TIME TO SACK THE POPE

Gigiwagga

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Joey the lips wrote: »

I agree. But it is totally unreasonable for athiest and tbh those who dont give a dam about the church on this thread to spead all there time condeming the church without condeming the state.

This is my problem.

For example it was the develara years that mainly saw the abuse in many of these institutions... Has fianna fail ever been critical of this...no.. Why not...

Is your contention that only practising RC's have a right to an opinion regarding the popes position. Well sorry to disappoint you but that is not how things work. Your opinion is to suggest that only repressed sexual predators have the right to criticise themselves. I was raised a catholic, I was an alter boy for five years. I have been as close to the church as most unordained in this country.
No longer. I have followed the perv swill ooze from under it's great doors over the years, I have heard the earnest apologies and the exposed lies, the constant lies, the total lack of responsibility.
Dev was under the cosh of McQuade etc.
The fact is that Benedict knew of and concealed child rapists. Therefore he aided and abetted their actions. Therefore he is as guilty as they are. Get off your high horse mate, take a closer look at it, you're sitting on an ass.

Joey the lips

info@williamrua wrote: »

Is your contention that only practising RC's have a right to an opinion regarding the popes position. Well sorry to disappoint you but that is not how things work. Your opinion is to suggest that only repressed sexual predators have the right to criticise themselves. I was raised a catholic, I was an alter boy for five years. I have been as close to the church as most unordained in this country.
No longer. I have followed the perv swill ooze from under it's great doors over the years, I have heard the earnest apologies and the exposed lies, the constant lies, the total lack of responsibility.
Dev was under the cosh of McQuade etc.
The fact is that Benedict knew of and concealed child rapists. Therefore he aided and abetted their actions. Therefore he is as guilty as they are. Get off your high horse mate, take a closer look at it, you're sitting on an ass.

You have not been following me. It is my contention that no one except a catholic and by catholic I mean someone who cares or generally practises the faith has the right to decide the popes future. No more than i have the right to decide a jew, muslim or hindu's future... Why because really I could not care and my only aim would be to bring down the faith. As for the pope himself. I have said that if convicted he should be jailed. However on this point you must be careful as forgiveness is not a part of law but is a part of the church. So what needs to be decided is did he forgive or did he forgive and recklessly endanger other peoples childhoold.

As for your knowledge of dev... Its poor to say the least. The govts solution to the state orphons was to put them in the homes where suspected trouble had already began.

As for a high horse. Your clearly not following my posts and have decided that reading one post you know my mind. Thats fine by me. I am a catholic and will forgive you for that. But there is no where I have not said that if found guilty these people should face the law.

I am firmly of this belief

Dave!

Let the Catholics worry about who their leader is, the civil authorities should be looking into Ratzinger's role in all of this though

Joey the lips

Dave! wrote: »

Let the Catholics worry about who their leader is, the civil authorities should be looking into Ratzinger's role in all of this though

Exactly..... If there is a case there every catholic should should support it.

alex73

Actually he has done more as Pope to reform the abuses in the Church than any other Pope. Much as the abuse goes back decades. The changes he is making to Child protection polices will make sure the abuse never happens again.

PapaRatzinger

alex73 wrote: »

Actually he has done more as Pope to reform the abuses in the Church than any other Pope. Much as the abuse goes back decades. The changes he is making to Child protection polices will make sure the abuse never happens again.

Yep, and when Ratzinger was in the Curia, he fast-tracked proceedures for defrocking paedophile priests and religious in clear-cut cases. Previously, a full ecclesiastical tribunal was required.

PapaRatzinger

peccavi wrote: »

They said similar things about the Lord. May God forgive you for your venomous hatred.

On this Easter bank holiday Monday, we should rejoice; not appease the haters. They'll always be around.

PapaRatzinger

Stupid thread title. Who's going to "sack the Pope"? The failed Irish State? lol.

TheZohanS

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deisedave wrote: »

A ex nazi- paedophile is the leader for 1 billion people looking for spirtual advice that sounds about right

Just to be clear here:

The Pope is not a Nazi. He is a former member of Hitler Youth who fought for the Nazis towards the end of the war.

He is also not a paedophile, no charges have ever been brought against him, the ex Hitler Youth member.

alex73

TheZohan wrote: »

Just to be clear here:

The Pope is not a Nazi. He is a former member of Hitler Youth who fought for the Nazis towards the end of the war.

He is also not a paedophile, no charges have ever been brought against him, the ex Hitler Youth member.

Finally a moderator steps in!. The thread is awash with unfounded claims.

restaurants

Really-Stressed wrote: »

He has to go.
Surely there is a way to sack the pope?

You can't sack the pope - he is the head honcho.

alex73

deisedave wrote: »

A ex nazi- paedophile is the leader for 1 billion people looking for spirtual advice that sounds about right

Astounding how some people come out with these phrases!!! "ex nazi- paedophile" !!!!!!

The man was a Profesor for much of his life, Also in germany you either were with the nazi's or faced being investigated / Imprisoned, as a german you have little choice if you wanted to survive.

Some posters know nothing about the Church and its current Pope. The posts are like media regurgitation.

The Popes own family had a boy killed by the Nazi's because he had downs syndrome. Seeing this the Popes father knew they needed to fake their alligence to Nazi party otherwise he would put his family at risk. The decision to Join Hitler youth was not Josef's it was his fathers to protect him.

Galvasean

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Sacking the Pope is nothing more than fantasy. Perhaps we could reach a compromise with a good kick up the arse?

*apologies if someone posted it already. Tis a LOOOONG thread.

alex73

Galvasean wrote: »

Sacking the Pope is nothing more than fantasy. Perhaps we could reach a compromise with a good kick up the arse?

*apologies if someone posted it already. Tis a LOOOONG thread.

Or maybe Join this group.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=107874735900906&ref=ts#!/pages/His-Holiness-Pope-Benedict-XVI/19080535950?ref=ts

Galvasean

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alex73 wrote: »

Or maybe Join this group.

http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=107874735900906&ref=ts#!/pages/His-Holiness-Pope-Benedict-XVI/19080535950?ref=ts

Nah, I generally don't join groups that praise criminals.

Biggins

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The Catholic Church's pedophilia scandal is edging closer to Pope Benedict. But it's not the first time he's been caught flat-footed in a mess at least partly of his own making. Here's our guide to the Pope's blunders.

The Associated Press theorize that Benedict's isolation, and refusal to work closely with his advisors, is to blame for his difficulties in staying out of trouble. To underline their point, the AP also report a condemnation by the head of the Church of England and fresh allegations of wrongdoing in dealing with pedophile clergy.

* As a young man in Germany, Joseph Ratzinger was drafted into the Hitler Youth. The Church admitted, then denied this and now admits it again.
* During his rise through the Catholic Church in the 80s and 90s, as Archbishop of Munich and Cardinal Ratzinger, reports claim he failed to do all he could to stop pedophile clergy preying on children.
* In 2006 he linked the prophet Muhammad to violence in a speech that would probably have made waves even if it wasn't delivered into a time of intense sensitivity regarding Islam. He later walked his comments back.
* Last year he lifted the excommunication of Bishop Richard Williamson, a British Holocaust denier. He later said the affair was 'mishandled' and that the Vatican needed to use the internet, as he had no idea of Williamson's views.
* On Friday his personal preacher, Rev. Raniero Cantalamessa, compared the Catholic Church's current pedophilia scandal woes to the persecution of Jews. The Pope reportedly did not know of the sermon's contents, and the Vatican said the whole thing was a misunderstanding.

http://gawker.com/5508905/the-popes-blunders-a-round-up

orourkeda

Sacking the pope is not the solution.

Talk about fixing a broken leg with a sticky plaster

Biggins

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orourkeda wrote: »

...Talk about fixing a broken leg with a sticky plaster

That about sums up what Rome is doing at present.
Its an insult to people's intelligence.
...And still the old fart Brady hangs on!

eddie the eagle

Hang the Pope hang the Pope
Hang him with a fcuking rope

Noreen1

Joey the lips wrote: »

I take it that god wrote it..? Why dont you just explain why god and my views of a book written by a person intertwine. Thanks

Possibly because Saint Thomas Acquinas agreed with your views in this case?

Noreen

Min

eddie the eagle wrote: »

Hang the Pope hang the Pope
Hang him with a fcuking rope

St Malachy's prophecy about the Popes looks more and more correct, suppose to be only one more Pope, the amount of hate towards Catholicism makes it look more and more a possibility.
Hate leads to bad things and its heading towards where Catholics will be persecuted.
Didn't play the video but what was written said enough.

Run_to_da_hills

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TheZohan wrote: »

Just to be clear here:

The Pope is not a Nazi. He is a former member of Hitler Youth who fought for the Nazis towards the end of the war.

He is also not a paedophile, no charges have ever been brought against him, the ex Hitler Youth member.

Edited: He is also not a paedophile, no charges have can ever been brought against him, the ex Hitler Youth member

Gigiwagga

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alex73 wrote: »

Actually he has done more as Pope to reform the abuses in the Church than any other Pope. Much as the abuse goes back decades. The changes he is making to Child protection polices will make sure the abuse never happens again.

Not true he has spent the last 25 years protecting perverts with arcane secrecy laws. The buck has stopped with him for over 25 years.

Min

info@williamrua wrote: »

Not true he has spent the last 25 years protecting perverts with arcane secrecy laws. The buck has stopped with him for over 25 years.

Not true, it is only from 2001 that cases went to his section of the Vatican.

StudentDad

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Sack the Pope?! That won't change a damned thing. The Pope is just a puppet, so long as he does what he's told, the cardinals are happy. So long as the Vatican State rakes in the cash and the 'faithful' do what they're told to do the Church is happy.

With the advent of education in Europe and North America and other countries the Church has to convince an educated populace that what they're saying is correct. Good luck with that one!

The only way the RC Church can survive is by fundamentally changing what it is. As it stands it is little more than a State trying to impose it's will on it's congregations. It's been doing this for centuries, only this time the Pope doesn't have armies at his disposal.

SD

peccavi

StudentDad wrote: »

The only way the RC Church can survive is by fundamentally changing what it is. As it stands it is little more than a State trying to impose it's will on it's congregations. It's been doing this for centuries, only this time the Pope doesn't have armies at his disposal.

SD

The Church has survived worse scandals than this. The Arian crisis was a lot worse I can tell you. The Church can no more change its fundamental being than you can change from being a person into a chocolate egg. :pac:

Ann22

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There should be a mass investigation of all the clergy from parish priests to bishops to cardinals and the pope. Anyone who knew about the abuse and helped to cover it up should be prosecuted as having aided and abetted or whatever the legal term is and obviously fcuked out of the church. It doesn't matter how high up they are, they're all human not superior beings.
My auntie knows a nice old priest who's in a little rural parish this years. Seemingly he reported something to do with child molestation years ago, I don't know if anything was done about it. He was stuck in the ar*ehole of nowhere all of his life with a tiny parish and was never moved on. She maintains he's a really good and holy man.

Oh and priests from now on should be allowed to marry, this 'don't shag anyone or touch yourself' mentality doesn't help matters. When you think of it, the older priests that are about were sent off to sememaries at 12 or 13 for this mentality to be drummed into them and half of them being molested by their teachers at the same time, is it any wonder they grew up perverted?

Slightly off topic here...My hubbie went to confession before we married because he didn't want to go up for Communion as it was years since he'd been at it. He told the priest he wasn't really sure of what to say 'cos it had been so long. The priest who was young and quite good looking said 'ok, I'll just ask you questions so'. Would you believe he asked him if he was in a sexual relationship? He then asked if he masturbated. Imagine that? The embarrassment! When we go to confession we're supposed to tell the priest if we've had 'bad' thoughts, now that is pure ridiculous. I think once you treat others as you'd like to be treated that's a good enough commandment to follow.

tipperaryboy

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The pope should start immediately reinvent and refresh the church from the ground up.instead of holding talking shops about the scandal.

Elenxor

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I suppose he (the Pope) would be entitled to job seekers allowance, or would they means test him?:D

Lone Stone

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Wouldnt change a thing if he was sacked. The church would need to be rebuilt from the ground up for any type of change but that wont happen. So its either going to implode or just shrink dramaticly over a generation or two hopefully.

Altho people should be banging down the vaticans doors with pitchforks and semi automatic riffle's.

Anyone remember that women who attacked the pope ? the german women and they tried to blow her off as a crazy on the news ? wonder why she was really attacking him now huh