Old Bangers Re-appearing back on the Roads

argosy2006

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xqzzNvh8_34

i have one of these, its 3.0 twin over head cam 6 cyclinder .refined motor,, drinks petrol, huge tax,and it now has over 202,000 miles on it,
it has never needed a repair for an nct,, has always passed first time, after all these years,
thats quality you don't get today,
value is zero! i couldn't give it away, who would want it,,costs more to tax it for 3 months than its worth,
i have same tan leather,,and its not worn one bit after 15 years!!

fonecrusher1

I noticed in the big freeze a few months back it was mostly the owners of newer cars that were reporting car won't start!, car doesn't sound well, help! whats wrong with my car? my lovely new car has sh!t itself type threads.
Yet my old 1996 'banger' just carried on regardless with no problems whatsoever .:rolleyes:

L1011

VolvoMan wrote: »

which is evident in the amount of 90's Carina's you see compared to the likes of the E32 7 Series and larger engined 5 Series of that era.

How many people in Ireland could afford a 7 series or large engined 5 series back then? There were vastly more of the Carina's so it'd be safe to expect theres still a lot more...

fonecrusher1

Tail Wagger wrote: »

Or are all these old cars being bought up for the re-launch of the Scrapping car Deal's that are filtering through... What do you think

I think if you look down your nose at someone who doesn't drive a brand new car then it says an awful lot about the sort of person you are.;)

Some people just love their cars & don't regard them as fashion accessories that good gosh simply must be updated every year.:)

Anthony O Brien

VolvoMan wrote: »

I'd disagree. These are the cars that are more costly to run and as they get older people find it hard to justify big expenditure on them, such as road tax etc. As a result, they see the scrapyard a lot earlier than your typical mid range Japanese car, which is evident in the amount of 90's Carina's you see compared to the likes of the E32 7 Series and larger engined 5 Series of that era.

i agree, just took a 00 merc off the road because it would cost too much to put through the nct

Max_Damage

I've said this before & I'll say it again, the majority of the goons that live in this country are pathetic, having to buy new stuff just becuase it's new and shiney, and to 'keep up with the Jones' so to speak. Throwing away perfectly good older cars in the process.

This sort of pathetic behaviour isn't seen in the likes of France, Oz, USA, etc., where many owners still drive cars from the 90's, 80's, and even a few from the 70's (particularly in America).

I've had people actually laugh at me for having a 15 year old Ford Escort. Well I'll tell you something, I'll have the last laugh when it comes to servicing and repair bills, aswell as when they're in a mountain of debt becuase they can't pay for their 'shiney new car'!

Rant over.

Seweryn

daveharnett wrote: »

Big older cars are more costly to run than small older cars, but it's all relative.

Not all big cars are expensive to run (even if they are, they are still cheaper, as they do not depreciate their value).
At the moment I drive a 190D Mercedes-Benz (I know it is rather small car) and I believe that it is one of the cheapest cars to run with decent comfort. The service and parts cost pennies, no cam belt to change, fuel efficiency is almost 50 mpg on average, no depreciation and very high reliability.
My second car is a bigger one - a 124T 250TD Benz (1990) and it is almost as efficient on fuel as the Baby-Benz with great comfort and massive loading space.
These cars are usually serviced and maintained by their owners (a child can do it) and it makes them economical to run. No electronic nonsense and low service requirements helps to keep the cost down.

The Pontiac

Max_Damage wrote: »

This sort of pathetic behaviour isn't seen in the likes of France, Oz, USA, etc., where many owners still drive cars from the 90's, 80's, and even a few from the 70's (particularly in America).

The condition of these cars can be amazing too. Looking at some of the German cars you'd see here in the summer months, and they look brand new. Some of them 15 years old too and they look incredible.

Some people aren't interested in losing a few grand a year in depreciation, just to have a new reg. The celtic tiger years was the perfect example of this - when new cars in this country were outrageously priced (the dearest in Europe), but most people had to have a new or nearly new car for some bizarre reason. They'd point out to you all the 'advantages' of having a new car, but you just knew if was for status reasons and nothing else.

I bought a 00 Focus Ghia 1.6 h/b three years ago for €4,500. Repairs to date: coil pack at €130. If the car gave up on me tomorrow it'd have cost me only €1500 a year. I'm quite confident I'll get a good few years out of it yet. If I decided to sell it today I'd probably get €1500 for it, so it would have cost me only €1000 a year in depreciation.

unknownlegend

I drive a mid 90's jap car. Bulletproof reliability, i do the all the usual servicing myself every couple thousand miles or when needed cos there's no crazy electrics, and if there's anything i cant do my local indy mechanic will sort me out in no time. Any extra i pay in tax compared to a new 'green'/diesel machine, which isn't much, i save in depreciation as on the open market most people would consider my car close to worthless and not worth a second look! It serves me very well, and to appease the OP i haven't seen that many older cars on the road but i wouldn't mind seeing some, as they are cars with a bit more character in my opinion.

eamon234

Just because a car's old doesn't make it a 'Banger' that implies that there's something wrong with the car - it's quite obvious that if these cars are still on the road there can't be very much wrong with them. Older cars are easier to maintain. I've lost track of the number of people I've met over the last few years who had weird problems with new cars that no-one could fix or even diagnose. There's just way too much tech going into cars these days and it's getting worse.
I can't say I wouldn't like a new car but I can't afford it I'd rather spend the money on my family and home so if some dipsh1t wants to look down their nose at me because of that off with them!

corktina

after many years of having new cars, we changed our thinking a couple of years back and now run a 2000 escort which just got two years of NCT applied and a 2002 Fiesta which is good for a good few years use yet(plus a 1995 escort kept in the UK which has only 50000 miles up on it.

In addition just yesterday I used TWO of my 1973 cars in ordinary use (one for the school run and the other to go to the train station (round trip 25 miles).

You cant get cheaper legal motoring...my cars are perfectly reliable, provided you look after them and have an AA card "just in case" and are jsut as comfortable as plastic jelly mould new cars which can let you down in an instant if the computer just THINKS something might be wrong.

I Was VB

Well my 'fleet' currently consists of

1993 JDM Carina 212Klms and is still driving away nicely

1994 JDM Corona 370Klms is still working away

1996 Carina (my baby!!) 166K miles unfortunately it will be retired from service on monday when the thing below will take over its job, this car has been the best motor i've ever driven and worked, never let me down cost buttons, and can service it in my sleep!

2003 Avensis, i hate it.

If it werent for the TR bringing in the 9 year rule for taxis i would be quite happy to drive my Carina untill one of us drops, that why i'm gonna keep it as a second car.

VolvoMan

MYOB wrote: »

How many people in Ireland could afford a 7 series or large engined 5 series back then? There were vastly more of the Carina's so it'd be safe to expect theres still a lot more...

I was thinking of that point too before I posted.

Either way; big cars don't live a long life in our country, with many narrow minded reg snobs scrapping them when they need regular maintenance or simply a motor tax renewal.

VolvoMan

argosy2006 wrote: »

i have one of these, its 3.0 twin over head cam 6 cyclinder .refined motor,, drinks petrol, huge tax,and it now has over 202,000 miles on it,
it has never needed a repair for an nct,, has always passed first time, after all these years,
thats quality you don't get today,
value is zero! i couldn't give it away, who would want it,,costs more to tax it for 3 months than its worth,
i have same tan leather,,and its not worn one bit after 15 years!!

Come on, I need more details on it!:D

They were a very rare car over here in 3.0 litre, is it an Irish car?

fonecrusher1

Theres a guy lives down the road from me driving around in a blue 1992 323. I know that car was never exactly a head turner but the thing is spotless & i think its a cracking looking little motor.
He must wash & wax the thing every week because it really is immaculate.
I always take a good look at it when i pass. Tiz a lovely little thing.

BrianD3

Seems to be a bit of inverted snobbery in this thread. People who buy new cars are plebs, unlike those clever individuals in their 15 year old cars?

Actually people may not be as stupid as you think. New cars are far safer than many of the older cars listed in this thread. The idea that new cars are "weak plastic" while old ones are "tanks" is a complete myth. The opposite is the case. Personally I would not drive an unsafe car as my daily driver.

Service intervals are longer than the 5-6k miles common in the past. New cars have warranties up to 7 years. New cars are better than old equivalents in terms of refinement, equipment etc. Will often have better performance and economy too.

From my own experience, the newer the car design the more durable and reliable it is. It is true that problems with new cars can be expensive and difficult to pin down. The latter is the job of the motor trade and many in the trade seem incapable of doing their job. In a few years time, perhaps they will be up to speed with these new fangled computer things.

Finally, just because someone buys a new car doesn't mean that they are a plate snob or got themselves into debt so they could have a new plate. Many people don't actually give a sh1te about depreciation and have no interest in driving a 10 year old 7 series rather than their new Hyundai. That's their business.

kasper

BrianD3 wrote: »

Seems to be a bit of inverted snobbery in this thread. People who buy new cars are plebs, unlike those clever individuals in their 15 year old cars?

Actually people may not be as stupid as you think. New cars are far safer than many of the older cars listed in this thread. The idea that new cars are "weak plastic" while old ones are "tanks" is a complete myth. The opposite is the case. Personally I would not drive an unsafe car as my daily driver.

Service intervals are longer than the 5-6k miles common in the past. New cars have warranties up to 7 years. New cars are better than old equivalents in terms of refinement, equipment etc. Will often have better performance and economy too.

From my own experience, the newer the car design the more durable and reliable it is. It is true that problems with new cars can be expensive and difficult to pin down. The latter is the job of the motor trade and many in the trade seem incapable of doing their job. In a few years time, perhaps they will be up to speed with these new fangled computer things.

Finally, just because someone buys a new car doesn't mean that they are a plate snob or got themselves into debt so they could have a new plate. Many people don't actually give a sh1te about depreciation and have no interest in driving a 10 year old 7 series rather than their new Hyundai. That's their business.

the point in the original post was there were more bangers about now i for one dont believe there is ,just because something is old doesnt mean its a banger ,this thread has a good few replies from a lot of people except the op ,if he could get back with some statistical proof ?

Eutow

Tail Wagger wrote: »

Is it just the sign of the times, or are we gone back to the past? Have you noticed some of the old bangers re-appearing back on the Roads,

It's like back in the 80s with some of the heaps of Junk driving around.
Well I suppose they must be in good order if there driving, and I suppose the more up-to date models 08s 09s & 10s are not as plentiful, or does that depend on where you live?

Or are all these old cars being bought up for the re-launch of the Scrapping car Deal's that are filtering through... What do you think,...who knows?

I would disagree with this. Back in the 80's you would see cars without wings, and the bonnets and wings would have different colours to the rest of the car etc. Back then it was Triumph Dolomites, Datsun Cherry's, Lada's and Opel Kadett C's and most of them came in terrible colours such as brown and bright lime green.
Nothing like today. On my street there is a black Saab 900 Turbo convertible with black leather seats with an 89 Reg and it is immaculate. I would take this Saab over a new one because a Saab was a proper Saab back then, and not a clone of an Opel Vectra, which is what happened when GM took over. Hopefully that changes with Spyker as the new owners.
I would also take a BMW 8 series -(discontinued, I think, since 1999) over most new BMW's. The year shouldn't come into it if a car is looked after properly.

EPM

BrianD3 wrote: »

Seems to be a bit of inverted snobbery in this thread. People who buy new cars are plebs, unlike those clever individuals in their 15 year old cars?

Actually people may not be as stupid as you think. New cars are far safer than many of the older cars listed in this thread. The idea that new cars are "weak plastic" while old ones are "tanks" is a complete myth. The opposite is the case. Personally I would not drive an unsafe car as my daily driver.

Service intervals are longer than the 5-6k miles common in the past. New cars have warranties up to 7 years. New cars are better than old equivalents in terms of refinement, equipment etc. Will often have better performance and economy too.

From my own experience, the newer the car design the more durable and reliable it is. It is true that problems with new cars can be expensive and difficult to pin down. The latter is the job of the motor trade and many in the trade seem incapable of doing their job. In a few years time, perhaps they will be up to speed with these new fangled computer things.

Finally, just because someone buys a new car doesn't mean that they are a plate snob or got themselves into debt so they could have a new plate. Many people don't actually give a sh1te about depreciation and have no interest in driving a 10 year old 7 series rather than their new Hyundai. That's their business.

Agree 100%

I drive anything from 25-40k miles a year. I couldn't give a flying fcuk if a spend a few grand a year on depreciation. It's nice to know you're in a safer place. Plus the fact that it starts first turn of the key, even after 6 weeks parked up is nice to know. Not been totally reliable but never left me stranded. Anything that's needed doing I have been aware of with plenty notice

Anyone remember the Volvo Vs Modus test on 5th gear a few years back?

Big old "safe" car against a little supermini - I know which one I'd rather.

It is good to see older cars on the road, don't get me wrong. But as daily drivers there are better options

Our man in Havana

And that was a party policital broadcast on behalf of SIMI.

I Was VB

Bond-007 wrote: »

And that was a party policital broadcast on behalf of SIMI.

pburns

Wow, quite a few strong opinions in defence of older cars! I'm in two minds about this. I disagree with the scrappage scheme because it encourages the scrapping of perfecty serviceable cars which in the long run has a negative effect on both the economy and the environment (not that I am an economist or a tree-hugger). I agree that people in this country got far too swept up in buying the latest reg plate (I actually think we should have plates that make the year less distinguishable but that's a debate for another day).

If something was vaguely interesting or special when it was new it's well worth keeping on - I love a late 80s Saab or 190E for example. I could see the attraction of a 10 year old MX5 or Volvo estate.

However...

I agree wholeheartedly with Brian D3 about the HUGE amount of inverted snobbery evident in this thread. I know people enjoy 'bangernomicly' beating the system but I can't see any upside to smoking about in a mid-90's Escort or Corolla. Fair enough if you don't have the cash and well done for not stringing yourself up by the balls with a huge loan.

But if you do...well it's just miserable penny-pinching meaness. Seriously, if you care ANYTHING for cars lifes too short....

I Was VB

pburns wrote: »

Wow, quite a few strong opinions in defence of older cars! I'm in two minds about this. I disagree with the scrappage scheme because it encourages the scrapping of perfecty serviceable cars which in the long run has a negative effect on both the economy and the environment (not that I am an economist or a tree-hugger). I agree that people in this country got far too swept up in buying the latest reg plate (I actually think we should have plates that make the year less distinguishable but that's a debate for another day).

If something was vaguely interesting or special when it was new it's well worth keeping on - I love a late 80s Saab or 190E for example. I could see the attraction of a 10 year old MX5 or Volvo estate.

However...

I agree wholeheartedly with Brian D3 about the HUGE amount of inverted snobbery evident in this thread. I know people enjoy 'bangernomicly' beating the system but I can't see any upside to smoking about in a mid-90's Escort or Corolla. Fair enough if you don't have the cash and well done for not stringing yourself up by the balls with a huge loan.

But if you do...well it's just miserable penny-pinching meaness. Seriously, if you care ANYTHING for cars lifes too short....

Good post, but what can be done with the ones that see somthing special in a mid 90's Carina?

peasant

I Was VB wrote: »

Good post, but what can be done with the one s that sees somthing special in a mid 90's Carina?

FYP

...and nothing is the answer. You're a hopeless case anyway :P

fonecrusher1

EPM wrote: »

Agree 100%

I drive anything from 25-40k miles a year. I couldn't give a flying fcuk if a spend a few grand a year on depreciation. It's nice to know you're in a safer place. Plus the fact that it starts first turn of the key, even after 6 weeks parked up is nice to know. Not been totally reliable but never left me stranded. Anything that's needed doing I have been aware of with plenty notice

Anyone remember the Volvo Vs Modus test on 5th gear a few years back?

Big old "safe" car against a little supermini - I know which one I'd rather.

It is good to see older cars on the road, don't get me wrong. But as daily drivers there are better options

Yeah hold on a second the OP is entitled to his/her opinion but when you describe older cars as 'bangers' & 'junk' its just a little insulting those who don't own a new car.

If you can afford a new car or you're able to convince the bank manager to load more debt on your shoulders thats fair enough but don't scoff at people driving older cars like they're peasants.
Its a bit rude & will inevitably lead to similarly ignorant snap remarks.

Also it is often the case that people want the new car purely to maintain a particular image (like a jacket or a new phone) & fcuk all to do with them being a motor enthusiast.
I work with people who wouldn't know how to refill the window washer container in a car but they make sure they have the new astra/focus/golf every year without fail. Couldn't be seen in a year old car you see, not good for the image dear. :rolleyes:

pburns

pburns wrote: »

But if you do...well it's just miserable penny-pinching meaness. Seriously, if you care ANYTHING for cars lifes too short....

I am fortunate (debatable if it's fortunate to be honest, more to do with hard work and some savvy rather than fortune, but there are countless many wiser folk than me on the dole these days so I will use the fortunate tag) to earn quite a lot of cash and I drive cars that are worth sfa, and I do care for cars. Wouldn't call it miserable penny pinching, I fail to see how someone who doesn't want to shell out lots of their hard earned cash on a car can be considered such. Driving a new / modern €20000 snoremobile and having it serviced in the main stealer whenever necessary does not translate to caring for cars.

andr3w103

pburns wrote: »

I agree wholeheartedly with Brian D3 about the HUGE amount of inverted snobbery evident in this thread. I know people enjoy 'bangernomicly' beating the system but I can't see any upside to smoking about in a mid-90's Escort or Corolla. Fair enough if you don't have the cash and well done for not stringing yourself up by the balls with a huge loan.

But if you do...well it's just miserable penny-pinching meaness. Seriously, if you care ANYTHING for cars lifes too short....

some people just use cars for getting from A-B so whats the point in dishing out thousands every year on a new car? And if you did care ANYTHING for cars, surely you wouldnt be spending the thousands on a new ,basic car every year, but on a car that you liked (maby an older car) like i would rather spend 10000 on a late 80s/early 90s bmw e30 m3 than on a brand new heartless hyundai,kia etc.....shame i dont have any money tho
...i realise you wouldnt use such a car as a daily drive, but you could get a cheap 10 year old + car aswell

andr3w103

I Was VB wrote: »

Good post, but what can be done with the ones that see somthing special in a mid 90's Carina?

what is the obbession with carinas nowadays?...i get the comical value, but i know a load of people aswell who think that they are deaadly....i personally take them as ****e heaps

JimmyCrackCorn

I drive a 96 Honda accourd at the moment. 98k miles i bought for 500 euro.(another 400 in parts and a saturday)

It makes me happy that i bought and own the car for two months car payments (on my last car). I have zero debt on the car and i maintain it myself.

Last week i had the "pleasure" of driving a 1.25 zetec fiesta which is worth 10times the value of my car and it disgusted me it was a horrible thing to drive.


Moral of the story its not the year of the car its how it feels to drive.

JMSE

I drive a '95 fiesta with 70,500 miles only on the clock, great on juice. When that is out of tax, my 96 520 is goin back on for the summer, then the fiesta back again for the autumn...... I cant wait for the future.