RAM as a hangover preventer/cure

ShoulderChip

Hi lately I have been drinking some RAM when I come home from a night out if I need to get to work the next day and so far it has been fantastic

I really notice a huge different and have a very feint hangover at best the next day, I take it with lots of water as usual and no food after a night out.

Has anyone else any experience of this?

amazingemmet

Yeah this has been mentioned a few times alright.

AARRRGH

I've found regular binge drinking and bodybuilding/weight lifting don't really mix, so you should consider giving up the booze. I did, and it has made a major positive impact in my life. More motivation, loads of energy, feel great, clear skin, no more excess carbs due to all those pints, etc.

Ciaran500

ShoulderChip wrote: »

Hi lately I have been drinking some RAM when I come home from a night out if I need to get to work the next day and so far it has been fantastic

I really notice a huge different and have a very feint hangover at best the next day, I take it with lots of water as usual and no food after a night out.

Has anyone else any experience of this?

Large amounts of water on its own will have a great effect on preventing a hangover and the electrolytes in RAM will help even more.

ShoulderChip

Cheers thanks guys,

I think it will be brilliant for festivals and that sort of thing so,
Don't worry I don't drink/use it that much but its great to have when needed

jeff lebowski

What's this stuff? Never heard of it. Might have to invest in some.

ShoulderChip

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jeff lebowski

Cheers. How does it compare to Viper....are they similar enough?

ShoulderChip

someone else will have to answer that I don't know the ins and outs and haven't tried viper

corkcomp

+1 to the water, a pint or two of water after a heavy drinking session works wonders for preventing de-hydration next morning.

does anyone have any personal experience of RAM being good for hangovers?

knird evol

In addition to dehydration the vitamin destroying effects of booze gives to the hangover. So take a vitamin supplement with your ram. Go for a five mile jog while your at it.

I used to have a theory that the reason why you felt better the morning after drinking water before sleeping is that if you were capable of coming up with the idea and plan to drink a pint of water before sleep then you really didn't have all that much to drink in the first place. Whereas when you wake up fully dressed curled up underneath someones kitchen table and think "I have a bad hangover because I forgot to hydrate last night"

BobbyOLeary

knird evol wrote: »

In addition to dehydration the vitamin destroying effects of booze gives to the hangover. So take a vitamin supplement with your ram. Go for a five mile jog while your at it.

I used to have a theory that the reason why you felt better the morning after drinking water before sleeping is that if you were capable of coming up with the idea and plan to drink a pint of water before sleep then you really didn't have all that much to drink in the first place. Whereas when you wake up fully dressed curled up underneath someones kitchen table and think "I have a bad hangover because I forgot to hydrate last night"

I think that's it really. If you're of sound mind to mix up some RAM when you get in you should be okay. For me I've yet to find something that works every single time, some days I horse the water into me and wake up worse than mornings that I didn't. Only times I've been hangoverless have been when I'm still drunk.

itsallaboutheL

I found N.O Explode to be fcuking amazing, but it's probably a terrible idea!!

corkcomp

itsallaboutheL wrote: »

I found N.O Explode to be fcuking amazing, but it's probably a terrible idea!!

can you still buy that in Ireland? does it work? actually, discussing hangover cures in a fitness forum looks very bad

Khannie

corkcomp wrote: »

can you still buy that in Ireland? does it work? actually, discussing hangover cures in a fitness forum looks very bad

Not really fitness related, except that it's a fitness related product. No major problems with it myself though (one of the other mods may).

corkcomp

Khannie wrote: »

Not really fitness related, except that it's a fitness related product. No major problems with it myself though (one of the other mods may).

LOL, it was more the alcohol than the supp I was thinking of

brianthebard

knird evol wrote: »

I used to have a theory that the reason why you felt better the morning after drinking water before sleeping is that if you were capable of coming up with the idea and plan to drink a pint of water before sleep then you really didn't have all that much to drink in the first place. Whereas when you wake up fully dressed curled up underneath someones kitchen table and think "I have a bad hangover because I forgot to hydrate last night"

I think this is the case. For my bday I had a number of drinks throughout the afternoon (slowed down in the evening) and despite having 3 pints of water and some 'soakage' over the few hours before bed I still had a hangover the next day. So I'd agree that its the amount you drink not the water you finish with.

corkcomp

the water makes a big difference to me, in terms of whether I can function properly the next morning.

metamorphosis

Water makes sweet **** all of a difference for me. Sometimes i go through 1.5ltr botle or 2ltr bottle at home after a night out and still fecking dying the next day

corkcomp

ULstudent wrote: »

Water makes sweet **** all of a difference for me. Sometimes i go through 1.5ltr botle or 2ltr bottle at home after a night out and still fecking dying the next day

your not drinking enough so:D:pac:

BraziliaNZ

yes the problem with skulling a load of water is that you wake up really early busting for a piss, and personally I can't go back asleep after that as I feel so bad and uncomfortable. Saline drip ftw.

Parsley

Depends on what you drink too! I find rum is very kind when it comes to hangovers, as is stout, but whiskey kills me the next day. Jaeger's grand enough!

mindaugelis

did anybody tried universal nutrition shock therapy?

WalterMitty

Water alone wont work. Add in some orange OR lemon OR lime juice and a pinch of salt to a pint of water or two and drink it. I find waiting till you are relatively sober, rehydrating and then having a small meal is the best course of action to avoid bad hangover.

corkcomp

True, something with salt will help also. I always feel hungry after a few pints but after a major piss up I can't look at food tbh! Like parsley mentioned your choice of poison counts too, and some combinations are not good! Wine and bulmers should never be mixed with anything!

rubadub

Hangovers are mainly down to 2 things, dehydration can cause severe headaches and feeling run down etc, the second is the crap in your alcohol AKA congeners

Congeners are toxic chemicals that are formed during fermentation, some liquors have more of them than others. These congeners are widely responsible for headaches. Simple digest: The clearer your drinks, the less problems you will have the next morning. (Correct only for brandy. Non filtered beer for example can be very good, specially because they contain a large vitamin b complex, which is important to protect you from brain pickling)

For instance:
* Vodka has less congeners than gin.
* Most scotch whiskey has about four times more congeners than gin.
* Brandy, rum and single-malt scotch have about six times more than gin.
* Bourbon drinkers ingest eight times the amount of congeners as do gin drinkers, and 30 times as much as vodka.
* Red wine has more congeners than white wine does.

What causes hangovers?

Dehydration
Alcohol is a diuretic, ie a drug that increases urination and flushes fluids from the body. Drinking coffee the next morning only increases this problem as coffee is also a diuretic.

Mild poisons in the drink
Complex organic molecules such as methanol and acetone are found in some drinks and are said to be responsible for hangovers rather than ethanol (alcohol). This view is by researcher Dr Ian Calder of the London based National Hospital for Neurosurgery.

Which Alcohol is worse?
Brandy is worst for hangovers, then in descending order are: red wine, rum, whisky, white wine, gin and vodka. The British Medical Journal did tests that showed drinking bourbon whiskey is twice as likely to cause a hangover than the same amount of vodka.

Too much alcohol
Too much alcohol depletes the body of necessary substances required to stay healthy, these include blood sugar, vitamins and minerals.

Wine - a bad harvest
If you are drinking wine that comes from a country where a small change in the climate can make a big difference to the quality of wine, eg France, Germany, New Zealand, then in a bad season the wine contains many more substances that cause hangovers.

Wine - drinking it too young
Almost all red wines and chardonnay are matured in oak barrels so that they will keep and improve. If you drink this wine younger than three years there will be a higher level of nasties that can cause hangovers. If left to mature these nasties change to neutral substances and don't cause hangovers. As a rule of thumb wine stored in oak barrels for six months should be acceptable to drink within the first year. If the wine is stored for twelve months or more in oak barrels it should then be left for at least four years. Some winemakers have been known to add oak chips directly into the wine to enhance flavors, especially in a bad season, and this can take years to become neutral.

Parsley wrote: »

Depends on what you drink too! I find rum is very kind when it comes to hangovers

Rum is well known for this amongst distillers. I designed my own still and used to distil my own rum, a recognised test/verification that your still is running correctly is the lack of hangover! Rum is made from a sugar based brew which contains only bare traces of methanol when brewed. Cider is probably the worst for methanol content. Come vodkas are very pure e.g. skyy vodka, while some of the "scottish vodkas" or cheap irish ones are probably really the waste left over from whiskey distilling, so they can be even more loaded with congeners than the whiskey itself. In marketing ads they brag about carbon filtering, which is really admitting they made a ballls of the distillation and have to clean it up.

http://homedistiller.org/bad.htm

How to Avoid Hangovers

Try this, next time you have a "session".

For EVERY 50 ml of spirit at 40% alc/vol or equivalent, you drink (regardless of amount of ice, water or whatever added), drink 200 ml of water before AND another 200 ml after. Also refrain from overeating eight hours before, during, and eight hours after. Radical Stuff?? Well you may enjoy a "wee dram" instead of pain and suffering next day.

Now the next bit is as important as the water, as not only do they work in conjunction with each other, they also work independently. Take copius quantities of the Vitamin B Group, before, during and after the session. Why I hear you cry???

1. Alcohol depletes vitamin B group
2. B group is a major metaboliser of carbohydrates, protein and fats.
3. Lack of B group, glocose to the brain.
4. B group helps maintain fluid levels

Brewers yeast has B vitamins so drinking bottle conditioned beers (i.e. cloudy yeasty beers) might help. I do not agree with the noneating, I would include a upset stomach in my idea of a hangover, I find eating foods like beans or peas at night will give your stomach something to digest, instead of the stomach acid just eating your stomach lining. Also fatty foods seem to neutralise the acid & bile. Keep a 2L of water by the bed so if you are so bad you forget to drink you can wake up and not have to move far to get it, you can skull it and go back to sleep.

corkcomp

that last post should be stickied:D

edit: I just saw the bit about the "still" - legend:) Ive only seen a still once before, in the garage of an 80 something year old woman who looks like butter wouldnt melt:pac: used for potcheen :eek:

thirdmantackle

we should all move to belgium. drink as much as you want, with minimal headaches the next day. the beer is just that good

on another note, best place to buy RAM? cheapest?

corkcomp

thirdmantackle wrote: »

we should all move to belgium. drink as much as you want, with minimal headaches the next day. the beer is just that good

on another note, best place to buy RAM? cheapest?

you might be onto something there:D 10 pints in a busy city pub = very little hangover the next day where as 3 or 4 pints in a quiet pub where the barrel hasnt been changed in a week and tastes crap = major sore head the next day:(

BraziliaNZ

thirdmantackle wrote: »

we should all move to belgium. drink as much as you want, with minimal headaches the next day. the beer is just that good

on another note, best place to buy RAM? cheapest?

nonsense. I've heard this rubbish about Bavarian beers etc, drank myself silly many times down there, hangovers just as bad as ever. For every high there is a low.

discus

I'm telling yous lads. Go down to the Pharmacy. Ask for a sachet of Diaoralyte. Buy it, and leave it in the kitchen when ya go out. When ya come home, throw it into a glass of water, mix and drink. It's the *ahem* only solution...

Ciaran500

discus wrote: »

I'm telling yous lads. Go down to the Pharmacy. Ask for a sachet of Diaoralyte. Buy it, and leave it in the kitchen when ya go out. When ya come home, throw it into a glass of water, mix and drink. It's the *ahem* only solution...

Thats just sugar, sodium and potassium, which are all in RAM.

thirdmantackle

BraziliaNZ wrote: »

nonsense. I've heard this rubbish about Bavarian beers etc, drank myself silly many times down there, hangovers just as bad as ever. For every high there is a low.

since when is Bavaria in Belgium??
there are special laws in Belgium about what can be classified as beer etc - the quality of the product. Also, Luxembourg does lovely pilsner lager. you can drink crates of the stuff with little effects

corkcomp

I suppose we could summarise that the best hangover cure is not to drink?

brianthebard

thirdmantackle wrote: »

since when is Bavaria in Belgium??
there are special laws in Belgium about what can be classified as beer etc - the quality of the product.

Same rules apply in Germany, everyone knows about the purity laws, fact is if you drink too much you'll have a hangover.

corkcomp

brianthebard wrote: »

Same rules apply in Germany, everyone knows about the purity laws, fact is if you drink too much you'll have a hangover.

What he said .. unless you are one of the lucky few who rarely get hangovers:D (I dont like to brag:P:pac:)

brianthebard

corkcomp wrote: »

What he said .. unless you are one of the lucky few who rarely get hangovers:D (I dont like to brag:P:pac:)

That won't last, I promise you.

corkcomp

brianthebard wrote: »

That won't last, I promise you.

it could be starting to diminish already:eek:, no headaches but all the other symptoms:( the gym does help though, anyone else found that? Like on holidays, no gym work and metabolism slows down and alcohol effects are way worse

Sangre

corkcomp wrote: »

it could be starting to diminish already:eek:, no headaches but all the other symptoms:( the gym does help though, anyone else found that? Like on holidays, no gym work and metabolism slows down and alcohol effects are way worse

Nothing to do with the fact you go bananas on holiday?

corkcomp

Sangre wrote: »

Nothing to do with the fact you go bananas on holiday?

no

brianthebard

corkcomp wrote: »

it could be starting to diminish already:eek:, no headaches but all the other symptoms:( the gym does help though, anyone else found that? Like on holidays, no gym work and metabolism slows down and alcohol effects are way worse

You're probably sweating a lot more on holiday I imagine. I remember in first year I used to get away without a hangover, but those days are long gone for me.

rubadub

thirdmantackle wrote: »

there are special laws in Belgium about what can be classified as beer etc - the quality of the product.

I have heard of beer laws on what is classed as beer, but not the quality, have you any links to these?

The Reinheitsgebot is no longer a compulsory law
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reinheitsgebot

In May 1987, a European Court of Justice ruling led to the Reinheitsgebot being lifted, allowing ingredients beyond what is listed in the Biergesetz; this meant that anything allowed in other foods was thus also allowed in beer. The ingredient requirements have since been moved from the Biersteuergesetz into the regular food additives laws, though beer brewed according to the Reinheitsgebot receive special treatment as a protected, "traditional" food.

The vast majority of German breweries continue to comply with the Biergesetz, often claiming compliance with the Reinheitsgebot even when it is patently incorrect (for example, for wheat beers, which were prohibited by the Reinheitsgebot), using this compliance as a valuable marketing tool.

many breweries still use it and do not bother to advertise the fact. Complying with Reinheitsgebot is no guarantee of a quality beer. Many people blame additives for hangovers, but I do not believe it for a second, if this was the case eating a homebrew preservative pill should give you a wicked hangover, or any food with preservatives. Reinheitsgebot does mean the only fermentable is barley which is a step in the right direction. A professional beer taster told me budweiser use potato waste in the brew, the fact they use rice is well known, both rice & potatos will give rise to far more congeners than barley alone. Also budweiser's brew time is counted in hours, about 48hr IIRC, while other decent beers are brewed very slowly for weeks and matured after this. This fast brewing also gives rise to even more congeners, so the likes of budweiser should give rise to a double hit of congeners, while a decent aged beer like budvar will give rise to less.

Of course there are loads more factors, your hydration, if you have eaten, how fast you drink etc, but all things being equal, budweiser at the same % as budvar should give more hangovers based on just congeners.

brianthebard

rubadub wrote: »

Many people blame additives for hangovers, but I do not believe it for a second, if this was the case eating a homebrew preservative pill should give you a wicked hangover, or any food with preservatives.

Agree with everything you've said, but on this, I have noticed that if I avoid msg for a while (six-eight weeks) and then have a feed of pringles or something with it in the food I end up with a headache/hangover.

corkcomp

brianthebard wrote: »

Agree with everything you've said, but on this, I have noticed that if I avoid msg for a while (six-eight weeks) and then have a feed of pringles or something with it in the food I end up with a headache/hangover.

thats not surprising tbh. MSG is the devils own food. I can have pringles alright but some packet sauces / soups are a problem .. the most common symptom is a sore throat

edit: seeing as this thread is about alcohol, Pringles + budweiser FTW:o:pac:

rubadub

brianthebard wrote: »

I avoid msg for a while (six-eight weeks) and then have a feed of pringles or something with it in the food I end up with a headache/hangover.

Ah fair enough, I was thinking more of preservatives commonly used in beers which might be used in foods too. MSG is a flavour enhancer, hope it is not in any beers!

Its just common to hear people saying cheapo beers give hangovers due to preservatives when really its the fact they are brewed quick and with cheap ingredients like rice or potato waste. Its like lads feeling sick the next day after that infamous "dodgy burger" they washed down with a dozen pints

The alcohol is a preservative itself really so I doubt even the worst of beers use a lot of it.

brianthebard

rubadub wrote: »

Ah fair enough, I was thinking more of preservatives commonly used in beers which might be used in foods too. MSG is a flavour enhancer, hope it is not in any beers!

Its just common to hear people saying cheapo beers give hangovers due to preservatives when really its the fact they are brewed quick and with cheap ingredients like rice or potato waste. Its like lads feeling sick the next day after that infamous "dodgy burger" they washed down with a dozen pints

The alcohol is a preservative itself really so I doubt even the worst of beers use a lot of it.

I see what you're saying and you're definitely right that people underestimate the impact of the booze for various reasons and overestimate the effect of other factors. In a way those people who blame hangovers on preservatives are sort of right given alcohols preservative quality. Which brings us full circle I guess. :P

Chet Zar

brianthebard wrote: »

You're probably sweating a lot more on holiday I imagine. I remember in first year I used to get away without a hangover, but those days are long gone for me.

Being fit and training regularly is probably the best counter against the day after a night on the beer. I'm on the verge of 30 but feel wayyy less worse after a night out than I did when I was 20 or 21 and unfit. Back then I remember spending nearly entire days in bed after really late nights! I'd very often be completely, utterly shattered after a night out.

corkcomp

Chet Zar wrote: »

Being fit and training regularly is probably the best counter against the day after a night on the beer. I'm on the verge of 30 but feel wayyy less worse after a night out than I did when I was 20 or 21 and unfit. Back then I remember spending nearly entire days in bed after really late nights! I'd very often be completely, utterly shattered after a night out.

similar experience here

ragg

completely opposite here, when i was fat I never got a hangover - now I can't handle my drink anywhere near as well & I can't really function after a night on the beer