paying him $4 million more than Russell was asking for rather than meeting in the middle.

As for Russell's sssslow development, Martinez blames the supporting cast Davis assembled. Martinez pointed to weak offensive linemen, "receivers who don't know how to get open, who don't know how to separate," and misuse of running backs in the passing game.

I can see the point.
However, coming to end of last season they brought in Gradowski and the team immediately improved, the players seemed to respond. Bruuuuuce!
I'm not saying JMR is getting overly harsh treatment here. He needed a wake up call.
I do believe he has a future in the NFL. He may have to feck off to CFL for a few seasons first but he is young and I reckon he'll be a starter in the NFL yet

UALacrosse

@ReacherCreature- Yes Peyton Manning did have a bad first year, but after that he was able to turn it around. If he was not able to turn it around then he would be a bust as well. Russel had 3 seasons to work and be able to turn it around, but never did. I understand the Raiders are not the most ideal team to go to, but they are still an NFL team. Russel is a talented player, not going to deny that as he showed in college, but he has never lived up to that talent in the NFL. I just believe that if you are the number 1 pick in the NFL draft and are getting paid a ridiculous amount of money you should show some motivation to work hard and get better, none of which Russel did. So, yes, in my mind he has been a bust since he has gotten out of college.

Chucky the tree

feelingstressed wrote: »

I listen to the ESPN Football Today podcasts and they bring in Coach Martinez every few weeks.
QB coach and Tom Brady brings him in for personal tutoring so gotta respect that
He also worked extensivly with JMR, he realy is a fascinating person to listen to as he breaks down the QB position



I can see the point.
However, coming to end of last season they brought in Gradowski and the team immediately improved, the players seemed to respond. Bruuuuuce!
I'm not saying JMR is getting overly harsh treatment here. He needed a wake up call.
I do believe he has a future in the NFL. He may have to feck off to CFL for a few seasons first but he is young and I reckon he'll be a starter in the NFL yet

Hardly surprising to see someone who coached him push all the blame away from his skills(or lack of) onto the team.

ReacherCreature

UALacrosse wrote: »

@ReacherCreature- Yes Peyton Manning did have a bad first year, but after that he was able to turn it around. If he was not able to turn it around then he would be a bust as well. Russel had 3 seasons to work and be able to turn it around, but never did. I understand the Raiders are not the most ideal team to go to, but they are still an NFL team. Russel is a talented player, not going to deny that as he showed in college, but he has never lived up to that talent in the NFL. I just believe that if you are the number 1 pick in the NFL draft and are getting paid a ridiculous amount of money you should show some motivation to work hard and get better, none of which Russel did. So, yes, in my mind he has been a bust since he has gotten out of college.

I agree but your posts are being taken out of context to what I'm arguing. Even if he had a good/bad campaign in college calling him a bust the minute he leaves college is harsh. With the benefit of hindsight you can say he was rubbish but at this stage he hadn't played a down in the NFL and you're labelling him a bust.

UALacrosse

OK honestly I think this is a really stupid argument. Since he has been in the league for over three years I have the ability of hindsight, which allows me to call him a bust since he left college. It is not like he just got out of college this year and I am calling him a bust. He has been given a chance and he has not produced since he has gotten out of college... making him a bust since he left college.

Juan Pablo

Really pushing Ryan Leaf for "Biggest bust of all time" tag <insert Lola Ferrari joke here> . Leaf had some kind of run in with the law over drugs too iirc. Possibly not the Purple Drank though.