Dirrell vs Abraham

shaydy

This should be a goodun, finding it hard to call myself

I take it espn are showing this?

mr.mayo

Very interesting bout, could go either way, Abraham is the bookie's favourite but I just have a feeling about Dirrell. He was absolutely robbed in Nottingham against Froch and he'll be looking to get back on track. He knows that another defeat would basically destroy any chance he had of making it in the big time so it is definitely a must win and I believe he can. He is a very talented fighter, has good speed/agility and if he can stay out of a fight, pick his spots and fight a smart fight then I think he'll win by decision. Abraham is obviously very dangerous but he is a notoriously slow starter and Dirrell can capitalise on that, rack up some points early on and put the pressure on Abraham. As AA becomes more aggressive, he'll start leaving himself open and Dirrell can exploit that.
Maybe I'm wrong but I just have a gut feeling about Dirrell

magma69

I just can't bet against Abraham. He is too rounded a fighter. I'm sure Dirrell will manage to win a few rounds but when the chips are down AA brings out the big guns. I expect him to slowly begin to dominate as the fight progresses leading to a KO in the latter rounds of the fight. AA is pissed at the fact all three judges and the ref is from Michegan so I don't think he will want it to go to a points decision.

keane=cock

is this on tele?

what time should it start its in the u.s. isnt it? so usually means the early hours

TechnoPool

ANYone know of any streams for this??

D2D

It's on "PrimeTime PPV" (Sky 480) afaik. Starts around 3/4ish (clocks going forward so I'm not entirely sure).

Wild_Dogger

lets keep each other informed where to watch it ......

meanwhile Gamboa card in germany :
http://nadnerbsregdor.ucoz.ru/

nacho libre

http://atdhe.net/5282/watch-arthur-abraham-vs-andre-dirrell

magma69

There's an arse load if links on this page.

http://www.myp2pforum.eu/threads/35451-Boxing-and-Fighting-Weekly-Schedule-23rd-March-28th-March

Are they showing undercard fights or what? Anyone have any idea what time it starts?

nacho libre

it should be on in the next 10 minutes

docmartin

has any one else lost this stream

nacho libre

Dirrell has a good chin.

Bodhisopha

docmartin wrote: »

has any one else lost this stream

The one i thanked is still working for me.

digme

nice shot from dirrell

nacho libre

I see Dirrell possibly ending this late on as Abraham becomes more desperate to get the ko. Those body punches are bound to have an effect late on.

magma69

These last few rounds are gonna be exciting. AA will give it hell for leather.

nacho libre

i expected Dirrell to be faster but thought Abraham's power would be the decisive factor, but his big punches had no effect on Dirrell.

digme

come on king arthur you ****er

nacho libre

disqualification.

digme

holly ****

magma69

That was scummy.

Joe Musashi

Dirrell bitched out.

Arthur was bringing the pressure and he couldn't handle it so he wanted a breather and his buddy called it a DQ win for him. The referee also didn't call the knockdown that Arthur clearly scored.

Dirrell blubbering and thinking he got ko'd now. I reckon it's all an act. Dirrell could win an oscar for that performace. He made the most of it.

Arthur was getting closer in those last couple of rounds. He was way behind but he may have had a decent chance at the KO in those last couple of rounds.

nacho libre

what a douchebag to do that just because he was bested tonight. very cowardly.

digme

lol this is nuts

Raekwon

Joe Musashi wrote: »

Dirrell bitched out.

Arthur was bringing the pressure and he couldn't handle it so he wanted a breather and his buddy called it a DQ win for him. The referee also didn't call the knockdown that Arthur clearly scored.

Dirrell blubbering and thinking he got ko'd now. I reckon it's all an act. Dirrell could win an oscar for that performace. He made the most of it.

Arthur was getting closer in those last couple of rounds. He was way behind but he may have had a decent chance at the KO in those last couple of rounds.

Are you serious?

I was rooting for Abraham but he did hit Dirrell when his left knee and left glove were on the canvas and deserved the DQ.

Calling it all an act is bad form IMO.

Bodhisopha

I don't know what to make of that. I thought he was faking, but if so, all the confusion and crying after wasn't really necessary.

magma69

After looking at many replays I do think Dirrell was putting it on. After he was hit he looked okay and coherent for a second and when he fell he adjusted his arms so he would fall down without injuring his arm. What Arthur Abraham did was awful though. It was blatantly obvious he was down and there was even a pause for a second and he still decided to lash him one.

Bizarre ending.

Joe Musashi

Raekwon wrote: »

Are you serious?

I was rooting for Abraham but he did hit Dirrell when his left knee and left glove were on the canvas and deserved the DQ.

Calling it all an act is bad form IMO.

Yes, I'm serious.

I really don't think he was hurt that bad. He made the most of an opportunity that was presented to him. Abraham was coming on and was going to have to go all out for the KO. I think Dirrell knew he was way ahead and could win the fight right there if he stayed down.

I may be completely wrong but that's what I felt when I saw it. It didn't look genuine and there seemed to be a delayed reaction from Dirrell.

mr.mayo

Thank you Andre, I have 50 Quid in my back pocket because of you!!
Dirrell deserved the win, it was a definite DQ and Andre was well ahead on points anyway, I just knew he was going to pull out a big performance, his career basically depended on it and he didn't disappoint

bamboozler

yeah def a DQ, not sure if he was fakin been hurt straight away anyway cos he was twitchin on the ground. dont know why hed bother either wen abraham was d'qed and he was winning on rounds anyway

nacho libre

Even if Dirrell was acting - which i really doubt he was, as he was winning comfortably and he had already taken some big shots from Abraham - there is no excuse for Abraham punching him several seconds after his knee and hand touched the canvas.

Raekwon

Joe Musashi wrote: »

Yes, I'm serious.

I really don't think he was hurt that bad. He made the most of an opportunity that was presented to him. Abraham was coming on and was going to have to go all out for the KO. I think Dirrell knew he was way ahead and could win the fight right there if he stayed down.

I may be completely wrong but that's what I felt when I saw it. It didn't look genuine and there seemed to be a delayed reaction from Dirrell.

Dirrell was way ahead on the score cards (Guido Cavalleri scored it 97-92, Frank Garza 98-91 and Hanek Hongtonhkam had it 97-92), he had knocked Abraham down for the first time in his career, he had also opened up a nasty cut on Abraham's left eyelid..........he only had one round left and he seemed too mobile and elusive to be caught so he probably would have just ran for the final round so he had no need to 'fake' being knocked out after he had been punched across the chin while he was on his knees by an absolute banger of a puncher.

Boooourns

No way was Dirrell acting there, he was wide open on the canvas not expecting to be punched and Abraham caught him with a very nasty one. I hope when Abraham looks back at the replay he admits he was in the wrong. Personally i think Abraham should recieve a ban for that, so dangerous that.

Joe Musashi

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uF6pH7GS2g

Here's a video of the last 2 rounds. I thought the referee's performance was very poor. He didn't count 2 knockdowns, he was miles away when the incident at the end happened. He should be right in there to prevent that kind of thing from happening. In the Froch fight, the referee was close by when Dirrell would go down in the corners.

It was poor form from Abraham but in the heat of moment it's hard to contain yourself I guess. Similarly, when Dirrell hit Abraham low and as Abraham was turning away in pain, Dirrell didn't hold back.

It would have been extremely interesting to see how the end would have played out though. Dirrell was tired and was getting hit more. He was way ahead but Abraham was really pressing and letting his hands go, looking for the knockout.

Just to go into the actual incident a bit more. Dirrell seemed to pause for a second, realise what he could get out of it and decided to plonk himself down for the count. He seemed to grab his nose at first and suddenly reach for the top of his head. Also, it would probably have been best for the people in Dirrell's corner not to start grabbing him and pulling him around by the head. incase he was seriously hurt. :eek:

In conclusion, I think Abraham was not dealt with fairly but he also didn't do himself any favours. He should never have given Dirrell an out. He shot himself in the foot really . He had a great chance of getting the KO in that last round and a half. They might well meet again in the tournament and I hope they do, in Germany, with an honest and competent referee.

keane=cock

thanks for link

TechnoPool

how the **** is the first one not a knock down,the ref is an absolute clown even listen to him talking to direll when he was supposedly Ko'ed :rolleyes:

watched in real time it happens so fast.


and listen to him at the end :rolleyes:

Daroxtar

Joe Musashi wrote: »

They might well meet again in the tournament and I hope they do, in Germany, with an honest and competent referee.

....and brilliant unbiased judges;)

JacksonHeightsOwn

Joe Musashi wrote: »

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6uF6pH7GS2g

Here's a video of the last 2 rounds. I thought the referee's performance was very poor. He didn't count 2 knockdowns, he was miles away when the incident at the end happened. He should be right in there to prevent that kind of thing from happening. In the Froch fight, the referee was close by when Dirrell would go down in the corners.

It was poor form from Abraham but in the heat of moment it's hard to contain yourself I guess. Similarly, when Dirrell hit Abraham low and as Abraham was turning away in pain, Dirrell didn't hold back.

It would have been extremely interesting to see how the end would have played out though. Dirrell was tired and was getting hit more. He was way ahead but Abraham was really pressing and letting his hands go, looking for the knockout.

Just to go into the actual incident a bit more. Dirrell seemed to pause for a second, realise what he could get out of it and decided to plonk himself down for the count. He seemed to grab his nose at first and suddenly reach for the top of his head. Also, it would probably have been best for the people in Dirrell's corner not to start grabbing him and pulling him around by the head. incase he was seriously hurt. :eek:

In conclusion, I think Abraham was not dealt with fairly but he also didn't do himself any favours. He should never have given Dirrell an out. He shot himself in the foot really . He had a great chance of getting the KO in that last round and a half. They might well meet again in the tournament and I hope they do, in Germany, with an honest and competent referee.

you're bang on the money there my friend

you know the yanks though, this tournament was their idea, they already fixed the Kessler/Ward fight, they couldnt have a german beating an american, in america, sure it would ruin the tv rights for them,

i wont lie, i didnt see the fight, but dirrell looked the beaten man in that youtube clip, not AA

i hope they get another go at each other, but this time in a neutral country

nacho libre

if you had seen the whole fight you could not possibly say dirrell looked the beaten man. as for Kessler, while it could be argued the ref didn't always help his case, he was simply outclassed by a better boxer.

Raekwon

chrisbonnie wrote: »

i wont lie, i didnt see the fight, but dirrell looked the beaten man in that youtube clip, not AA

That YouTube clip only showed around 4 minutes of over half an hour of boxing yet you are basing your opinion entirely on that? :rolleyes:

Do yourself a favor and watch this: http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xcra4a_direll_sport

For anyone who has seen the fight then here is a quick recap (in 720p HD )

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6o9Up1anffo

megadodge

I've watched it now and I'm convinced of two things.

1. By the strict interpretation of the rules Abraham deserved to be disqualified.

2. Dirrell wasn't anyways as badly hurt as he pretended to be.

I've seen much worse get away scott free and I don't agree with it, it's about time it was stamped out, but you can be sure if it was the other way around Dirrell almost certainly would NOT have been disqualified. USA, USA, USA !!!

I'm tired listening to people on about Germany, etc. when good ol' Uncle Sam is just as biased to it's own - see Hatton/Mayweather if you doubt me. The double standards from Americans is ridiculous (note how US 'fans' complain about non-US fighters having all their fights in their home country, meanwhile virtually no top US boxer ever boxes outside the US!!).

If this sounds anti-US, well it is !!

walshb

I personally believe that AA was right to be DQd, but it wasn't as blatant as some other
fights, particularly Benn-Barkley, and Jones-Griffin. It happened very fast, but I think AA was
desperate, knew he was behind and knew he was unlikely to force a stoppage.

walshb

nacho libre wrote: »

Even if Dirrell was acting - which i really doubt he was, as he was winning comfortably and he had already taken some big shots from Abraham - there is no excuse for Abraham punching him several seconds after his knee and hand touched the canvas.

I don't think it was several seconds at all. Watch the clip. To me, it was a second at most, still, that's against the rules, so DQ is the fair result.

Spazdarn

AA deserved his DQ he knew what he was doing. I do believe Dirrell stayed down based on his reaction directly after being hit, people mentioned he'd taken hits all night and not been troubled, well he'd taken much worse than that and didn't end up jerking and twitching on the ground...

I know he was comfortable but he was tiring and in the previous rounds, he did a lot of running but got cornered a couple of times, if AA cornered him properly he could have been knocked out... thus staying on the canvas was probably the wise option...