TIME TO SACK THE POPE

MrMatisse

He has to go.

If the top of an organisations is rotten then how can it ever be fixed. He has lost all authority.

Surely there is a way to sack the pope?

deisedave

A ex nazi- paedophile is the leader for 1 billion people looking for spirtual advice that sounds about right

Tomebagel

you must really be stressed.

Iwasfrozen

Really-Stressed wrote: »

He has to go.

If the top of an organisations is rotten then how can it ever be fixed. He has lost all authority.

Surely there is a way to sack the pope?

hahahaha

Good luck with that one.

Hank_Jones

I say we take up arms and go overthrow Vatican City, taking the country hostage.

I call president.

Bubs101

I love the way people don't realise that he inherited this ****storm from the beloved John Paul

mikom

Really-Stressed wrote: »

TIME TO SACK THE POPE

♫ But there's Panic on the streets of Carlisle
Dublin, Dundee, Humberside
I wonder to myself

Burn down the vatican
Sack the blessed Pope
Because the prayers that they constantly pray
IT SAYS NOTHING TO ME ABOUT MY LIFE ♫

Fago!

This will go well

The_Minister

A Pope cannot be fired, but he can resign his office, so long as it is not done under duress.

mikom

Under Durex?

Carry

Don't sack him

Historically a pope was sacked by murder and replaced by usually an even worse figure. But we don't want to go that far, won't we?

But he could step down:

Canon 332, Paragraph Two, provides for a papal resignation, allowing the pope to step down whenever he wishes and without asking anyone for permission. But in the long history of the Catholic Church, it is extremely uncommon. Pope Celestine V was the most recent church leader to resign -- 700 years ago.

http://www.spiegel.de/international/world/0,1518,685712,00.html

He won't, though. He believes in his (self)-rightiousness and thinks all critique is just idle chitchat, which won't touch him a bit, as he pointed out in his sermon today.

Kasabian

deisedave wrote: »

A ex nazi- paedophile is the leader for 1 billion people looking for spirtual advice that sounds about right

Interesting post there.:o

Erren Music

He cannot be sacked.

He has absolute power in the vatican

Fear Uladh

Don't sack him

Bubs101 wrote: »

I love the way people don't realise that he inherited this ****storm from the beloved John Paul

Yep, John Paul is held in such high regard no one will come out and say what most people with an ounce of common sense already know. John Paul was responsible for covering up a litany of abuse and this guy has to deal with the consequences. Brothers indeed.

Smcgie

Really-Stressed wrote: »

He has to go.

If the top of an organisations is rotten then how can it ever be fixed. He has lost all authority.

Surely there is a way to sack the pope?

The usual Crap thread of the day has arrived :rolleyes:

The_Minister

deisedave wrote: »

A ex nazi- paedophile is the leader for 1 billion people looking for spirtual advice that sounds about right

Cite that he is a paedophile?

greendom

He'd only resign if the Holy Trinity came down from heaven and told him to his face that he has to go. So... not going to happen

Iwasfrozen

Smcgie wrote: »

The usual Crap thread of the day has arrived :rolleyes:

The same thread that you have replied to. What does that make you ?

Biggins

Don't sack him

Bubs101 wrote: »

I love the way people don't realise that he inherited this ****storm from the beloved John Paul

Partly right, the present pope actually worked for the previous one and "Ratzinger" also actually as head on an internal organisation (Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith*), drew up the rules for the rest of the world to follow.
That included the rules issued to the priests that abuses were to be kept still within the church and not to be reported outside it.

* On 25 November 1981, Pope John Paul II named Ratzinger Prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, formerly known as the Holy Office, the historical Inquisition. Consequently, he resigned his post at Munich in early 1982. He was promoted within the College of Cardinals to become Cardinal Bishop of Velletri-Segni in 1993, was made the College's vice-dean in 1998 and dean in 2002.

In office, Ratzinger fulfilled his institutional role, defending and reaffirming Catholic doctrine, including teaching on topics such as birth control, homosexuality, and inter-religious dialogue. Leonardo Boff, for example, was suspended, while others were censured. Other issues also prompted condemnations or revocations of rights to teach: for instance, some posthumous writings of Jesuit priest Anthony de Mello were the subject of a notification. Ratzinger and the Congregation viewed many of them, particularly the later works, as having an element of religious indifferentism (i.e., Christ was "one master alongside others").

The Congregation is best known for its authority over the teaching of Church doctrine, but it also has jurisdiction over other matters, including cases involving the seal of the confessional, clerical sexual misconduct and other matters, in its function as what amounts to a court. In his capacity as Prefect, Ratzinger's 2001 letter “Crimen Sollicitationis” which clarified the confidentiality of internal Church investigations into accusations made against priests of certain crimes, including sexual abuse, became a target of controversy during the sex abuse scandal. While bishops hold the secrecy pertained only internally, and did not preclude investigation by civil law enforcement, the letter was often seen as promoting a coverup. The Pope was accused in a lawsuit of conspiring to cover up the molestation of three boys in Texas, but sought and obtained diplomatic immunity from prosecution.

Bonito

Iwasfrozen wrote: »

The same thread that you have replied to. What does that make you ?

Toilet roll?

MrMatisse

Pete M.

Ara shur if he was to go, he'd probably be entitled to a big golden handshake which could ruin the........

Oh yeah, sorry, this is the Catholic church we're on about, they're loaded so it'll be fine. Give him a few million and send him off to Thailand for his retirement.

Bring in Obama then, he'd sort it out for sure.

I mean I've heard plenty of people ask is the pope catholic before, or does he wear a funny hat, so that must mean he doesn't have to be.
Shur yer woman mother theresa was an atheist one of the lads was telling me last night;)

AckwelFoley

The_Minister wrote: »

Cite that he is a paedophile?

He was a priest at one point... like eh doooh.

Winty

snyper wrote: »

He was a priest at one point... like eh doooh.

Really is that the best answer you have, he my be a lot of things but nobody has said he was a pedo.

Lets be fair. I dont like him but you cant call him a pedo, I would not wish that on anyone

Spore

deisedave wrote: »

A ex nazi- paedophile is the leader for 1 billion people looking for spirtual advice that sounds about right

Agenda much? While he was in the Hitler Youth - so was every other youth in Germany at the time, it was national policy so he had no choice. As for paedophile, where the hell are you getting that from? Link to sources to back up you libellous claims or GTFO.

BTW I'm not defending the church, more attacking rubbish disinformation. The truth will out, as they say.

El Weirdo

mikom wrote: »

♫ But there's Panic on the streets of Carlisle
Dublin, Dundee, Humberside
I wonder to myself

Burn down the vatican
Sack the blessed Pope
Because the prayers that they constantly pray
IT SAYS NOTHING TO ME ABOUT MY LIFE ♫

Please don't mess around with my lyrics.:pac:

ejmaztec

Spore wrote: »

Agenda much? While he was in the Hitler Youth - so was every other youth in Germany at the time, it was national policy so he had no choice. As for paedophile, where the hell are you getting that from? Link to sources to back up you libellous claims or GTFO.

BTW I'm not defending the church, more attacking rubbish disinformation. The truth will out, as they say.

His post proves that some people shouldn't have access to the internet.

latenia

Did they ever get around to making an update of the classic tee-shirt?

http://cdn.springboard.gorillanation.com/storage/craveonline.com/upl_images/tshirt3(1).jpg

dr.bollocko

Don't sack him

Doesn't matter. The abuses of the church will continue until people cop on and start to realise that their fairy tales aren't true. Surely. For the sake of science and progress. Just stop pretending. Please.

moonboy52

Don't sack him

Just stop practising the Roman Catholic's archaic, backward practices and then the pope and all his cronies are fired from our minds

Magenta

dr.bollocko wrote: »

Doesn't matter. The abuses of the church will continue until people cop on and start to realise that their fairy tales aren't true. Surely. For the sake of science and progress. Just stop pretending. Please.

Sure everyone knows that virgins get preggers :rolleyes:

Richard Noggin

Really-Stressed wrote: »

He has to go.

If the top of an organisations is rotten then how can it ever be fixed. He has lost all authority.

Surely there is a way to sack the pope?

Does it really matter? Personally, him being in power in the Vatican has no effect on me or my life whatsoever.

WIZE

Wow

I didn't know there was so many Practicing Catholic in AH . Hope you were all in Mass today;)

Bonito

Most Haunted wrote: »

Wow

I didn't know there was so many Practicing Catholic in AH . Hope you were all in Mass today;)

Eh. I missed it with that whole time change fiasco.

Pittens

Yes, the posters on AH are overwhelmed with the power of the Catholic Church in every day, every facet of their life.

Meanwhile the database State continues to grow unabated, and freedom of speach, and of the internet, and data privacy are under threat from myriad sources - from corporations to the State.

The muppets will attack the Catholic Church while real freedoms are taken away from them. Elsewhere.

dr.bollocko

Don't sack him

Pittens wrote: »

Yes, the posters on AH are overwhelmed with the power of the Catholic Church in every day, every facet of their life.

Meanwhile the database State continues to grow unabated, and freedom of speach, and of the internet, and data privacy are under threat from myriad sources - from corporations to the State.

The muppets will attack the Catholic Church while real freedoms are taken away from them. Elsewhere.

They love paranoid crap like that in here:
http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/forumdisplay.php?f=576

Pittens

They love paranoid crap like that in here:

It is hardly a conspiracy. In the UK, Labour government has introduced 4,200 new laws, most of them criminal offences, many of them relating to speech. The last one was a law allowing post to be opened without a warrant on suspicion of tax evasion. Those laws will expand. Welcome the British Stasi.

Canada has threatened US right wingers with jail, based on reporting of their statements in Canada. Ireland is influenced by these kind of currents.

By corporations I mean the misuse of Libel Laws to silence scientific opinion.

The Catholic church is in decline. The Pope resigning or not - which he should - is neither here nor there for my life. Fight the actual power.

dr.bollocko

Don't sack him

You could start a thread on that maybe? Strikes me as an odd place to use as a sounding board for your stance that the pope doesn't matter. This thread, after all, is called "Time to sack the pope."

I.Am.A.Panda

Oh civil rights suppression laws, you mean ones such as the Blasphemy law supported by the Catholic Church?

mikom

Pittens wrote: »

Fight the actual power.

http://farm1.static.flickr.com/31/41483882_da8c15c179_o.jpg

Pittens

Admittedly, I have dragged this thread off topic to attack the sheer number of pope bashing threads, every hour, every day when there are more important things going on.

I will post on the other stuff a bit later.

/ end off-topicness

bigeasyeah

Right.Who is going to sack him? He is the one in charge.
File this one under 'raging idiocy'

Pittens

Oh civil rights suppression laws, you mean ones such as the Blasphemy law supported by the Catholic Church?

Or similar laws proposed in Britain ( and based on Laws in Canada, and Australia) to give religion the same protection as race as regards hate speach. The difference is

1) The second law is supported by the Left.
2) The first law is rarely invoked ( not ever in Ireland as far as I know). The Australian and Canadian laws are invoked all the time.
3) The kind of people opposed to the first are often silent about the latter ( not always - there are libertarians on the left ,too).

I.Am.A.Panda

Pittens wrote: »

Or similar laws proposed in Britain ( and based on Laws in Canada, and Australia) to give religion the same protection as race as regards hate speach. The difference is

1) The second law is supported by the Left.
2) The first law is rarely invoked ( not ever in Ireland as far as I know). The Australian and Canadian laws are invoked all the time.
3) The kind of people opposed to the first are often silent about the latter ( not always - there are libertarians on the left ,too).

I suppose I would be one of the Libertarians mentioned in #3

stovelid

Removing a shepherd doesn't kill a flock. The flock only has to disperse.

dsmythy

Don't sack him

deisedave wrote: »

A ex nazi- paedophile is the leader for 1 billion people looking for spirtual advice that sounds about right

Hmm you and the OP....

I.Am.A.Panda wrote: »

Oh civil rights suppression laws, you mean ones such as the Blasphemy law supported by the Catholic Church?

....I think you both need to pay the money for your blasphemy or you will end up in hell. Just like the old days

I.Am.A.Panda

stovelid wrote: »

Removing a shepherd doesn't kill a flock. The flock only has to disperse.

Problem is the flock isn't all that smart, and is quickly rounded up again by the shepherd.

stovelid

I.Am.A.Panda wrote: »

Problem is the flock isn't all that smart, and is quickly rounded up again by the shepherd.

I mutton have thought of that, you're right.

I.Am.A.Panda

dsmythy wrote: »

....I think you both need to pay the money for your blasphemy or you will end up in hell. Just like the old days

Lol If a God makes me suffer in some eternal hellfire simply because I didn't adhere to his whims in spite of no evidence palced before to in fact follow him, then I think God is one pretty messed up guy.

Min

stovelid wrote: »

Removing a shepherd doesn't kill a flock. The flock only has to disperse.

I.Am.A.Panda wrote: »

Problem is the flock isn't all that smart, and is quickly rounded up again by the shepherd.

That is not smart, who says sheep disperse without a shepherd?

I.Am.A.Panda

Min wrote: »

That is not smart, who says sheep disperse without a shepherd?

Of course, sheep still stay together, and never become something more than sheep (Until maybe a couple million years of evolution).