PS3 Firmware (v3.21) Update 1st April

inFamouxee

My only problem with this update is MY CONTROLLER KEEP GOING ON NUMBER 2! :mad: WHY EVERYTIME THERE'S AN UPDATE CONTROLLER IS ALWAYS GETTING F UP!

L'prof

If you have the OS installed, it recommends that you back up all data used by the "Other OS" and the PS3 system software to storage media and then format the hard drive.

projectmayhem

Grumpypants wrote: »

Nothing illegal has taken place. Once you own a product you are free to do what you want with it. Same way you can buy a car and change the tires on it.


This is like buying a bicycle and 2 weeks later the guy from the shop comes out takes 1 peddle off you because some other kid was doing wheelies. Telling you it will still move but this is just a measure to ensure your continued safety to stop you from doing wheelies in case you where going to do them even though you have shown no interest in wheelies.

You're not comparing like for like. Removing a pedal or changing the tyres on a car inhibits the basic function of the product, while removing OtherOS does not inhibit the basic function of the device, but does prevent hackers from gaining unwanted access to the system to use it for illegal activities.

Leiva

projectmayhem wrote: »

You're not comparing like for like. Removing a pedal or changing the tyres on a car inhibits the basic function of the product, while removing OtherOS does not inhibit the basic function of the device, but does prevent hackers from gaining unwanted access to the THEIR system to use it for illegal activities.

Difference

Leiva

Minstrel27 wrote: »

Where is my tin foil hat.

LOL ..Re-reading it did sound like that .

astrofool

It's Sony's online service, if you want to connect to it, you play by their rules, if you don't, you can keep running Linux.

Leiva

astrofool wrote: »

It's Sony's online service, if you want to connect to it, you play by their rules, if you don't, you can keep running Linux.

OK my last post on this Thread , even Im getting fed up of me .

Its not about Other OS or Linux or any other feature on the PS3 , its about SONY removing features from sold devices remotely .

PATCH THE PROBLEM , DONT REMOVE THE FEATURE !

whiterebel

mixednuts wrote: »

OK my last post on this Thread , even Im getting fed up of me .

Its not about Other OS or Linux or any other feature on the PS3 , its about SONY removing features from sold devices remotely .

PATCH THE PROBLEM , DONT REMOVE THE FEATURE !

It s a bit like Apple removing the ability to send SMS with the iPhone because naughty people have figured out how to jailbreak it. Seeing as it was sold as a "feature" of the PS3, its not right just to remove it. Sony really have completely lost the plot with regard to good PR with everything they do with the PS3.

ongarite

If this were a change to the Game OS and taking something away from it, then I would be annoyed about this but its not.
Its taking away the Other OS capability that 99% of PS3 users don't care about and 99.9% have never used.
This feature has been gone for nearly 8 months now since the Slim PS3 went on sale and I can't remember this big a fuss at the time.

whiterebel

ongarite wrote: »

If this were a change to the Game OS and taking something away from it, then I would be annoyed about this but its not.
Its taking away the Other OS capability that 99% of PS3 users don't care about and 99.9% have never used.
This feature has been gone for nearly 8 months now since the Slim PS3 went on sale and I can't remember this big a fuss at the time.

You then had the choice to buy one which could do it, or buy the slim and do without. What mixednuts is saying is removing it from a product that has already been sold is wrong, and I agree with him. Doesn't matter whether 100% or 0.01% use it, they shouldn't remove it.

projectmayhem

mixednuts wrote: »

Its not about Other OS or Linux or any other feature on the PS3 , its about SONY removing features from sold devices remotely .

No one is arguing that point. The fact is you, and others, are getting riled up without seeing the point here. Sony don't want to do this - it's a cool feature to sell on, but they cannot leave it in if it allows people to hack devices and pirate games. It's saving the gaming economy millions, but people are going online and crying about a terrible version of linux.

They didn't remove a critical feature. If it was a critical feature, it'd be patched rather then removed.

mixednuts wrote: »

Difference

You don't have to update your system. As someone said, it's their online server. Don't use it if you want linux.

eddhorse

So do you actually have to format the hard drive with this update?

Grumpypants

projectmayhem wrote: »

You're not comparing like for like. Removing a pedal or changing the tyres on a car inhibits the basic function of the product, while removing OtherOS does not inhibit the basic function of the device, but does prevent hackers from gaining unwanted access to the system to use it for illegal activities.

The ps3 still does its basic functions but if i wanted a basic games machine id buy an xbox 360. ( well i did that too )

I wish Sony would stop treating me like a potential criminal unable to stop myself stealing games if they don't do it for me.


Here is a well thought out response to piracy from one of the gaming industries big wigs. Valves Gabe. Basically dissmisses all the industry rubbish rolled out about piracy. From about 3 mins in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87pevh2Q0hg&feature=related

Jackobyte

I'm not sure whether to download or not. I don't use OtherOS or plan to install Linux but I would prefer to leave my playstation open incase the GeoHotz exploit becomes common and people start designing Homebrews for the PS3. I wouldn't use it to source games illegally (if they have spent millions designing it and it is a good game, they deserve to be paid) but if people start releasing homebrews for free, I wouldn't want to miss out on them.

eddhorse

Eh there has been a few homebrews for ages now, i was using MAME on mine !!

Jackobyte

eddhorse wrote: »

Eh there has been a few homebrews for ages now, i was using MAME on mine !!

And did you update?

astrofool

It's pretty obvious that allowing another OS to be installed on a proprietary machine is going to be a huge attack vector, Sony probably figured it was much easier and cheaper to remove the feature, rather than infinitely patch it (which they would have to do, Sony write awful awful software).

eddhorse

Jackobyte wrote: »

And did you update?

No not yet as i am in work, but i will later and lose its functionality.
We just have to get on with things, forget holding out for Geohot to get around the issue.
You can get around the firmware update by :

1) Download the SimpleDNS software from: http://www.simpledns.com/download.aspx

2) Run SimpleDNS (you don't have to reboot despite the installer telling you to..), click on the Records button.

3) In the records window, click on Tools > Quick Domain Wizard

4) For domain name enter: ps3.update.playstation.net

For Web server IP enter 67.15.88.46, delete the Secondary DNS name entry, you do not need it.

5) Now that you have your new server added, you need to add A Name entries so the ps3 gets redirected on the firmware requests, to do this simply right click and choose New Host Address (A-Record).

6) We need to add two A-Name entries, depending on what region you are in. You can add as many as you'd like if you want to cover your bases though.

For the us, we need fus01.ps3.update.playstation.net and dus01.ps3.update.playstation.net

So, in the host address window, enter fus01.ps3.update.playstation.net for Record name, and 67.15.88.46 for IP Address, set the Time To Live to 999 days. Repeat this for dus01.ps3.update.playstation.net

7) your end result should be a setup similiar to this, once done simply close the records window in SimpleDNS so that it is back at the activity window

8) On your PlayStation 3, go into Internet settings and enter manual setup and set your PS3's DNS server entry for the IP of the PC on your LAN which is running SimpleDNS, then away you go!

Jackobyte

I updated anyway. I would much rather choose online gaming over possibly getting homebrews in the future. I would rather not have had to make the choice but what can you do!

EDIT: It was half way through the update when you posted but meh, I'm not too bothered. My internet connection isn't really open to manual settings as it is through ICS on my laptop.

projectmayhem

Grumpypants wrote: »

I wish Sony would stop treating me like a potential criminal unable to stop myself stealing games if they don't do it for me.

That argument falls to pieces when you look at the PSP. It's a total disaster because of piracy, which ruined the platform and forced 2 quick revisions to help get it out of the hole it was in.

Developers have cut budgets and even stopped working on PSP altogether because there's no economic reason to develop, because everyone pirates their games on it.

Grumpypants wrote: »

Here is a well thought out response to piracy from one of the gaming industries big wigs. Valves Gabe. Basically dissmisses all the industry rubbish rolled out about piracy. From about 3 mins in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87pevh2Q0hg&feature=related

First thing is that Gabe talks an incredible amount of crap, all the time. Second, his view on piracy is not the same as first, he doesn't develop on a console and second he doesn't release disc-based games. Even buying a disk of a Valve title only ensures you get a code to download the title on Steam. This is not viable on a PS3 as everyone needs to be online to ensure their disk operates effectively.

Grumpypants

projectmayhem wrote: »

That argument falls to pieces when you look at the PSP. It's a total disaster because of piracy, which ruined the platform and forced 2 quick revisions to help get it out of the hole it was in.

Developers have cut budgets and even stopped working on PSP altogether because there's no economic reason to develop, because everyone pirates their games on it.

First thing is that Gabe talks an incredible amount of crap, all the time. Second, his view on piracy is not the same as first, he doesn't develop on a console and second he doesn't release disc-based games. Even buying a disk of a Valve title only ensures you get a code to download the title on Steam. This is not viable on a PS3 as everyone needs to be online to ensure their disk operates effectively.

I would list these PSP problems long before i would listen to any problems CFW created. While also pointing out that cfw prob saved it as a platform.

1. Cost : it is far too expensive. PSP go came out at 250euro 50 euro cheaper than a ps3 !!!
2. Cost of games : When the psp was first launched games where 30,40 or 50 euro's and they where for the most part poor ps2 ports.
3. Lack of software support : Games is what its about the machine just didnt get decent software support long beofer CFW became an option.
4. Only 1 stick : meaning all those PS2 ports didnt quite work the same FPS are out anything really in a 3d world didnt work too well.
5. Screen : PSP cant be played during day light hours as you cant see a flipping thing.
6. UMD awfull noisy and impossible to carry around a few with you.
7. Utterly useless wifi/internet option.



CFW opened it up to homebrews, let you carry your games on a memory stick to name a few things that make me go back to the PSP. Now Sony have added these to the service (adding a service not taking away one) i have my PSP updated with official FW because it can do what i want it to do now.

Surley applying your arguement, that a hacked machine looses developers the same must be true for other machines hacked. The 360 or Wii for example surley no one develops for those machines either ??

Valve do release games on disk orange box and left for dead on 360 for example (a 360 being a machine that has been hacked). And PS3 users do need to be online to update this new frimware. What happens next month when someone buys a game that has no internet access and cant play it because they havent the latest update ?? He does talk some rubbish but his point on Russia does stand up.

eddhorse

projectmayhem wrote: »

That argument falls to pieces when you look at the PSP. It's a total disaster because of piracy, which ruined the platform and forced 2 quick revisions to help get it out of the hole it was in.

Developers have cut budgets and even stopped working on PSP altogether because there's no economic reason to develop, because everyone pirates their games on it.



First thing is that Gabe talks an incredible amount of crap, all the time. Second, his view on piracy is not the same as first, he doesn't develop on a console and second he doesn't release disc-based games. Even buying a disk of a Valve title only ensures you get a code to download the title on Steam. This is not viable on a PS3 as everyone needs to be online to ensure their disk operates effectively.

All this is exactly how i stand on this, piracy would wreck the ps3. FACT !
And as for Gabe and his code based Valve system is totally different and not relevant, he talks a lot of BS ...

nucking futs

Grumpypants wrote: »

And PS3 users do need to be online to update this new frimware. What happens next month when someone buys a game that has no internet access and cant play it because they havent the latest update ??

No they don't, all necessary updates can be downloaded off the disc as it's deemed necessary, e.g. a game that needs 3.15 to play will have the necessary code on the disc to install it, so having or not having internet access makes no difference, the system will be as up-to-date as is needed.

Grumpypants

nucking futs wrote: »

No they don't, all necessary updates can be downloaded off the disc as it's deemed necessary, e.g. a game that needs 3.15 to play will have the necessary code on the disc to install it, so having or not having internet access makes no difference, the system will be as up-to-date as is needed.

Ah never seen this on a ps3 game before but ill take it that your right.

Grumpypants

eddhorse wrote: »

All this is exactly how i stand on this, piracy would wreck the ps3. FACT !
And as for Gabe and his code based Valve system is totally different and not relevant, he talks a lot of BS ...

Like it has wrecked the Wii, and the xbox 360 ???
Like it has wrecked the music industry and the film industry and the clothing industry...... hold on a second i see a pattern emmerging !!!

Its a load of bull...

nucking futs

Grumpypants wrote: »

Ah never seen this on a ps3 game before but ill take it that your right.

I am, you probably had internet access for your PS3 since day one so it never became an issue for you, but I had mine for a year before being able to get it connected, so up until that point I was updating the firmware whenever a newer version was included with the various games I'd be playing

eddhorse

Grumpypants wrote: »

Like it has wrecked the Wii, and the xbox 360 ???
Like it has wrecked the music industry and the film industry and the clothing industry...... hold on a second i see a pattern emmerging !!!

Its a load of bull...

Do you have a Wii or XBOX?

Piracy will lead to Sony not getting as much Revenue and leading to us the consumers from getting as much in return !

projectmayhem

Grumpypants wrote: »

While also pointing out that cfw prob saved it as a platform.

As a platform CFW has been directly responsible for its downfall. People don't buy the games because they don't need to, thus the economy falls apart. I don't know how you could possibly think CFW is a good thing for a platform...

Grumpypants wrote: »

1. Cost : it is far too expensive. PSP go came out at 250euro 50 euro cheaper than a ps3 !!!
2. Cost of games : When the psp was first launched games where 30,40 or 50 euro's and they where for the most part poor ps2 ports.
3. Lack of software support : Games is what its about the machine just didnt get decent software support long beofer CFW became an option.

1. Because they have to recoup costs of it through hardware sales. PS3 recoups cost through software sales. You know, because it manages to sell software rather then have it downloaded.

2. Same argument. The price has to stay inflated because the cost of development is higher, because the sales figures are kept artificially lower due to rampant piracy.

3. Same argument again. CFW also became an option months after release. Initial software was awful on the PS3, but that didn't stop them, did it? Sales on awful software is still money in the bank.

Grumpypants wrote: »

4. Only 1 stick : meaning all those PS2 ports didnt quite work the same FPS are out anything really in a 3d world didnt work too well.
5. Screen : PSP cant be played during day light hours as you cant see a flipping thing.

You're arguing the PSP's physical deformaties in an argument about piracy? Do you really relate the PSP's single stick and screen to piracy and Sony needing to clamp down on it before it kills off the PS3?

Grumpypants wrote: »

6. UMD awfull noisy and impossible to carry around a few with you.

Again, you're arguing ludicrous things, but I'll address this one seperately because the reason UMD didn't develop further is because the hackers never needed the UMD's to play games - they just ran them as ISO's. You'll notice the games required to hack (i.e. the ones with loopholes that allowed hacks to be performed) often had much higher sales then other games.

Grumpypants wrote: »

7. Utterly useless wifi/internet option.

Again, a redundant argument - but the wifi was good enough to get the PSP online to download CFW's directly on the device over and over again

Grumpypants wrote: »

CFW opened it up to homebrews, let you carry your games on a memory stick to name a few things that make me go back to the PSP. Now Sony have added these to the service (adding a service not taking away one) i have my PSP updated with official FW because it can do what i want it to do now.

If you legitimately bought games to keep them on the memory stick then fair play - but dear god are you in the minority. The platform is plagued with piracy, to near-death. In fact the only reason Sony keep it alive is to save face, hence the PSP Go - an attempt to get around piracy by going all digital.

Grumpypants wrote: »

Surley applying your arguement, that a hacked machine looses developers the same must be true for other machines hacked. The 360 or Wii for example surley no one develops for those machines either ??

Wii has suffered to piracy but it's in a different class to the 360 and PS3. The fanbase is mainly kids, who do not know about piracy - and most parents don't know either, nor do they want to show their kids how to pirate games.

The 360 is suffering big time. Reports suggest the reason we all still have to pay for XBL and absurd amounts for peripherals is because Microsoft are being screwed by software sales. They were doing fine beforehand because the PS3 was weak, but now the PS3 is as strong worldwide as the 360 sales-wise so that money being diluted is hurting MS and the publishers. It still sells millions of software titles, but when MW2 loses 1 million units (individual sales) on the 360 because of pirates, then that's simply not good. That's a massive amount of money to lose because people decided not to support the developer/publisher.

This is why on the PS2 and Xbox small publishers released games on disk and this time they use XBLA and PSN. Do you really think Rare/MS wanted to re-release Perfect Dark on XBLA? Of course not - but there's no point if people will pirate a game to such an extent that it would lose money.

Grumpypants wrote: »

Valve do release games on disk orange box and left for dead on 360 for example (a 360 being a machine that has been hacked). And PS3 users do need to be online to update this new frimware. What happens next month when someone buys a game that has no internet access and cant play it because they havent the latest update ?? He does talk some rubbish but his point on Russia does stand up.

Read what I said again. When you buy a retail disk from Valve all it does is load your game into Steam - an online checkpoint to ensure the purchase is valid. Do you want every publisher to have online checks? Of course not.

Also, Microsoft in-part paid for L4D exclusivity, so for Valve that means nothing - you can see that in the after-sale support of their titles on consoles.

Firmware comes on disks - just like the PSP. Users won't suffer if they've no internet access.

As for Gabes Russian argument, it only stands up because he wants it to. Notice he didn't bother talking about China, where Counter-Strike is a hugely popular game that Valve have actually made zero dollars on - because every single copy is hacked.

eddhorse

Updated my 60GB with no issues.

If people dont see the petty argument FOR piracy then they are a lost cause.
If you were the owner of SONY what would you do?

Ed

Leiva

eddhorse wrote: »

If you were the owner of SONY what would you do?

Ed

a) Identify the threat

b) Identify a Solution

c) Identify how many users I need to fix.

d)If my fix involved removing a feature ( regardless of feature use or importance), from 1 user out of the millions of devices I have sold then I have no right to manipulate this SOLD unit remotly and remove the feature , regardless of the other 50million users it won't affect.

e)Go back to the drawing board and identify a proper solution.


It's no big issue cause people say " never used other OS in anyway" but if GeoHots hack used a different feature for his exploit (eg blueray)what would SONY do then ?... I bet a proper fix not an amputation .
Why does everyone think that SONY removing a feature from a SOLD unit is alright ?


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